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Aug 13, 2021 23:53:42 GMT -5
Post by Skypaw13 on Aug 13, 2021 23:53:42 GMT -5
I'm not well-versed in Socionics, so I don't know the inner details of it. When I researched it for the old thread it looked to me to be using the same cognitive functions as MBTI with a few extra bells and whistles surrounding the quadrants and context. One of the sites I looked at also gave "comparable Myers-Briggs type" for each Socionics type, so that's where I got that information. But this was only about one night of research, not several months worth like I have with MBTI, lol. I know there's only one Socionics vote on Jayfeather's PDB, but that just goes to show the problem with it-- the PDB will list the majority vote as that character's definitive type, even if said majority is literally only one person. There's nothing wrong with listing the consensus, but you can tell just by this thread that people then take it as definition or authorial intention rather than a majority vote. Like you mentioned earlier, always best to take these things with a grain of salt. You have my permission to copy-paste my argument to PDB if you like it that much, lol. I mean I don't think your argument is perfect (the definition of INTJ not caring about why as much as about how seems off, while Te cares more about objectively getting something done than the internal logic behind it but Ni, which is INTJ's dominant function, is all about looking for implications and connections of things so it would seek out the why), you have a lot of good arguments there and I think it's absolutely worth sharing. I would be happy to copy and paste the argument, though why don't you want to go on PDB yourself? You would be able to post comments as well as vote on the characters yourself to help correct their consensus. I am a little weirded out by how if I post it myself it would be obvious what my username is on PDB, even though I guess it doesn't matter in the scheme of things since it's just a username, not my real name and personal details. Because I don't use PDB and I don't have any wish to use it. Yeah, I wrote the argument about a month ago and looking back on it, the why vs. how thing is pretty confusing. I was going more for the whole "does this work" concern vs the "what is this process" concern.
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I forgot how amazing Firestar is
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Aug 14, 2021 20:41:19 GMT -5
Post by Fernflower on Aug 14, 2021 20:41:19 GMT -5
Whenever MBTI comes up it makes me wish I understood it more. I understand the basic version of it but then you get into the fuctions and all that and it all goes over my head. >.< I used to call myself an INFP--I already know that I like a lot of INFP cats bc I tend to like characters that are similar to me. I do know my Enneagram though! 6w5. Looks like Ravenpaw is a 6w5 which makes my heart happy. Stonefur is 5w6 too. Where are they getting Stonefur as 5w6 though. How does he have enough screentime (page time?) to get an idea of his core psychological motivations and all that? That's a good point. It seems like not many people voted on his type either (only 2) so I'm thinking they're mostly relying on headcanons or what seems right for him.
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Aug 14, 2021 21:14:04 GMT -5
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Aug 14, 2021 21:14:04 GMT -5
I’m definitely taking the character types on here with a grain of salt, as I know many are probably not the most accurate, but I’m an ISTJ and the listed cats with that type are: - Hollyleaf (love) - Crowfeather (neutral) - Scourge (neutral) - Yellowfang (dislike) - Stormfur (dislike) - Darkstripe (dislike) - Rosepetal (neutral) - Mousefur (like) - Crag (neutral) - Graypool (neutral) - Hawkwing (love, my favorite character!!!!!) - Hawkheart (dislike) - Twolegs (um what, how is every twoleg in the series an ISTJ?! I think this perfectly showcases why these types should not be assumed to be true) - Smoky (dislike) - Stoneteller (hate) - Snow (neutral) - Rowanclaw (neutral)
I also doubt that many of these cats have enough screentime to pin down a MBTI type for them, but this site is fun to look at anyway. I’d say my opinions on how well the types fit but I don’t feel like I remember Warriors well enough or understand MBTI typing others enough for that (I understand enough about it to type myself and I feel fairly confident in that but I’m bad at reading others and putting words to their personalities, and that includes fictional characters).
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Aug 14, 2021 22:15:09 GMT -5
Post by Ghost/Aster on Aug 14, 2021 22:15:09 GMT -5
Yeah, pdb is really cool. If anyone is wondering, I'm beefrost on there.
