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Post by Aqua on Aug 8, 2021 11:10:17 GMT -5
How do you feel about the way they handle it, especially in TBC? I feel like it's a bit much, and it really drove me to dislike both characters at this point. Which is a shame, because Ashfur used to be one of my favorite villains. I can't take him seriously anymore since TBC.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Aug 8, 2021 13:34:36 GMT -5
I think it's been done well.
He slowly spiraled and now, after years of stewing on it, finally reached his breaking point and has decided she will be his no matter the cost. Definitely has Frollo vibes. He's a character you love to hate
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Post by Hollyfall on Aug 8, 2021 17:40:35 GMT -5
I think it's been written pretty well. He's had years to fester in StarClan, and clearly spending time away from Squirrelflight didn't change him. Heck, if anything, it's stronger than what it was in his life. Real-life incels are like this, feeling so entitled to someone's affections that they can and will go out of their way to hurt and abuse them and those they love, and will try anything to go and achieve that.
I think that's what makes Ashfur such an effective villain. It's despicable that he genuinely feels like her owns her love, is outright abusive to her and her family, and is completely set on ruining her life, but at the same time his obsession is rather pitiable because he's willing to do everything he's done simply for the affirmation that his ex who dumped him like 40 years ago still loves him. Sort of...humanizes him, and makes Ashfur a character that you love to hate.
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Post by Rainsplash on Aug 8, 2021 19:17:17 GMT -5
I'm still cross over the fact that in SqH they're all so like "Oh, we're happy now in StarClan!!" with Ashfur looking very okay, and Hollyleaf too looking very okay. Oh, but of course.
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Post by largefoot on Aug 8, 2021 19:24:46 GMT -5
Back in Into The Wild, I was actually hoping he would be the main character of a story arc, but I quickly grew to hate him because I love Brambleclaw. I think he showed promise, and, in Yellowfang's own words, "His only fault was loving too much.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 8, 2021 19:39:28 GMT -5
Back in Into The Wild, I was actually hoping he would be the main character of a story arc, but I quickly grew to hate him because I love Brambleclaw. I think he showed promise, and, in Yellowfang's own words, "His only fault was loving too much. ashfur never loved squirrelflight, and most of the fandom agrees that yellowfang's words on ashfur were total crap anyways and dont make sense. he only went to starclan because no one on the writers team told vicky no on that decision and they let her put him in where he didnt belong, creating all these plot problems just because of author bias. ashfur was obsessed with the IDEA of squirrelflight. he didnt truly know her or understand her. if he did, then he wouldnt have obsessed over her safety or think she needed constantly coddling like she's helpless. if he truly "loved" her, then he would have respected her decision to be with brambleclaw and not him...obviously, he didnt. his love was fake from the beginning because he's completely delusional.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Aug 8, 2021 20:28:46 GMT -5
Back in Into The Wild, I was actually hoping he would be the main character of a story arc, but I quickly grew to hate him because I love Brambleclaw. I think he showed promise, and, in Yellowfang's own words, "His only fault was loving too much. Obsession that leads to attempted murder of 3 and actual murder of 1 is not ~loving too much~
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Post by whiteflight on Aug 8, 2021 22:23:56 GMT -5
I liked Ashfur before he died since he was a great "secret villain" in PoT. I did dislike him going to Starclan but later decided to just forget about him. When I heard people talking about him in Starclan in one of the SE's (I stopped reading warriors so I just get info from people) it seems like he was doing fine and showed no hate towards anyone. Then all of a sudden he's the new mastermind behind everything which imo is dumb and made me hate him and Squrrielflight. Ashfur is somehow an OP villain who can block Starclan connection and take over Bramblestar's body easily and Squrrielflight is back in the spotlight as a "main character" again. This new drama was not needed at all they could have had anyone else be the villain but they just had to choose him. (Sorry for this huge rant. I just hate what is happening right now with Warriors).
