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Post by Jaysnow on Oct 19, 2022 13:10:25 GMT -5
Disappointed we don't get Icestar but Owlnose seems like a cool character, and Owlstar is a dope name. Owlnose ultimately rejected the position after going to the Moonpool a second time with Frostpaw though. I didn't read the thread thoroughly, I wanted some things to still be a surprise. Thanks for the correction! Overall I think The Silent Thaw is still better than Sky (book twos) but I'm still very excited to read my copy once it arrives on November first. |
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Post by wolfboyhunter on Oct 19, 2022 13:10:45 GMT -5
Disappointed we don't get Icestar but Owlnose seems like a cool character, and Owlstar is a dope name. Unrelated comment: I finally figured out how to make the messages show in my replies, woo!
He would be Owlstar number three, which I absolutely don't mind, but I also think it's a tad much.
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Post by Jaysnow on Oct 19, 2022 13:11:21 GMT -5
Disappointed we don't get Icestar but Owlnose seems like a cool character, and Owlstar is a dope name. Unrelated comment: I finally figured out how to make the messages show in my replies, woo!
He would be Owlstar number three, which I absolutely don't mind, but I also think it's a tad much.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Oct 19, 2022 13:12:54 GMT -5
Owlnose ultimately rejected the position after going to the Moonpool a second time with Frostpaw though. I didn't read the thread thoroughly, I wanted some things to still be a surprise. Thanks for the correction! Overall I think The Silent Thaw is still better than Sky (book twos) but I'm still very excited to read my copy once it arrives on November first. Ah, I see. Sorry for spoilering this for you then. I'm excited to read and write a review for this book myself once it arrives and I've read it properly on November 11th. |
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Post by wolfboyhunter on Oct 19, 2022 13:13:40 GMT -5
Unrelated comment: I finally figured out how to make the messages show in my replies, woo!
He would be Owlstar number three, which I absolutely don't mind, but I also think it's a tad much.
Newer leader names would be spectacular. |
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Post by Jaysnow on Oct 19, 2022 13:16:34 GMT -5
I didn't read the thread thoroughly, I wanted some things to still be a surprise. Thanks for the correction! Overall I think The Silent Thaw is still better than Sky (book twos) but I'm still very excited to read my copy once it arrives on November first. Ah, I see. Sorry for spoilering this for you then. I'm excited to read and write a review for this book myself once it arrives and I've read it properly on November 11th. You don't have to apologize, this is literally a spoiler thread. If I wanted to avoid them completely I should have stayed out of it. You're fine. |
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Post by Jaysnow on Oct 19, 2022 13:16:59 GMT -5
Newer leader names would be spectacular. Minnowstar is such a RiverClan-name. |
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Post by wolfboyhunter on Oct 19, 2022 13:20:53 GMT -5
Absolutely; give me Minnowstar or Havenstar PLEASE Minnowstar is such a RiverClan-name. |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 19, 2022 13:55:34 GMT -5
Hollyfall can you potentially expand on this? like maybe show a quick pic of just those lines Have a look at the extract and the rest of the thread
Hunh....well its a bit too late now... I think a lot of people already have branded him as ableist and misogynistic and were already condemning him, when at most he was just being a rude young warrior. |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 19, 2022 14:19:07 GMT -5
I also want to add, I find what Tigertwo is doing to be very...uncomfortable. Maybe it's because I'm afro-indigenous, but the idea of forcefully trying to help a group, whether you have good intentions or not, and using brute force to push them into a corner when they don't concede, is just gross...ShadowClan was essentially taking over RiverClan's land...RiverClan does need help, but the way ShadowClan is doing it is horrible. And it's bad enough that they already have a history with doing this, and Tigertwo's name doesn't help. It's literal generational trauma. They told them to go away several times, and even before that told them to leave them alone. Tigertwo is just ugh. |
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Post by brightheartt on Oct 19, 2022 14:25:53 GMT -5
But the extract about Jayfeather is right there? And the person who shared it is a warriors discussion YouTuber whose last video was about the some of the ableism in the series. He wouldn’t lie about this. no offense intended, but someone being from Twitter who is also a warriors youtuber makes me trust them less. Weird stance but ok, even though he literally provided evidence. It just feels odd to me to not trust someone on the basis that they use Twitter and are a YouTuber. You seem to not know who he is and are just straight up saying you won’t listen to him based on the fact he uses Twitter and YouTube, even though like I say he has evidence. |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 19, 2022 14:33:57 GMT -5
