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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 16:07:30 GMT -5
I just got my book today. I'm very excited to read it, so I hope it's good. I have avoided most of the spoilers for this book, so I have no idea what to really expect. I will be posting my thoughts as I go along, so there will be some spoilers.
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Post by Jaysnow on Sept 4, 2016 16:08:41 GMT -5
I haven't gotten mine yet. I only know one spoiler. I want it to stay that way.
But can you post the exclusive scene?
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Post by *Faith* on Sept 4, 2016 16:10:31 GMT -5
Did you get the Barnes and Noble version?
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Post by Jaysnow on Sept 4, 2016 16:14:06 GMT -5
Did you get the Barnes and Noble version? I'm not Twisterheart, but I think she did, because she said Barnes and Noble called her yesterday or something, but she couldn't get it because she was out of town. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 16:15:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I did. The exclusive scene is about Needlepaw. I will take pictures and post it. Hold on a sec
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Post by Jaysnow on Sept 4, 2016 16:15:55 GMT -5
Thank you!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 16:36:30 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 16:45:45 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 16:47:36 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 16:51:48 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 16:53:50 GMT -5
Okay, here I go to read. Be back later
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 4, 2016 17:11:05 GMT -5
Thanks, Twist! Hope you enjoy the book.  And wow... that's actually pretty sad that even Tawnypelt didn't think to look for her own apprentice and only Needlepaw was willing to give Tree a chance. They were quick to underestimate both of them and this has Needlepaw's later actions make a little more sense. ShadowClan were quick to underestimate her and even her own family and mentor assumed she was dead, so she wants to prove them wrong and it also explains her resentment towards her Clan. But, of course, she's going about things the wrong way. |
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Post by Ligerfrost on Sept 4, 2016 17:54:30 GMT -5
I got a little choked up. My own cat survived being picked up by an Owl when she was a kitten. Man I miss my cat. She died of Old age...or a broken heart I'm not sure which.
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Post by Ligerfrost on Sept 4, 2016 18:02:26 GMT -5
Well that at least is a start to why Needletail holds some resentment for her Clan but honestly I fell like even that is pushing it.
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Post by *Faith* on Sept 4, 2016 18:38:12 GMT -5
Thanks, Twister!
And Needlepaw was taken by an owl? I remember when she told Violetkit that she could fight off an owl. That takes a little bit of a darker turn...
And everyone was so quick to assume that she was dead. Even her mentor and parents. I feel really bad for Needletail now. :c
On a side note, I really liked Tree. I feel bad for him as well. And I remember that Alderpaw thought at one point how a mother would never leave her kits. Tree's mother left him. Didn't even tell him she was going. And to take his sister as well, leaving him all alone. Poor thing. :c
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Post by Jumpwhisker on Sept 4, 2016 18:53:40 GMT -5
Aww... I feel bad for both Needlepaw and Tree.
I hope Tree comes back later in the series, although that's probably very unlikely to happen.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 4, 2016 18:59:09 GMT -5
While Needlepaw is cute in this scene, it doesn't exactly excuse her actions to me. You can rise from stuff like that in better ways.
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Sept 4, 2016 20:45:51 GMT -5
Honestly everyone's crying about how she's not handling this the right way and blah blah blah, but she can't be perfect, guys. She's frustrated and angry, not flawless. Her making the decision she did makes her more real in my eyes. She's not some goody-two-shoes like Firestar or some stupidly ignorant cat. Yes, perhaps what she's doing isn't "right", but instead of always labeling these cats as just good or bad, perhaps we need to take a bit of a closer look. Yes, she left her Clan for the enemy, but so did Tawnypaw way back in The Darkest Hour. If she feels that she belongs there, then that doesn't automatically make her a bad cat. A cat is not good simply because they've never killed someone as a last resort, just like a cat isn't automatically bad for trying to escape a place where they're unhappy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 20:48:56 GMT -5
I'm on chapter six. I would have read more but I stopped because I got a headache and then my internet went out so I couldn't post my thoughts. I really enjoy things so far. But man, these ShadowClan apprentices are something else. They're all so rude, especially Sleekpaw! I'm also really annoyed that Needlepaw has befriended Darktail, but I can't say I'm surprised. But the fact she's trying to get Violetkit to side with him too by guilt tripping her... I always knew Needlepaw would be a bad influence for her the moment they started hanging out. Needlepaw is a very naive character, honestly. She thinks Darktail and his rogues deserve land because they're all "just cats" like ShadowClan, but there's more to it than that. She and Sleekpaw are honestly traitors to their Clans in my opinion.
