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Post by Hollyfall on Oct 18, 2022 1:06:39 GMT -5
ngl i checked twitter and tumblr i love seeing the chaos that has ensued as of this thread. it brings me joy Chapter 13: Sunbeam (part of it anyways, the rest will be tomorrow) Sunbeam thinks this is an unsually large gathering, and how she'd been avoiding Berryheart since the "Clan-swapper" meaning. Her spirits lift as soon as Nightheart pushes through the crowd. They greet each other, and Sunbeam confirms Nightheart's suspicions that the gathering is because Rowankit died. She then asks how he's fitting in back in ThunderClan. He admits it's okay, some cats seem to respect him more but feels there's something wrong with Bramblestar. Before he can finish though, a snarl comes from the great oak. She jerks her head and sees Leafstar and Tigerstar snarling at Owlnose, who is now awkwardly sitting on one of the lower branches. Harestar growls at him, while Bramblestar blinks in surprise.
Sunbeam hisses he can't do that. Nightheart grumbles that he was probably dared to do it. Leafstar hisses that Owlnose is lost. Owlnose blinks at her, clearly afraid, and says he isn't. Harestar demands to know why he's up with them and Tigerstar asks where Mistystar is. Owlnose opens his mouth, but he's clearly too intimidated to talk. Tigerstar glares harder and asks what is even happening in RiverClan, shooting glares between Owlnose and Mothwing, and says they've been acting strange for a whole moon. Mothwing pushes her way through the crowd and insists he belongs up there, as Mistystar is dead. Sunbeam is surprised, as she thought Mistystar had whitecough.
Tigerstar's spine fur begins to bristle in anger, asking if her whitecough turned to greencough, and then snarls it was never mentioned to anyone. He then asks why Reedwhisker (correcting himself to Reedstar) isn't up there instead. Mothwing says Reedwhisker is dead too. Murmurs of shock and surprise ripple through the Clans. Mothwing glares up at the leaders with determination. She meows that Owlstar is their leader now. It's been difficult for them, but they're doing their best. She then points at Splashtail and says he's their new deputy. At this moment, Splashtail awkwardly bows his head. He's sitting beside Hawkwing and Cloverfoot, who notice him and jerk away with shock.
Tigerstar just stares in disbelief, asking how this even happened and how bad their outbreak is. Mothwing says to ask their leader, pointing at Owlstar. Harestar, boggled, asks why Owlstar is leader considering they have other experienced warriors. Leafstar's gaze is fixed on Splashtail with fury and bewilderment, remarking Splashtail's hardly out of aprenticeship as it is.
Spireclaw asks when Mistystar died, and he's followed by several other questions about RiverClan. Owlstar stares blankly at them all. Mothwing yowls that he'll answer their questions. Owlstar then blinks, then huskily mews that Mistystar died a moon ago. Leafstar watches him, and then seemingly realizes how out of his element he is. Softening her tone, she asks what happened. Owlstar mews greencough. Tigerstar snarls that if that's true, then they kept a greencough infection hidden from the Clans. Tawnypelt then hollers that when she was there earlier, they acted like nothing was wrong. Tigerstar stares down Owlstar, and asks why they didn't bother to help find catmint if both their leader and deputy had it. Owlstar shifts his paws uneasily.
Harestar, finally closing his gaping mouth, bellows that he's more interested in why inexperienced warriors have replaced Mistystar and Reedwhisker, making Splashtail bristle. Sunbeam then notices Owlstar keeps catching Mothwing's look before speaking. Nightheart sees it too, and comments that it's easy to see who's truly in charge of RiverClan.
Mothwing gives Owlstar a tiny nod, and Owlstar mews that Reedwhisker named him deputy before he died. Crowfeather, showing no attempt to hide his disgust, asks why Owlstar. Tigerstar asks why Reedwhisker, not Reedstar. Owlstar, alarmed, quickly says he's just used to calling him that, and assures he became Reedstar. Tigerstar and Leafstar aren't buying it though, and Leafstar asks if the greencough killed Reedstar nine times. Owlstar mews that it was really bad, which Tigerstar snorts at. Owlstar begins to panic and stammers that "He...kind of...died...and didn't come back to life. So we figured StarClan took the lives back...maybe? Maybe because...he supported the imposter...?" Owlstar's gaze darts to Mothwing, as if he expected her to save him from the interrogation. Tigerstar flicks his tail and bluntly asks if Reedstar had nine lives or not. Owlstar hesitates, and Tigerstar presses him for an answer. Owlstar blinks, says he thinks so, but this just leads to more questions among the Clans.
Owlstar tries to answer them all "Not long...a quarter moon ago...not straight away, but..."
Tigerstar is simply staring at him with the most flabbergasted expression on his face. "So, Reedstar became sick with greencough, sick enough to die, but still managed to make it to the Moonpool for his nine lives, but then StarClan them all back the first time he died?"
Owlstar stammers he guesses so. Tigerstar reiterates the words in disbelief. Sunbeam and Nightheart comment that RiverClan cats are bad at running their camp. Mothwing then yowls that they didn't come here for Tigerstar's approval nor his permission, only to explain what happened to Mistystar and Reedwhisker, and Owlnose doesn't need to be interrogated by the likes of other Clans.
