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Post by Aqua on Dec 26, 2021 11:02:33 GMT -5
Why is she so popular? I don't think she's that great, but that's just me.
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Post by flipwish on Dec 26, 2021 11:14:23 GMT -5
what do you mean. I've never heard anyone talk about "squirrel flight" ever
jokes aside she's a major character who's been around for ages I'd be surprised if she wasn't popular to some extent
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Dec 26, 2021 11:16:21 GMT -5
More positive content is being made on her, and some very major WC Youtuber's have also spoken on her in a positive light. Plus you have to remember that most of the fandom is very young so they tend to like what their favorite creator's like.(Not that it's a bad thing, I am one of those younger people) At least that's my conclusion as to why she has become so popular this year.
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Post by rabbit on Dec 26, 2021 11:25:08 GMT -5
Because her love triangle in TNP and the Po3 drama makes her interesting. There are sooo many MAPs of her because this. I canβt tell you how many times Iβve seen the fire scene animated cause itβs too many.
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Post by Aqua on Dec 26, 2021 11:29:33 GMT -5
what do you mean. I've never heard anyone talk about "squirrel flight" ever jokes aside she's a major character who's been around for ages I'd be surprised if she wasn't popular to some extent Lmao for a moment I thought you were series and raised an eyebrow.
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Post by vectoring34 on Dec 26, 2021 11:40:45 GMT -5
She is part of the Ashfur plot, which is a very popular plot by itself, that alone would make her popular. Moreover, she got a video done on her by Moonkitti, who is a big influencer in the community. She also happens to be written extremely consistently over a long period of time.
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Post by π±ππππππππππ on Dec 26, 2021 12:31:00 GMT -5
I think Squirrelflight was still a more controversial character (or rather that opinions about her were more divided back then due to the situations with Ashfur, Brambleclaw and the Original Three) until roughly a year ago when Moonkitti released her "Bramblestar is Worse" video and some other popular Warrior Cats commentary channels and content creators have also voiced their positive view of her role and personality. But yeah, the other reason why a lot of people like or even love her is probably because she is a confident cat in the series who is very consistently written as such. Except in Squirrelflight's Hope. I still don't know why that even had to happen at all. But Bramblestar was definitely worse there, in my opinion.
Personally, I adore Squirrelflight but just wish that her surge in popularity did not have to come at the cost of invalidating the feelings of those fans who still do not like her or even other actual characters in the story. I've seen a rise of the opinion, for example, that Brambleclaw did not have a right to be angry at her for lying about their adoptive kits because she meant well or that even Hollyleaf, Lionblaze and Jayfeather themselves should not have been mad at her since she never wanted to hurt them. That's not how it works. Even though it's true that Squirrelflight did not keep Leafpool's truth a secret out of any malicious intentions, doesn't mean those who felt betrayed by her and her sister's actions should not have been allowed to express their disappointment in them. I have even seen numerous people claim Bramblestar is against adoption altogether due to this despite him forgiving Squirrelflight and still having a fatherly relationship with Leafpool's kits/being regarded as their father figure in canon. Sorry for the rant but I needed to get this out of my system.
