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Post by Pixie on Aug 12, 2021 17:33:12 GMT -5
There is this cool lil website: personality-database.com/subcategory/792/warriors-series-erin-hunter-literature-mbti-personality-typeI find it interesting that my favorite character, Twigbranch, is an ENFP because I am that as well lol. Might explain why I like her so much. Though, Moth Flight is one as well, and I strongly dislike her 🤔. And how is Frostpaw already on here?? She’s listed as an ISFJ which is pretty interesting and I hope that’s true because you know who else is an ISFJ? Sally from The Nightmare Before Christmas and I love her.
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Post by halogen on Aug 12, 2021 18:03:26 GMT -5
This topic again! When it came up last time, it introduced me to Personality Database and I have since got a lot better at typing things than I was (horrible) when the thread first came up. I have made some arguments on characters in the comments. The system they use is a lot more complicated then the stuff you find on 16personalities and stuff, though, you probably shouldn't vote unless you have done a lot of research into how the functions are defined.
Also, you should take the typings - particularly the ones that don't have a lot of votes - with a grain of salt. Characters change type all the time when someone comes up with an argument arguing for a certain type and pointing out the previous consensus was flawed or based on a stereotype.
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Aug 12, 2021 18:08:28 GMT -5
Post by Chicken on Aug 12, 2021 18:08:28 GMT -5
I find MBTI stuff really interesting! I have actually been learning about it, though I'm still not sure what my type is, I thought it was ISTJ, but I'm starting to think that's just the type I most want to be like. I'm thinking maybe ISTP maybe even INTP but I doubt it, and they scare me. Another choice might be ENTP, but the ENTPs I met were jerks..hm maybe I could be an ENTP! Anyway, the personality database site is super cool, I look at it all the time, one problem I do have though is that Sandynose isn't on there despite having more characterization than other cats on the list, if I had to type him, I would lean towards ISTJ. I found Frostpaw on there to be a bit odd too, Flamepaw as well, if I remember correctly, they're the same type. I hope that's not the case, I want all the protagonists to be starkly different from each other.
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Aug 12, 2021 18:17:34 GMT -5
Post by Seven on Aug 12, 2021 18:17:34 GMT -5
Apparently I'm INTP, so the ones I got were Tall Shadow, Goosefeather, Rock, and Ashfoot. Tall Shadow and Goosefeather are some of my favourite characters so it works. I like Ashfoot too. I forgot about Rock though.
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Aug 12, 2021 20:28:45 GMT -5
Post by Rainsplash on Aug 12, 2021 20:28:45 GMT -5
What the... Ashfur? Oh good I have Leafpool too. And Ravenpaw. Alderheart. Dovewing. I didn't think Ashfur was like these... gentle cats.
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Aug 12, 2021 20:33:35 GMT -5
Post by Pixie on Aug 12, 2021 20:33:35 GMT -5
Oh, haha, I retook the test on keys2cognition and got ISFP this time, so now I don't really know oof.
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Aug 12, 2021 20:33:48 GMT -5
Post by Chicken on Aug 12, 2021 20:33:48 GMT -5
What the... Ashfur? Oh good I have Leafpool too. And Ravenpaw. Alderheart. Dovewing. I didn't think Ashfur was like these... gentle cats. That's the interesting thing about personality types, two people, or well, cats in this case can have the same personality type but be completely different depending on their life experiences, other aspects of their personality, and other different variables.
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Aug 12, 2021 20:53:14 GMT -5
Post by halogen on Aug 12, 2021 20:53:14 GMT -5
What the... Ashfur? Oh good I have Leafpool too. And Ravenpaw. Alderheart. Dovewing. I didn't think Ashfur was like these... gentle cats. The comments on Alderheart are largely arguing that he is ISFJ, not INFP and I agree that he's ISFJ.