Leafstar hisses that she called Owlstar Owlnose, and Tigerstar glares at her and says she also said Reedwhisker. Leafstar turns to Owlstar, and asks if he or Reedwhisker even got their nine lives. Before Owlstar can answer, Tigerstar announces that RiverClan sent a patrol looking for Reedwhisker around a moon ago. Harestar's eyes widen, and says the same thing happened to WindClan. Squirrelflight and Leafstar also say the same. Tigerstar is now ignoring Owlstar, glaring at Mothwing, and asks if Reedwhisker was ever found. Mothwing stammers for an answer, but Tigerstar presses on. He asks if they even know what happened to Reedwhisker, and he thinks they're all hiding something. Owlstar croaks in disbelief, and slumps his shoulders. He weakly mews "I don't have my nine lives. Neither did Reedwhisker. There wasn't time. But I am RiverClan's leader. It's just that when I went to the Moonpool, StarClan didn't share with me."
Leafstar grunts that then he's Owlnose, not Owlstar, and asks who chose him. Mothwing snarls StarClan did. Tigerstar doesn't believe her, and asks Leafstar's question. Mothwing says Frostpaw did. Leafstar isn't impressed, but Mothwing says she trusts Frostpaw. Tigerstar stiffens on the branch, muttering such an event is highly irregular, and if Owlnose isn't able to get his lives, but is then cut off by Mothwing who says it's between Owlnose and StarClan. Narrowing his eyes, Tigerstar says surely if Owlnose was the right choice, he would have gotten a sign. Mothwing begins to argue, but Tigerstar says both him and StarClan have their doubts. Mothwing hisses that it's not his business to interfere. Tigerstar snarls that it very much is, as a weak Clan is always his business.
Mothwing begins to argue again, but he reminds her that he took in her, Icewing, and Harelight when Mistystar exiled them, and surely Mothwing would know that the business of one Clan affects the others. Sunbeam begins to hear the edge of a threat in Tigerstar's voice as he reminds everyone with what happened with Ashfur and how everyone got involved in ThunderClan drama.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Oct 18, 2022 1:15:17 GMT -5
Again, poor Owlnose! Also, I've been so annoyed with Nightheart and a little bit with Sunbeam that I completely forgot the other Clans didn't know about Mistystar and Reedwhisker yet! No wonder Leafstar was annoyed, I was worried about my favorite girl there for a sec! That said, wow, talk about harsh! I really hope Owlnose gets to step down by the end of the next book.
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Post by angyfrog on Oct 18, 2022 1:18:36 GMT -5
Hot damn yall, chill I get the whole greencough issue is serious but why press RiverClan so harshly for having potentially inexperienced cats in charge, not as you'd know anyhow, Tigerstar also should backup his bus I get his son just died from greencough but I doubt it specifically came from RC
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Post by Hollyfall on Oct 18, 2022 1:23:27 GMT -5
Hot damn yall, chill I get the whole greencough issue is serious but why press RiverClan so harshly for having potentially inexperienced cats in charge, not as you'd know anyhow, Tigerstar also should backup his bus I get his son just died from greencough but I doubt it specifically came from RC he gets progressively worse throughout the book and he's arguably at his all time-worst at the end imo
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Post by angyfrog on Oct 18, 2022 1:26:57 GMT -5
Hot damn yall, chill I get the whole greencough issue is serious but why press RiverClan so harshly for having potentially inexperienced cats in charge, not as you'd know anyhow, Tigerstar also should backup his bus I get his son just died from greencough but I doubt it specifically came from RC he gets progressively worse throughout the book and he's arguably at his all time-worst at the end imo I get it's more than likely caused by grief, as when it came to Rowan's death Tiger is surprisingly more emotional about the whole ordeal than Dove or Tawny, that's not to say they don't care they definitely did, but it's interesting to see a tom love his children, not that it isn't anything new by any means but with it being a person in great power you're asking for some good conflict
Even if he's gonna be a complete butt about it lmao
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Post by tybaxel on Oct 18, 2022 1:32:20 GMT -5
i'm kind of relieved that riverclan's secret is out there now. i feel so terrible for owlnose, i really hope he gets to step down or something.
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Post by angyfrog on Oct 18, 2022 1:35:13 GMT -5
i'm kind of relieved that riverclan's secret is out there now. i feel so terrible for owlnose, i really hope he gets to step down or something. Honestly, I would too, I get leader business is pretty serious but I don't get why the other leaders outside of Tigerstar were being all hissy and growly about it, Leaf and Hare need to chill
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Post by โ
Maplefrostโ
on Oct 18, 2022 1:40:32 GMT -5
Chapter 4: Not much here, but I feel bad for Fringe, I'm not really caring about Tigertwo's side of things but I do sympathize with Fringewhisker. Also Frostpaw is definitely going through it, and it sucks that no clan can spare catmint.
Chapter 5: I'm a bit disappointed in Flip and Thrift here, I get trying to lighten the mood, but being the butt of a joke isn't fun. I think it's interesting to know that Bramble doesn't sleep in his den anymore cause of the darkness, PTSD from the previous arc, poor thing. It baffles me that characters seem to forget that prey is still dangerous, has no one learned from Longtail, or?