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 8, 2021 23:06:43 GMT -5
I liked Ashfur before he died since he was a great "secret villain" in PoT. I did dislike him going to Starclan but later decided to just forget about him. When I heard people talking about him in Starclan in one of the SE's (I stopped reading warriors so I just get info from people) it seems like he was doing fine and showed no hate towards anyone. Then all of a sudden he's the new mastermind behind everything which imo is dumb and made me hate him and Squrrielflight. Ashfur is somehow an OP villain who can block Starclan connection and take over Bramblestar's body easily and Squrrielflight is back in the spotlight as a "main character" again. This new drama was not needed at all they could have had anyone else be the villain but they just had to choose him. (Sorry for this huge rant. I just hate what is happening right now with Warriors). i agree with ur reply so much (wish i could frame it on my wall lol). its the fandom's insistence that lead to the mess that is TBC. if people just let ashfur go and just let things be, this wouldnt have happened. while i agree that vickys decision to put him in starclan was stupid, its still something that happened in canon. talking about ashfur for so many years forced the team's hand.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Aug 9, 2021 0:34:39 GMT -5
Honestly...she's not even worth it. I like Ashfur, but the only enjoyment I'm getting out of him right now is seeing him fling Squirrel around like a ragdoll and running the DF I guess. But there's like...no explanation as to how he does certain things, so whereas it is entertaining for now...it still leaves me with so many questions?
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Aug 9, 2021 5:12:39 GMT -5
Tbh, i agree with what everyone said here. He's honestly one of my villians up to date, and i love how they're handling him. The way they're adding elements of horror into the books, and give Ashfur such characterization that his motivation is even realistic, makes me love the arc even more. He may be xenophobic, abusive, and an incel, but he's a really entertaining villian. I love to hate him.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Aug 9, 2021 8:25:40 GMT -5
I'm still cross over the fact that in SqH they're all so like "Oh, we're happy now in StarClan!!" with Ashfur looking very okay, and Hollyleaf too looking very okay. Oh, but of course. I actually thought that particular scene with Ashfur and Hollyleaf getting along in StarClan was creepy as heck. After all, he tried to murder her and her brothers (and Squirrelflight) in a fire while she ended up killing him. I'm very sure this scene was supposed to give just the smallest of hints at something not being quite alright with him. Squirrelflight also felt extremly uncomfortable about how they seemingly had forgiven each other.
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Post by vectoring34 on Aug 9, 2021 8:36:49 GMT -5
I'm still cross over the fact that in SqH they're all so like "Oh, we're happy now in StarClan!!" with Ashfur looking very okay, and Hollyleaf too looking very okay. Oh, but of course. I actually thought that particular scene with Ashfur and Hollyleaf getting along in StarClan was creepy as heck. After all, he tried to murder her and her brothers (and Squirrelflight) in a fire while she ended up killing him. I'm very sure this scene was supposed to give just the smallest of hints at something not being quite alright with him. Squirrelflight also felt extremly uncomfortable about how they seemingly had forgiven each other. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I called it being a red herring when it first came out. It felt like such an obvious scene telling the readers "something's off". At the time I suspected that maybe Hollyleaf was working with him, but maybe Ashfur was testing his ability to mind control on her? Or else it's just a sign of how Starclan had grown stupid enough to trust Ashfur, as Firestar upbraids them for it later. Either way, nothing about that scene was anything but a shiver in the back of my mind.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Aug 9, 2021 8:44:51 GMT -5
I actually thought that particular scene with Ashfur and Hollyleaf getting along in StarClan was creepy as heck. After all, he tried to murder her and her brothers (and Squirrelflight) in a fire while she ended up killing him. I'm very sure this scene was supposed to give just the smallest of hints at something not being quite alright with him. Squirrelflight also felt extremly uncomfortable about how they seemingly had forgiven each other. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I called it being a red herring when it first came out. It felt like such an obvious scene telling the readers "something's off". At the time I suspected that maybe Hollyleaf was working with him, but maybe Ashfur was testing his ability to mind control on her? Or else it's just a sign of how Starclan had grown stupid enough to trust Ashfur, as Firestar upbraids them for it later. Either way, nothing about that scene was anything but a shiver in the back of my mind. Oh, absolutely. That scene never came off as "cute" to me and also certainly didn't fool me into seriously believing those two with such a terrible shared history were really friends and had forgiven each other for what happened between them and what they did to the other. I'm a bit surprised Hollyleaf hasn't shown up in TBC yet (or maybe I missed it) and wasn't mentioned by any character, more specifically Ashfur (or perhaps I missed that as well). He's definitely still pissed at her for killing him.
