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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 31, 2021 11:49:26 GMT -5
I don't know why but I find it annoying that yet another she-cat got iced before the tom. Bristlefrost is now on the list right next to Feathertail and Silverstream (also Leafpool too if we really wanna be specific).
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Post by halogen on Oct 31, 2021 11:50:27 GMT -5
I don't know why but I find it annoying that yet another she-cat got iced before the tom. Bristlefrost is now on the list right next to Feathertail and Silverstream (also Leafpool too if we really wanna be specific). We also had Stemleaf dying before Spotfur in this arc though.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 31, 2021 11:50:40 GMT -5
I'm perfectly fine with Bristlefrost not going to StarClan, it makes the death more impactful than if she just could appear as a spirit all the time. Having something sad happen is not bad writing... No one is saying it's bad writing. Look at Gray Wing! But that doesn't make her second death any less sad or cruel, especially when factoring her loved ones into it. Besides, if they really wanted to kill someone off, Bramblestar and Squirrelflight were right there.
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Oct 31, 2021 11:51:32 GMT -5
I don't know why but I find it annoying that yet another she-cat got iced before the tom. Bristlefrost is now on the list right next to Feathertail and Silverstream (also Leafpool too if we really wanna be specific). true, It mightve been that she didn't have much more going for her after this arc anyway unlike rootspring and shadowsight. Which is really sad, I wish they'd killed off another character besides her or killed shadowsight with her.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 31, 2021 11:52:29 GMT -5
I don't know why but I find it annoying that yet another she-cat got iced before the tom. Bristlefrost is now on the list right next to Feathertail and Silverstream (also Leafpool too if we really wanna be specific). We also had Stemleaf dying before Spotfur in this arc though. True I suppose, but when it comes to forbidden relationships in the main series, it's still 3:3 (4:4 if you count Leafpool) for she-cats being buried over the toms first. It's just now becoming an annoying pattern.
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Post by Hollyfall on Oct 31, 2021 11:52:52 GMT -5
Bristlefrost sacrificing herself to kill Ashfur for good is alright and all, given she was manipulated by him, but I do genuinely feel it would have been more impactful if Squirrelflight and/or Bramblestar did it. And the fact that both of them survive too? Like, come on. The opportunity was right there!
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 31, 2021 11:54:36 GMT -5
Bristlefrost sacrificing herself to kill Ashfur for good is alright and all, given she was manipulated by him, but I do genuinely feel it would have been more impactful if Squirrelflight and/or Bramblestar did it. And the fact that both of them survive too? Like, come on. The opportunity was right there! It's beyond infuriating that BrambleSquirrel suck up the majority of spotlight from the new main trio, only for them to take the back seat and get off practically scott free, and Bristlefrost takes the bullet?? Why, that's just bad writing.
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Oct 31, 2021 11:54:45 GMT -5
Bristlefrost sacrificing herself to kill Ashfur for good is alright and all, given she was manipulated by him, but I do genuinely feel it would have been more impactful if Squirrelflight and/or Bramblestar did it. And the fact that both of them survive too? Like, come on. The opportunity was right there! Yeah! Like why do they have to kill off a newer character, I just better hope they aren't the focus for anymore drama from now on. They would've been perfect sacrifices.
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Post by halogen on Oct 31, 2021 11:55:07 GMT -5
Bristlefrost sacrificing herself to kill Ashfur for good is alright and all, given she was manipulated by him, but I do genuinely feel it would have been more impactful if Squirrelflight and/or Bramblestar did it. And the fact that both of them survive too? Like, come on. The opportunity was right there! If that happened, everyone would be complaining that the resolution of the plot was all about Squirrelflight and Bramblestar and not about the actual main characters of this arc. Squirrel and Bramble should have died, but not in that way - they should have just been killed off in the battle without taking Ashfur with them.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Oct 31, 2021 11:55:45 GMT -5
By the way, Elmheart was kind enough to share the discord link leading to Spinestar's actual ALitM spoiler page with me so if anyone wishes to post an actual summary of the entire book in this thread go ahead. All you have to do is go to roles and select for spoiler discussion and then you can see all of the screenshots and info in the book discussion unreleased section. Here is the link: discord.gg/warriorcats or discord.com/invite/warriorcats
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Post by briarfrost on Oct 31, 2021 11:56:08 GMT -5
I don't know why but I find it annoying that yet another she-cat got iced before the tom. Bristlefrost is now on the list right next to Feathertail and Silverstream (also Leafpool too if we really wanna be specific). We also had Stemleaf dying before Spotfur in this arc though. And in the series overall, Gray Wing before Slate, Micah before Moth Flight, Firestar before Sandstorm, Oakheart before Bluestar (yeah yeah they were a fling but they still ended up together in StarClan, so I’m counting them), and probably more I’m forgetting.