I feel like people forget that it's been two books now of other characters hammering Nightheart with criticism, or just blatantly isolating him, and he's only been a warrior for a few days. If I were in his shoes I'd be at my wits end too. Him lashing out is painfully realistic imo. But I'm glad he at least calmed down and saw that Alderheart genuinely seems to care about him.
Oh that's sweet, I like how Bramblestar has a soft spot for Nightheart as well, I wish they had more moments together, but it's kinda heartwarming to know that he likes him for him and not as an image of Firestar.
Chapter 6: Alderheart and Jayfeather are very sweet, their family bond means a lot to me, I think it's why I like Alder even more, despite my growing dislike for Jay, lol.
The scene with Frostpaw finding comfort in Curlfeather hurt honestly. I bet she hasn't felt that relieved in a while. I feel a bit more invested in Frostpaw, but I do wish she had more of a personality at this point, so far she's mostly revolving around the clan's situation. So she hasn't had much time to grow as her own character. But I am curious as to what Curlfeather's words mean, looking beyond obvious choices and whatnot. That's a lot of responsibility. Seems to be the theme of these three protags.
Chapter 7: Lightleap is still annoying. Also lol I guess this means Nightheart is canonly goodlooking like Firestar I guess?? Also yikes...the deadnaming...I was guessing it was gonna happen eventually. Rootspring being notably desensitized by certain things, like the ThunderPath, because of what he experienced in the Dark Forest is interesting. I think Ivypool was noted to have a similarity to that as well. Also Rootspring talking about Bristlefrost broke my heart, sigh. He still loves her.
Lightleap being annoying aside, I actually found the moment between Nightheart and Sunbeam to be quite touching tbh. Not in a shipping way, but like in a down to Earth chill way. So far I think I really like how realistic both of these characters are being written when it comes to their emotions. They're confused but they react differently. Nightheart gets defensive and lashes out, while Sunbeam gets irritated and isolates herself. Right now both of their clans are just overbearing. I wonder if there's a chance they both join RiverClan?
Chapter 8: Lightleap is a weirdo for flirting with Nightheart...what the heck... And now she's being reckless yet again. The kitten sounds cute, and the mother seems kind if she let them have catmint. Honestly NightSun isn't too bad, I like the idea of it, but there's still some stuff that needs to be dealt with first. Like Sunbeam's unresolved confused feelings with Blazefire (and I guess Lightleap ugh). And I don't know if Nightheart will join another Clan because of love, since he does ask if it's possible to switch clans for other reasons? So who knows.
Chapter 9: Owlnose is an interesting choice. He's fumbling, but at least he's notably getting used to his job I think? Nevermind...he's not doing to well. And now everyone is criticizing him, poor thing. Duskfur is kinda...manipulative...in a way...don't know how to put my finger on it. But she kinda is.
Chapter 10: Color me surprised, they actually killed a DoveTiger kit, lol. It does suck it was the one named after Rowanstar, if it was the other one I wouldn't have cared at all. Berryheart needs to lay off, seriously. Makes me wonder if she's remembering how WindClan didn't help before with the sickness and Kin situation. At least we know who Berryheart's followers are now, but I do find it interesting that Scorchfur isn't there? But Snowbird is. Yikes. I wonder if he'll be sitting in the den, flicking the lamp light on, when she tries to sneak back in. Where were you all night Snowbird? LOL
Chapter 11: Ah...that was kinda painful to read through, even for just a summary. It's obviously Nightheart felt a bit uneasy and unsure on how to go about the conversation with Bramblestar. While Bramblestar is not thinking clearly, and seems to be having some memory issues, I'm guessing it's dementia? And both of them suffer from PTSD. Nightheart feeling guilty over hurting Bramblestar but then unconsciously afraid when he yells at him, I feel bad for both of them in this situation. I don't think Bramblestar has much left, I wonder how many lives he has? Also the fact that Brashfur tortured Nightheart, most likely because Sparkpelt and Finchlight left, sucks...sigh.
Chapter 12: A leader not receiving lives from StarClan hasn't happened in the main series in a while. It's interesting, but I do feel bad for Owlnose, I don't think anyone would want to be in that type of situation. Frostpaw questioning her judgement now is interesting, and Duskfur being the reason why as well. Minnowtail isn't wrong, having two inexperienced cats in charge isn't good but... Call me a bit crazy but I want to have some hope for Owlnose...
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Post by ~ฦฮฑะผะผฮน-`แฆยด- on Oct 18, 2022 1:49:38 GMT -5
All these nepotistic manipulative drama queens yโall. Tigercrap continues to prove himself undeserving of power by trying to throw his weight around and letting his personal emotions influence the measures he takes, and Lightleapโฆ dear god she is truly her daddyโs spoiled wittle pwincess, so insufferable I legit wouldnโt be surprised at all if it turns out sheโs trying to aggravate Sunbeam on purpose. summary: vry raeg towards ShCโs corrupt โroyal familyโ this book e.e
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Post by โ
Maplefrostโ
on Oct 18, 2022 1:59:25 GMT -5
Chapter 13 (Thoughts so far): I'm like highkey kinda uncomfortable at finding out Lightleap got with Blazefire (even more so since she was flirting with Nightheart a bit). Like it's weird. And now makes me wonder if they lied about their relationship after all, which is so messed up... Sunbeam deserved better.