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Post by Aqua on Aug 9, 2021 9:34:17 GMT -5
I'm still cross over the fact that in SqH they're all so like "Oh, we're happy now in StarClan!!" with Ashfur looking very okay, and Hollyleaf too looking very okay. Oh, but of course. I actually thought that particular scene with Ashfur and Hollyleaf getting along in StarClan was creepy as heck. After all, he tried to murder her and her brothers (and Squirrelflight) in a fire while she ended up killing him. I'm very sure this scene was supposed to give just the smallest of hints at something not being quite alright with him. Squirrelflight also felt extremly uncomfortable about how they seemingly had forgiven each other. Hollyleaf most likely forgave Ashfur to keep her peace. She moved on a long time ago. I wonder how she feels about Ashfur now, though. But I don't see how this scene is "creepy", and about Squirrelflight feeling uncomfortable about them getting along... tbh it's really none of her business whether they do or not.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Aug 9, 2021 10:17:00 GMT -5
I actually thought that particular scene with Ashfur and Hollyleaf getting along in StarClan was creepy as heck. After all, he tried to murder her and her brothers (and Squirrelflight) in a fire while she ended up killing him. I'm very sure this scene was supposed to give just the smallest of hints at something not being quite alright with him. Squirrelflight also felt extremly uncomfortable about how they seemingly had forgiven each other. Hollyleaf most likely forgave Ashfur to keep her peace. She moved on a long time ago. I wonder how she feels about Ashfur now, though. But I don't see how this scene is "creepy", and about Squirrelflight feeling uncomfortable about them getting along... tbh it's really none of her business whether they do or not. I already explained why exactly that scene gave me the creeps. It was due to their shared history of violence against the other (or in Ashfur's case it was attempted violence by wanting to burn her to death). The way in which Hollyleaf casually stated that he had apologized and changed just felt off and Ashfur nooding at them in a friendly manner was indeed creepy, at least to me. Hollyleaf later stating that what he did is no longer important seems very ironic when considering the events of TBC. Also, what exactly do you mean with that it's none of Squirrelflight's business? Hollyleaf is her (adopted) daughter who she is seeing for the first time since her death. And the cat being in her immeadiate vicinity is someone who literally tried to murder her (both Squirrel and Holly as well as Lion and Jay). Of course, she would be uncomfortable with the situation and has every right to be.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 9, 2021 10:18:12 GMT -5
Yes, it was definitely handled well. Ashfur's an incel, but that's exactly what makes him so scary and I'm just glad TBC is basically being used as an excuse to show that he's actually a villain and should've never been allowed in StarClan in the first place. It doesn't matter how long ago it was, because before TBC, it still sent a really bad message.
Kids are smarter than we give them credit for, but to say that they aren't influenced by the things they consume isn't exactly realistic, either. The Ashfur Wars, anyone? And the fact that Vicky herself tried to justify his actions just because she pitied him doesn't really help, either. Imagine if Tigerstar was treated as justified in how he tried to make ShadowClan great again.
Was it dragged out? As a fan of TBC, yes. But had Ashfur been sent to the Dark Forest like he should've been or had this been a plot point much sooner, TBC likely wouldn't have even existed in the first place.
