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But Squirrelflight's approach isn't the same as Firestar's, her approach is much more confrontational and aggressive. Firestar never treated Bluestar in the same condescending and disrespectful way as Squirrelflight does Bramblestar.

Bramblestar believed that Tigertwo had good intentions, which turns out to be true, but it's the method of how he enforces it later in the book that is the issue, to which even I was uncomfortable with. Tigertwo's intentions aren't malicious like Tigerstar, but they were still harmful. It's just like how RiverClan clearly needed help, but the way he went about helping them resulted in an unnecessary fight.

It's noted that Squirrelflight "belittles" Bramblestar a lot throughout his conversation just because he wanted to think positively of Tigertwo, not even liking that he wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. On the other hand Leafstar saying ambition is in Tigertwo's blood obviously offended him, because him and Tigertwo are kin. Bramblestar was judged since he was a kit for looking like Tigerstar, and even named after him as Brambleclaw. He was constantly faced with judgement from other cats, even from Firestar himself, and so was Tawnypelt, which is the reason why she left ThunderClan in the first place. Leafstar thankfully does say she meant no ill will by her words but still expresses worry about Tigertwo, and Bramblestar wants to wait a bit before getting involved.

The moment Leafstar leaves, Squirrelflight rounds on Bramblestar, and yells at him, and then is noted to contemplate on hitting him. Instead of actually talking about the situation in a more compromising manner, than the behavior she displayed, she walks off. Literally Nightheart does a better job with doing this than her.

No where is this situation even close to how Leafpool and Squirrelflight used Bramblestar, when it came to the three. Not even close. Especially when he was more hurt with the fact that she didn't tell him in the first place, breaking the trust between them first. Nothing was stopping Squirrelflight from asking Bramblestar for help, because he would have most definitely help, but it just showed how much she lacked any trust with him despite everything they went through in TNP. And Bramblestar giving Tigertwo the benefit of the doubt wasn't his ONLY reason, he also stated to Nightheart that he didn't want to get involved in another clan's affairs, which as a leader, is a fair and valid reason.

This isn't the point I was making. So I'll say it again. "Squirrelflight's approach isn't the same as Firestar's, her approach is much more confrontational and aggressive." Squirrelflight is stated to go against Bramblestar numerous times, undermine him to his face, and THEN go behind his back when she doesn't get what she wants. Firestar didn't blatantly go against Bluestar to her face, he didn't aggressive confront her, contemplate hitting her, or continuously belittle her while she spoke to other leaders. Squirrelflight's behavior was disrespectful, period.

And if we're saying that Firestar broke his trust with Bluestar when he spoke with Tallstar, then it's 10x worse when Squirrelflight does this and fails in the process, while also making the situation even messier in SqH. Essentially Firestar STILL did things more efficiently than her, even if they were both in the wrong, and still treated Bluestar with more respect.


You're using confirmation bias. The events that happened after this situation was when Duskfur attacked ShadowClan FIRST. I also clearly said, I'm not happy with how Tigertwo dealt with the situation, in fact I found it downright uncomfortable, but his intent and Tigerstar's are not the same. Tigertwo 100% deserves criticism for not handling the situation in a diplomatic way, but just because in the end he did use force, doesn't make what Squirrelflight did right. Especially when prior to any of that he didn't have any intent on pushing the idea of going to RiverClan until AFTER Fidgetflake told him the truth. 

Also saying Bramblestar wanting to give Tigertwo the benefit of the doubt "disgusting" is an exaggeration imo. Especially when literally right after his confrontation with Leafstar (the one who called BOTH Squirrel and Bramble naïve) then turned to Nightheart with advice. He agreed with him and then thought that maybe it would be the better idea to find out for themselves just in case, hence why he assigned him the spy mission. Just because you give someone the benefit of the doubt, doesn't mean you excuse their actions, they are not the same. And if Bramblestar was blindly defending Tigertwo he wouldn't even have considered asking Nightheart for his advice in the first place.


What relevance does killing Bramblestar in TBC have to do with this, especially when it was Ashfur inside Bramblestar's body. Or the fact that Tigertwo, Harestar, and Leafstar all voted in agreement to execute "Ashfur", not Bramblestar. It's a situation where the sacrifice of one is needed to save the needs of many, and even I agreed with it at the time. This however is a different situation, and were' past that.

Bramblestar, again, wasn't defending Tigerstar, he wasn't even defending Tigertwo's decisions, giving someone the benefit of the doubt, again, is not excusing one's actions. At the time Bramblestar genuinely believed that Tigertwo just wanted to help, but then had qualms with it, hence wanting to send a spy. By the end of the book he never gets the confirmation on whether or not ShadowClan was going to invade, because of Squirrelflight confronting Nightheart, so now they won't find out until everyone else does. And lets get a hypothetical, say Nightheart did tell them what Sunbeam said, that Tigertwo wasn't going to invade, which was true at the time, that has obviously changed because of Fidgetflake. Because Fidgetflake revealed to ShadowClan the truth of what was happening to RiverClan, and how it wasn't going to get any better either. 

These are sequences of events that have causes and effects, leading from one thing to another. 


The ableism situation was literally Hollyfall saying they misread, not the lack of nuance. Even with pure context, the only way this could even be excusable is if it never happened at all.


