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Ivystar?
Sept 28, 2021 16:21:57 GMT -5
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Post by Goldy from Dappleclan on Sept 28, 2021 16:21:57 GMT -5
So with Ivypool in the current SE poll people are thinking she may become leader.
Would you like her to be one or not? Feel free to discuss why you feel that way in the comments.
Personally I don't mind since Thunderclan doesn't have many better options, her leadership style might end up really unique and interesting too.
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Ivystar?
Sept 28, 2021 16:23:34 GMT -5
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Post by Aqua on Sept 28, 2021 16:23:34 GMT -5
I don't mind her as a deputy, but I don't want her to become a leader. I'd very much rather have a fresh, new character become leader like Harestar. I don't know why the writers keep using the older characters so much.
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Post by cable on Sept 28, 2021 16:31:56 GMT -5
i think itd be interesting, tho her deputy should be a background character who can be given development
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Post by *Faith* on Sept 28, 2021 16:32:20 GMT -5
I want a background character as leader if I'm being perfectly honest.
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Post by Fireleap on Sept 28, 2021 16:34:18 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind it, but I'd also like to see a background character become leader.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 28, 2021 16:34:32 GMT -5
absoultely not. i dont want her to be deputy or leader at all. keep her away from any leadership. she doesnt deserve it, plus she's overrated as all hell
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Post by andy on Sept 28, 2021 17:06:35 GMT -5
i'd be fine with it! i'd rather a younger, newer character gets the role, but ivypool as leader would still be cool
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Post by Moonblazer on Sept 28, 2021 17:08:46 GMT -5
I would adore Ivystar. It’s my top choice and has been for a very long time. But! I would also be okay with Molewhisker or Cherryfall as leader with Ivypool as deputy. Mole and Cherry are the best BG characters for leadership in my opinion.
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Post by Rainfire on Sept 28, 2021 17:14:14 GMT -5
Heck yes! Ivystar possibly coming true and the potential for getting to see her POV as leader is the main reason why I'm on board with a potential Ivypool SE.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 28, 2021 19:14:25 GMT -5
Ivystar with Molewhisker as deputy would be the best combination tbh. Ivystar is the perfect gateway for younger gen cats to start being in the TC hierarchy again.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 28, 2021 19:23:10 GMT -5
I honestly wouldn't mind her as leader as long as they kept her in the background for the most part, kind of like Firestar once his arc was over. Though, one thing I fear, is that they'll have her and Tigerheart argue a lot at the gatherings and it will make him look bad, but eh, he kinda already looks bad to most of the fandom, so that's really no big deal lol.
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Post by tallshadowstar on Sept 28, 2021 21:14:50 GMT -5
I'd like Squirrelstar next. She could be leader for an arc or two, and then either die or retire and pass the mantle to a younger cat.
Personally I would've loved Rosepetal as deputy, but that's not an option anymore for obvious reasons. Spotfur is my second choice, but she hasn't mentored anyone yet. Ivypool is the third choice, and probably the most likely successor anyways.
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Ivystar?
Sept 28, 2021 21:47:55 GMT -5
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Post by Cloudstorm on Sept 28, 2021 21:47:55 GMT -5
I’m Neutral on ivystar being leader , wouldn’t Bother me either way . Squirrelstar just no , seriously if she’s pulls through in the conclusion of TBC she should retire , poor Girl deserves it . God knows she’s been Pulled through The mud by the Erins devil pen for too many Years , seriously GIVE THE GIRL A BREAK ALREADY , she doesn’t need the Responsibility of Dealing with the needs of 60+ Cats ( damn Thunderclan needs be purged already , no wonder Bramblestar is on Edge all the time ,sheesh) , she only needs to prioritizing herself for awhile . If bramblestar returns as leader , I’d be fine with that too. If not then my choice would be roll a 30 sided dice and pick whomever it lands on , plenty of Faceless, cardboard cutouts that could use development .
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Post by thewinterblaze on Sept 28, 2021 21:54:24 GMT -5
No. I know Ivypool is a great character with lots of development and personality, but personally, I feel like she herself wouldn't feel confident enough to lead Thunderclan. She's always been more of an undercover character than one at the forefront of everything. Honestly, I wouldn't dislike her becoming leader, I just feel like it would clash with her character.
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Ivystar?
Sept 29, 2021 1:42:42 GMT -5
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Post by whiteflight on Sept 29, 2021 1:42:42 GMT -5
I'm fine with her becoming leader but I do think there are other cats out there that would make a better leader. As long as I don't see the name Squrrielstar.
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Sept 29, 2021 3:03:04 GMT -5
absoultely not. i dont want her to be deputy or leader at all. keep her away from any leadership. she doesnt deserve it, plus she's overrated as all hell hating ivypool should be more normalised lol. i hate her too, she doesn't deserve the love she gets.
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Sept 29, 2021 3:03:25 GMT -5
hell no
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Sept 29, 2021 5:07:45 GMT -5
I would like to see her as a leader. She's tough and firm yet kind and compassionate. She would make a great leader, much better than some bland, no-personality background character. I wouldn't mind seeing a background be deputy TO get a personality, but I wouldn't want some nobody gaining leadership.