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Post by αɳσɱαʅყ on Aug 15, 2021 4:40:20 GMT -5
Ooooh yeah I'm an MBTI nerd. The Jayfeather INTP/J thing is interesting. I don't remember his character details all that well, but I think when it comes to typing Warriors characters, you have to zoom out and look at their overall "arc" or which trope/archetype they fill. They're not written to be well-defined or detailed, imo, so you have to look at the "macrosmic" evidence to make judgements about their type.
Some things I'd consider to weigh for INTP vs INTJ - Is his main character flaw about not engaging with other people/characters in a meaningful, impactful way, always keeping to himself (INTP's inferior Fe)? Or is it more about being passive, disconnected, and avoidant of the wider world/reality, having big ambitions or ideas but not being able to fulfil them (INTJ inferior Se)? - Does a major setback involve being stubbornly attached to an unhealthy/holds him back, but comfortable mindset, idea, cherished belief that he needs to let go in order to grow, and learn to adopt a more positive outlook (INTP Ne-Si conflict)? Or does he struggle with running into major setbacks/fixable problems/negative outcomes of his own making that he needs to step back and objectively/efficiently analyse, yet makes excuses for himself in the name of "preserving self integrity" (INTJ Te-Fi conflict)? - Does he value self-sufficiency, sometimes to the point of detachment from others (INTP Ti attitude)? Or does he value insight, and looking at the true nature/hidden meaning behind situations, sometimes to the point of inaction and dispassionate activity in more pressing matters (INTJ Ni attitude)?
INTPs fill more of a "lone-wolf" archetype, while INTJs are more of a "wise strategist" archetype.
Hope these pointers can help clear things up!
Some MBTI thoughts I have on characters-- Firestar feels very much like a typical INFP hero (principled, a dreamer/idealist, sticks with personal judgements in spite of disagreement/external voices, sensitive to emotional pain/conflict, sometimes impractical/ineffective, easily boggled down by emotional turmoil).
Usually main romantic partners balance out with an opposite type, so that would make Sandstorm ESTJ? I at least believe she is xSTx, as she is very practical, headstrong, cool-headed, and these strengths come naturally to her. They aren't put-on like some T-wannabe Fs.
Haven't paid attention to Warriors characters' MBTI types, but I do enjoy thinking on it.
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Aug 15, 2021 6:12:24 GMT -5
Post by Skypaw13 on Aug 15, 2021 6:12:24 GMT -5
Ooooh yeah I'm an MBTI nerd. The Jayfeather INTP/J thing is interesting. I don't remember his character details all that well, but I think when it comes to typing Warriors characters, you have to zoom out and look at their overall "arc" or which trope/archetype they fill. They're not written to be well-defined or detailed, imo, so you have to look at the "macrosmic" evidence to make judgements about their type. Some things I'd consider to weigh for INTP vs INTJ - Is his main character flaw about not engaging with other people/characters in a meaningful, impactful way, always keeping to himself (INTP's inferior Fe)? Or is it more about being passive, disconnected, and avoidant of the wider world/reality, having big ambitions or ideas but not being able to fulfil them (INTJ inferior Se)? - Does a major setback involve being stubbornly attached to an unhealthy/holds him back, but comfortable mindset, idea, cherished belief that he needs to let go in order to grow, and learn to adopt a more positive outlook (INTP Ne-Si conflict)? Or does he struggle with running into major setbacks/fixable problems/negative outcomes of his own making that he needs to step back and objectively/efficiently analyse, yet makes excuses for himself in the name of "preserving self integrity" (INTJ Te-Fi conflict)? - Does he value self-sufficiency, sometimes to the point of detachment from others (INTP Ti attitude)? Or does he value insight, and looking at the true nature/hidden meaning behind situations, sometimes to the point of inaction and dispassionate activity in more pressing matters (INTJ Ni attitude)? INTPs fill more of a "lone-wolf" archetype, while INTJs are more of a "wise strategist" archetype. Hope these pointers can help clear things up! That's a really interesting way to think about it! And not one I'd ever considered before. If you don't mind my asking, do you have any resources where I can learn more about internal conflicts with each MBTI type, like you listed here for the INTP/INTJ? I'd love to do more research on it, I've never seen this particular angle before. Based on what you said, I'd still say Jayfeather is an INTP, but this definitely makes it WAY more balanced than the factors I usually look at.