The name Whorlkit is odd looking to me. I don't think it's a bad name, but it's just a weird word to look at.
I also noticed two errors so far. Tawnypelt was referred to as deputy once, and then Roach was first introduced as a tom, but was changed to a she-cat a few paragraphs later.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 4, 2016 21:11:29 GMT -5
Honestly everyone's crying about how she's not handling this the right way and blah blah blah, but she can't be perfect, guys. She's frustrated and angry, not flawless. Her making the decision she did makes her more real in my eyes. She's not some goody-two-shoes like Firestar or some stupidly ignorant cat. Yes, perhaps what she's doing isn't "right", but instead of always labeling these cats as just good or bad, perhaps we need to take a bit of a closer look. Yes, she left her Clan for the enemy, but so did Tawnypaw way back in The Darkest Hour. If she feels that she belongs there, then that doesn't automatically make her a bad cat. A cat is not good simply because they've never killed someone as a last resort, just like a cat isn't automatically bad for trying to escape a place where they're unhappy. You're right about that and I do agree with this, but I think what's gotten people upset is that she's apparantly held this resentment for moons and hasn't moved on from it (not that I really blame her) in which it's gotten to the point where she is extremely disrespectful towards her Clanmates (who seem to be just at fault for the behavior of the other apprentices as well, honestly), is shown to be manipulative, and showed satisfaction when Darktail attacked Rowanstar.
That said, I actually like Needletail like this. It adds to her character and shows there's alot more to her than what we see on the surface. Even in TAQ it's been implied that she's lonely. I like characters like this, those who have a gray-and-gray morality rather than just being black-and-white.
However, the fact still remains that Needletail isn't exactly a very pleasant cat and still betrayed her Clan to join the enemy. Tawnypelt did a very similar thing yes, and for similar reasons since both cats wanted respect from their Clanmates, but Tawnypelt at least tried to be pleasant and it seems like Needletail's reasons for betraying her Clan go a little further than just wanting respect. |
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 4, 2016 21:21:39 GMT -5
Honestly everyone's crying about how she's not handling this the right way and blah blah blah, but she can't be perfect, guys. She's frustrated and angry, not flawless. Her making the decision she did makes her more real in my eyes. She's not some goody-two-shoes like Firestar or some stupidly ignorant cat. Yes, perhaps what she's doing isn't "right", but instead of always labeling these cats as just good or bad, perhaps we need to take a bit of a closer look. Yes, she left her Clan for the enemy, but so did Tawnypaw way back in The Darkest Hour. If she feels that she belongs there, then that doesn't automatically make her a bad cat. A cat is not good simply because they've never killed someone as a last resort, just like a cat isn't automatically bad for trying to escape a place where they're unhappy. You're right about that and I do agree with this, but I think what's gotten people upset is that she's apparantly held this resentment for moons and hasn't moved on from it (not that I really blame her) in which it's gotten to the point where she is extremely disrespectful towards her Clanmates (who seem to be just at fault for the behavior of the other apprentices as well, honestly), is shown to be manipulative, and showed satisfaction when Darktail attacked Rowanstar.
That said, I actually like Needletail like this. It adds to her character and shows there's alot more to her than what we see on the surface. Even in TAQ it's been implied that she's lonely. I like characters like this, those who have a gray-and-gray morality rather than just being black-and-white.
However, the fact still remains that Needletail isn't exactly a very pleasant cat and still betrayed her Clan to join the enemy. Tawnypelt did a very similar thing yes, and for similar reasons since both cats wanted respect from their Clanmates, but Tawnypelt at least tried to be pleasant and it seems like Needletail's reasons for betraying her Clan go a little further than just wanting respect. But it doesn't give her an excuse. I personally don't like how Tawny left and it is why she's neutral for me. The fact she tried to pleasant made up for it. Needlepaw has no regard for the code, either and disrespects many ego are also not in her Clan. She only wants to be special and will hurt anyone to do it. This doesn't excuse her of you also take into consideration that she was fairly young when this happened and it's partially understandable that they didn't look for her. |
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Sept 4, 2016 21:27:02 GMT -5
Honestly everyone's crying about how she's not handling this the right way and blah blah blah, but she can't be perfect, guys. She's frustrated and angry, not flawless. Her making the decision she did makes her more real in my eyes. She's not some goody-two-shoes like Firestar or some stupidly ignorant cat. Yes, perhaps what she's doing isn't "right", but instead of always labeling these cats as just good or bad, perhaps we need to take a bit of a closer look. Yes, she left her Clan for the enemy, but so did Tawnypaw way back in The Darkest Hour. If she feels that she belongs there, then that doesn't automatically make her a bad cat. A cat is not good simply because they've never killed someone as a last resort, just like a cat isn't automatically bad for trying to escape a place where they're unhappy. You're right about that and I do agree with this, but I think what's gotten people upset is that she's apparantly held this resentment for moons and hasn't moved on from it (not that I really blame her) in which it's gotten to the point where she is extremely disrespectful towards her Clanmates (who seem to be just at fault for the behavior of the other apprentices as well, honestly), is shown to be manipulative, and showed satisfaction when Darktail attacked Rowanstar.