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Post by seantheskyhunter on Dec 26, 2021 12:56:42 GMT -5
I think Squirrelflight was still a more controversial character (or rather that opinions about her were more divided back then due to the situations with Ashfur, Brambleclaw and the Original Three) until roughly a year ago when Moonkitti released her "Bramblestar is Worse" video and some other popular Warrior Cats commentary channels and content creators have also voiced their positive view of her role and personality. But yeah, the other reason why a lot of people like or even love her is probably because she is a confident cat in the series who is very consistently written as such. Except in Squirrelflight's Hope. I still don't know why that even had to happen at all. But Bramblestar was definitely worse there, in my opinion. Personally, I adore Squirrelflight but just wish that her surge in popularity did not have to come at the cost of invalidating the feelings of those fans who still do not like her or even other actual characters in the story. I've seen a rise of the opinion, for example, that Brambleclaw did not have a right to be angry at her for lying about their adoptive kits because she meant well or that even Hollyleaf, Lionblaze and Jayfeather themselves should not have been mad at her since she never wanted to hurt them. That's not how it works. Even though it's true that Squirrelflight did not keep Leafpool's truth a secret out of any malicious intentions, doesn't mean those who felt betrayed by her and her sister's actions should not have been allowed to express their disappointment in them. I have even seen numerous people claim Bramblestar is against adoption altogether due to this despite him forgiving Squirrelflight and still having a fatherly relationship with Leafpool's kits/being regarded as their father figure in canon. Sorry for the rant but I needed to get this out of my system. I hate Bramble is worse from all my heart
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Post by π±ππππππππππ on Dec 26, 2021 13:11:22 GMT -5
I think Squirrelflight was still a more controversial character (or rather that opinions about her were more divided back then due to the situations with Ashfur, Brambleclaw and the Original Three) until roughly a year ago when Moonkitti released her "Bramblestar is Worse" video and some other popular Warrior Cats commentary channels and content creators have also voiced their positive view of her role and personality. But yeah, the other reason why a lot of people like or even love her is probably because she is a confident cat in the series who is very consistently written as such. Except in Squirrelflight's Hope. I still don't know why that even had to happen at all. But Bramblestar was definitely worse there, in my opinion. Personally, I adore Squirrelflight but just wish that her surge in popularity did not have to come at the cost of invalidating the feelings of those fans who still do not like her or even other actual characters in the story. I've seen a rise of the opinion, for example, that Brambleclaw did not have a right to be angry at her for lying about their adoptive kits because she meant well or that even Hollyleaf, Lionblaze and Jayfeather themselves should not have been mad at her since she never wanted to hurt them. That's not how it works. Even though it's true that Squirrelflight did not keep Leafpool's truth a secret out of any malicious intentions, doesn't mean those who felt betrayed by her and her sister's actions should not have been allowed to express their disappointment in them. I have even seen numerous people claim Bramblestar is against adoption altogether due to this despite him forgiving Squirrelflight and still having a fatherly relationship with Leafpool's kits/being regarded as their father figure in canon. Sorry for the rant but I needed to get this out of my system. I hate Bramble is worse from all my heart And you are entitled to your opinion. I personally do not agree with every point Moonkitti talks about in that video but overall can see how Bramblestar comes off as worse in comparison to how they treat each other. Especially in Squirrelflight's Hope.
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Dec 26, 2021 13:14:04 GMT -5
I hate Bramble is worse from all my heart And you are entitled to your opinion. I personally do not agree with every point Moonkitti talks about in that video but overall can see how Bramblestar comes off as worse in comparison to how they treat each other. Especially in Squirrelflight's Hope. Just curious, have you seen Quiet Rage's video on the topic of SquirrelBramble?
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Post by πdappleπ (formerly freckle) on Dec 26, 2021 13:19:56 GMT -5
Quiet's video honestly may be the take I understand and can agree with most on the whole Squirrelbramble issue. And it's not even because I agree with all her points on either side, but it's the idea that she goes and gives Bramble and Squirrel both a fair shot at critique
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Post by π±ππππππππππ on Dec 26, 2021 13:26:28 GMT -5
And you are entitled to your opinion. I personally do not agree with every point Moonkitti talks about in that video but overall can see how Bramblestar comes off as worse in comparison to how they treat each other. Especially in Squirrelflight's Hope. Just curious, have you seen Quiet Rage's video on the topic of SquirrelBramble? I have! And actually planned on sharing it on here but then my old computer broke down while I was creating a thread about it and I thought it was a sign not to post it. Do you think I still should? Perhaps asking one of the mods first would be best since there is quite a bit of swearing in that video. But yeah anyways, I saw Quiet Rage's take on this matter and must say that I agree with them for the most part. To me, Bramble claw is not written as abusive but Bramble star sadly is. It's such a shame how much his character changed mostly in the wrong direction after his time as an apprentice in TPB.
