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Post by Aqua on Sept 21, 2021 10:34:35 GMT -5
What's your opinion on him? I don't like him, and I'm tired of people blaming Bluefur for the crap he has caused on his own.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 21, 2021 10:39:07 GMT -5
Dislike, the only thing I like about him is his prefix, other than that, he's a cat who started off as a brat, and then grew into a terrible jerk, and he has no other interesting personality traits other than being a jerk. I know some people think he's a great mate to Snowfur, but I personally don't see it. However, he's not given enough focus for me to fully hate him.
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 21, 2021 10:39:43 GMT -5
Really cool character that makes for a dynamic and tragic villain.
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Post by Aqua on Sept 21, 2021 10:41:55 GMT -5
Dislike, the only thing I like about him is his prefix, other than that, he's a cat who started off as a brat, and then grew into a terrible jerk, and he has no other interesting personality traits other than being a jerk. I know some people think he's a great mate to Snowfur, but I personally don't see it. However, he's not given enough focus for me to fully hate him. People also act like Bluefur should've given him a chance, but honestly, after all the trouble he caused and the crap he's done to everyone, she really shouldn't feel obligated to do anything for him, lol. He threatened to take her newphew away because he thought she was "too soft" on him, kicked her while she was pregnant, threatened to kill Oakheart, and he's also arrogant. He's a horrible cat and I absolutely do not blame Bluefur for disliking him. I do think she was unfair to Snowfur about him though and should have allowed Snowfur to be with Thistleclaw without her getting pissed about it but other than that, honestly, Blue didn't owe Thistle shit.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 21, 2021 10:42:59 GMT -5
Dislike, the only thing I like about him is his prefix, other than that, he's a cat who started off as a brat, and then grew into a terrible jerk, and he has no other interesting personality traits other than being a jerk. I know some people think he's a great mate to Snowfur, but I personally don't see it. However, he's not given enough focus for me to fully hate him. People also act like Bluefur should've given him a chance, but honestly, after all the trouble he caused and the crap he's done to everyone, she really shouldn't feel obligated to do anything for him, lol. He threatened to take her newphew away because he thought she was "too soft" on him, kicked her while she was pregnant, threatened to kill Oakheart, and he's also arrogant. He's a horrible cat and I absolutely do not blame Bluefur for disliking him. I do think she was unfair to Snowfur about him though and should have allowed Snowfur to be with Thistleclaw without her getting pissed about it but other than that, honestly, Blue didn't owe Thistle shit. Agreed. I can't stand Bluestar, but I don't think she owes him anything either, what did he ever do for her?
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Post by cable on Sept 21, 2021 11:08:31 GMT -5
i never understood why people seemed so infatuated with his character (to the point of saying certain books shouldnt be canon for his sake). dislike.
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 21, 2021 11:12:10 GMT -5
Definitely one of my least favorite cats. He was arrogant from a young age and only grew worse as he got older. All being nice to Snowfur meant was that he had standards. And even if he didn't actually think of her as soft and was just saying that to please Shredtail, he still very clearly enjoyed training in the Dark Forest and was very well aware where he was.
As for Bluefur, she really didn't owe him anything. Maybe she could've been nicer, but it wasn't like he ever made much of an effort to meet her halfway, either. And considering Bluefur lost Moonflower while she was just an apprentice, it's understandable why she was as protective of her sister as she was.
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Aroace
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𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑
Villain Enjoyer
Taking a break from the forums because my cat died. Will probably be back mid to late October.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Sept 21, 2021 12:04:55 GMT -5
I didn't mind Thistleclaw much before as he just seemed to be the rival of Bluestar in her SE with some very obvious anger issues and self destructive tendencies (constantly wanting to fight and dying in battle). But his role in a certain novella makes me greatly uncomfortable to even spell out his name and I'm now constantly trying to avoid him as a character and topic of discussion.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Sept 21, 2021 14:24:34 GMT -5
Neutral. I just don't exactly know my opinion on him. One day i feel bad for him, the other, i feel like he's a bad cat. Dunno.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 21, 2021 14:25:31 GMT -5
he was already a bad guy, so why did they make spottedleaf's horrible novella...?
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Sept 21, 2021 14:57:21 GMT -5
Are people forgetting he is a literal p3dophile?
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 21, 2021 15:10:29 GMT -5
Are people forgetting he is a literal p3dophile? Apparently some people prefer to ignore it, which may or may not be a different kind of problematic altogether. And even without the novella, he's still shown to be horrible in all his other appearances. All SH did was make him worse than he already was.