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Post by Aqua on Aug 9, 2021 10:32:22 GMT -5
Hollyleaf most likely forgave Ashfur to keep her peace. She moved on a long time ago. I wonder how she feels about Ashfur now, though. But I don't see how this scene is "creepy", and about Squirrelflight feeling uncomfortable about them getting along... tbh it's really none of her business whether they do or not. I already explained why exactly that scene gave me the creeps. It was due to their shared history of violence against the other (or in Ashfur's case it was attempted violence by wanting to burn her to death). The way in which Hollyleaf casually stated that he had apologized and changed just felt off and Ashfur nooding at them in a friendly manner was indeed creepy, at least to me. Hollyleaf later stating that what he did is no longer important seems very ironic when considering the events of TBC. Also, what exactly do you mean with that it's none of Squirrelflight's business? Hollyleaf is her (adopted) daughter who she is seeing for the first time since her death. And the cat being in her immeadiate vicinity is someone who literally tried to murder her (both Squirrel and Holly as well as Lion and Jay). Of course, she would be uncomfortable with the situation and has every right to be. Okay, we'll just have to agree to disagree then.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 9, 2021 10:42:41 GMT -5
I'm still cross over the fact that in SqH they're all so like "Oh, we're happy now in StarClan!!" with Ashfur looking very okay, and Hollyleaf too looking very okay. Oh, but of course. I actually thought that particular scene with Ashfur and Hollyleaf getting along in StarClan was creepy as heck. After all, he tried to murder her and her brothers (and Squirrelflight) in a fire while she ended up killing him. I'm very sure this scene was supposed to give just the smallest of hints at something not being quite alright with him. Squirrelflight also felt extremly uncomfortable about how they seemingly had forgiven each other. I hated that part! It really was unsettling how casual Hollyleaf was about it. It's one thing if she forgave him (years have passed by this point and they're dead, so I guess it's kinda understandable), but this? It was done way too casually for me to just accept it. Ashfur tried to kill Squirrelflight's kits, threatened to reveal the secret, and then Hollyleaf killed him. These two have a dark history together, so you think there'd be a little more than what we got. A glance, some hesitation, anything would've been better than a "not really" and "Hollyleaf licked a paw absently." Squirrelflight was nowhere near as concerned as I would've been if I was her. And we know the part about StarClan not caring about the past isn't true. Maybe it isn't to most cats, but the fact that Squirrelflight and Leafpool were given a trial at all should say something, even if the cats judging them weren't directly affected.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Aug 9, 2021 10:54:27 GMT -5
I actually thought that particular scene with Ashfur and Hollyleaf getting along in StarClan was creepy as heck. After all, he tried to murder her and her brothers (and Squirrelflight) in a fire while she ended up killing him. I'm very sure this scene was supposed to give just the smallest of hints at something not being quite alright with him. Squirrelflight also felt extremly uncomfortable about how they seemingly had forgiven each other. I hated that part! It really was unsettling how casual Hollyleaf was about it. It's one thing if she forgave him (years have passed by this point and they're dead, so I guess it's kinda understandable), but this? It was done way too casually for me to just accept it. Ashfur tried to kill Squirrelflight's kits, threatened to reveal the secret, and then Hollyleaf killed him. These two have a dark history together, so you think there'd be a little more than what we got. A glance, some hesitation, anything would've been better than a "not really" and "Hollyleaf licked a paw absently." Squirrelflight was nowhere near as concerned as I would've been if I was her. And we know the part about StarClan not caring about the past isn't true. Maybe it isn't to most cats, but the fact that Squirrelflight and Leafpool were given a trial at all should say something, even if the cats judging them weren't directly affected. I 100 % agree with you on that! It was so unsettling to read this scene with Ashfur and Hollyleaf acting like nothing bad ever happened between them. Also, Hollyleaf saying that his horrible actions don't matter anymore in StarClan shortly before her mother and adoptive mother are being put on trial by them for something that happened a while ago as well is either completely hypocritical on the part of StarClan or just another writing inconsistency but this time happening in the exact same book and only a few pages apart.
