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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 18, 2022 21:32:37 GMT -5
what are some things (characters, plot points, so on) that you think the fandom has skewed or otherwise misinterpreted in some way? like there's a widespread belief in something as canon that is actually fanon? can be through writing, fan art, scene analysis, etc.
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 18, 2022 21:50:21 GMT -5
Firestar's death is the first thing that comes to mind!
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Mar 18, 2022 22:32:07 GMT -5
That Bluestar chased Thistleclaw out of StarClan.
Never happened. Lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2022 22:33:42 GMT -5
that sweetpaw being buried alive rumor, if it counts
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 18, 2022 23:02:46 GMT -5
that sweetpaw being buried alive rumor, if it counts the what now
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Post by *•.¸♡𝘥𝘢𝘸𝘯𝘳𝘰𝘴𝘦♡¸.•* on Mar 18, 2022 23:02:47 GMT -5
Graystripe would choose Silverstream in StarClan is one I saw a lot Also that Honeyfern was expecting kits when she died
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Post by dreamingof on Mar 18, 2022 23:34:36 GMT -5
That Sandstorm forced Leafpool to be a medicine cat
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2022 9:40:59 GMT -5
that sweetpaw being buried alive rumor, if it counts the what now for a long time there was a rumor in the fandom that sweetpaw’s death was a coma and she got buried alive. because of this a large chunk of the fandom thought that this was a canon thing established either in the book or by the authors
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Post by twigfrost on Mar 19, 2022 9:42:38 GMT -5
twigbranch not wanting kits because she was spayed
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Post by Aqua on Mar 19, 2022 10:21:45 GMT -5
Ashfur being the father to Dovewing and Ivypool
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 19, 2022 12:08:32 GMT -5
ajdhfjsls i havent heard of most of these before, these are wild. were they really widespread?
tbh i was expecting slightly more nuanced things like “jayfeather only became a medicine cat because he was blind”, or fans treating one of several possible interpretations as canon. not straight up fake news lol
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Post by kells on Mar 19, 2022 14:33:54 GMT -5
Am I the only one who recalls a rumor about Sparkpelt being dumped by Larksong for another she-cat?
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Post by jujiaanne on Mar 19, 2022 18:49:53 GMT -5
i honestly cant think of any right now by myself but i swear warrior cat funfact videos on yt were FULL of just blatantly made up or fake information all the time
update: i went to check out one to refresh the facts and straight off the bat the first fun fact is "yellowfang knew about cinderpelts feelinga for firestar" which is never implied by the bulk of the the story i also want to add that neither is the idea that cinderpelt had feeling for firestar in the first place? i reckon that came from an author somewhere or maybe somebody interpreted cinderpaw being lovely as her having a crush on fireheart, but we have no perspective opinion from cinderpelt at all, which first of all, is upsetting, I'd LOVE a cinderpelt special edition which attributes to her journey, but otherwise i feel like its super strange to claim that she had a crush on fireheart when her behaviour doesnt allude to that being true☹️
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Post by ᴋᴀᴛɴɪꜱꜱ on Mar 19, 2022 20:13:29 GMT -5
Leafpool loving Ashfur. All because of that one scene where Jayfeather probes her thoughts and feels her deep sadness and guilt for his death, and questions whether or not she had feelings for him. Even though it’s clearly was feeling guilty because her revealing the prophecy with Brambleclaw’s and Squirrelflight’s Star paths intertwining across the lake partially played a role in Squirrelflight’s decision between the 2. Never understood how people misinterpreted it. I mean Ashfur & Leafpool hardly even interact from what I remember. I agree with you, but I’ve always seen it has Leafpool feeling guilty because it was her daughter who killed him. [If Leafpool never ran off with Crowfeather and having kits, then Ashfur would still be alive.] Another misconception some people think that Hollyleaf killed Ashfur on accident.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 19, 2022 20:44:19 GMT -5
Leafpool loving Ashfur. All because of that one scene where Jayfeather probes her thoughts and feels her deep sadness and guilt for his death, and questions whether or not she had feelings for him. Even though it’s clearly was feeling guilty because her revealing the prophecy with Brambleclaw’s and Squirrelflight’s Star paths intertwining across the lake partially played a role in Squirrelflight’s decision between the 2. Never understood how people misinterpreted it. I mean Ashfur & Leafpool hardly even interact from what I remember. ...That is so ridiculous. I don't even know how a fan would come to that conclusion. I'm also sure Leafpool felt guilty because her daughter did it, and she had to hide the evidence. Leafpool usually doesn't seem like the type to hide evidence from a murder, so I'm sure that made her feel bad too
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Post by Brambleshadow on Mar 19, 2022 20:58:09 GMT -5
Leafpool loving Ashfur. All because of that one scene where Jayfeather probes her thoughts and feels her deep sadness and guilt for his death, and questions whether or not she had feelings for him. Even though it’s clearly was feeling guilty because her revealing the prophecy with Brambleclaw’s and Squirrelflight’s Star paths intertwining across the lake partially played a role in Squirrelflight’s decision between the 2. Never understood how people misinterpreted it. I mean Ashfur & Leafpool hardly even interact from what I remember. I agree with you, but I’ve always seen it has Leafpool feeling guilty because it was her daughter who killed him. [If Leafpool never ran off with Crowfeather and having kits, then Ashfur would still be alive.] Another misconception some people think that Hollyleaf killed Ashfur on accident. I'm pretty sure the "Hollyleaf killed Ashfur on accident" thing comes from Brambleclaw lying in The Forgotten Warrior to save Hollyleaf's skin in front of ThunderClan, which later made its way into The Ultimate Guide as the version of what "really" happened, even though we see from Hollyleaf's own memories in Sunrise that she deliberately killed Ashfur in cold blood.