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Aug 12, 2021 21:04:30 GMT -5
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Post by Mothdapple on Aug 12, 2021 21:04:30 GMT -5
I have cats such as Spottedleaf, Whitestorm, Shadowsight, Leafstar, Sol, Half Moon, and Runningnose. Some I like, some I don’t.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Aug 12, 2021 22:50:07 GMT -5
Did someone summon me?
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Aug 13, 2021 2:49:21 GMT -5
Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Aug 13, 2021 2:49:21 GMT -5
ENFP like Cinderpelt, interesting.
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Aug 13, 2021 3:02:44 GMT -5
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 13, 2021 3:02:44 GMT -5
Got some pretty good ones for ISFP. The only ones I disapprove of are Bumblestripe, Cinders, Susan, and Jaques.
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Aug 13, 2021 6:26:12 GMT -5
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Post by crowspirit on Aug 13, 2021 6:26:12 GMT -5
I'm an INFP and some of my favourite characters like Rootspring, Ravenpaw and Pinestar are too, which is really neat.
And then there's also… Ashfur.
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Post by Rainsplash on Aug 13, 2021 7:03:53 GMT -5
What the... Ashfur? Oh good I have Leafpool too. And Ravenpaw. Alderheart. Dovewing. I didn't think Ashfur was like these... gentle cats. That's the interesting thing about personality types, two people, or well, cats in this case can have the same personality type but be completely different depending on their life experiences, other aspects of their personality, and other different variables. Yeah, you're right
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Aug 13, 2021 10:47:30 GMT -5
Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Aug 13, 2021 10:47:30 GMT -5
A lot of my favorite cats are INFP's!
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Aug 13, 2021 11:57:57 GMT -5
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Post by kells on Aug 13, 2021 11:57:57 GMT -5
It had been way too long since I took a personality test but its still the same from years back
Im an INTP-T, which lumps me with rock and ashfoot, I was really hoping to get someone like rootspring or smth :,v
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𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑
Villain Enjoyer
Taking a break from the forums because my cat died. Will probably be back mid to late October.
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Aug 13, 2021 14:18:43 GMT -5
Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Aug 13, 2021 14:18:43 GMT -5
I'm both ENFJ and INFJ.
So for ENFJ (The Teacher), I got Firestar, Mapleshade, Silverstream, Crookedstar, Tigerstar II, Lionheart, Star Flower, Darktail, Briarlight, Cody, Sunstar, Redtail, Bright Stream, Frostfur and Sunrise
For INFJ (The Counselor), I got Spottedleaf, Whitestorm, Sol, Shadowsight, Tallstar, Half Moon, Leafstar, Midnight, Echosong, Runningnose, Gremlin, Jingo and Billystorm
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Post by Chicken on Aug 13, 2021 14:57:22 GMT -5
So, I just took the most straight forward test ever, that explained everything in a way that couldn't really be misinterpreted, and I got ISTP, which is what the MBTI master Skypaw13 suggested my type could be before I started deep-diving into this, so I think I will go with that...for now XD Anyway, here are the cats who are ISTPS:
Ivypool Tawnypelt Longtail Spidgerleg Russetfur Sharpclaw Bone Fang (Honeysuckle) Needleclaw.
Out of this list, I despise some of these cats and I kind of like two, and I'm neutral on the rest.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Aug 13, 2021 18:17:36 GMT -5
Anyway, here are the cats who are ISTPS: Ivypool Tawnypelt Longtail Spidgerleg Russetfur Sharpclaw Bone Fang (Honeysuckle) Needleclaw. Out of this list, I despise some of these cats and I kind of like two, and I'm neutral on the rest. Pretty sure Dustpelt is an ISTP as well. He's listed as ESTJ on the database, which just seems wrong to me. I generally don't use these databases as anything more than an opinion, since they're crowd-decided, and the crowd is generally not great with MBTI, lol. While I'm here, Jayfeather is an INTP, not an INTJ, lol
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Aug 13, 2021 18:25:24 GMT -5
Post by rabbit on Aug 13, 2021 18:25:24 GMT -5
ENTJs get Tigerclaw and Clear Sky. Warriors does not like ENTJs apparently.