Like the series has its problems, but always killing off the girl before the guy and not doing the other way around isn’t one of them.
Now, BrambleSquirrel surviving instead of one of THEM taking the permadead bullet…
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Oct 31, 2021 11:56:31 GMT -5
I don't know why but I find it annoying that yet another she-cat got iced before the tom. Bristlefrost is now on the list right next to Feathertail and Silverstream (also Leafpool too if we really wanna be specific). Honestly, it should have been Shadowsight that fought him and died. Literally half the female protags we've had in a main series have died before the other male protags they shared the POV with. (Leafpool, Feathertail wouldn't count but she's impactful, Hollyleaf, and Bristlefrost, Squirrelflight partially counts.) Meanwhile, we still have Bramblestar, Stormfur, Lionblaze, Jayfeather, Rootspring, and Shadowsight. Out of the males I've listed, at least more than half should be dead.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 31, 2021 11:58:58 GMT -5
Bristlefrost sacrificing herself to kill Ashfur for good is alright and all, given she was manipulated by him, but I do genuinely feel it would have been more impactful if Squirrelflight and/or Bramblestar did it. And the fact that both of them survive too? Like, come on. The opportunity was right there! If that happened, everyone would be complaining that the resolution of the plot was all about Squirrelflight and Bramblestar and not about the actual main characters of this arc. Squirrel and Bramble should have died, but not in that way. They already stole a majority of the focus though? But now it's just all for nothing because there's no proper pay out. Bramblestar gets possessed, and Squirrelflight goes through heck to get him back, then Bristlefrost gets used as the plot scape goat in their place so neither Squirrel or Bramble die in the end. If anything it should have been Squirrelflight.
I can say it would make no sense to go through all that effort to bring back Bramble only for him to die the next book for good, would make all the lives up to that point that died for nothing. Squirrel also had her personal issues with Ashfur for obvious reasons, so it made sense she'd sacrifice herself to end her and Ashfur's final feud and protect her clan as their deputy. It would have been MUCH more redeeming for her character at this point in the series. It shouldn't have been Bristlefrost that died imo.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 31, 2021 12:00:14 GMT -5
We also had Stemleaf dying before Spotfur in this arc though. And in the series overall, Gray Wing before Slate, Micah before Moth Flight, Firestar before Sandstorm, Oakheart before Bluestar (yeah yeah they were a fling but they still ended up together in StarClan, so I’m counting them), and probably more I’m forgetting.
Like the series has its problems, but always killing off the girl before the guy and not doing the other way around isn’t one of them.
Now, BrambleSquirrel surviving instead of one of THEM taking the permadead bullet… I'm talking about forbidden relationships.
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Post by VIXENCLAW on Oct 31, 2021 12:01:31 GMT -5
I'm perfectly fine with Bristlefrost not going to StarClan, it makes the death more impactful than if she just could appear as a spirit all the time. Having something sad happen is not bad writing...
(Though does this mean that Beetlewhisker didn't get to go to StarClan either (if they ever acknowledge he's dead) yeah, the last thing i wanted was for her to become some boring background character, but i still find the ending unsatisfying. squirrelflight and/or bramblestar should’ve kicked the bucket first. rootspring is my fave warriors character so i’m also just disappointed he and bristlefrost never got and never will have a chance to finally be together.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Oct 31, 2021 12:01:32 GMT -5
If Bramble and Squirrel aren't gonna die, then i'm atleast hoping that they retire for good.