Owlnose really is between a rock and a hard place right now. I want him to succeed, but I don't think it'll get better for him now, especially because the secret is out now. Also Tigertwo once again showing he's truly more like the cat he's named after, wouldn't be surprised if he takes over RiverClan and tries to "justify" it or something later.
As for Nightheart, no offense, but I kinda feel like Nightheart's feelings are still justified. It's like suddenly people are forgetting the amount of crud he had to go through in the first book. And now his family is just blatantly isolating and neglecting him. While the rest of his clan is still shoving Firestar's legacy in his face, and his response is to try and prove himself in a way that it's just "himself". On top of finding out he has PTSD from being tortured by Brashfur at a young age, I feel like people are genuinely being too harsh, and quick to judge, before the book is even over, let alone the arc. It's literally book two, he's young and dumb, and is lashing out. Yeesh. If anything, he's the most realistic written protag so far and still has an actual personality outside of only plot or only romance.
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Post by สแดษชษดสแดแดา ๐ on Oct 18, 2022 3:35:59 GMT -5
Chapter 13 (Thoughts so far): I'm like highkey kinda uncomfortable at finding out Lightleap got with Blazefire (even more so since she was flirting with Nightheart a bit). Like it's weird. And now makes me wonder if they lied about their relationship after all, which is so messed up... Sunbeam deserved better.
Owlnose really is between a rock and a hard place right now. I want him to succeed, but I don't think it'll get better for him now, especially because the secret is out now. Also Tigertwo once again showing he's truly more like the cat he's named after, wouldn't be surprised if he takes over RiverClan and tries to "justify" it or something later.
As for Nightheart, no offense, but I kinda feel like Nightheart's feelings are still justified. It's like suddenly people are forgetting the amount of crud he had to go through in the first book. And now his family is just blatantly isolating and neglecting him. While the rest of his clan is still shoving Firestar's legacy in his face, and his response is to try and prove himself in a way that it's just "himself". On top of finding out he has PTSD from being tortured by Brashfur at a young age, I feel like people are genuinely being too harsh, and quick to judge, before the book is even over, let alone the arc. It's literally book two, he's young and dumb, and is lashing out. Yeesh. If anything, he's the most realistic written protag so far and still has an actual personality outside of only plot or only romance. I feel like he's what Jayfeather would have been if he became a warrior. People praise Berrynose, Jayfeather, Molewhisker, and other characters that are generally rude/mean and arrogant, but we see why Nightheart thinks this and people immediately resort to bashing him. It makes me wonder if his relation to Firestar is a bias against him. People have been more vocal about wanting Firekin to die (despite literally being almost half the Clan) so I dunno..
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Post by carbonfoot on Oct 18, 2022 5:51:27 GMT -5
How is Nightheart supposed to be relateable, exactly? He's given Normal Tasks and all he ever does is blow up about it?
And why would him and Sunbeam get together if they've barely ever spoken (or even thought) about each other? It's like that same weirdness with the beginning of BristleRoot
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Post by stupidflower on Oct 18, 2022 6:52:37 GMT -5
Bro I go to sleep for a few hours and absolute CHAOS ensues dear LORD BlazeLight. Bruh. I really like Blazefire he better have some excuse for this Nightheart yelling at everyone and running out is the most angsty teen thing ever gosh Poor Bayshine I expected NightSun, donโt mind that much But gosh poor Owlnose I cringed while reading the Gathering part. Heโs so awkward and kinda dumb I love/hate it
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Post by hollybloom on Oct 18, 2022 7:20:21 GMT -5
Chapter 5: Nightheart As Nightheart bitterly licks his leg wound, Thriftear and Flipclaw hadn't stopped teasing him about how he disobeyed Lionblaze's orders. Thriftear was more critical of him disobeying a senior warrior, while Flipclaw jokes that "You're supposed to eat the squirrels! They aren't meant to eat you!" and then adds if Nightheart isn't careful, he'll end up in StarClan "answering to Firestar!". This ticks off Nightheart, who insults Flipclaw. Flipclaw gets hurt and says he was trying to lighten the mood. Thriftear meows that the elders told them Firestar made jokes himself. Nightheart grumbles that Firestar was clearly never the butt of the joke, and if being Firestar's kin is so important, then why don't cats treat him with the same respect they do to some dead leader.
Now back in camp, he tells himself he's going to prove himself worthy and how wrong Flipclaw, Thriftear, and Lionblaze are about him. Sparkpelt and Finchlight are still cold to Nightheart and don't let him eat with them. Bramblestar is laying over the highledge, seemingly asleep. Thriftear and Shellfur had been gossiping that Bramblestar doesn't even sleep in his own den anymore and instead sleeps in the open under the moonlight, almost like he was too scared to be left in the dark. Squirrelflight is next to him, her eyes blank and unwavering. Nightheart scents ShadowClan and groans they're back again for catmint. As he turns around, he's greeted by Flaxfoot and Gullswoop. Nightheart growls they should have waited at the border. Flaxfoot huffs there wasn't time, and Nightheart realizes they're both out of breath, like they ran here.