That said, I actually like Needletail like this. It adds to her character and shows there's alot more to her than what we see on the surface. Even in TAQ it's been implied that she's lonely. I like characters like this, those who have a gray-and-gray morality rather than just being black-and-white.
However, the fact still remains that Needletail isn't exactly a very pleasant cat and still betrayed her Clan to join the enemy. Tawnypelt did a very similar thing yes, and for similar reasons since both cats wanted respect from their Clanmates, but Tawnypelt at least tried to be pleasant and it seems like Needletail's reasons for betraying her Clan go a little further than just wanting respect. I agree. Personally, I think there are more reasons for her resentment than that one event. I think that event made her open her eyes a bit to the real nature of her Clanmates. I think, along with wanting to feel needed and respected, she wants to prove to her Clan that it isn't just their way or the highway. In my opinion, she wants to prove that non-Clan cats can be just as strong and formidable than the Clan cats, something that is rooted in their quick rejection of Tree way back when. The ShadowClan cats are likely afraid of being accused of hypocrisy by accepting Tree, as along with WindClan they've been very vocal about ThunderClan's opennes in regards to outsiders. While that gives a reason for their treatment of Tree, it doesn't fully justify it, especially since Tawnypelt was once an outsider and should know better. Perhaps Needletail is using Darktail just as much as he's using her. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 23:14:38 GMT -5
My thoughts on the book so far...
All of the apprentices (excluding Birchpaw and Lionpaw, who haven't appeared much) all the ShadowClan warrior apprentices are just straight up awful. I can't stand a single one of them, with Sleekpaw being the worst of the bunch. None of them have any reason to behave the way that they do. They're just being rebellious little punks who want to run things their way. That's literally the only reason they're acting out, is because they want things to go back to how they were during Brokenstar's reign. They think being nice is for kittypets and ThunderClan, so they neglect their duties and run wild, and then have the nerve to say the older cats don't respect them. The elders have no reason to respect them the way they act!
Also there are lots of mentions of cats being taken by owls. I don't know if this is foreshadowing or what, but it has been mentioned like twenty or more times.
I also really like Twigkit, but Violetkit is starting to get on my annoyed side. She can't help it though. She's under a bad influence which would have never happened if Needlepaw would have just left her alone. I feel like Violetkit is going to end up just like Needlepaw... :/
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Post by Amber on Sept 4, 2016 23:25:43 GMT -5
My thoughts on the book so far... All of the apprentices (excluding Birchpaw and Lionpaw, who haven't appeared much) all the ShadowClan warrior apprentices are just straight up awful. I can't stand a single one of them, with Sleekpaw being the worst of the bunch. None of them have any reason to behave the way that they do. They're just being rebellious little punks who want to run things their way. That's literally the only reason they're acting out, is because they want things to go back to how they were during Brokenstar's reign. They think being nice is for kittypets and ThunderClan, so they neglect their duties and run wild, and then have the nerve to say the older cats don't respect them. The elders have no reason to respect them the way they act! Also there are lots of mentions of cats being taken by owls. I don't know if this is foreshadowing or what, but it has been mentioned like twenty or more times. I also really like Twigkit, but Violetkit is starting to get on my annoyed side. She can't help it though. She's under a bad influence which would have never happened if Needlepaw would have just left her alone. I feel like Violetkit is going to end up just like Needlepaw... :/ What I'd like to know is why none of the apprentices haven't been punished. I haven't read the book, but form what I've read, these apprentices are acting like stereotypical, rebellious teenagers whose parents ignored them. I mean really, cats like Tawnypelt haven't put them in their place? This plot point seems juts forced and it makes it worst if they don't have a reason for it. Seriously, no one has put them in their place? That just seems painfully unrealistic if you ask me. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 23:27:01 GMT -5
Also, Jayfeather is getting a lot like Crowfeather in my opinion. I guess they've always been similar, but this one scene in particular reminded me a lot of Crowfeather. Jayfeather praises Puddlepaw for being a quick learner, before turning around and immediately scolding again Alderpaw for a mistake he had made a while back. It made me think of the time Crowfeather praised Lionblaze for a catch he made, while completely ignoring Breezepelt.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 4, 2016 23:29:06 GMT -5