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Post by Katanaheart on Oct 31, 2021 12:03:13 GMT -5
I will give them props for being able to murder the ThunderClan pov at least. This is the first series it has been a full-on split Clan-wise continuously throughout the series. And they iced the ThunderClan cat, bravo, indeed.
Plus adds to the fact almost all forbidden romances have ended in tragedy in one way or another. Alas if Shadowsight had also been killed, TigerXDove wouldn’t still be stuck unscathed.
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Post by halogen on Oct 31, 2021 12:03:29 GMT -5
If that happened, everyone would be complaining that the resolution of the plot was all about Squirrelflight and Bramblestar and not about the actual main characters of this arc. Squirrel and Bramble should have died, but not in that way. They already stole a majority of the focus though? But now it's just all for nothing because there's no proper pay out. Bramblestar gets possessed, and Squirrelflight goes through heck to get him back, then Bristlefrost gets used as the plot scape goat in their place so neither Squirrel or Bramble die in the end. If anything it should have been Squirrelflight.
I can say it would make no sense to go through all that effort to bring back Bramble only for him to die the next book for good, would make all the lives up to that point that died for nothing. Squirrel also had her personal issues with Ashfur for obvious reasons, so it made sense she'd sacrifice herself to end her and Ashfur's final feud and protect her clan as their deputy. It would have been MUCH more redeeming for her character at this point in the series. It shouldn't have been Bristlefrost that died imo. As I said, I agree they should have died or at least Bramblestar should have. I just don't think they should have been the ones to kill Ashfur. There's no rule that says only one cat can die in the big dramatic final battle and that has to specifically be the one that killed Ashfur.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 31, 2021 12:03:55 GMT -5
I don't know why but I find it annoying that yet another she-cat got iced before the tom. Bristlefrost is now on the list right next to Feathertail and Silverstream (also Leafpool too if we really wanna be specific). Honestly, it should have been Shadowsight that fought him and died. Literally half the female protags we've had in a main series have died before the other male protags they shared the POV with. (Leafpool, Feathertail wouldn't count but she's impactful, Hollyleaf, and Bristlefrost, Squirrelflight partially counts.) Meanwhile, we still have Bramblestar, Stormfur, Lionblaze, Jayfeather, Rootspring, and Shadowsight. Out of the males I've listed, at least more than half should be dead. Exactly. Before this didn't necessarily bother me, but now it's just one too many at this point, and it's getting stale plot wise. Why do I feel like editor meddling is yet again probably behind this.
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Post by ~Ƈαммι-`ღ´- on Oct 31, 2021 12:04:14 GMT -5
...Ok, first of all, damn. I'm kinda impressed they had the gall to off a POV character in such a heavy way. I'd kinda wondered if RootXBristle would end this way with one of them dying and it honestly feels like a rather cheap way to 'resolve' it, but I never would've expected it to double into a spiritual death. And if any of the POV cats were to die Bristlefrost was the one I would've least expected imo, considering Shadowsight was struck by lightning, getting manipulated by Asshfur, etc, and Rootspring was fighting for his life at the end of TPoNS. Another lingering thought is, I wonder if they made it a double kill-off so that there wouldn't be an opening for any immature fans to headcanon Bristle ends up with Stemleaf in StarClan XP
Also, Graystripe is now gone too? This means all the OG apprentices from the first arc have passed. The long-put-off ending of an era. Thank goodness at least he gets to be at peace with his old friends in StarClan <3
I hate that neither Bramble or Squirrel died. After all that crap at their age? Why can't the Erins and editors have more common sense and let them rest? :/
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Post by Moonblazer on Oct 31, 2021 12:04:33 GMT -5
Yeah nah, I’m done.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 31, 2021 12:06:09 GMT -5
They already stole a majority of the focus though? But now it's just all for nothing because there's no proper pay out. Bramblestar gets possessed, and Squirrelflight goes through heck to get him back, then Bristlefrost gets used as the plot scape goat in their place so neither Squirrel or Bramble die in the end. If anything it should have been Squirrelflight.