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Aug 13, 2021 18:35:16 GMT -5
Post by halogen on Aug 13, 2021 18:35:16 GMT -5
Anyway, here are the cats who are ISTPS: Ivypool Tawnypelt Longtail Spidgerleg Russetfur Sharpclaw Bone Fang (Honeysuckle) Needleclaw. Out of this list, I despise some of these cats and I kind of like two, and I'm neutral on the rest. Pretty sure Dustpelt is an ISTP as well. He's listed as ESTJ on the database, which just seems wrong to me. I generally don't use these databases as anything more than an opinion, since they're crowd-decided, and the crowd is generally not great with MBTI, lol. While I'm here, Jayfeather is an INTP, not an INTJ, lol Why do you think Jayfeather is INTP? I haven't read his series in a long enough time that I can't vote confidently on his type myself, so I don't have an opinion, but I would love to see your argument. It would be great if you could post it on his page on the website!
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Post by halogen on Aug 13, 2021 18:40:04 GMT -5
ENTJs get Tigerclaw and Clear Sky. Warriors does not like ENTJs apparently. Lol no media likes ENTJs. Pretty much every fictional ENTJ is a villain, and if there ever is an ENTJ that is a good person they will probably be voted a different type on the website, just as lots of villains who aren't ENTJ will still be voted that type. It's not a case of ENTJ being somehow inherently more evil either, since if you look at real life "villains" like dictators the types people who are experts/good at typing have found for them are much more varied, just a case of that type being very stereotypical for fictional villains (particularly "generic" villains like Tigerstar), while the generic stereotypical hero character is usually xxFP. I wish there were more good ENTJ characters in anything, though.
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Post by Chicken on Aug 13, 2021 18:55:41 GMT -5
Anyway, here are the cats who are ISTPS: Ivypool Tawnypelt Longtail Spidgerleg Russetfur Sharpclaw Bone Fang (Honeysuckle) Needleclaw. Out of this list, I despise some of these cats and I kind of like two, and I'm neutral on the rest. Pretty sure Dustpelt is an ISTP as well. He's listed as ESTJ on the database, which just seems wrong to me. I generally don't use these databases as anything more than an opinion, since they're crowd-decided, and the crowd is generally not great with MBTI, lol. While I'm here, Jayfeather is an INTP, not an INTJ, lol I totally agree about Dustpelt beating an ISTP, I could swear I saw him listed as one once before, he might have been on a different site. You told me before about your reasonings for Jayfeather to be an INTP, and I totally agree.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Aug 13, 2021 20:33:43 GMT -5
Pretty sure Dustpelt is an ISTP as well. He's listed as ESTJ on the database, which just seems wrong to me. I generally don't use these databases as anything more than an opinion, since they're crowd-decided, and the crowd is generally not great with MBTI, lol. While I'm here, Jayfeather is an INTP, not an INTJ, lol Why do you think Jayfeather is INTP? I haven't read his series in a long enough time that I can't vote confidently on his type myself, so I don't have an opinion, but I would love to see your argument. It would be great if you could post it on his page on the website! Chicken made a thread over in OTD with the same title, and there we got into a conversation about typing the warrior cats, so I'll just copy-paste my reasonings from that thread. The INTJ and the INTP have completely different function stacks. An INTJ is Ni, Te, Fi, Se; while an INTP is Ti, Ne, Si, Fe. They share no functions in the conscious stack.
An INTP is very focused on logic. The Ti dominates that, obviously, but also Ne involves seeing patterns in the outside world. By contrast, the INTJ is a bit more creative (Ni) and focuses more on objective facts. They care less about why and more about how.
Jayfeather's consistently shown to care more about the why than the how. This is why he gets so mad at Rock all the time, and StarClan as well. They tell him to do things, but won't tell him why.