no offense intended, but someone being from Twitter who is also a warriors youtuber makes me trust them less. Weird stance but ok, even though he literally provided evidence. It just feels odd to me to not trust someone on the basis that they use Twitter and are a YouTuber. You seem to not know who he is and are just straight up saying you won’t listen to him based on the fact he uses Twitter and YouTube, even though like I say he has evidence. I think what Saint (and I'm sorry if I'm wrong here Saint) is saying is that we tend to give less of a benefit of a doubt to other platforms vs the forums here because of the long history of misinformation that circulates. A lot of the times there are situations where content creators can influence what others feel about a subject over having them form their own opinions instead, and then this turns into situations where it is treated as a "fandom fact" when it's not. Misinformation being spread in the community can cause a lot of chaos, and does have its long term effects, and even if they're personal opinions it doesn't make them facts. Hollyfall, the original poster of this thread, has also cleared up any discrepancies involving the original issue, saying Nightheart isn't misogynistic or ableist just an "asshole". Whether carbonfoot chooses to believe that or not is up to them, they're free to their own opinion, but it doesn't change what's canon or not. |
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Post by littleclevergem123 on Oct 19, 2022 16:44:48 GMT -5
it does make me feel better about Nightheart isn't using ableist comments though, he may not be as bad. but still will be a chore to read if all his chapters are just cats being rude when they wouldn't be, but i'll give the benefit of the doubt till i read it for myself.
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Post by soulheart on Oct 19, 2022 17:11:28 GMT -5
I also want to add, I find what Tigertwo is doing to be very...uncomfortable. Maybe it's because I'm afro-indigenous, but the idea of forcefully trying to help a group, whether you have good intentions or not, and using brute force to push them into a corner when they don't concede, is just gross...ShadowClan was essentially taking over RiverClan's land...RiverClan does need help, but the way ShadowClan is doing it is horrible. And it's bad enough that they already have a history with doing this, and Tigertwo's name doesn't help. It's literal generational trauma. They told them to go away several times, and even before that told them to leave them alone. Tigertwo is just ugh. Agreed. It is consistent with his previous actions. SkyClan and the Sisters were also forcibly removed/violently bullied into submission in the name of land. Tigerstar never chooses the diplomatic option, but rather the nuclear one. To me, the inevitable outcome where the editors redeem him, do not hold him accountable, and portray him as a "great leader who makes mistakes, he apologized so it's ok" is more concerning than Nightheart being a rude edgy teen. |
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Post by littleclevergem123 on Oct 19, 2022 17:23:28 GMT -5
I also want to add, I find what Tigertwo is doing to be very...uncomfortable. Maybe it's because I'm afro-indigenous, but the idea of forcefully trying to help a group, whether you have good intentions or not, and using brute force to push them into a corner when they don't concede, is just gross...ShadowClan was essentially taking over RiverClan's land...RiverClan does need help, but the way ShadowClan is doing it is horrible. And it's bad enough that they already have a history with doing this, and Tigertwo's name doesn't help. It's literal generational trauma. They told them to go away several times, and even before that told them to leave them alone. Tigertwo is just ugh. Agreed. It is consistent with his previous actions. SkyClan and the Sisters were also forcibly removed/violently bullied into submission in the name of land. Tigerstar never chooses the diplomatic option, but rather the nuclear one. To me, the inevitable outcome where the editors redeem him, do not hold him accountable, and portray him as a "great leader who makes mistakes, he apologized so it's ok" is more concerning than Nightheart being a rude edgy teen. I agree with everything above. Tawnypelt even pointed out he is acting like tigerstar 1- he definitely isn't evil like him. but what he is doing to RiverClan reminds me of Tigerstar 1. some cats still remember that that are alive... |
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Post by Jaysnow on Oct 19, 2022 17:26:26 GMT -5
It's just even more awful because Tawnypelt probably named him "Tigerkit" to reclaim the name (cats with the prefix Tiger can be good people) and then he goes off acting like this, and also happens to have the same name, "Tigerstar", as his grandfather that his mother despised so much.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2022 18:47:13 GMT -5
I feel bad that Mosspelt has to deal with that again  |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 19, 2022 19:04:01 GMT -5
Also while we're on the subject, Squirrelflight made me highly uncomfortable too. Going based on the spoilers, and maybe I'll change my mind later when I actually read it, I don't know. But it's gross to me that she undermines Bramblestar constantly, and now even to his face. Just like in the last book, she still resorts to not even considering what he wants and runs the clan on her own.