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Post by αɳσɱαʅყ on Aug 15, 2021 9:57:12 GMT -5
That's a really interesting way to think about it! And not one I'd ever considered before. If you don't mind my asking, do you have any resources where I can learn more about internal conflicts with each MBTI type, like you listed here for the INTP/INTJ? I'd love to do more research on it, I've never seen this particular angle before. Based on what you said, I'd still say Jayfeather is an INTP, but this definitely makes it WAY more balanced than the factors I usually look at. Happy this perspective helped out a bit! I use the mbti-notes perspective in interpreting/analysing MBTI types (mbti-notes.tumblr.com). It's a blog on tumblr run by a person trained in philosophy and does a lot of reading on psychology, so they're able to really understand and dissect Carl Jung's functions theory and present it in a more accessible format to modern readers. I believe they did a lot of work in tutoring/counseling in different countries, so they also have worked with a lot of people and are basing their MBTI theory from a large array of real people + experiences.
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Aug 15, 2021 16:30:52 GMT -5
Post by halogen on Aug 15, 2021 16:30:52 GMT -5
Ooooh yeah I'm an MBTI nerd. The Jayfeather INTP/J thing is interesting. I don't remember his character details all that well, but I think when it comes to typing Warriors characters, you have to zoom out and look at their overall "arc" or which trope/archetype they fill. They're not written to be well-defined or detailed, imo, so you have to look at the "macrosmic" evidence to make judgements about their type. Some things I'd consider to weigh for INTP vs INTJ - Is his main character flaw about not engaging with other people/characters in a meaningful, impactful way, always keeping to himself (INTP's inferior Fe)? Or is it more about being passive, disconnected, and avoidant of the wider world/reality, having big ambitions or ideas but not being able to fulfil them (INTJ inferior Se)? - Does a major setback involve being stubbornly attached to an unhealthy/holds him back, but comfortable mindset, idea, cherished belief that he needs to let go in order to grow, and learn to adopt a more positive outlook (INTP Ne-Si conflict)? Or does he struggle with running into major setbacks/fixable problems/negative outcomes of his own making that he needs to step back and objectively/efficiently analyse, yet makes excuses for himself in the name of "preserving self integrity" (INTJ Te-Fi conflict)? - Does he value self-sufficiency, sometimes to the point of detachment from others (INTP Ti attitude)? Or does he value insight, and looking at the true nature/hidden meaning behind situations, sometimes to the point of inaction and dispassionate activity in more pressing matters (INTJ Ni attitude)? INTPs fill more of a "lone-wolf" archetype, while INTJs are more of a "wise strategist" archetype. Hope these pointers can help clear things up! Some MBTI thoughts I have on characters-- Firestar feels very much like a typical INFP hero (principled, a dreamer/idealist, sticks with personal judgements in spite of disagreement/external voices, sensitive to emotional pain/conflict, sometimes impractical/ineffective, easily boggled down by emotional turmoil). Usually main romantic partners balance out with an opposite type, so that would make Sandstorm ESTJ? I at least believe she is xSTx, as she is very practical, headstrong, cool-headed, and these strengths come naturally to her. They aren't put-on like some T-wannabe Fs. Haven't paid attention to Warriors characters' MBTI types, but I do enjoy thinking on it. Interesting about Firestar, on PDB he is typed as ENFJ and that seems to make sense to me, since he has strong morals but those morals are built on societal values and unity within the Clan rather than personal depth of passion and integrity - it's only a stereotype that Fe users can't be very moralistic and be devoted to making a difference with their values, in fact they might be more likely to be like that than Fi users because Fi dominant is always refining its values and has difficulty making them take effect in the real world (inferior Te).