Also, in Sunrise we see Jayfeather solve a mystery. He does this by noticing things that are out of pattern (Leafpool's uncharacteristic behavior, for example) and researching them further (going to Mousefur for help). When he finally figures out the mystery, he doesn't leap straight to the conclusion like an Ni would, he follows the logical flow of all the details he's gathered so far and sets them into the pattern.
We also see several times in OotS that he actually does care about his social relationships. I don't want to say INTJs don't care about relationships, but... an INTJ is way more likely to just say something without caring about how it makes the other person feel. An INTP will often think of several rude things to say, but will not say them aloud because they don't want to offend the other person. Despite his reputation, Jayfeather actually does this a lot. He's described several times as "biting back" a retort in favor of a kinder phrase, and is often unsure of what to say to comfort someone (a common INTP struggle).
Another thing is his sensory function. INTJs are Se (4), whereas INTPs are Se (7). Jayfeather is often seen completely zoning out and daydreaming or getting lost in thought. While both INTJs and INTPs do this, it's more common with INTPs. INTPs are known as the most likely type to completely lose touch with reality and borderline hallucinate with how imaginative they can get.
Last and certainly least, I'm an INTP and he's my favorite character. XD Obviously it is all up to opinion, I'm not claiming to be objective here (and can personality typing ever be objective?). But I do often feel like Jayfeather is assigned INTJ just because he's grumpy and asocial, which is a common stereotype of the INTJ. INTPs are often seen as friendlier, so people wouldn't think Jayfeather could be one. But when you look at how he thinks about the world, it's consistent with a Ti/Ne process, so even though he's grumpier than the stereotypical INTP, he still meets the definitions. There's certainly an argument to be made that he's INTJ, but I think he's more consistent with INTP.
Also when searching through the old thread I found another comment I made about Jayfeather, lol:
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 13, 2021 20:37:50 GMT -5
i just re-did the quiz, and i got INTP
here's the INTP cats
Rock, Tall Shadow, Goosefeather, Ashfoot
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Post by halogen on Aug 13, 2021 21:28:54 GMT -5
Why do you think Jayfeather is INTP? I haven't read his series in a long enough time that I can't vote confidently on his type myself, so I don't have an opinion, but I would love to see your argument. It would be great if you could post it on his page on the website! Chicken made a thread over in OTD with the same title, and there we got into a conversation about typing the warrior cats, so I'll just copy-paste my reasonings from that thread. The INTJ and the INTP have completely different function stacks. An INTJ is Ni, Te, Fi, Se; while an INTP is Ti, Ne, Si, Fe. They share no functions in the conscious stack.
An INTP is very focused on logic. The Ti dominates that, obviously, but also Ne involves seeing patterns in the outside world. By contrast, the INTJ is a bit more creative (Ni) and focuses more on objective facts. They care less about why and more about how.
Jayfeather's consistently shown to care more about the why than the how. This is why he gets so mad at Rock all the time, and StarClan as well. They tell him to do things, but won't tell him why.
Also, in Sunrise we see Jayfeather solve a mystery. He does this by noticing things that are out of pattern (Leafpool's uncharacteristic behavior, for example) and researching them further (going to Mousefur for help). When he finally figures out the mystery, he doesn't leap straight to the conclusion like an Ni would, he follows the logical flow of all the details he's gathered so far and sets them into the pattern.
We also see several times in OotS that he actually does care about his social relationships. I don't want to say INTJs don't care about relationships, but... an INTJ is way more likely to just say something without caring about how it makes the other person feel. An INTP will often think of several rude things to say, but will not say them aloud because they don't want to offend the other person. Despite his reputation, Jayfeather actually does this a lot. He's described several times as "biting back" a retort in favor of a kinder phrase, and is often unsure of what to say to comfort someone (a common INTP struggle).
Another thing is his sensory function. INTJs are Se (4), whereas INTPs are Se (7). Jayfeather is often seen completely zoning out and daydreaming or getting lost in thought. While both INTJs and INTPs do this, it's more common with INTPs. INTPs are known as the most likely type to completely lose touch with reality and borderline hallucinate with how imaginative they can get.