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Post by Aqua on Dec 26, 2021 13:29:38 GMT -5
I think Squirrelflight was still a more controversial character (or rather that opinions about her were more divided back then due to the situations with Ashfur, Brambleclaw and the Original Three) until roughly a year ago when Moonkitti released her "Bramblestar is Worse" video and some other popular Warrior Cats commentary channels and content creators have also voiced their positive view of her role and personality. But yeah, the other reason why a lot of people like or even love her is probably because she is a confident cat in the series who is very consistently written as such. Except in Squirrelflight's Hope. I still don't know why that even had to happen at all. But Bramblestar was definitely worse there, in my opinion. Personally, I adore Squirrelflight but just wish that her surge in popularity did not have to come at the cost of invalidating the feelings of those fans who still do not like her or even other actual characters in the story. I've seen a rise of the opinion, for example, that Brambleclaw did not have a right to be angry at her for lying about their adoptive kits because she meant well or that even Hollyleaf, Lionblaze and Jayfeather themselves should not have been mad at her since she never wanted to hurt them. That's not how it works. Even though it's true that Squirrelflight did not keep Leafpool's truth a secret out of any malicious intentions, doesn't mean those who felt betrayed by her and her sister's actions should not have been allowed to express their disappointment in them. I have even seen numerous people claim Bramblestar is against adoption altogether due to this despite him forgiving Squirrelflight and still having a fatherly relationship with Leafpool's kits/being regarded as their father figure in canon. Sorry for the rant but I needed to get this out of my system. Squirrelflightβs Hope shouldn't even be canon. She and Bramblestar were completely out of character, and it doesn't help that Kate wrote the book and made him look horrible out of bias.
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Post by π±ππππππππππ on Dec 26, 2021 13:47:53 GMT -5
I think Squirrelflight was still a more controversial character (or rather that opinions about her were more divided back then due to the situations with Ashfur, Brambleclaw and the Original Three) until roughly a year ago when Moonkitti released her "Bramblestar is Worse" video and some other popular Warrior Cats commentary channels and content creators have also voiced their positive view of her role and personality. But yeah, the other reason why a lot of people like or even love her is probably because she is a confident cat in the series who is very consistently written as such. Except in Squirrelflight's Hope. I still don't know why that even had to happen at all. But Bramblestar was definitely worse there, in my opinion. Personally, I adore Squirrelflight but just wish that her surge in popularity did not have to come at the cost of invalidating the feelings of those fans who still do not like her or even other actual characters in the story. I've seen a rise of the opinion, for example, that Brambleclaw did not have a right to be angry at her for lying about their adoptive kits because she meant well or that even Hollyleaf, Lionblaze and Jayfeather themselves should not have been mad at her since she never wanted to hurt them. That's not how it works. Even though it's true that Squirrelflight did not keep Leafpool's truth a secret out of any malicious intentions, doesn't mean those who felt betrayed by her and her sister's actions should not have been allowed to express their disappointment in them. I have even seen numerous people claim Bramblestar is against adoption altogether due to this despite him forgiving Squirrelflight and still having a fatherly relationship with Leafpool's kits/being regarded as their father figure in canon. Sorry for the rant but I needed to get this out of my system. Squirrelflightβs Hope shouldn't even be canon. She and Bramblestar were completely out of character, and it doesn't help that Kate wrote the book and made him look horrible out of bias. Agreed! But I actually found out still fairly recently (somewhere this year) that Kate also doesn't like Squirrelflight much. So in my opinion, she should not be writing any books that contain love drama regarding BrambleSquirrel since she dislikes them both quite a bit. Bramblestar for "stealing the deputy position from her favorite character Graystripe" and Squirrelflight for...I don't even know why.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Dec 26, 2021 14:00:19 GMT -5
She's a consistently written character that actually has a personality and plays an imperative role in many of the plots in the series. plus having support from the most influential content creators in the fandom certainly don't hurt. and she also cashes in pretty heavily on the sole fact that She's a 'Strong Female Character" which automatically activates the +400% boost effect to her popularity stats. which has been a recurring phenomenon more recently in storytelling across all media, literature/video games/Movies etc. which has resulted in an influx of poorly-written, bland and tasteless, no personality uninteresting, non-compelling paper-cutout female characters with no substance behind them, because they were created for the sole purpose so that the creator can capitalize on the mass marketing, and advertisement opportunities and often times brown-nosed praise they'll receive from having strong female representation, even though the actual character might be the flattest thing imaginable. while this isn't true in Squirrelflight's case as she does have a very distinct, and compelling character, even though she can be very intransigent and obstinate and quite arrogant and selfish at times, it's in the eye of the beholder to determine if those things make her a great or aggravating character or not. And given the imbalance between the amount of male and female protagonists we receive in this series, naturally people are going to gravitate and give praise to the few female characters we do get. whether its warranted or brown-nosed praise is a sticky situation.