Lionblaze sees this and gets to his paws, coming forward with authority and asks if something has happened. He's flanked by Cherryfall and Bumblestripe. Gullswoop says medicine cat business. Squirrelflight bounds down from the highledge and demands an explantion. Bramblestar has opened his eyes, but makes no other movement. Flaxfoot says Tigerstar wants to have a meeting about the lack of catmint, and Alderheart and Jayfeather need to come. Squirrelflight snorts that it's just like Tigerstar to act like he has authority over their Clan, but Flaxfoot assures her it's not an order, but a request. Jayfeather, hearing the commotion, grunts to Squirrelflight that if Tigerstar is requesting something, then you know it's serious, and says he and Alderheart will attend. Flaxfoot is relieved, and thanks Jayfeather for understanding. Squirrelflight orders Lionblaze and Bumblestripe to escort them off the border and goes back to Bramblestar, who's attention hasn't left Flaxfoot and Gullswoop. Just before she goes back, Squirrelflight asks for an update on Brightheart. Jayfeather sighs that she's still sick, but it's not greencough yet.
Jayfeather then jerks his head to Nightheart, asking why he's bleeding. Surprised, Nightheart stammers he was bitten. Jayfeather inspects the wound, and asks if there's a fox on the territory. Nightheart mutters it was a squirrel. Jayfeather exclaims the phrase for everyone to hear, as if he can't believe the answer. Jayfeather then ushers Nightheart into the den, where he spots Brightheart silently eating a mouse with Alderheart. Alderheart issues a curt greeting to Nightheart, and Nightheart is glad that at least some of his kin don't resent him. Jayfeather snarks that Nightheart was bitten by a squirrel. Brightheart is surprised, and Nightheart hisses that prey have teeth too. Brightheart is taken back by Nightheart's hostility, but goes back to her mouse.
As Jayfeather searches amongst his herbs, he begins telling Alderheart about the emergency medicine cat meeting. Alderheart snorts that of course Tigerstar was the one to call it, and asks if he expects them to conjure herbs from the air. Jayfeather lets out a stiff snort, but says at the very least they can find out how bad the shortage is. Brightheart looks up from her mouse, and asks if they're sure they weren't lied to. Alderheart frowns and says medicine cats don't lie. Brightheart says that perhaps they mislead or exaggerated. Nightheart says it might make sense if there's a bad shortage. Alderheart says it'd be foolish to lie in a time like this. Jayfeather snorts agreement with Alderheart as he applies a poultice onto Nightheart, and then says that warriors think with their claws, not their heads, and a medicine cat might be convinced to lie or mislead if under the orders of their leader. Jayfeather then shoos Nightheart out and says to come back tomorrow so he can check the wound.
Nightheart feels he should be insulted by what Jayfeather said about warriors, but can't help but feel he agrees with him. He thinks Jayfeather must understand how frustrating it is to be part of ThunderClan. Nightheart asks Jayfeather if he thinks all warriors are like that. Jayfeather grumbles Nightheart should know himself considering he shares the den with them. Brightheart mews that there's nothing wrong with being related to Firestar and many cats would be glad to have kin like him because it gives cats something to live up to, being honorable and just. Nightheart snarls it's better to focus on the present. Brightheart agrees, but Nightheart needs to focus on what makes him himself and not focusing on the past, like he just said. Nightheart grumbles that Brightheart isn't one to talk because she doesn't contribute anything anymore anyways, but then says that perhaps it'd be better if he became a loner. Jayfeather lets out a snort and says Nightheart wouldn't last a moon.
Nightheart snarls that all Jayfeather can do is mix herbs considering he can't see. Alderheart stares at Nightheart sympathetically, and Nightheart says he guesses Alderheart become a medicine cat to avoid become compared to Firestar as well since Alderheart is also related to Firestar. Alderheart flattens his ears in annoyance, and Nightheart realizes he should have kept quiet. Alderheart says that Nightheart has only been a warrior for a few days, and he's putting way too many expectations on himself and abandoning what he knows isn't going to solve his problems. He calms down and says to just give it time, adding that it took him some time to realize he wanted to become a medicine cat. Nightheart realizes that maybe Alderheart was right and begins to appreciate his support, but it quickly turns into resentment because obviously Alderheart hasn't dealt with Nightheart's problems before. But then the resentment begins to fade as Alderheart gazes at him with love and support. Nightheart thinks to himself that at least one cat supports him, and thankfully it's his mother's littermate.