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Aug 15, 2021 16:31:32 GMT -5
Post by halogen on Aug 15, 2021 16:31:32 GMT -5
I mean I don't think your argument is perfect (the definition of INTJ not caring about why as much as about how seems off, while Te cares more about objectively getting something done than the internal logic behind it but Ni, which is INTJ's dominant function, is all about looking for implications and connections of things so it would seek out the why), you have a lot of good arguments there and I think it's absolutely worth sharing. I would be happy to copy and paste the argument, though why don't you want to go on PDB yourself? You would be able to post comments as well as vote on the characters yourself to help correct their consensus. I am a little weirded out by how if I post it myself it would be obvious what my username is on PDB, even though I guess it doesn't matter in the scheme of things since it's just a username, not my real name and personal details. Because I don't use PDB and I don't have any wish to use it. Yeah, I wrote the argument about a month ago and looking back on it, the why vs. how thing is pretty confusing. I was going more for the whole "does this work" concern vs the "what is this process" concern. Ok, I will post your argument on Jayfeather's page.
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Post by Cheetahstar on Aug 15, 2021 17:39:39 GMT -5
Both me and Appledusk...are ENTP?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Post by αɳσɱαʅყ on Aug 15, 2021 22:20:56 GMT -5
Interesting about Firestar, on PDB he is typed as ENFJ and that seems to make sense to me, since he has strong morals but those morals are built on societal values and unity within the Clan rather than personal depth of passion and integrity - it's only a stereotype that Fe users can't be very moralistic and be devoted to making a difference with their values, in fact they might be more likely to be like that than Fi users because Fi dominant is always refining its values and has difficulty making them take effect in the real world (inferior Te). Hm I can see that. I'm not fully set on any type for Firestar in any case, the only thing certain to me is that F is very clear, and he tends to lean towards the idealism of Ns so... an NF. ENFP is the least likely of the four NF types, but I think INFP is most likely imo. Rather than struggle with a sense of identity (inferior Si), Firestar is very certain of who he is and acts with utmost integrity, never compromising his values (indicating higher introverted function, probably Fi). I built up an INFP Firestar case below: When he is spurred by feeling, it always stems from within first. What I mean by this is, his sense of right and wrong isn't focused on the objective, external world (extroverted feelings), but rather on his subjective, internal world (introverted feeling). Usually, it's the case that he is moved to action when his strong feeling judgment kicks in, needing to really assess what the situation means to him before he can start task (suggesting introverted feeling is dominant, and then he moves to extroverted action).
Also, Firestar doesn't face the same setbacks as an ENFJ would. When their back is pushed against a wall, ENFJ's Fe makes them too overbearing, too meddling, a little too eager to help that they walk all over boundaries and end up getting themselves hurt. This leads to lashing out, frustrated the world cannot coexist peacefully they can resort to manipulative tactics to make reality fit what they wish to see, not realising that it's not real/genuine, running from the truth of themselves. This is the dark side of Fe, when Ni-Se conflict is brought out.
Whereas the INFP's darker side involves Ne-Si, being self-absorbed in their Fi world, they are crushed when they realise they cannot realize their values into reality. They become convinced that their past failures and setbacks holds them back, unable to protect what they hold dear. They may lash out at anybody who tries to help them see a better way out, or force themselves to right those wrongs to the point of severe burnout. When Firestar is in a dark place, I notice he tends to retreat into himself and brood about how helpless and powerless he feels. I think this lines up much more with INFP.
And what F doesn't care about social harmony to some extent? Like, I feel like his morals being built around societal values (the warrior code) is more situational-- he's an outsider trying to fit into a new social group. Of course he would work harder to adopt them. Yet he's actually pretty fickle about when he can abide to them or not, he tells Cloudkit that the others just won't understand their need to visit Princess (shirking duties to visit an outsider). He often knows what he feels is right even when it goes against the rest of the Clan's word, like going against Bluestar's orders several times. Even the whole reason he joined the Clans was more of some mixture of yearning for freedom/feeling like his current life isn't true to who he is (Fi) and following an Ne whim to join them since it's an exciting change of pace.