Also, Jayfeather is getting a lot like Crowfeather in my opinion. I guess they've always been similar, but this one scene in particular reminded me a lot of Crowfeather. Jayfeather praises Puddlepaw for being a quick learner, before turning around and immediately scolding again Alderpaw for a mistake he had made a while back. It made me think of the time Crowfeather praised Lionblaze for a catch he made, while completely ignoring Breezepelt. Huh! Like father, like son, I guess. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 23:31:32 GMT -5
My thoughts on the book so far... All of the apprentices (excluding Birchpaw and Lionpaw, who haven't appeared much) all the ShadowClan warrior apprentices are just straight up awful. I can't stand a single one of them, with Sleekpaw being the worst of the bunch. None of them have any reason to behave the way that they do. They're just being rebellious little punks who want to run things their way. That's literally the only reason they're acting out, is because they want things to go back to how they were during Brokenstar's reign. They think being nice is for kittypets and ThunderClan, so they neglect their duties and run wild, and then have the nerve to say the older cats don't respect them. The elders have no reason to respect them the way they act! Also there are lots of mentions of cats being taken by owls. I don't know if this is foreshadowing or what, but it has been mentioned like twenty or more times. I also really like Twigkit, but Violetkit is starting to get on my annoyed side. She can't help it though. She's under a bad influence which would have never happened if Needlepaw would have just left her alone. I feel like Violetkit is going to end up just like Needlepaw... :/ What I'd like to know is why none of the apprentices haven't been punished. I haven't read the book, but form what I've read, these apprentices are acting like stereotypical, rebellious teenagers whose parents ignored them. I mean really, cats like Tawnypelt haven't put them in their place? This plot point seems juts forced and it makes it worst if they don't have a reason for it. Seriously, no one has put them in their place? That just seems painfully unrealistic if you ask me. They've tried, but the apprentices literally don't care. There was one big scene where Rowanstar, Tawnypelt, Crowfrost, Dawnpelt, Snowbird, Stonewing, Kinkfur, Oakfur and a few of the older warriors scolded the apprentices for their behavior and attempted to punish them, but they didn't give a single care. They just continued to back talk, insult StarClan as well as their parents and mentors because they just gave up caring about the rules. Even after being punished, Needlepaw broke the rules by sending Violetkit out to meet with Rain, because she cared more about Rain liking her than her Clan. But so far their only reasoning is that ShadowClan is "weak" because they follow the rules. The apprentices basically want to abolish the warrior code and run around like rogues, because they think it makes them empowered and strong. Pretty much just how things were during Brokenstar's reign. |
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Post by Amber on Sept 4, 2016 23:37:06 GMT -5
What I'd like to know is why none of the apprentices haven't been punished. I haven't read the book, but form what I've read, these apprentices are acting like stereotypical, rebellious teenagers whose parents ignored them. I mean really, cats like Tawnypelt haven't put them in their place? This plot point seems juts forced and it makes it worst if they don't have a reason for it. Seriously, no one has put them in their place? That just seems painfully unrealistic if you ask me. They've tried, but the apprentices literally don't care. There was one big scene where Rowanstar, Tawnypelt, Crowfrost, Dawnpelt, Snowbird, Stonewing, Kinkfur, Oakfur and a few of the older warriors scolded the apprentices for their behavior and attempted to punish them, but they didn't give a single care. They just continued to back talk, insult StarClan as well as their parents and mentors because they just gave up caring about the rules. Even after being punished, Needlepaw broke the rules by sending Violetkit out to meet with Rain, because she cared more about Rain liking her than her Clan. But so far their only reasoning is that ShadowClan is "weak" because they follow the rules. The apprentices basically want to abolish the warrior code and run around like rogues, because they think it makes them empowered and strong. Pretty much just how things were during Brokenstar's reign. That is very stupid and I dislike that idea. But, at least it's original. Do you remember how they were punished? Was it something like they had to hunt/take care of the elders or was it more along the lines of no gathering? |
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