I get Bramblestar may not be fit to make many decisions anymore, but there's other ways she could compromise with him as his deputy. And even with rank aside, raising your voice at your partner, and even contemplating to hit him, when he's mentally deteriorating is just mad weird.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2022 19:08:27 GMT -5
Yeahhh i'm starting to really dislike Squirrelflight
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 19, 2022 19:12:12 GMT -5
Help us, Frostpaw! You're our only hope at actually being a bearable protagonist for this arc! But seriously, Hollyfall , and I'm almost afraid to ask, but how bad is the badmouthing? I'd post pictures but they do reference events that haven't happened yet (in terms of my summaries, I mean). Squirrelflight asks Nightheart where he had been as he's been missing for days, but he starts going off about how she just missed him doing all the useless tasks because she doesn't respect him. Squirrelflight says it's because he's been gone for literal days and nobody knew where he had went, and he's been told several times they literally have no apprentices so the warriors need to help out. He starts yelling at her saying she's horrible and doesn't appreciate him and treats him like he's useless. Squirrelflight says he keeps pushing himself and putting unreasonable expectations on himself, but Nightheart says she hates him and he's no longer part of ThunderClan. Sparkpelt asks why, and he says he's leaving. His screaming has woken up the entire Clan. Finchlight says he's just being dramatic, but Nightheart screams at her that nobody respects him treats him with dignity. Everyone in the Clan thinks so highly of themselves and he's going to a better Clan with cats who appreciate him. Then he runs off and says he's not part of them anymore.
Bayshine, who was woken up by this, is particularly hurt and has Nightheart runs, Bayshine is wailing for him to come back. Paraphrasing, of course. But still. Also is this another mistake, but you've said he's been missing for a few days? When it was actually a few hours, right? (I'm guessing this is what you meant based on the picture pages of their argument) I could understand if Squirrelflight was angry at him for missing for a few days, but that's not the same as a few hours...So when I first read this I was genuinely confused as to why he'd be gone for a few days, and if something happened to him. |
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Post by Feliidate_ on Oct 19, 2022 19:30:55 GMT -5
Sparkpelt has EASILY become my least favorite character of all time due to this book. Her and Myrtlebloom’s words in the preview chapters were high-key uncomfortable for me to read as a trans person, especially considering that she tried to guilt Nightheart into believing that his is “selfish” or “disrespectful” for daring to carve out his own identity within the clan. I really, really do not understand why so much of the fandom on Twitter and Tumblr is suddenly babying her for it: her behavior is atrocious and should 100% be called out by the narrative! I cannot trust or respect those who continue to wholeheartedly defend Sparkpelt as a character after this, it is just simply NOT okay. I’ve also lost all of the (little) respect that I had for Tigerheart / Tigerstar II as well, he’s a massive downgrade from Rowanclaw - which is saying a lot, all things considered.