Note: I have zero problems with female characters, or female representation, and love any well-written, compelling, intriguing female character based on their own merits equally to any male character. just highlighting the fact that oftentimes Female characters will receive more abundant praise from the fact. even though the character may just be another cardboard-cutout used by the creator as means of apple-polishing the audience. a means of ingratiating them and garnering potentially undeserved praise from a sloppy, lazy egregious method of being predatory and taking advantage of what the consumer wants, without devoting the slightest bit of actual effort to properly represent it in an appropriate or favorable manner.
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Post by tema on Dec 26, 2021 14:13:20 GMT -5
I think Squirrelflight was still a more controversial character (or rather that opinions about her were more divided back then due to the situations with Ashfur, Brambleclaw and the Original Three) until roughly a year ago when Moonkitti released her "Bramblestar is Worse" video and some other popular Warrior Cats commentary channels and content creators have also voiced their positive view of her role and personality. But yeah, the other reason why a lot of people like or even love her is probably because she is a confident cat in the series who is very consistently written as such. Except in Squirrelflight's Hope. I still don't know why that even had to happen at all. But Bramblestar was definitely worse there, in my opinion. Personally, I adore Squirrelflight but just wish that her surge in popularity did not have to come at the cost of invalidating the feelings of those fans who still do not like her or even other actual characters in the story. I've seen a rise of the opinion, for example, that Brambleclaw did not have a right to be angry at her for lying about their adoptive kits because she meant well or that even Hollyleaf, Lionblaze and Jayfeather themselves should not have been mad at her since she never wanted to hurt them. That's not how it works. Even though it's true that Squirrelflight did not keep Leafpool's truth a secret out of any malicious intentions, doesn't mean those who felt betrayed by her and her sister's actions should not have been allowed to express their disappointment in them. I have even seen numerous people claim Bramblestar is against adoption altogether due to this despite him forgiving Squirrelflight and still having a fatherly relationship with Leafpool's kits/being regarded as their father figure in canon. Sorry for the rant but I needed to get this out of my system. Squirrelflightβs Hope shouldn't even be canon. She and Bramblestar were completely out of character, and it doesn't help that Kate wrote the book and made him look horrible out of bias. I would argue that both of them act in-character in that book, which is the problem since nobody really examines what that means. Moonkitti's awful take didn't help things there, and because of her emotional manipulation in that video, nobody with any real influence will question it Squirrelflight has been a more prominent character than Fireheart by SH. Her lineage has caused her to be in the spotlight for most of the saga. Without family, she wonders if she's outdated. She WANTS more children so that she can feel responsible for something, but really NEEDS to feel that she's still useful to the Clan as her involvement shifts towards a more modest role in Clan life. Bramblestar's role sees him grappling with power and family again, this time adding responsibility to the mix. There's no correct answer for any question he's presented, so he's forced, again, to choose between his family and his Clan. Edit: Hello, visitor.
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Dec 26, 2021 15:07:06 GMT -5
Just curious, have you seen Quiet Rage's video on the topic of SquirrelBramble? I have! And actually planned on sharing it on here but then my old computer broke down while I was creating a thread about it and I thought it was a sign not to post it. Do you think I still should? Perhaps asking one of the mods first would be best since there is quite a bit of swearing in that video. But yeah anyways, I saw Quiet Rage's take on this matter and must say that I agree with them for the most part. To me, Bramble claw is not written as abusive but Bramble star sadly is. It's such a shame how much his character changed mostly in the wrong direction after his time as an apprentice in TPB. If you want to make the thread then feel free to. I really liked moonkitti's video on the pairing, but I agree with Quiet Rage's opinion on it more.