I also feel like the many times he hurt Sandstorm's feelings stem from Fi issues-- being a little too self-focused that he cannot see the consequences his actions will have on somebody else (weak Te). One big example, with the whole Spottedleaf drama, even as Sandstorm expressed her insecurity to him ("I know you'd prefer her here more than me") he's still shocked that Sandstorm tells Spottedleaf that she had doubts about their relationship ("But I thought you knew how I felt about you!"). An extroverted type, especially an ExFx type would pick up on this waaay earlier than Firestar. Fe especially, makes Feeling judgements based on the external feeling world, so it is more attuned to social dynamics (e.g. how is he doing as Sandstorm's mate, is she his happy mate?). Fi's Feeling judgements are derived from the internal, his own feelings/judgements on the situation (e.g. does the relationship make me happy? it does, and it is good, so Sandstorm must be happy too).
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Aug 16, 2021 10:59:13 GMT -5
Post by halogen on Aug 16, 2021 10:59:13 GMT -5
Interesting about Firestar, on PDB he is typed as ENFJ and that seems to make sense to me, since he has strong morals but those morals are built on societal values and unity within the Clan rather than personal depth of passion and integrity - it's only a stereotype that Fe users can't be very moralistic and be devoted to making a difference with their values, in fact they might be more likely to be like that than Fi users because Fi dominant is always refining its values and has difficulty making them take effect in the real world (inferior Te). Hm I can see that. I'm not fully set on any type for Firestar in any case, the only thing certain to me is that F is very clear, and he tends to lean towards the idealism of Ns so... an NF. ENFP is the least likely of the four NF types, but I think INFP is most likely imo. Rather than struggle with a sense of identity (inferior Si), Firestar is very certain of who he is and acts with utmost integrity, never compromising his values (indicating higher introverted function, probably Fi). I built up an INFP Firestar case below: When he is spurred by feeling, it always stems from within first. What I mean by this is, his sense of right and wrong isn't focused on the objective, external world (extroverted feelings), but rather on his subjective, internal world (introverted feeling). Usually, it's the case that he is moved to action when his strong feeling judgment kicks in, needing to really assess what the situation means to him before he can start task (suggesting introverted feeling is dominant, and then he moves to extroverted action).
Also, Firestar doesn't face the same setbacks as an ENFJ would. When their back is pushed against a wall, ENFJ's Fe makes them too overbearing, too meddling, a little too eager to help that they walk all over boundaries and end up getting themselves hurt. This leads to lashing out, frustrated the world cannot coexist peacefully they can resort to manipulative tactics to make reality fit what they wish to see, not realising that it's not real/genuine, running from the truth of themselves. This is the dark side of Fe, when Ni-Se conflict is brought out.
Whereas the INFP's darker side involves Ne-Si, being self-absorbed in their Fi world, they are crushed when they realise they cannot realize their values into reality. They become convinced that their past failures and setbacks holds them back, unable to protect what they hold dear. They may lash out at anybody who tries to help them see a better way out, or force themselves to right those wrongs to the point of severe burnout. When Firestar is in a dark place, I notice he tends to retreat into himself and brood about how helpless and powerless he feels. I think this lines up much more with INFP.
And what F doesn't care about social harmony to some extent? Like, I feel like his morals being built around societal values (the warrior code) is more situational-- he's an outsider trying to fit into a new social group. Of course he would work harder to adopt them. Yet he's actually pretty fickle about when he can abide to them or not, he tells Cloudkit that the others just won't understand their need to visit Princess (shirking duties to visit an outsider). He often knows what he feels is right even when it goes against the rest of the Clan's word, like going against Bluestar's orders several times. Even the whole reason he joined the Clans was more of some mixture of yearning for freedom/feeling like his current life isn't true to who he is (Fi) and following an Ne whim to join them since it's an exciting change of pace.