Later on, Nightheart is awake in the warriors' den and eavesdropping on Jayfeather, Alderheart, and Squirrelflight's conversation from the emergency meeting. Jayfeather and Alderheart basically explain the shortages, how Rowankit is sick, and what to do next. Nightheart then exits the den and sees Bramblestar pacing around the camp, and wonders why he didn't greet the medicine cats. Jayfeather doesn't seem to care that Bramblestar isn't present, but tells Squirrelflight that Puddleshine suggested organizing a patrol to go find catmint at the old twolegplace. Alderheart adds that Fidgetflake and Shadowsight were perfectly fine to go, but then adds that Kestrelflight was worried about Whistlepaw's training and elected not to go, while Mothwing got incredibly evasive and defensive about it to the point where Jayfeather gave up on her. Alderheart then adds that he'll be happy to represent ThunderClan. Jayfeather sniffs that he'll hold the Clan together while Alderheart has his adventures. Squirrelflight diplomatically says (whatever this means) it's a good idea. She suggests Alderheart take Twigbranch as they're close and she once took part in the quest to find SkyClan.
Jayfeather snorts no, and instead Nightheart should go. Nightheart is surprised and wonders why Jayfeather wants him to go and it didn't make sense, much like how Lionblaze loves to berate him all the time. Squirrelflight says Nightheart is the least experienced warrior in the Clan. Jayfeather says he seems restless and needs a chance to prove himself considering he failed his assessment so many times. Squirrelflight pauses, but then agrees. She says that she believes in Nightheart and mentions that Bramblestar talks constantly about how proud he is of him and how he has the markings of a noble warrior. Nightheart is happy that Bramblestar, like Alderheart, seem to just like him for who he is, and perhaps some time away from the Clan will help him figure himself out.
Alderheart says he's glad it's settled, but he'd like to mention how Mothwing and Frostpaw were at the Moonpool before anyone else. Jayfeather says he suspects they were there for another reason, and Alderheart adds that they stayed after everyone left too. Jayfeather mews that Mothwing was incredibly evasive and irritated when he just tried to make conversation, and how Mothwing shut down Puddleshine's idea for an organized patrol of cats to go look for catmint almost immediately if not for the intervention of himself, Alderheart, and Frecklewish. Squirrelflight says Mothwing must have her reasons, and she's sure they'll learn about it with the next gathering. The three finish up and then go to their nests, but as Squirrelflight heads back, she catches Nightheart's eye. He realizes he's been caught, but instead of being angry, Squirrelflight issues him a nod, and then goes into Bramblestar's den. Nightheart begins to tremble not because he had been caught, but because he's being given an important task that might save the Clans. op, could we get a picture of this chapter please? particularly the scene where nightheart insults jayfeather and brightheart?
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Post by frogbit on Oct 18, 2022 8:42:48 GMT -5
Hello Owlnose deserves the world that is all
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Post by Jaysnow on Oct 18, 2022 8:43:15 GMT -5
I have no wordsโฆ
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Post by แดแดแดษดษช๊ฑ๊ฑ on Oct 18, 2022 8:53:56 GMT -5
Nightheart is just working through his feelings of being abandoned twice by his mother (once emotionally and once physically) at a young age. Which as someone who experienced emotional abandonment from my mother as a child as well is really hard to do, and can come out as anger and resentment and the thoughts that โno one likes me for meโ do exist from this if the trauma of abandonment isnโt healed from. Got to remember everyone reacts to things differently and you never know how you will act until it happens to you. His actions at the moment are terrible and arenโt the right way to go about things there is no denying that and while trauma isnโt an excuse for his behaviors his character is very likely to get better as he ages. he is quite relatable to me in the sense of his mental/emotional state. I did act a lot like him when I was a teenager. Heโll find his way eventually.
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Post by Jaysnow on Oct 18, 2022 8:58:09 GMT -5
Nightheart is just working through his feelings of being abandoned twice by his mother (once emotionally and once physically) at a young age. Which as someone who experienced emotional abandonment from my mother as a child as well is really hard to do, and can come out as anger and resentment and the thoughts that โno one likes me for meโ do exist from this if the trauma of abandonment isnโt healed from. Got to remember everyone reacts to things differently and you never know how you will act until it happens to you. His actions at the moment are terrible and arenโt the right way to go about things there is no denying that and while trauma isnโt an excuse for his behaviors his character is very likely to get better as he ages. he is quite relatable to me in this sense alone. I feel like snapping at a nice old lady and a blind doctor is a bit much.
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Post by แดแดแดษดษช๊ฑ๊ฑ on Oct 18, 2022 8:59:56 GMT -5
Nightheart is just working through his feelings of being abandoned twice by his mother (once emotionally and once physically) at a young age. Which as someone who experienced emotional abandonment from my mother as a child as well is really hard to do, and can come out as anger and resentment and the thoughts that โno one likes me for meโ do exist from this if the trauma of abandonment isnโt healed from. Got to remember everyone reacts to things differently and you never know how you will act until it happens to you. His actions at the moment are terrible and arenโt the right way to go about things there is no denying that and while trauma isnโt an excuse for his behaviors his character is very likely to get better as he ages. he is quite relatable to me in this sense alone. I feel like snapping at a nice old lady and a blind doctor is a bit much. For sure, he is 100% toxic at the moment.
