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Easing back in
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Oct 31, 2021 12:11:39 GMT -5
The thing that bothers me, is that out of all the POV character we've had that they could have had died in a dramatic way like this to end an arc should have been Lionblaze. His arc has been over and they just made him more and more annoying. Yeah, Bramblestar should have died as well, but we were due before this arc and honestly, he was best choice.
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 31, 2021 12:11:48 GMT -5
If that happened, everyone would be complaining that the resolution of the plot was all about Squirrelflight and Bramblestar and not about the actual main characters of this arc. Squirrel and Bramble should have died, but not in that way. They already stole a majority of the focus though? But now it's just all for nothing because there's no proper pay out. Bramblestar gets possessed, and Squirrelflight goes through heck to get him back, then Bristlefrost gets used as the plot scape goat in their place so neither Squirrel or Bramble die in the end. If anything it should have been Squirrelflight.
I can say it would make no sense to go through all that effort to bring back Bramble only for him to die the next book for good, would make all the lives up to that point that died for nothing. Squirrel also had her personal issues with Ashfur for obvious reasons, so it made sense she'd sacrifice herself to end her and Ashfur's final feud and protect her clan as their deputy. It would have been MUCH more redeeming for her character at this point in the series. It shouldn't have been Bristlefrost that died imo. Exactly this! It's really less about who died and more about the lack of actual consequences. Bramblestar and Squirrelflight were perfect sacrifices already. There's a reason why so many people were expecting at least one of them to bite the dust. They didn't even have to be the ones to defeat Ashfur, just the fact that they died at all would've been enough.
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Post by Hollyfall on Oct 31, 2021 12:12:46 GMT -5
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
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All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 31, 2021 12:13:50 GMT -5
Really? Wow, that's interesting! And this just makes me like RiverClan even more. And Firestar apparently has a PoV again. I've missed him so much!
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Post by kells on Oct 31, 2021 12:15:40 GMT -5
They already stole a majority of the focus though? But now it's just all for nothing because there's no proper pay out. Bramblestar gets possessed, and Squirrelflight goes through heck to get him back, then Bristlefrost gets used as the plot scape goat in their place so neither Squirrel or Bramble die in the end. If anything it should have been Squirrelflight.
I can say it would make no sense to go through all that effort to bring back Bramble only for him to die the next book for good, would make all the lives up to that point that died for nothing. Squirrel also had her personal issues with Ashfur for obvious reasons, so it made sense she'd sacrifice herself to end her and Ashfur's final feud and protect her clan as their deputy. It would have been MUCH more redeeming for her character at this point in the series. It shouldn't have been Bristlefrost that died imo. Exactly this! It's really less about who died and more about the lack of actual consequences. Bramblestar and Squirrelflight were perfect sacrifices already. There's a reason why so many people were expecting at least one of them to bite the dust. They didn't even have to be the ones to defeat Ashfur, just the fact that they died at all would've been enough. I don't think I can persevere another arc with BrambleSquirrel. Lord, it'll probably be even worse with Flamepaw as a pov
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Post by Hollyfall on Oct 31, 2021 12:16:05 GMT -5
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 31, 2021 12:16:33 GMT -5
Explains why he and Mapleshade were training DF cats together in CrP, interesting link there. But it's wild how according to the spoilers he gets redeemed so easily over cats like Juniperclaw and Snowtuft?? Dude has been around for ages causing as much trouble as Mapleshade, wth.
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Post by Fireleap on Oct 31, 2021 12:17:02 GMT -5
I don't know how to feel about this. I'm mostly empty I guess. This series makes me so tired. I think I'm gonna hold off on buying River, because that ending was....... certainly a choice.
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Oct 31, 2021 12:17:50 GMT -5
I really hope bramblestar and squirrelflight retire after this arc, at least now with graystripe gone there might be more room in the elders den.
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Post by kells on Oct 31, 2021 12:19:44 GMT -5
I really hope bramblestar and squirrelflight retire after this arc, at least now with graystripe gone there might be more room in the elders den. I dont think that'll be possible. Squirrelflight, hopefully, but Bramblestar's got too many lives on him, if he were to retire the next leader would only get 2 lives or smth
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 31, 2021 12:19:52 GMT -5
Juniperclaw I get, but I'm honestly kinda surprised by Onestar and yet not if that's true. Either way, there's just something about it that I find kinda funny and I don't know why.
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Post by Hollyfall on Oct 31, 2021 12:19:53 GMT -5
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 31, 2021 12:20:53 GMT -5
I really hope bramblestar and squirrelflight retire after this arc, at least now with graystripe gone there might be more room in the elders den. I dont think that'll be possible. Squirrelflight, hopefully, but Bramblestar's got too many lives on him, if he were to retire the next leader would only get 2 lives or smth Hmm to be fair we don't know if he actually lost lives while he wasn't in his own body, so it could still be up in the air maybe?
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Oct 31, 2021 12:21:17 GMT -5
I really hope bramblestar and squirrelflight retire after this arc, at least now with graystripe gone there might be more room in the elders den. Can a leader retire though? The deputy makes sense, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a leader retire even though the code apparently says they can. The only cases seen that are close to that are Rowanstar and Pinestar and neither really retired.