I also feel like the many times he hurt Sandstorm's feelings stem from Fi issues-- being a little too self-focused that he cannot see the consequences his actions will have on somebody else (weak Te). One big example, with the whole Spottedleaf drama, even as Sandstorm expressed her insecurity to him ("I know you'd prefer her here more than me") he's still shocked that Sandstorm tells Spottedleaf that she had doubts about their relationship ("But I thought you knew how I felt about you!"). An extroverted type, especially an ExFx type would pick up on this waaay earlier than Firestar. Fe especially, makes Feeling judgements based on the external feeling world, so it is more attuned to social dynamics (e.g. how is he doing as Sandstorm's mate, is she his happy mate?). Fi's Feeling judgements are derived from the internal, his own feelings/judgements on the situation (e.g. does the relationship make me happy? it does, and it is good, so Sandstorm must be happy too).
Interesting! I feel like if he is an Fi user, though, he would be ISFP rather than INFP, since he seems to use a lot of Se. He's always very good at realizing his surroundings and making resourceful decisions in the moment, that's why he is shown to be such a clever fighter. Not to mention his reaction when he finally gets to confront Tigerstar - he much prefers the simplicity of confrontation in the moment to having to logically solve the mysteries about Tigersstar (Ti, which he is shown to be very bad at). So ENFJ or ISFP but not INFP. If I have your permission, I would love to post this argument to PDB though!
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Aug 16, 2021 11:40:02 GMT -5
Post by αɳσɱαʅყ on Aug 16, 2021 11:40:02 GMT -5
Interesting! I feel like if he is an Fi user, though, he would be ISFP rather than INFP, since he seems to use a lot of Se. He's always very good at realizing his surroundings and making resourceful decisions in the moment, that's why he is shown to be such a clever fighter. Not to mention his reaction when he finally gets to confront Tigerstar - he much prefers the simplicity of confrontation in the moment to having to logically solve the mysteries about Tigersstar (Ti, which he is shown to be very bad at). So ENFJ or ISFP but not INFP. If I have your permission, I would love to post this argument to PDB though! If you want to put the argument on, feel free. I don't think it's a great case for INFP specifically since it's more of an Fi/Fe comparison, though. I just want to say, be careful about equating being aware/resourceful for Se. There are a lot of situational factors that can make somebody behave this way. Like, in Warrior Cats, all the main characters are wild cats who always need to be aware of their surroundings, be skilled and quick fighters, and go by instinct. That doesn't mean it's Se, even if it can look like Se behaviour. Se, as a cognitive function, is more about paying most attention to objective, sensory data. Picking out sensory info that is most striking to the senses, being opportunistic and leaping at exciting situations for sensory stimuli, and as a lower function, fear/avoidance at the notion of constant change and an instable relationship with the sensory world. Also, Se always comes with Ni in the package, and when it comes to both N functions, Firestar demonstrates more of Ne's strengths and weaknesses than Ni.
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Aug 16, 2021 12:00:22 GMT -5
Post by Chicken on Aug 16, 2021 12:00:22 GMT -5
Relevant, but fairly unimportant, but I figured I'd post it anyway. I think Sandgorse might be an ISTP or ISFP. I'm not saying that because he builds tunnels, though, that is a part of it. He's obviously a sensing type, no doubt about that. I am a bit confused on if he uses FI or TI for his decision making though. However, I'm leaning more towards ISTP, because in a video I watched, I learned that a lot of ISTPS love to teach people what they know, and they will lose respect for anyone they deem unteachable, even their own children, and my mind automatically thought of Sandgorse. He might be something else though, but those are just my thoughts.
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Aug 17, 2021 15:07:35 GMT -5
Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Aug 17, 2021 15:07:35 GMT -5
Alright, my MBTI is INTP, so let's see what characters I got: Rock Tall Shadow Goosefeather Ashfoot Alright, I don't care about Rock, I just think he's weird. Tall Shadow is one of my absolute faves Goosefeather is honestly amazing. Ashfoot is cool.