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Post by fallenorchids on Oct 18, 2022 9:03:50 GMT -5
Nightheart is just working through his feelings of being abandoned twice by his mother (once emotionally and once physically) at a young age. Which as someone who experienced emotional abandonment from my mother as a child as well is really hard to do, and can come out as anger and resentment and the thoughts that โno one likes me for meโ do exist from this if the trauma of abandonment isnโt healed from. Got to remember everyone reacts to things differently and you never know how you will act until it happens to you. His actions at the moment are terrible and arenโt the right way to go about things there is no denying that and while trauma isnโt an excuse for his behaviors his character is very likely to get better as he ages. he is quite relatable to me in this sense alone. I feel like snapping at a nice old lady and a blind doctor is a bit much. honestly how alderheart stays so calm and nice while dealing with Nightheart is impressive
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Post by frogbit on Oct 18, 2022 9:14:06 GMT -5
Honestly I feel like what Nightheart needs is someone who is just as combative and toxic to play off of and to occasionally put him in his place. So it isn't just him being mean to everyone for an entire book.
Also I'd like to point out that Nightheart and Sparkpelt's story resonates with a lot of people on both sides of the aisle and to respect that when talking about both characters. I'm personally on Sparkpelt's side for most of the arguments but personal experience and trauma can make discussions get especially intense
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Post by โ
Maplefrostโ
on Oct 18, 2022 9:37:21 GMT -5
I feel like, and no offense here, maybe spoilers shouldn't be dropped out of order because it seems to cause more confusion. I also don't see how suddenly Sun x Night is on the table, and I'm not even that opposed to the idea either. And the paraphrasing makes it a bit harder to understand the nuance of the situations. So I'm guessing people will have try and form their own opinions once they receive their orders too. This will definitely be a book I'll have to find time to read as well, because for me, some of this is quite jarring, and I don't know if it's the because of the writing or not. As for Nightheart, I do think him lashing out at Brightheart was rude, but her bringing up Firekin didn't help, not saying she deserved it, but it wasn't like he went out of his way on purpose. Or said what he said out of malicious intent. He's being defensive because of how he was treated, and in a way it is a response to past trauma, which is what we now have a confirmation for in this book. Jayfeather is well rude to everyone, but when Alderheart speaks to him, that's when Nightheart starts to realize some sort of guilt, because Alderheart is one of the few cats that are his kin and genuinely care about him for being him. Same with Bramblestar, but it's unfortunate that his mind is going, and he's suffering as well, and Nightheart is unconsciously afraid of him too from PTSD.
Nightheart has barely been a warrior, and has already gone through a lot. His clan fell apart in the previous arc, his mother and sister left him in ThunderClan and now they're isolating him because of his name change. Brashfur tortured him out of spite, and the clan constantly judged him for not living up to his bloodline. I don't think when other cats come to him they're wishing to be firekin relatives too, it's them believing they have something to prove BECAUSE they're firekin. And Sparkpelt being the spitting image of Firestar himself, doesn't help. Now he's going against traditions because of his name change, not one thinks "Nightheart" is his real name either. And he feels the needs to prove himself as Nightheart, but ends up getting reckless.
He's not being malicious or villainous. He's just being defensive and lashing out as a response to trauma. People can dislike him, that's fine, but his behavior isn't for no reason or coming out of no where. And since it's only the first book, he still has more time before he's properly development. It's only in this book does he even start to realize that some cats actually care for him, but others are still too critical on him, and even making him the butt of jokes.
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Post by Jaysnow on Oct 18, 2022 9:40:38 GMT -5
I feel like, and no offense here, maybe spoilers shouldn't be dropped out of order because it seems to cause more confusion. I also don't see how suddenly Sun x Night is on the table, and I'm not even that opposed to the idea either. And the paraphrasing makes it a bit harder to understand the nuance of the situations. So I'm guessing people will have try and form their own opinions once they receive their orders too. This will definitely be a book I'll have to find time to read as well, because for me, some of this is quite jarring, and I don't know if it's the because of the writing or not. As for Nightheart, I do think him lashing out at Brightheart was rude, but her bringing up Firekin didn't help, not saying she deserved it, but it wasn't like he went out of his way on purpose. Or said what he said out of malicious intent. He's being defensive because of how he was treated, and in a way it is a response to past trauma, which is what we now have a confirmation for in this book. Jayfeather is well rude to everyone, but when Alderheart speaks to him, that's when Nightheart starts to realize some sort of guilt, because Alderheart is one of the few cats that are his kin and genuinely care about him for being him. Same with Bramblestar, but it's unfortunate that his mind is going, and he's suffering as well, and Nightheart is unconsciously afraid of him too from PTSD.
Nightheart has barely been a warrior, and has already gone through a lot. His clan fell apart in the previous arc, his mother and sister left him in ThunderClan and now they're isolating him because of his name change. Brashfur tortured him out of spite, and the clan constantly judged him for not living up to his bloodline. I don't think when other cats come to him they're wishing to be firekin relatives too, it's them believing they have something to prove BECAUSE they're firekin. And Sparkpelt being the spitting image of Firestar himself, doesn't help. Now he's going against traditions because of his name change, not one thinks "Nightheart" is his real name either. And he feels the needs to prove himself as Nightheart, but ends up getting reckless.
He's not being malicious or villainous. He's just being defensive and lashing out as a response to trauma. People can dislike him, that's fine, but his behavior isn't for no reason or coming out of no where. And since it's only the first book, he still has more time before he's properly development. It's only in this book does he even start to realize that some cats actually care for him, but others are still too critical on him, and even making him the butt of jokes. Good points. But if he doesn't improve over the course of the next few books...