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Post by Emeraldripple on Mar 19, 2022 21:05:09 GMT -5
I don't know if this is still as prevalent, but I remember people used to write entire wattpad fanfics about Breezepelt, Crowfeather, and Nightcloud's possible family dynamic and prop them up as canon (more often than not to argue that any of these fully-grown characters couldn't possibly be held accountable for their own actions).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2022 23:04:48 GMT -5
Firestar dying to the tree.
Cinderpelt's leg being a skinned mangled mess in fanart. Or claw marks on her leg.
Brightheart and Swiftpaw being in love/Swiftpaw being her mate before Cloudtail
Squirrelflight breaking down sobbing and screaming in the fire scene. Like in 90% of fanworks she is in complete hysterics crying her damn eyes out, when in reality she was stone-faced and angry. The Rory MAP did it right. ASHFUR was the one crying and carrying on.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 19, 2022 23:07:59 GMT -5
i honestly cant think of any right now by myself but i swear warrior cat funfact videos on yt were FULL of just blatantly made up or fake information all the time update: i went to check out one to refresh the facts and straight off the bat the first fun fact is "yellowfang knew about cinderpelts feelinga for firestar" which is never implied by the bulk of the the story i also want to add that neither is the idea that cinderpelt had feeling for firestar in the first place? i reckon that came from an author somewhere or maybe somebody interpreted cinderpaw being lovely as her having a crush on fireheart, but we have no perspective opinion from cinderpelt at all, which first of all, is upsetting, I'd LOVE a cinderpelt special edition which attributes to her journey, but otherwise i feel like its super strange to claim that she had a crush on fireheart when her behaviour doesnt allude to that being true☹️ cinderpelt's feelings for firestar were implied in Twilight (the scene where Cinderpelt confronts Leafpool right before she runs away with Crowfeather). i believe Cinderheart implies it even more heavily in Night Whispers when she regains Cinderpelt's memories
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Post by Cloudstorm on Mar 20, 2022 0:12:16 GMT -5
Saint Ambrosef Said. There’s also the scene between Cinderpelt & Sandstorm getting into their girl spat because Sandstorm is obviously jealous about the attention Cinderpelt gives to Fireheart( in either Rising Storm or A dangeorus Path, forget which given it has been awhile since I’ve read the first arc) amongst various offer hints that Cinderpelt was crushing on him when she was his apprentice. But he’s too much of a blockhead to be privy to them . Now, to mention something a little more nuanced that’s misinterpreted by many people that I’ve seen. Is that Hawkheart murdered Moonflower solely to defend his clans herb supplies and that he was completely justified in doing so. Even though he’s noted to have been Windclans fiercest and most aggressive Warrior before being called to be a medicine cat, and stated by Vicky to be a malicious and dark-hearted cat that enjoyed bloodshed and even went to the Dark Forest(though she did reverse that statement years later sort of, by saying that she wasn’t sure if he did on her Facebook page, but given he’s never made an appearance in either afterlife’s, neither is officially canonized), which is further emphasized by how overly eager he is to shred bluepaw in the battle against Windclan when she’s only been a paw for 2 sunrises. Another would be that in almost every MAP/PMV and fanart illustration. Brambleclaw is depicted as being a belligerent, monstrous snarling jerk throwing a tantrum when the secret is revealed about the 3 at the gathering, when in reality he’s shown as being heartbroken and tore up by the revelation when he asks her why she couldn’t trust him, and then tells her “it’s to late” and walks away. He never lashes out or becomes aggressive or makes any kind of scene afterwards besides his initial outburst. Yet it’s always heavily dramatized for some reason.
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Mar 20, 2022 3:12:57 GMT -5
That Darkstripe tried to r@pe Ferncloud and that was why she was nervous about getting him as a mentor. Absolutely disgusting, and I'm not sure why anyone would believe that to be true. The authors would never state something like that.
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Post by twigfrost on Mar 20, 2022 7:30:31 GMT -5
That Darkstripe tried to r@pe Ferncloud and that was why she was nervous about getting him as a mentor. Absolutely disgusting, and I'm not sure why anyone would believe that to be true. The authors would never state something like that. those warrior cat fun ‘fact’ videos caused this one. it’s terrible how people will come up with the worse stuff to try and claim it as a actual fact. oh, that reminds me of one! that squirrelflight chose brambleclaw over ashfur because she had ashfur’s kits but they were all stillborn.