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Post by halogen on Oct 31, 2021 12:22:18 GMT -5
Seems like the StarClan cats are being harsher on who gets to join them lately, normally trying to redeem yourself before you die like Juniperclaw and Onestar would get you in for sure, but I guess we saw this extra harshness with Squirrelflight and Leafpool. Would have been interesting if we saw a movement throughout StarClan to be harsher on cats for following the code and it wasn't just Ashfur who never really cared about the code anyway...
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All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 31, 2021 12:22:29 GMT -5
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Post by kells on Oct 31, 2021 12:22:36 GMT -5
Darktail in the Dark Forest? I thought only cats who believed in the Clans' religion could enter their hunting grounds. That's why we never saw Scourge again, right?
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 31, 2021 12:23:14 GMT -5
I really hope bramblestar and squirrelflight retire after this arc, at least now with graystripe gone there might be more room in the elders den. Can a leader retire though? The deputy makes sense, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a leader retire even though the code apparently says they can. The only cases seen that are close to that are Rowanstar and Pinestar and neither really retired. Well they can more so "step down" in favor of another cat, but we'd need another deputy ready to take the mantle before that...
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Post by Hollyfall on Oct 31, 2021 12:23:42 GMT -5
Thistleclaw also makes an appearance! Redwillow accidentally dies by slipping into the water in the Dark Forest, and Darkstripe's killed a second time by Firestar. Firestar also possesses Rootspring's body.
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Post by Hollyfall on Oct 31, 2021 12:24:49 GMT -5
Darktail in the Dark Forest? I thought only cats who believed in the Clans' religion could enter their hunting grounds. That's why we never saw Scourge again, right?
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Oct 31, 2021 12:25:06 GMT -5
I really hope bramblestar and squirrelflight retire after this arc, at least now with graystripe gone there might be more room in the elders den. I dont think that'll be possible. Squirrelflight, hopefully, but Bramblestar's got too many lives on him, if he were to retire the next leader would only get 2 lives or smth yeah idk, maybe he'll break a leg or something. Or maybe ashfur took some of his lives
I know rowanstar did, so I think it's possible if they're not fit to lead
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Post by halogen on Oct 31, 2021 12:27:03 GMT -5
I'm going to ask again: could someone post/describe Bristlefrost's whole death scene, not just the ending of it? I want to see how she kills Ashfur and all that.
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Post by kells on Oct 31, 2021 12:27:48 GMT -5
Darktail in the Dark Forest? I thought only cats who believed in the Clans' religion could enter their hunting grounds. That's why we never saw Scourge again, right? That's odd. I could have sworn it was stated somewhere that you need to believe in StarClan/PonS to actually get in.
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All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 31, 2021 12:27:48 GMT -5
Oh, wait! I was so excited about Silverhawk's confirmed Clan, the Emberdawn thing just completely went over my head. Must've been a different Emberdawn though, since Crookedstar didn't recognize him at all, unless we're getting living x dead pairings here or StarClan x Dark Forest relationships.
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Post by Hollyfall on Oct 31, 2021 12:27:48 GMT -5
The death toll: 1. Snowtuft by Ashfur 2. Darkstripe by Firestar 3. Redwillow by accidental drowning 4. Ginger she-cat by Rootspring 5. Darktail by Violet and Needle 6. Smokehaze by Ashfur 7. Ashfur by Bristlefrost 8. Bristlefrost by her own sacrifice (also due to Mapleshade’s wound and struggle w Ashfur)
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Oct 31, 2021 12:28:33 GMT -5
Can anyone confirm where Onestar went after he died? The spoilers seem to hint at something, but if it is what I think it is, it’s a little odd... i’m wondering if there’s some sort of explanation...
That death toll seems really low... I wonder if we will get some thing after word explaining there were more lives taken...
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Post by Hollyfall on Oct 31, 2021 12:29:59 GMT -5
Bristlefrost's and Ashfur's deaths:
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Oct 31, 2021 12:30:20 GMT -5
The death toll: 1. Snowtuft by Ashfur 2. Darkstripe by Firestar 3. Redwillow by accidental drowning 4. Ginger she-cat by Rootspring 5. Darktail by Violet and Needle 6. Smokehaze by Ashfur 7. Ashfur by Bristlefrost 8. Bristlefrost by her own sacrifice (also due to Mapleshade’s wound and struggle w Ashfur)
Did mapleshade and Ashfur team up then?
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 31, 2021 12:30:52 GMT -5
The death toll: 1. Snowtuft by Ashfur 2. Darkstripe by Firestar 3. Redwillow by accidental drowning 4. Ginger she-cat by Rootspring 5. Darktail by Violet and Needle 6. Smokehaze by Ashfur 7. Ashfur by Bristlefrost 8. Bristlefrost by her own sacrifice (also due to Mapleshade’s wound and struggle w Ashfur)
SMOKEHAZE?? NAH, I hate it here. They really do want Ivypool and Breezepelt's bloodlines to suffer, hunh?
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All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 31, 2021 12:31:06 GMT -5
Thistleclaw also makes an appearance! Redwillow accidentally dies by slipping into the water in the Dark Forest, and Darkstripe's killed a second time by Firestar. Firestar also possesses Rootspring's body. Ah, that explains the PoV, then.
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