What reason would he have to tell Squirrelflight (and Leafpool for that matter) about either of those though? The Dark Forest training only happened because Tigerstar was spending moons to try and connect to his dreams, and the only reason he stayed was because of Hawkfrost. And he had nothing to do with the trap period?? That was Hawkfrost (and Ashfur) who conspired that, and Bramblestar was put in a position where he had to choose his brother or Firestar. He was going to be involved in that regardless, but in the end he chose Firestar. It was ironically Squirrelflight who expected Bramblestar to betray her father because Ashfur is the one that ran back to camp and claim what he saw to frame him. Both Squirrelflight and Leafpool had a mistrust of Bramblestar, but with different amounts, and for different reasons.

Sunset:







Notably, Squirrelflight didn't trust Bramblestar for the majority of TNP, not until they got together officially in Sunset, while it switched around for Leafpool because of her dream. Which imo, Leafpool's omen of a dream is a much more valid reason for having doubts toward Bramblestar than Squirrelflight who continuously threw tantrums just because she didn't like Hawkfrost.

Squirrelflight lying about his children to his face is a completely different ball game of mistrust. Because they were officially mates, she told him they were his kits, and they raised them on a lie. She used him as father fodder to cover up Leafpool's code breaking, and didn't even trust him enough to tell him the truth. Even when Hollyleaf spoke at the gathering, neither Leafpool or Squirrelflight told the truth STILL. Because of how cowardly they were. Bramblestar even walks up to her and asks her "Why?", and she could not give him a proper answer, but she had no excuse.


Again, sequence of events. He initially didn't want to get involved, then after contemplating after getting advice, that's when he thinks that Nightheart's idea to send a spy is good. Maybe if Squirrelflight actually sat down and talked to him like Nightheart does, instead of yelling at him, belittling him, undermining him, and even contemplating physical abuse, they'd actually get some where. But, ya know.

Admittedly this is my fault just for skimming through the actual chapters, but he just disappeared for the night without telling anyone. I just wanted to get through the book as fast as I possibly could because I genuinely was not enjoying it. I should have double checked I was reading the actual correct material, so my apologies for the confusion.

So in short, he sneaks out against Squirrelflight's orders (Nightheart reasons it's okay because Squirrelflight isn't Clan leader, and Bramblestar didn't say anything on the topic), comes back an hour or so later, and that's when she lays into him. 

Oh yeah, true. Now I feel bad for Owlnose all over again! Hope he gets out of this situation alive by the end of it. But on that note, why is Tigerstar even allowed to just reinstate the leader of a different Clan?

Submission to authority, essentially. After ShadowClan wins the battle he takes up command. RiverClan's too exhausted and hurt to really argue with it. Owlnose just does as Tigerstar says because he's too afraid to stand up to Tigerstar. 

Squirrelflight's logic in my opinion is so flawed here. She claims RiverClan is in trouble, and that ShadowClan will invade, so what does she expect them to do at that point? Attack ShadowClan unprovoked? Confront them with no basis? What exactly does she want out of her grilling Bramblestar the way she did, especially at this point in the book? And especially when RiverClan made it clear they don't want any help at all?

Also I don't see how Nightheart is an "unreliable narrator" here when he's noting the different emotions of every cat in that scene, Bramblestar, Leafstar and Squirrelflight. I find it hard to believe he's only unreliable when it just comes to Squirrelflight only. Her anger and rage even has him taken aback, and it's mad weird that she does this only after Leafstar leaves. And then even noted to look like she was about to swipe him in the face...ugh.

I just don't see how in what world it's okay to leave your partner shaken and upset after yelling and berating them. And then you notice he's staring into space again, lost, because of his mental problems, he's not comprehending things properly. Even in the second argument, he's more scared of Squirrelflight at first and says nothing before speaking eventually. And he does make a good point, she did go behind her back to WindClan unnecessarily, which just later ends up with Bramblestar being mocked at the gathering, much to his confusion. 

I just felt a level of dread reading the part when they went back to the den again to continue the conversation, when it's most likely just going to be her yelling at him again probably. But who knows.

Her behavior is grossing me out either way.

Likewise. In one of Sunbeam's prior chapters he's both enraged and confused as to why cats thought he would try to launch an invasion, and says it's because when one Clan is weak (their neighboring Clan as well), it will make the other Clans weak. Especially ShadowClan. So he offered help to try and solve the problem before it gets worse. 

Then later, when Mothwing, Frostpaw, and Owlnose come back from the Moonpool, Tigerstar's in the RiverClan camp, and insists he's here to help even though he's brought the majority of his warriors with him. Owlnose is too timid to really stand up to Tigerstar so Mothwing, Duskfur, and Splashtail do most of the talking. Tigerstar is concerned when he finds out Owlnose wasn't granted his lives and name by StarClan (though Frostpaw herself notes that she doesn't know how he could have known that since Fidgetflake hadn't been gone that long to tell him), and is actually diappointed when he realizes Fidgetflake was unsuccessful in trying to help. Tigerstar keeps insisting he's here to help as his warriors literally trap RiverClan in their own camp. 

He's told several times by Mothwing, Duskfur, Splashtail, Owlnose (albeit weakly from him), Mallownose, Sneezecloud, and Shimmerpelt to back off and go home. He declines, but then RiverClan starts the fight with Duskfur attacking them. 

It's genuinely boggling to me. He seems to have good intentions, but god.