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Post by dreamingof on Mar 20, 2022 7:59:00 GMT -5
i honestly cant think of any right now by myself but i swear warrior cat funfact videos on yt were FULL of just blatantly made up or fake information all the time update: i went to check out one to refresh the facts and straight off the bat the first fun fact is "yellowfang knew about cinderpelts feelinga for firestar" which is never implied by the bulk of the the story i also want to add that neither is the idea that cinderpelt had feeling for firestar in the first place? i reckon that came from an author somewhere or maybe somebody interpreted cinderpaw being lovely as her having a crush on fireheart, but we have no perspective opinion from cinderpelt at all, which first of all, is upsetting, I'd LOVE a cinderpelt special edition which attributes to her journey, but otherwise i feel like its super strange to claim that she had a crush on fireheart when her behaviour doesnt allude to that being true☹️ The whole Cinderpelt having a crush on Firestar idea was canonized in the books at the end of River of Fire when she tells Alderheart about it.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Mar 20, 2022 17:07:10 GMT -5
i honestly cant think of any right now by myself but i swear warrior cat funfact videos on yt were FULL of just blatantly made up or fake information all the time update: i went to check out one to refresh the facts and straight off the bat the first fun fact is "yellowfang knew about cinderpelts feelinga for firestar" which is never implied by the bulk of the the story i also want to add that neither is the idea that cinderpelt had feeling for firestar in the first place? i reckon that came from an author somewhere or maybe somebody interpreted cinderpaw being lovely as her having a crush on fireheart, but we have no perspective opinion from cinderpelt at all, which first of all, is upsetting, I'd LOVE a cinderpelt special edition which attributes to her journey, but otherwise i feel like its super strange to claim that she had a crush on fireheart when her behaviour doesnt allude to that being true☹️ It was confirmed in canon that Cinderpelt loved Firestar: Cinderpelt: "I loved Firestar, but I chose my duty over the hope that he would love me, and it was the right choice. ThunderClan needs you, Alderheart, just as it needed me. For the future to remain unclouded, medicine cats must choose their duty to their Clan over anything else." Alderheart: "I understand, but it's hard." Cinderpelt: "True, but the rewards are great. And now... now that the five Clans are finally united once more, there will be new challenges. The sky has cleared at last, but the Clans must come together to make the forest grow." —Cinderpelt and Alderheart in River of Fire, page 281
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Mar 20, 2022 17:22:39 GMT -5
Squirrelflight miscarrying Ashfur's kits. Worse theory ever.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 20, 2022 19:12:01 GMT -5
I think the most blatant ones are when the fandoms twist characters and pass around information that's obviously not true.
I remember the "Bramblebad" art thumbnail portraying it like Bramble was towering over Squirrel, and abusing her or something when it came to their relationship? So since, notably, a lot of people have pretty much portrayed him as an abusive, heartless jerk, that never cared about Squirrelflight. While Squirrel is a "girl boss" that can do no wrong and deserved better. Honestly, one of the worst eras to go through in the fandom.
The whole Star Flower glorification was an awful thing to sit through. People quickly justified her behavior and how she treated Thunder, even saying Thunder was the one in the wrong, which is?? Sleekwhisker got a similar "girlbossification" in the fandom, for StarClan knows what reason.
And then now more recently the Frecklewish situation, where people have been victimizing her to the point of twisting the events of the river, and her actions, to defend her character. Which on its own was exhausting. If I had a nickel for every time I've seen someone claim or depict the idea that Frecklewish saw the patrol helping Mapleshade before she left, I'd be rich.
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Post by tema on Mar 21, 2022 0:47:53 GMT -5
This is a good thread. I think one of the common ones I've seen is that StarClan creates the prophecies which get sent down to the living world, and some confusion for how that works resulting. (...)which is further emphasized by how overly eager he is to shred bluepaw in the battle against Windclan when she’s only been a paw for 2 sunrises. It's bad enough that he just kills someone for the thrill of it, but later passes this in the next Gathering: To me, at least, the dude's close to meaning "hey, remember that battle where I killed your mom? Wasn't that something?" Absolute **** move on his part. His only saving grace in that book was that he wasn't as bad as Thistle. I remember the "Bramblebad" art thumbnail portraying it like Bramble was towering over Squirrel, and abusing her or something when it came to their relationship? So since, notably, a lot of people have pretty much portrayed him as an abusive, heartless jerk, that never cared about Squirrelflight. While Squirrel is a "girl boss" that can do no wrong and deserved better. Honestly, one of the worst eras to go through in the fandom. That video, and the reaction from it, made me start to go from being disassociated with this fandom to outright loathing it. And the worst part is that I've watched it over seven times from arguing with people during that era, and can still find new problems with it on rewatching.
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Post by Rio on Mar 21, 2022 8:23:02 GMT -5
Just in general, a large portion of the fandom only being able to see the characters as clear cut "good" or "bad". Characters in the warriors fandom literally can't seem to exist somewhere else along the moral spectrum.
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