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Post by ๐๐ป๐ฆBrambleheart๐ฆ๐ป๐ on Oct 18, 2022 9:41:33 GMT -5
Hello Owlnose deserves the world that is all Agreed. Also Hi, I remember you from the OC leak!
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Post by brightheartt on Oct 18, 2022 9:49:36 GMT -5
Iโm just kind of basking in the fact that itโs looking like my Bramblestar having dementia theory is looking even more likely now, I suspected it with River but nowโฆ
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Post by midgetpaw on Oct 18, 2022 10:13:54 GMT -5
Wow, everything seems so chaotic! Rip Rowankit Though I must say, Lightleap is so interesting to me. Flirting with Nightheart? Getting together with Blazefire? Annoying the hell out of everyone with talking and being reckless? And poor Owlnose. He seems like heโs trying his best and is constantly put under pressure in order to please everyone. I definitely feel a Riverclan rebellion rising, as well as a Shadowclan one.
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Post by ghostfang on Oct 18, 2022 10:26:00 GMT -5
Hot damn yall, chill I get the whole greencough issue is serious but why press RiverClan so harshly for having potentially inexperienced cats in charge, not as you'd know anyhow, Tigerstar also should backup his bus I get his son just died from greencough but I doubt it specifically came from RC he gets progressively worse throughout the book and he's arguably at his all time-worst at the end imo I KNEW IT I KNEW TIGERSTAR HAD ANOTHER ASSHOLE ARC COMING
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Post by carbonfoot on Oct 18, 2022 10:29:29 GMT -5
Personally I think Lightleap can do whatever she wants because a) she and Blazefire don't "owe" Sunbeam anything and can be in a relationship if they want she's cool c) I like her Watch as I end up having to eat my words later when they ruin her and make her the worst person on Earth or something
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Post by ๐ฑ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on Oct 18, 2022 10:37:47 GMT -5
Chapter 10:
Rest in peace, Rowankit! You were gone too soon. I feel really bad for Dovewing and the rest of her kits right now but can tell that Tigerstar's own grief will probably result in him lashing out and provoking some form of conflict over his young son's unfortunate demise. Oh, and Brryheart really is shaping up to be the leading figure behind the new ShadowClan rebellion. Fingers crossed that she will be a "good" female villain.
Chapter 11:
Glad to see that Brightheart's health has improved instead of declined although there is still the possibility of her death in this arc since the sickness might come back.
That scene between Nightheart and Bramblestar does quite remind me of when Fireheart interacted with Bluestar in TPB post Tigerclaw's betrayal. Bramblestar certainly behaves in a way which suggests PTSD as well as signs of dementia just like in River. Really hoping he gets to retire on his own terms and live on peacefully in the elders den instead of him dying though.
Also, Nightheart getting tormented by the impostor while his mother and sister were not in ThunderClan does seem like an understandable reason for him to be upset but he truly should communicate with both of them so they can clear things up since neither Sparkpelt not Finchlight are at fault for what Ashfur did to Nightheart. Sparkpelt was badly wounded because of "Bramblestar" as well after all when he pulled a Tigerstar and sent some dogs her way in TBC.
It does seem as if Nightheart will join ShadowClan soon. But I'm really hoping that's only the case temporarily and he'll return to ThunderClan not long afterwards to resolve his family drama and become happy there.
Chapter 12:
Poor Owlnose is in way over his head and I hope it doesn't end up killing him. Splashtail being deputy immediately made me think he'll either try to outvote him (despite the deputy not being allowed to do so according to the new leadership rules) or overthrow/kill him. Either way, Splashtail is sus to me. And no, him being young doesn't mean he would be incapable of wanting power or being the one who is used himself by yet another cat that is manipulating him. But we'll see. Since this is just a theory for now on my part.
Chapter 13 Part 1:
Feeling bad for Owlnose for the fourth time (I'm pretty sure). He is not ready or cut out for this but still trying his best nonetheless, bless him. Both Harestar (surprised at his attitude) and Tigerstar (no surprises there though) are quite harsh towards him but I'm glad to see Leafstar realized that Owlnose was overwhelmed and changed her tone a bit eventually. He has not done anything wrong, after all. Tigerstar was already confirmed to be a menace in the blurb for Shadow so him continuing to act hostile and being suspicious about RiverClan is no surprise.
A lot happened while I was not online. Bless this mess, honestly. I love it so far.
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Post by brightheartt on Oct 18, 2022 10:38:18 GMT -5
Hot damn yall, chill I get the whole greencough issue is serious but why press RiverClan so harshly for having potentially inexperienced cats in charge, not as you'd know anyhow, Tigerstar also should backup his bus I get his son just died from greencough but I doubt it specifically came from RC he gets progressively worse throughout the book and he's arguably at his all time-worst at the end imo honestly this is pretty big considering how he acted towards Dovepaw/wing in omen of the stars - I wonder how he tops โadult dating a teenager and then completely betraying her trust and causing her sister to be captured and held hostage while also defending someone who is falsely accusing someone of murder despite knowing the claims are falseโ
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