Last and certainly least, I'm an INTP and he's my favorite character. XD Obviously it is all up to opinion, I'm not claiming to be objective here (and can personality typing ever be objective?). But I do often feel like Jayfeather is assigned INTJ just because he's grumpy and asocial, which is a common stereotype of the INTJ. INTPs are often seen as friendlier, so people wouldn't think Jayfeather could be one. But when you look at how he thinks about the world, it's consistent with a Ti/Ne process, so even though he's grumpier than the stereotypical INTP, he still meets the definitions. There's certainly an argument to be made that he's INTJ, but I think he's more consistent with INTP.
Also when searching through the old thread I found another comment I made about Jayfeather, lol: This is a good argument! You should post it on PDB, when people post arguments it can really make a big change over time. I agree that people tend to just stereotype grumpy and snarky = INTJ and that could be affecting this. Though about the Socionics thing, there is a. only one vote for his Socionics type, so it's not exactly a PDB consensus and b. there aren't really socionics equivalents, it's not was cut and dry as that, so there are plenty of both INTP LII and ILI, and INTJ LII and ILI. Get out there and post it on PDB! I would love to have other people be able to see the argument!
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Post by halogen on Aug 13, 2021 21:39:18 GMT -5
Whenever MBTI comes up it makes me wish I understood it more. I understand the basic version of it but then you get into the fuctions and all that and it all goes over my head. >.< I used to call myself an INFP--I already know that I like a lot of INFP cats bc I tend to like characters that are similar to me. I do know my Enneagram though! 6w5. Looks like Ravenpaw is a 6w5 which makes my heart happy. Stonefur is 5w6 too. Where are they getting Stonefur as 5w6 though. How does he have enough screentime (page time?) to get an idea of his core psychological motivations and all that?
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Post by Skypaw13 on Aug 13, 2021 22:07:38 GMT -5
Chicken made a thread over in OTD with the same title, and there we got into a conversation about typing the warrior cats, so I'll just copy-paste my reasonings from that thread. The INTJ and the INTP have completely different function stacks. An INTJ is Ni, Te, Fi, Se; while an INTP is Ti, Ne, Si, Fe. They share no functions in the conscious stack.
An INTP is very focused on logic. The Ti dominates that, obviously, but also Ne involves seeing patterns in the outside world. By contrast, the INTJ is a bit more creative (Ni) and focuses more on objective facts. They care less about why and more about how.
Jayfeather's consistently shown to care more about the why than the how. This is why he gets so mad at Rock all the time, and StarClan as well. They tell him to do things, but won't tell him why.
Also, in Sunrise we see Jayfeather solve a mystery. He does this by noticing things that are out of pattern (Leafpool's uncharacteristic behavior, for example) and researching them further (going to Mousefur for help). When he finally figures out the mystery, he doesn't leap straight to the conclusion like an Ni would, he follows the logical flow of all the details he's gathered so far and sets them into the pattern.
We also see several times in OotS that he actually does care about his social relationships. I don't want to say INTJs don't care about relationships, but... an INTJ is way more likely to just say something without caring about how it makes the other person feel. An INTP will often think of several rude things to say, but will not say them aloud because they don't want to offend the other person. Despite his reputation, Jayfeather actually does this a lot. He's described several times as "biting back" a retort in favor of a kinder phrase, and is often unsure of what to say to comfort someone (a common INTP struggle).
Another thing is his sensory function. INTJs are Se (4), whereas INTPs are Se (7). Jayfeather is often seen completely zoning out and daydreaming or getting lost in thought. While both INTJs and INTPs do this, it's more common with INTPs. INTPs are known as the most likely type to completely lose touch with reality and borderline hallucinate with how imaginative they can get.