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Aug 21, 2021 13:12:23 GMT -5
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Post by Redstorm on Aug 21, 2021 13:12:23 GMT -5
I'm an INTJ. But love the discussion of mbti beyond the 16personalities stuff I hear with most people.
I actually argued on PDB about Leafpool. I think she's an INFP and I made a short comment on it and some guy got all aggressive with me thinking my short comment was my entire justification. So I had to re edit a longer comment using cognitive functions to justify. Sometimes there can be some arrogance and edginess on PDB.
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Aug 21, 2021 13:33:24 GMT -5
Post by αɳσɱαʅყ on Aug 21, 2021 13:33:24 GMT -5
I'm an INTJ. But love the discussion of mbti beyond the 16personalities stuff I hear with most people. I actually argued on PDB about Leafpool. I think she's an INFP and I made a short comment on it and some guy got all aggressive with me thinking my short comment was my entire justification. So I had to re edit a longer comment using cognitive functions to justify. Sometimes there can be some arrogance and edginess on PDB. Oh fun, I also love a hearty MBTI convo. What's the INFP Leafpool case?
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Aug 22, 2021 10:01:58 GMT -5
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Post by Redstorm on Aug 22, 2021 10:01:58 GMT -5
I'm an INTJ. But love the discussion of mbti beyond the 16personalities stuff I hear with most people. I actually argued on PDB about Leafpool. I think she's an INFP and I made a short comment on it and some guy got all aggressive with me thinking my short comment was my entire justification. So I had to re edit a longer comment using cognitive functions to justify. Sometimes there can be some arrogance and edginess on PDB. Oh fun, I also love a hearty MBTI convo. What's the INFP Leafpool case? on here! I'm Zeitgeist on there. www.personality-database.com/profile/6805/leafpool-warriors-series-mbti-personality-typeThe original comment was more seeing introverted feeling than extroverted feeling. More focus on authenticity than harmony. I could see isfp for her maybe, but I don't think she fits an extraverted feeling vibe. Would love to hear your thoughts!
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Post by αɳσɱαʅყ on Aug 22, 2021 11:34:17 GMT -5
Oh cool, I saw that one. I don't remember Leafpool's details all that well (as is the case for most of the cats lol), but I can see the Crowfeather stuff as being Fi-Ne at play, with Fi wanting to do the best thing for herself but Ne creating doubts/too many possible paths to pursue that she can't decide which one she truly wants. So, she has to actually experience a dire situation that actually puts her to the test and she figures out what she wants (bringing Ne some groundedness that informs her introverted feeling). One thing I do recommend for a more convincing case is to look out for signs of function misuse as well. Meaning, look for the flaws of dominant Fi, the uneasy push-pull dynamic of aux Ne trying to tell Fi to expand their horizons but tert Si trying to keep Fi in its comfort zones, and ofc, the unconscious inferior Te fears that bursts out in a dark place.
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Aug 22, 2021 20:38:12 GMT -5
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Post by Redstorm on Aug 22, 2021 20:38:12 GMT -5
Oh cool, I saw that one. I don't remember Leafpool's details all that well (as is the case for most of the cats lol), but I can see the Crowfeather stuff as being Fi-Ne at play, with Fi wanting to do the best thing for herself but Ne creating doubts/too many possible paths to pursue that she can't decide which one she truly wants. So, she has to actually experience a dire situation that actually puts her to the test and she figures out what she wants (bringing Ne some groundedness that informs her introverted feeling). One thing I do recommend for a more convincing case is to look out for signs of function misuse as well. Meaning, look for the flaws of dominant Fi, the uneasy push-pull dynamic of aux Ne trying to tell Fi to expand their horizons but tert Si trying to keep Fi in its comfort zones, and ofc, the unconscious inferior Te fears that bursts out in a dark place. definitely true. I actually have a clearer picture of how extraverted intuition plays into her and how the other functions react now. Thanks!
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