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Post by π±ππππππππππ on Dec 26, 2021 15:09:23 GMT -5
I have! And actually planned on sharing it on here but then my old computer broke down while I was creating a thread about it and I thought it was a sign not to post it. Do you think I still should? Perhaps asking one of the mods first would be best since there is quite a bit of swearing in that video. But yeah anyways, I saw Quiet Rage's take on this matter and must say that I agree with them for the most part. To me, Bramble claw is not written as abusive but Bramble star sadly is. It's such a shame how much his character changed mostly in the wrong direction after his time as an apprentice in TPB. If you want to make the thread then feel free to. I really liked moonkitti's video on the pairing, but I agree with Quiet Rage's opinion on it more. I already PMd Sand about it and I'm still waiting for their reply. Don't want to get into trouble on here by posting something containing swearing and the occasional f bomb without asking for permission from a mod first.
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Post by Aqua on Dec 26, 2021 15:24:57 GMT -5
Squirrelflightβs Hope shouldn't even be canon. She and Bramblestar were completely out of character, and it doesn't help that Kate wrote the book and made him look horrible out of bias. I would argue that both of them act in-character in that book, which is the problem since nobody really examines what that means. Moonkitti's awful take didn't help things there, and because of her emotional manipulation in that video, nobody with any real influence will question it Swuirrelflight has been a more prominent character than Fireheart by SH. Her lineage has caused her to be in the spotlight for most of the saga. Without family, she wonders if she's outdated. She WANTS more children so that she can feel responsible for something, but really NEEDS to feel that she's still useful to the Clan as her involvement shifts towards a more modest role in Clan life. Bramblestar's role sees him grappling with power and family again, this time adding responsibility to the mix. There's no correct answer for any question he's presented, so he's forced, again, to choose between his family and his Clan. Squirrelflight always made it harder for him because she felt loyalty to the Sisters. I understand she was trying to do the right thing but she put a lot of pressure and got ThunderClan and Bramblestar involved with their problems because she wanted to help a group of rogues.. I appreciate her compassion with them but her involvement with Moonlight made things so much worse..
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Post by tema on Dec 26, 2021 17:11:48 GMT -5
I would argue that both of them act in-character in that book, which is the problem since nobody really examines what that means. Moonkitti's awful take didn't help things there, and because of her emotional manipulation in that video, nobody with any real influence will question it Swuirrelflight has been a more prominent character than Fireheart by SH. Her lineage has caused her to be in the spotlight for most of the saga. Without family, she wonders if she's outdated. She WANTS more children so that she can feel responsible for something, but really NEEDS to feel that she's still useful to the Clan as her involvement shifts towards a more modest role in Clan life. Bramblestar's role sees him grappling with power and family again, this time adding responsibility to the mix. There's no correct answer for any question he's presented, so he's forced, again, to choose between his family and his Clan. Squirrelflight always made it harder for him because she felt loyalty to the Sisters. I understand she was trying to do the right thing but she put a lot of pressure and got ThunderClan and Bramblestar involved with their problems because she wanted to help a group of rogues.. I appreciate her compassion with them but her involvement with Moonlight made things so much worse.. I'm of the minority opinion that a lot of what happens in Squirrelflight's Hope is in fact Squirrelflight's fault, and think the Sisters are trash. Having said that, though, I can't really fault her too much for having an infatuation with the Sisters early in the story. By the time Squirrelflight meets them in the story, she hasn't realized the difference between her want verses her need, or, to put it plainly, she hasn't realized that more children won't fill the void in her life. The Sisters's entire lifestyle pretty much caters to what she wants, since they're a group of cats immediately outside of the politics pulling her mate away, don't worry about toms re-mating after one of their passing (as toms aren't in the picture), and each member is dedicated to raising children, which means that each of them is gets to constantly be a mother. It's perfectly fair for her to want to get involved with them out of a naive curiosity since she's still using them to realize her own inner desires; it isn't until later on when she oversteps her bounds by demanding one of them be healed that this becomes controversial in terms of the outside conflict.