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Sept 21, 2021 15:24:36 GMT -5
Are people forgetting he is a literal p3dophile? Apparently some people prefer to ignore it, which may or may not he a different kind of problematic altogether. And even without the novella, he's still shown to be horrible in all his other appearances. All SH did was make him worse than he already was. I understand why some people might want to ignore it, bc it makes them uncomfortable for example, but I don't think that people should ignore it. The situation with him and Spottedpaw was horrible and he should get recognized and called out as a groomer and p3dophile more often in the fandom. But yeah, he always was trash.
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Post by leopardclan on Sept 21, 2021 15:27:17 GMT -5
He's horrible, and I really don't understand why anyone would continue to like him after spottedleafs book came out. Even if you pretend that didn't come out he's not that interesting of a character anyway? There's other villains that have much better stories (and aren't creepers).
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Post by Rainfire on Sept 21, 2021 15:41:33 GMT -5
Hate. I don't exactly like him in Bluestar's Prophecy but I do appreciate and enjoy his role in that book, didn't care for him at all in OOTS, and SH obliterated any remaining appreciation or interest I might've had left for him.
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Post by Aqua on Sept 21, 2021 16:16:00 GMT -5
Are people forgetting he is a literal p3dophile? Apparently some people prefer to ignore it, which may or may not be a different kind of problematic altogether. And even without the novella, he's still shown to be horrible in all his other appearances. All SH did was make him worse than he already was. Their precious "gentle baby" can do no wrong, apparently.
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 21, 2021 16:31:00 GMT -5
Are people forgetting he is a literal p3dophile? Just like Dustpelt and Snowbird, yes. He was trying to lure her into the DF cult and that sucks, but that's about all you can stick him on morally given the series has set a precedent with Dustpelt and Snowbird that it's not really a thing.
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Post by scarletflames on Sept 21, 2021 16:39:48 GMT -5
If it wasn’t for SH I’d vote dislike. I’m skipping SH for now because it sounds like it would be pretty painful to read. But from what I’ve heard of his behavior in SH, I feel hate towards him, so I voted hate.
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Bisexual
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"I'm smarter than you!" - Gary Smith
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Post by ravenmoon on Sept 21, 2021 17:12:14 GMT -5
I have always hated Thistleclaw! I always got so much hate when I'd voice my opinion on him on DA.
I feel like the only reason people love him is because of his relationship with Snowfur. People are so obsessed with the whole "bad boy and soft girl uwu" and "she was the only thing keeping him sane" trope even though it is problematic. And besides, Snowfur is just as annoying and stuck up abt clan stuff as he is so she's not even a pure innocent bean.
He's a terrible cat, incredibly annoying, and a terrible father.
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Asexual
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The Shiny User
🎵Guess that's just the way it goes, easy come, easy go🎵
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Sept 21, 2021 17:13:08 GMT -5
Dislike. Thistleclaw doesn't really have any other personality traits other than being a rude bully and jerk. Being nice to Snowfur and Sweetpaw also doesn't automatically redeem his entire character. He basically sucks.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 21, 2021 17:14:07 GMT -5
Dislike. Thistleclaw doesn't really have any other personality traits other than being a rude bully and jerk. Being nice to Snowfur and Sweetpaw also doesn't automatically redeem his entire character. He basically sucks. I totally forgot about Sweetpaw! Either way, I agree.
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Post by cable on Sept 21, 2021 17:18:01 GMT -5
Are people forgetting he is a literal p3dophile? Just like Dustpelt and Snowbird, yes. He was trying to lure her into the DF cult and that sucks, but that's about all you can stick him on morally given the series has set a precedent with Dustpelt and Snowbird that it's not really a thing. i think its such a sticking point for fans because while dustpelt and snowbird are side or background characters who can be ignored to an extent, we had an entire novella of thistleclaw being weird towards spottedleaf in detail. it became extremely difficult to ignore, which is why people cant forget about it. tho iirc people do actually find snowbird p creepy too. idk what the opinions on dustpelt are.