With that said, Squirrelflight is ALSO being a massive hypocrite once again! I don’t understand why she is being so resentful and cruel towards Bramblestar in regards to his obvious trauma / PTSD, considering that she spent the entirety of the last arc trying to bring him back. Her lack of understanding and sympathy for his trauma here is on full display and is seriously bizarre. Her scolding Nightheart is also quite ironic, considering that she’s not exactly known for sticking to the Code either - she definitely comes across as a “rules for thee and not for me” type of cat in this arc. Why can’t she and Bramblestar both either retire from their positions or die? It’s getting incredibly tiring to see them play such big roles in literally every main series arc since TNP. I’d say that it’s about time that we got someone new as leader, perhaps maybe Cinderheart or Ivypool - or reall) anyone that is NOT Squirrelflight. I am begging the Erins to finally let her and Bramblestar fade into obscurity, along with Firestar. This is getting ridiculous. |
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Post by honeysnap on Oct 19, 2022 20:03:31 GMT -5
I don’t think we should entirely blame the characters for their out of character behavior. All of it has to do with the Erin’s being very misogynistic/sexist and bad at writing. They think that the only way to make their male characters sympathetic is to make all the female characters mean, even when it goes against their personality or even canon. (Rootspring, Nightheart) But, with the squirrelflight stuff, it’s complicated. Yes, her behavior to bramblestar is rude, but not abusive. Bramblestar is defending his nephew, Tigerstar 2, when he is trying to take over riverclan. It is perfectly justified to be angry at him for it. Yes, throughout the book he is shown to be out of it and showing signs of dementia. But then he yelled at squirrelflight that he’s judging him about being related to tigerstar, and, *sigh*. Neither characters have ever been in a good relationship in the slightest. Squirrelflight threatening to hit him is horrible, but, just a reminder that the book hasn’t actually come out yet, and it really depends on how it is actually stated in the text. We really should wait till we can quote the book to make final thoughts. (Though this could all age horribly so don’t quote me)
One thing I will defend squirrelflight on is the apprentices tasks Nightheart constantly complains about, when it’s common custom that when there are no apprentices, the youngest warriors help out with the tasks. Squirrelflight isn’t specifically targeting him, and he’s not the only one doing them, he is just a moody 19 year old complaining about washing the dishes.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Oct 19, 2022 20:43:48 GMT -5
hi i'd like to order one villain nightheart please with a side of therapy for frostpaw on the side would you like a sunbeam gets over blazefire with that combo meal? yes please and could i have a break for fringewhisker with that too please |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 19, 2022 21:03:06 GMT -5
I don’t think we should entirely blame the characters for their out of character behavior. All of it has to do with the Erin’s being very misogynistic/sexist and bad at writing. They think that the only way to make their male characters sympathetic is to make all the female characters mean, even when it goes against their personality or even canon. (Rootspring, Nightheart) But, with the squirrelflight stuff, it’s complicated. Yes, her behavior to bramblestar is rude, but not abusive. Bramblestar is defending his nephew, Tigerstar 2, when he is trying to take over riverclan. It is perfectly justified to be angry at him for it. Yes, throughout the book he is shown to be out of it and showing signs of dementia. But then he yelled at squirrelflight that he’s judging him about being related to tigerstar, and, *sigh*. Neither characters have ever been in a good relationship in the slightest. Squirrelflight threatening to hit him is horrible, but, just a reminder that the book hasn’t actually come out yet, and it really depends on how it is actually stated in the text. We really should wait till we can quote the book to make final thoughts. (Though this could all age horribly so don’t quote me) One thing I will defend squirrelflight on is the apprentices tasks Nightheart constantly complains about, when it’s common custom that when there are no apprentices, the youngest warriors help out with the tasks. Squirrelflight isn’t specifically targeting him, and he’s not the only one doing them, he is just a moody 19 year old complaining about washing the dishes. Or female characters are capable of misandrist/sexist behavior as well in writing, and should held to the same standards as how male characters are treated in the community. When it's the other way around it's suddenly a mischaracterization narrative, and I find that strange. Regardless of how the scene is written I still find it in poor taste to raise your voice and contemplate hitting your partner who is mentally deteriorating and isn't in sane mind to even make proper decisions. I get if Squirrelflight is frustrated, but it's weird. It's like yelling at an old man who doesn't even fully comprehend what he's doing half the time because of his PTSD and dementia.