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Post by Chicken on Aug 9, 2021 11:58:24 GMT -5
I hate it, I don't care if it's realistic or whatever it makes it where Squirrelflight is the focus of TBC and it's okay if other people don't think so, but I do, there were times in Darkness Within when Bristle and Root got back, and it literally seemed like it was Squirrelflight's POV. They really should have done this Ashfur thing in the last arc where Alderheart was a POV character and saved Darktail for another arc, getting someone who is closer to Squirrelflight involved would have made things more interesting, and there would have been more connections to her than just Ashfur, so it would have made the focus on her less annoying.
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Post by cygna on Aug 9, 2021 16:34:38 GMT -5
I honestly hated the way they handled it.
There is really no good reason for Ashfur "loving" Squirrelflight. She wasn't close to him throughout his whole life or anything that he would be delusional enough to believe she felt something for him and for it to feel like a "betrayal" when she chooses to be with Brambleclaw.
He's literally a villain because the Erins need a villian. Not because he's a well thought out character with motivation that makes sense and explanations to his actions or even explicit mental illness.
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Post by Hollyfall on Aug 9, 2021 16:52:44 GMT -5
I hated that part! It really was unsettling how casual Hollyleaf was about it. It's one thing if she forgave him (years have passed by this point and they're dead, so I guess it's kinda understandable), but this? It was done way too casually for me to just accept it. Ashfur tried to kill Squirrelflight's kits, threatened to reveal the secret, and then Hollyleaf killed him. These two have a dark history together, so you think there'd be a little more than what we got. A glance, some hesitation, anything would've been better than a "not really" and "Hollyleaf licked a paw absently." Squirrelflight was nowhere near as concerned as I would've been if I was her. And we know the part about StarClan not caring about the past isn't true. Maybe it isn't to most cats, but the fact that Squirrelflight and Leafpool were given a trial at all should say something, even if the cats judging them weren't directly affected. I 100 % agree with you on that! It was so unsettling to read this scene with Ashfur and Hollyleaf acting like nothing bad ever happened between them. Also, Hollyleaf saying that his horrible actions don't matter anymore in StarClan shortly before her mother and adoptive mother are being put on trial by them for something that happened a while ago as well is either completely hypocritical on the part of StarClan or just another writing inconsistency but this time happening in the exact same book and only a few pages apart. Completely agreed! I was also under the impression that Ashfur was "at peace" in StarClan because it had been a good few years since he saw Squirrelflight last, so it may have (for lack of a better word) suppressed his feelings for her, hence why he appeared so casually in SqH and why Hollyleaf seemed at relative peace with him. It was seeing Squirrelflight in StarClan again that sort of...reignited the spark and is what drove him to do what he's done in TBC. Sort of like a second rejection where he learns that she's gone back to be with Bramblestar instead of staying in StarClan with him, and ultimately revealing that he's never changed since dying.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Aug 9, 2021 17:48:00 GMT -5
I honestly hated the way they handled it. There is really no good reason for Ashfur "loving" Squirrelflight. She wasn't close to him throughout his whole life or anything that he would be delusional enough to believe she felt something for him and for it to feel like a "betrayal" when she chooses to be with Brambleclaw. He's literally a villain because the Erins need a villian. Not because he's a well thought out character with motivation that makes sense and explanations to his actions or even explicit mental illness. To be fair a lot of incels are like that- they have one positive interaction with a woman and suddenly they're obsessed with that woman for life.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 9, 2021 17:54:30 GMT -5
I honestly hated the way they handled it. There is really no good reason for Ashfur "loving" Squirrelflight. She wasn't close to him throughout his whole life or anything that he would be delusional enough to believe she felt something for him and for it to feel like a "betrayal" when she chooses to be with Brambleclaw. He's literally a villain because the Erins need a villian. Not because he's a well thought out character with motivation that makes sense and explanations to his actions or even explicit mental illness. i agree. before squirrelpaw left, ashfur didnt treat her special or different at all...like if they wanted to give squirrelflight love drama, then brambleclaw's thing with hawkfrost should have been enough. there was no need for a second love interest to make a crappy love triangle...it was so pointless. ashfur didnt give two craps when squirrelpaw left, but he acts like they were super close when she returns and he's like "omg i missed u so much!" and touches noses or nuzzles her (i forget the specifics of the scene, but it sticks out in my mind, so i apologize if i misremembered the details).