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Post by αΉ’anΙypawβ’ on Dec 26, 2021 18:18:38 GMT -5
Because of the whole Ashfur and fire scene drama, she played the main role in which is insanely popular in this fandom. Or, maybe because she's likable to many people and became popular that way especially when more popular creators made videos about her.
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Post by dreamingof on Dec 26, 2021 21:45:39 GMT -5
I think her rise in popularity over the past few years could be attributed to the positive views a lot of current warrior cats content creators have on her. Back when I joined the fandom in 2013 when rant videos, character ask blogs and tribute music videos were popular, Squirrelflight was portrayed more as a "I don't care what anyone thinks, I'll do what I want. I'm a heart-breaking, independent woman who is kind of annoying." character, so she's always been controversial with fans to some degree. I remember her being disliked for being chosen as deputy in TLH, which was the assumed ending of the modern arc books at the time. A lot more people have voiced their positive feelings on Squirrelflight recently and those people happen to be the ones with the biggest voices in the fandom, so it boosts the attention Squirrelflight gets. I think if say, Lionblaze or Tawnypelt were fan favorites amongst well-known creators, a similar situation would occur where they would become popular. Additionally, there are a lot of positive qualities for people to like about Squirrelflight, she has nostalgic appeal to older readers (2nd arc character), she has been involved in interesting conflicts, she continues to have relevance in modern stories, and she is featured in one of the most iconic scenes of the entire book series (fire scene).
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Post by ππ₯πππ€π¬π¨π₯ on Dec 27, 2021 5:14:26 GMT -5
She is not only very complex, but she is also a very major character in the series. Popular YouTubers make videos defending her (Bright Guardian Akira, Moonkitti), the drama she is involved in is very interesting. She is inspiring, and many people love the fact that she can be selfish and selfless at the same time.
Overall, I like her because she is such a complex character. There is a lot to think about.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Dec 27, 2021 11:00:58 GMT -5
A lot of kids liked her βyoung and spunkyβ personality in TNP. Also, she didnt really become very controversial until she became deputy iirc.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Dec 27, 2021 11:42:31 GMT -5
A lot of kids liked her βyoung and spunkyβ personality in TNP. Also, she didnt really become very controversial until she became deputy iirc. believe it was after Leafpoolβs Wish and Bramblestarβs Storm released that she became much more controversial. With Yellowfang guilt-tripping Squirrelflight into taking the kits, and the uprising of people that started defending her and justifying her keeping their identities secret from Brambleclaw. And Bramblestarβs Storm, though a really good book imo, was blatantly just a Money grab banking off BramblexSquirrel still being insanely popular, arguably still the most popular at the time. Then the retcon in the manga that sparked a lot of steam, and also made people more sympathetic towards Squirrelflight and much more forgiving regarding the situation overall. And Bramblestarβs mid-stage character assassination has certainly tipped the scales immensely in her favor lately.
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Post by π±ππππππππππ on Dec 27, 2021 17:16:25 GMT -5
Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam I got Sand's reply and did not receive permission to post Quiet Rage's BrambleSquirrel video on here for several reasons including the extensive swearing and f bombs which is understandable. So there's that.
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Post by Aqua on Dec 28, 2021 13:35:12 GMT -5
Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam I got Sand's reply and did not receive permission to post Quiet Rage's BrambleSquirrel video on here for several reasons including the extensive swearing and f bombs which is understandable. So there's that. Sending videos from popular people also causes lots of drama so there's that.
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Post by π±ππππππππππ on Dec 28, 2021 15:29:39 GMT -5
Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam I got Sand's reply and did not receive permission to post Quiet Rage's BrambleSquirrel video on here for several reasons including the extensive swearing and f bombs which is understandable. So there's that. Sending videos from popular people also causes lots of drama so there's that. True. But since Moonkitti's "Bramblestar is Worse" video as well as the "Quick Ashfur Addendum" by her got shared on here as well, I just thought it would only be fair to discuss a different perspective on the BrambleSquirrel matter. Quiet Rage (24,100 subs) also isn't nearly as popular of a WC Youtuber like Moonkitti (207,000 subs) is. Then again, Moonkitti does not swear or uses f bombs (in her videos) while Quiet Rage does. So that's the end of the matter, at least on the forums.
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