I can say it would make no sense to go through all that effort to bring back Bramble only for him to die the next book for good, would make all the lives up to that point that died for nothing. Squirrel also had her personal issues with Ashfur for obvious reasons, so it made sense she'd sacrifice herself to end her and Ashfur's final feud and protect her clan as their deputy. It would have been MUCH more redeeming for her character at this point in the series. It shouldn't have been Bristlefrost that died imo. As I said, I agree they should have died or at least Bramblestar should have. I just don't think they should have been the ones to kill Ashfur. There's no rule that says only one cat can die in the big dramatic final battle and that has to specifically be the one that killed Ashfur. But again, the fact that they lived in the end anyways still means there's no proper pay out for them sucking up all the spotlight from the TBC trio anyways. So in the end it's still incredibly unsatisfying. I will say that if at least one or both of BrambleSquirrel also bit the dust then the issue with icing Bristle plot wise wouldn't be as bad. But the fact that both got to outlive this entire arc is ridiculous.
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Post by kells on Oct 31, 2021 12:06:49 GMT -5
Of course the Erins would kill off a younger character instead of two horrendously annoying, ancient ones that have been plaguing the series since 2005
Bristlefrost just lived as a Squirrelflight camera, and died as a BrambleSquirrel camera And I don't even care about Bristlefrost, I'm just disappointed at this point
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Post by Hollyfall on Oct 31, 2021 12:07:21 GMT -5
I joined the server and Sparrowfeather, Houndleap, Maggottail, and Redwillow appear. That's certainly a surprise.
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Post by halogen on Oct 31, 2021 12:07:21 GMT -5
As I said, I agree they should have died or at least Bramblestar should have. I just don't think they should have been the ones to kill Ashfur. There's no rule that says only one cat can die in the big dramatic final battle and that has to specifically be the one that killed Ashfur. But again, the fact that they lived in the end anyways still means there's not proper pay out for them sucking up all the spotlight from the TBC trio anyways. So in the end it's still incredibly unsatisfying. I will say that if at least one or both of BrambleSquirrel also bit the dust then the issue with icing Bristle plot wise wouldn't be as bad. But the fact that both got to outlive this entire arc is ridiculous For the last time, I agree with you! I think they should have died, I'm mad that they didn't die, I just think they should have died AND one of the TBC protagonists should have killed Ashfur.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Oct 31, 2021 12:07:31 GMT -5
Honestly, it should have been Shadowsight that fought him and died. Literally half the female protags we've had in a main series have died before the other male protags they shared the POV with. (Leafpool, Feathertail wouldn't count but she's impactful, Hollyleaf, and Bristlefrost, Squirrelflight partially counts.) Meanwhile, we still have Bramblestar, Stormfur, Lionblaze, Jayfeather, Rootspring, and Shadowsight. Out of the males I've listed, at least more than half should be dead. Exactly. Before this didn't necessarily bother me, but now it's just one too many at this point, and it's getting stale plot wise. Why do I feel like editor meddling is yet again probably behind this. Most likely. I honestly wish they would fast forward a few generations to a complete new bunch. I also want a series with the original feel of the first few arcs.
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Post by Moonblazer on Oct 31, 2021 12:09:25 GMT -5
I’m just so tired. What a pointless and awful ending. I don’t trust this series with Frostpaw next arc. Sigh.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 31, 2021 12:10:18 GMT -5
I’m just so tired. What a pointless and awful ending. I don’t trust this series with Frostpaw next arc. Sigh. Watch them kill her off too. Would not even be surprised.
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Post by Moonblazer on Oct 31, 2021 12:10:58 GMT -5
I’m just so tired. What a pointless and awful ending. I don’t trust this series with Frostpaw next arc. Sigh. Watch them kill her off too. Would not even be surprised. Oh they will I’m sure. My Halloween is ruined, thanks Warriors lmao
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