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 21, 2021 18:27:02 GMT -5
Just like Dustpelt and Snowbird, yes. He was trying to lure her into the DF cult and that sucks, but that's about all you can stick him on morally given the series has set a precedent with Dustpelt and Snowbird that it's not really a thing. i think its such a sticking point for fans because while dustpelt and snowbird are side or background characters who can be ignored to an extent, we had an entire novella of thistleclaw being weird towards spottedleaf in detail. it became extremely difficult to ignore, which is why people cant forget about it. tho iirc people do actually find snowbird p creepy too. idk what the opinions on dustpelt are. I've seen opinions on Dustpelt vary. Some have made the same argument towards him, though I wouldn't say it's the majority idea. I can see the logic that Thistleclaw had a book dedicated to it so it gets more backlash. I think another issue is that in Spottedleaf's Heart, the relationship is clearly painted as bad and this already gets people's mindsets kind of ready to be looking for things. Dustpelt and Snowbird by contrast are painted in the narrative as a good or neutral thing, so people aren't really looking at it as much.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 21, 2021 18:28:35 GMT -5
Are people forgetting he is a literal p3dophile? Just like Dustpelt and Snowbird, yes. He was trying to lure her into the DF cult and that sucks, but that's about all you can stick him on morally given the series has set a precedent with Dustpelt and Snowbird that it's not really a thing. snowbird, yes. dustpelt, no. dustpelt is barely lke 9 months older than ferncloud, and didn't be creepy toward her. his interactions were brief and stemed from concern, not a place of manipulation like thistleclaw :\ edit: forgot to mention ferncloud isn't as young as people think either. her warrior ceremony was delayed.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 21, 2021 18:33:01 GMT -5
Just like Dustpelt and Snowbird, yes. He was trying to lure her into the DF cult and that sucks, but that's about all you can stick him on morally given the series has set a precedent with Dustpelt and Snowbird that it's not really a thing. snowbird, yes. dustpelt, no. dustpelt is barely lke 9 months older than ferncloud, and didn't be creepy toward her. his interactions were brief and stemed from concern, not a place of manipulation like thistleclaw :\ edit: forgot to mention ferncloud isn't as young as people think either. her warrior ceremony was delayed. Yeah, she was born before Ravenpaw even left, remember, Frostfur nipped him when he went to go see Brindeface's kits because of the distrust that Tigerclaw had built up around him. I can understand why people would find Dustpelt a bit creepy though, since he started showing interest in Ferncloud when she first became an apprentice, even talking to her all the time while he was supposed to be mentoring Ashfur, but you do have a good point about there not very big age gap, and her ceremony being delayed, I just find the timing a bit weird, I wish they could have done Dust x Fern hints after she got her warrior name.
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 21, 2021 18:34:02 GMT -5
Just like Dustpelt and Snowbird, yes. He was trying to lure her into the DF cult and that sucks, but that's about all you can stick him on morally given the series has set a precedent with Dustpelt and Snowbird that it's not really a thing. snowbird, yes. dustpelt, no. dustpelt is barely lke 9 months older than ferncloud, and didn't be creepy toward her. his interactions were brief and stemed from concern, not a place of manipulation like thistleclaw :\ You'd be right on the age issue except that Thistleclaw's age was retconned in Spottedleaf's Heart so he was a young warrior, so young that Spottedleaf comments on it being weird to think of him as a father. It's more of a gap than Ferncloud and Dustpelt, but it makes it less clear-cut. After all, if you go by percentages, Dustpelt is certainly over twice Ferncloud's age, which is not an insignificant amount. You're right that Dustpelt didn't manipulate Ferncloud, but that's because he's a good guy who isn't trying to get her to join the Dark Forest, unlike Thistleclaw who is a nasty guy and trying to get her to join up. It's irrelevant to the issue of ****philia.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 21, 2021 18:47:33 GMT -5
snowbird, yes. dustpelt, no. dustpelt is barely lke 9 months older than ferncloud, and didn't be creepy toward her. his interactions were brief and stemed from concern, not a place of manipulation like thistleclaw :\ You'd be right on the age issue except that Thistleclaw's age was retconned in Spottedleaf's Heart so he was a young warrior, so young that Spottedleaf comments on it being weird to think of him as a father. It's more of a gap than Ferncloud and Dustpelt, but it makes it less clear-cut. After all, if you go by percentages, Dustpelt is certainly over twice Ferncloud's age, which is not an insignificant amount. You're right that Dustpelt didn't manipulate Ferncloud, but that's because he's a good guy who isn't trying to get her to join the Dark Forest, unlike Thistleclaw who is a nasty guy and trying to get her to join up. It's irrelevant to the issue of ****philia. eh whatever. dustpelt only gets into ferncloud because sadnstorm gets into firestar. so he's like not left with other options lol. it doesnt excuse anything, but i just find it funny that the wiki points it out. if sandstorm didn't get into firestar, dustpelt would still try to be close with sandstorm to get with her instead.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Sept 22, 2021 6:59:53 GMT -5
I dislike him. A brat to a bully then to an outright evil cat.
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Post by daurianwind on Sept 29, 2021 4:26:58 GMT -5
Strong and brave warrior, loyal and reliable clanmate, loving and caring friend to his mate, good father to his son and mentor to his apprentice. He deserves nine lives and Starclan not less than Bluefur. His only fault that we saw him from very prejudiced Bluefur’s point of view.
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