I don't know how the books could possibly put any nuance onto that scene unless she's never noted doing either of those things at all and it's just paraphrasing. If not, then her behavior is gross. |
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Post by angyfrog on Oct 19, 2022 21:23:46 GMT -5
would you like a sunbeam gets over blazefire with that combo meal? yes please and could i have a break for fringewhisker with that too please sure, that'll be $25.95 but for a limited time offer you'll get a free tigertwo gets his ass beat |
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Oct 20, 2022 0:00:18 GMT -5
The fact people are defending Squirrelflight's actions because "hurr durr Bramble bad" makes me really irritated.
I like Squirrelflight a lot, but her actions are very gross right now.
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Post by angyfrog on Oct 20, 2022 0:08:12 GMT -5
The fact people are defending Squirrelflight's actions because "hurr durr Bramble bad" makes me really irritated. I like Squirrelflight a lot, but her actions are very gross right now. I'd like to imagine the reason why she's acting so...Brash? Right now would be due to the whole ashfur ordeal, both her and Bramble are struggling hardcore I mean I would too if my ex came out of the heavens, ruin my family, and dragged me to hell with them while harming friends along the way while my husband is forced to sit on the sidelines and witness everything That's not to excuse her actions, her even suggesting to hit Bramble is awful, no partner should even dare hurt the other, but it's clear to me that we're in endgame when it comes to both of them, Bramble being unable to keep a conversation before completely forgetting who he is or where he is, while Squirrel is trying to have complete control over everything but in doing so has made her emotionally unstable, quick to snap and rather harsh |
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Oct 20, 2022 0:11:56 GMT -5
The fact people are defending Squirrelflight's actions because "hurr durr Bramble bad" makes me really irritated. I like Squirrelflight a lot, but her actions are very gross right now. I'd like to imagine the reason why she's acting so...Brash? Right now would be due to the whole ashfur ordeal, both her and Bramble are struggling hardcore I mean I would too if my ex came out of the heavens, ruin my family, and dragged me to hell with them while harming friends along the way while my husband is forced to sit on the sidelines and witness everything That's not to excuse her actions, her even suggesting to hit Bramble is awful, no partner should even dare hurt the other, but it's clear to me that we're in endgame when it comes to both of them, Bramble being unable to keep a conversation before completely forgetting who he is or where he is, while Squirrel is trying to have complete control over everything but in doing so has made her emotionally unstable, quick to snap and rather harsh Sure it can EXPLAIN her actions. But many of her stans are excusing her actions because it's Bramble she's doing this to. If this was the other way around, it would be hell. |
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Post by angyfrog on Oct 20, 2022 0:14:08 GMT -5
I'd like to imagine the reason why she's acting so...Brash? Right now would be due to the whole ashfur ordeal, both her and Bramble are struggling hardcore I mean I would too if my ex came out of the heavens, ruin my family, and dragged me to hell with them while harming friends along the way while my husband is forced to sit on the sidelines and witness everything That's not to excuse her actions, her even suggesting to hit Bramble is awful, no partner should even dare hurt the other, but it's clear to me that we're in endgame when it comes to both of them, Bramble being unable to keep a conversation before completely forgetting who he is or where he is, while Squirrel is trying to have complete control over everything but in doing so has made her emotionally unstable, quick to snap and rather harsh Sure it can EXPLAIN her actions. But many of her stans are excusing her actions because it's Bramble she's doing this to. If this was the other way around, it would be hell. Oh 100% double standards no doubt, if Bramble was the one threatening Squirrel and taking all her authority away the community would be having a big fit about it |
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Oct 20, 2022 0:14:57 GMT -5
Sure it can EXPLAIN her actions. But many of her stans are excusing her actions because it's Bramble she's doing this to. If this was the other way around, it would be hell. Oh 100% double standards no doubt, if Bramble was the one threatening Squirrel and taking all her authority away the community would be having a big fit about it Exactly. How Squirrelflight is acting is lowkey abusive in a way. Whether she means to be or not |
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