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Post by Rainsplash on Sept 29, 2021 7:12:37 GMT -5
I think her being deputy would suit her better, but I couldn't care less. Ivypool's not exactly the youngest, so she could be Mistystar 2.0
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Ivystar?
Sept 29, 2021 8:39:18 GMT -5
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Post by crowspirit on Sept 29, 2021 8:39:18 GMT -5
It's better than the other options at this point, but I wish she was more involved in the plot now. We don't really know anything about current day Ivypool.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Sept 29, 2021 12:44:41 GMT -5
It's ironic, the fandom complains about Lionblaze, Squirrelflight and Bramblestar becoming leaders and gaining spotlight but still aim for Ivystar.
But. Hell no. She's the most overrated and one of the most overused characters in the entire series, she's had so much spotlight, it will only get worse if she becomes leader. Besides, her becoming leader would backtrack half of TBC's main conflict. It would show bad writing.
And besides, i think her own character would prefer staying with her family and kits instead of the stress of becoming leader. I'd rather she stays a warrior and is happy with Fernsong.
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Post by Aqua on Sept 29, 2021 12:51:53 GMT -5
It's better than the other options at this point, but I wish she was more involved in the plot now. We don't really know anything about current day Ivypool. But why do we need to know more about her? She has a family and kits. There's really not much else to tell about her anymore.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Sept 29, 2021 12:58:38 GMT -5
It's better than the other options at this point, but I wish she was more involved in the plot now. We don't really know anything about current day Ivypool. But why do we need to know more about her? She has a family and kits. There's really not much else to tell about her anymore. Yeah. Her story is so exhausted now, does she really need a hundred more pages?
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Post by Aqua on Sept 29, 2021 13:07:47 GMT -5
But why do we need to know more about her? She has a family and kits. There's really not much else to tell about her anymore. Yeah. Her story is so exhausted now, does she really need a hundred more pages? She honestly really doesn't. She's a decent character, but she and Dovewing both need to be in the background now.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Sept 29, 2021 17:24:18 GMT -5
I personally don't want Ivypool as a leader, but I wouldn't mind too much if she did become the leader.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 29, 2021 18:27:13 GMT -5
It's better than the other options at this point, but I wish she was more involved in the plot now. We don't really know anything about current day Ivypool. But why do we need to know more about her? She has a family and kits. There's really not much else to tell about her anymore. By that logic, wouldn't that be said for other characters too? Family and kits doesn't mean that a story is "over" imo. There's plenty that can be told through Ivypool as a character, what's actually important is how it is done.
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Post by Aqua on Sept 29, 2021 18:42:21 GMT -5
But why do we need to know more about her? She has a family and kits. There's really not much else to tell about her anymore. By that logic, wouldn't that be said for other characters too? Family and kits doesn't mean that a story is "over" imo. There's plenty that can be told through Ivypool as a character, what's actually important is how it is done. I know there's plenty that can be told, but like with Squirrelflight, it's pointless to see more of Ivypool when there's so many other characters to see in ThunderClan. Like Lilyheart, Whitewing, and plenty of other characters. Ivypool and Dovewing both need to move on from the books.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 29, 2021 18:57:52 GMT -5
By that logic, wouldn't that be said for other characters too? Family and kits doesn't mean that a story is "over" imo. There's plenty that can be told through Ivypool as a character, what's actually important is how it is done. I know there's plenty that can be told, but like with Squirrelflight, it's pointless to see more of Ivypool when there's so many other characters to see in ThunderClan. Like Lilyheart, Whitewing, and plenty of other characters. Ivypool and Dovewing both need to move on from the books. The problem is that the odds of the Erins just up and doing content for characters in the background is unlikely unless they have some sort of agency that connects them to major characters in some way, or if they've been around long enough to earn one. Otherwise they're just given a novella. Also, there has only been two incidents where a previous protagonist in the main story has gotten a SE, Firestar and Squirrelflight. Squirrelflight is old. She's so old it's noted in the books, her era as a character is over and done with, or should have been. The only reason the current arc is such an issue right now, is because things like Ashfur for example, should have been addressed ages ago. And because it's being addressed now, it suffocates the narrative for the main new casts. If anything, the Ashfur plotline could have easily been dealt with in an SE for closure, and left as a one-off from the main series, instead of being the main focus of the current arc. On the other hand, Firestar was a newly made leader at the end of the first arc, that was his own agency, along with his new relationships, and his personal journey for SkyClan to which we didn't even know existed until that book. Squirrelflight was a protagonist since TNP, and then gets an SE down the line after AVoS. Not counting TNP, that is POT, OotS, and AVoS in between, that is three arcs later. Three full arcs. If Ivypool got an SE, at most it would be only 2 arcs. But even then it could either be a follow up to OotS, AVoS, or even TBC. It's just that the most obvious one would most likely be TBC. If you were to list characters, in ThunderClan, that you believe could fill up an entire SE book based off them, without anything to do with them being set up for a deputy/leadership position or a previous protagonist and isn't a main focus in the current arc, then who would you suggest? Because imo, even the cats you suggested, Lilyheart and Whitewing, at most are just novella material.
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Post by rabbit on Sept 29, 2021 19:06:15 GMT -5
I guess I wouldn’t mind. I am definitely against a background character being the next leader. I like it when established characters get important roles rather than characters we know little about before hand. Harestar furstrates me honestly for this reason.
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