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Aug 9, 2021 17:54:38 GMT -5
It's made me dislike Ashfur even more. His story ended in POT; he shouldn't be relevant again.
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Post by cygna on Aug 9, 2021 18:40:36 GMT -5
I honestly hated the way they handled it. There is really no good reason for Ashfur "loving" Squirrelflight. She wasn't close to him throughout his whole life or anything that he would be delusional enough to believe she felt something for him and for it to feel like a "betrayal" when she chooses to be with Brambleclaw. He's literally a villain because the Erins need a villian. Not because he's a well thought out character with motivation that makes sense and explanations to his actions or even explicit mental illness. To be fair a lot of incels are like that- they have one positive interaction with a woman and suddenly they're obsessed with that woman for life. I've never met an incel but sure. That wasn't really the point I was trying to make though. I was saying I thought the Erins didn't handle his character well and made him a boring lackluster villain.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Aug 9, 2021 19:39:48 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I called it being a red herring when it first came out. It felt like such an obvious scene telling the readers "something's off". At the time I suspected that maybe Hollyleaf was working with him, but maybe Ashfur was testing his ability to mind control on her? Or else it's just a sign of how Starclan had grown stupid enough to trust Ashfur, as Firestar upbraids them for it later. Either way, nothing about that scene was anything but a shiver in the back of my mind. Oh, absolutely. That scene never came off as "cute" to me and also certainly didn't fool me into seriously believing those two with such a terrible shared history were really friends and had forgiven each other for what happened between them and what they did to the other. I'm a bit surprised Hollyleaf hasn't shown up in TBC yet (or maybe I missed it) and wasn't mentioned by any character, more specifically Ashfur (or perhaps I missed that as well). He's definitely still pissed at her for killing him. She hasn't appeared yet, though I'm sure she will. So far, we've had Firestar yelling at people for trusting someone like Ashfur (who successfully helped take one of his lives). And Leafpool being concerned about the state of everything. That's all we've gotten from Starclan, as well as Harestar being able to use his lives properly
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Post by Rainsplash on Aug 9, 2021 20:06:00 GMT -5
I'm still cross over the fact that in SqH they're all so like "Oh, we're happy now in StarClan!!" with Ashfur looking very okay, and Hollyleaf too looking very okay. Oh, but of course. I actually thought that particular scene with Ashfur and Hollyleaf getting along in StarClan was creepy as heck. After all, he tried to murder her and her brothers (and Squirrelflight) in a fire while she ended up killing him. I'm very sure this scene was supposed to give just the smallest of hints at something not being quite alright with him. Squirrelflight also felt extremly uncomfortable about how they seemingly had forgiven each other. It may be creepy, but I felt like everything was fine and it was over.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Aug 10, 2021 7:32:54 GMT -5
I actually thought that particular scene with Ashfur and Hollyleaf getting along in StarClan was creepy as heck. After all, he tried to murder her and her brothers (and Squirrelflight) in a fire while she ended up killing him. I'm very sure this scene was supposed to give just the smallest of hints at something not being quite alright with him. Squirrelflight also felt extremly uncomfortable about how they seemingly had forgiven each other. It may be creepy, but I felt like everything was fine and it was over. Perhaps it was fine for him until a certain point and then what Hollyfall said might have happened. Ashfur could have seen Squirrelflight in StarClan, when she was temporarily dead and thought he could have a chance with her if she stayed there, while Bramblestar was still alive and they were seperated by death. So, her choosing to go back for Bramblestar's sake and the rest of ThunderClan could have been a reason for Ashfur to once again become obsessed with having her as his mate. Or that whole scene was indeed a hint at what the plot of TBC was going to be about, which is how I see it.
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