Last and certainly least, I'm an INTP and he's my favorite character. XD Obviously it is all up to opinion, I'm not claiming to be objective here (and can personality typing ever be objective?). But I do often feel like Jayfeather is assigned INTJ just because he's grumpy and asocial, which is a common stereotype of the INTJ. INTPs are often seen as friendlier, so people wouldn't think Jayfeather could be one. But when you look at how he thinks about the world, it's consistent with a Ti/Ne process, so even though he's grumpier than the stereotypical INTP, he still meets the definitions. There's certainly an argument to be made that he's INTJ, but I think he's more consistent with INTP.
Also when searching through the old thread I found another comment I made about Jayfeather, lol: This is a good argument! You should post it on PDB, when people post arguments it can really make a big change over time. I agree that people tend to just stereotype grumpy and snarky = INTJ and that could be affecting this. Though about the Socionics thing, there is a. only one vote for his Socionics type, so it's not exactly a PDB consensus and b. there aren't really socionics equivalents, it's not was cut and dry as that, so there are plenty of both INTP LII and ILI, and INTJ LII and ILI. Get out there and post it on PDB! I would love to have other people be able to see the argument! I'm not well-versed in Socionics, so I don't know the inner details of it. When I researched it for the old thread it looked to me to be using the same cognitive functions as MBTI with a few extra bells and whistles surrounding the quadrants and context. One of the sites I looked at also gave "comparable Myers-Briggs type" for each Socionics type, so that's where I got that information. But this was only about one night of research, not several months worth like I have with MBTI, lol. I know there's only one Socionics vote on Jayfeather's PDB, but that just goes to show the problem with it-- the PDB will list the majority vote as that character's definitive type, even if said majority is literally only one person. There's nothing wrong with listing the consensus, but you can tell just by this thread that people then take it as definition or authorial intention rather than a majority vote. Like you mentioned earlier, always best to take these things with a grain of salt. You have my permission to copy-paste my argument to PDB if you like it that much, lol.
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Post by halogen on Aug 13, 2021 23:00:49 GMT -5
This is a good argument! You should post it on PDB, when people post arguments it can really make a big change over time. I agree that people tend to just stereotype grumpy and snarky = INTJ and that could be affecting this. Though about the Socionics thing, there is a. only one vote for his Socionics type, so it's not exactly a PDB consensus and b. there aren't really socionics equivalents, it's not was cut and dry as that, so there are plenty of both INTP LII and ILI, and INTJ LII and ILI. Get out there and post it on PDB! I would love to have other people be able to see the argument! I'm not well-versed in Socionics, so I don't know the inner details of it. When I researched it for the old thread it looked to me to be using the same cognitive functions as MBTI with a few extra bells and whistles surrounding the quadrants and context. One of the sites I looked at also gave "comparable Myers-Briggs type" for each Socionics type, so that's where I got that information. But this was only about one night of research, not several months worth like I have with MBTI, lol. I know there's only one Socionics vote on Jayfeather's PDB, but that just goes to show the problem with it-- the PDB will list the majority vote as that character's definitive type, even if said majority is literally only one person. There's nothing wrong with listing the consensus, but you can tell just by this thread that people then take it as definition or authorial intention rather than a majority vote. Like you mentioned earlier, always best to take these things with a grain of salt. You have my permission to copy-paste my argument to PDB if you like it that much, lol. I mean I don't think your argument is perfect (the definition of INTJ not caring about why as much as about how seems off, while Te cares more about objectively getting something done than the internal logic behind it but Ni, which is INTJ's dominant function, is all about looking for implications and connections of things so it would seek out the why), you have a lot of good arguments there and I think it's absolutely worth sharing. I would be happy to copy and paste the argument, though why don't you want to go on PDB yourself? You would be able to post comments as well as vote on the characters yourself to help correct their consensus. I am a little weirded out by how if I post it myself it would be obvious what my username is on PDB, even though I guess it doesn't matter in the scheme of things since it's just a username, not my real name and personal details.
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