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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 21:03:06 GMT -5
Similar to my AVOS post, but a little but different. I often see people praising TBC, but I am curious to know the faults people see in it as well.
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Post by downfalls on Jul 11, 2021 21:20:15 GMT -5
ashfur just existing; he's annoying and acts like an incel. squirrelflight getting treated horribly even when bramblestar isn't possessed mothwing practically acting terrible towards shadowsight
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Post by cygna on Jul 11, 2021 21:23:28 GMT -5
I dislike TBC because the Ashfur twist was super expected. Predictably isnโt always bad but him being the imposter was infuriating. Also since when is Ashfur smart? He was literally goingโs to reveal the threeโs secret which was beyond stupid. Squirrelflight being an MC again is annoying too. This arc actually feels like SquirrelBramble propaganda.
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Post by Rainsplash on Jul 11, 2021 22:30:55 GMT -5
I haven't read TBC but when I found out Ashfur's the impostor? No I hate you Erins Ashfur had no reason to be a villain. In SqH he looks totally fine. His eyes aren't burning with hatred or whatev, Hollyleaf and he have gotten over it apparently. I'll be surprised and fall off my chair if the Erins come up with a brilliant reason how Ashfur got to possess Bramblestar and do a lot of superpower-ish things.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Jul 12, 2021 3:01:25 GMT -5
I dislike TBC because the character work is bad. It's far too plot-driven to be of any interest.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 3:02:26 GMT -5
I dislike TBC because the character work is bad. It's far too plot-driven to be of any interest. I could not agree with this more.
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Post by Dark Sun on Jul 12, 2021 3:10:08 GMT -5
I haven't read TBC but when I found out Ashfur's the impostor? No I hate you Erins Ashfur had no reason to be a villain. In SqH he looks totally fine. His eyes aren't burning with hatred or whatev, Hollyleaf and he have gotten over it apparently. I'll be surprised and fall off my chair if the Erins come up with a brilliant reason how Ashfur got to possess Bramblestar and do a lot of superpower-ish things. Agreed. At the end of the day Ashfur is just a butthurt incel and that's it. Did he deserve any kind of position of power or influence? Does he "deserve" (realistically) to be taken seriously? Not in the slightest. The imposter should have been some other cat, and Ashfur should have been what Grima was to Saruman, if you get the reference.
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Post by kitters on Jul 12, 2021 3:32:29 GMT -5
Ashfur. The possession plotline in general. The way they're building up bramble and squirrel as this great love story right after that trainwreck that was SQH. The fact that (TBC #6 SPOILER) mistystar doesn't die this arc. willowshine dying. The leaders are dumb as hell. Squirrelflight desperately wanting kits and to be leader and that she's probably not getting either of those. It's just like depressing I feel like you don't even have to like squirrelflight to be like "yo.. why isn't she allowed to be happy"
There's prob a lot more idk I only read up until #3 I think
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Post by ๐ฅFirestar๐ฅ on Jul 12, 2021 4:08:19 GMT -5
As much as i love TBC, BrambleSquirrel getting protagonism again is just annoying.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 4:16:54 GMT -5
As much as i love TBC, BrambleSquirrel getting protagonism again is just annoying. Right? It seems like the focus has hardly shifted from them since TBC.
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Post by ๐ฅFirestar๐ฅ on Jul 12, 2021 4:18:39 GMT -5
As much as i love TBC, BrambleSquirrel getting protagonism again is just annoying. Right? It seems like the focus has hardly shifted from them since TBC. Exactly. And, again, as much as i love TBC, i feel like the impostor could have been someone else.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 4:22:43 GMT -5
Right? It seems like the focus has hardly shifted from them since TBC. Exactly. And, again, as much as i love TBC, i feel like the impostor could have been someone else. Same! I can think of at least 5 cats I would rather it be, and who would have made sense with the whole purpose of the code and stuff.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Jul 12, 2021 5:06:09 GMT -5
Personally, TBC is one of my favorite arcs. I can see its flaws (old characters getting attention, being more plot-driven than character-driven) but I think the atmosphere is very different, with more of a horror tint to it with ghosts and possessions and having to travel to the cat version of hades to save Clan cats. It's very good at suspension and imo keeps you hooked. I like the characters Bristlefrost, Rootspring, Shadowsight, as well as some more minor characters like Spotfur, Lightleap, and Tree.
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ Just my opinion, I can see why others might not like it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 5:24:08 GMT -5
Personally, TBC is one of my favorite arcs. I can see its flaws (old characters getting attention, being more plot-driven than character-driven) but I think the atmosphere is very different, with more of a horror tint to it with ghosts and possessions and having to travel to the cat version of hades to save Clan cats. It's very good at suspension and imo keeps you hooked. I like the characters Bristlefrost, Rootspring, Shadowsight, as well as some more minor characters like Spotfur, Lightleap, and Tree. ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ Just my opinion, I can see why others might not like it. I already know what people believe to be the good sides of TBC, because I see it everywhere, which is why I made this post.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Jul 12, 2021 6:06:38 GMT -5
Personally, TBC is one of my favorite arcs. I can see its flaws (old characters getting attention, being more plot-driven than character-driven) but I think the atmosphere is very different, with more of a horror tint to it with ghosts and possessions and having to travel to the cat version of hades to save Clan cats. It's very good at suspension and imo keeps you hooked. I like the characters Bristlefrost, Rootspring, Shadowsight, as well as some more minor characters like Spotfur, Lightleap, and Tree. ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ Just my opinion, I can see why others might not like it. I already know what people believe to be the good sides of TBC, because I see it everywhere, which is why I made this post. Ah, I see, sorry I misunderstood. In that case, I would say my least favorite thing about TBC is the concentration of old characters. I don't think it'll be too far-fetched to say Squirrelflight is almost about as main and important as Bristlefrost, even though we've had tons of books on Squirrelflight before and Bristlefrost is still a new, unexplored character.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 12:29:06 GMT -5
I already know what people believe to be the good sides of TBC, because I see it everywhere, which is why I made this post. Ah, I see, sorry I misunderstood. In that case, I would say my least favorite thing about TBC is the concentration of old characters. I don't think it'll be too far-fetched to say Squirrelflight is almost about as main and important as Bristlefrost, even though we've had tons of books on Squirrelflight before and Bristlefrost is still a new, unexplored character. I agree!! I think Squirrelflight is actually more important to this arc, honestly, you could probably fully replace Bristlefrost with Squirrelflight, and this arc wouldn't really change much. I don't have an issue with Bristlefrost, I just don't feel like she's affected the plot any at all on her own.
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Jul 12, 2021 16:57:12 GMT -5
I dislike TBC because the character work is bad. It's far too plot-driven to be of any interest.ย Totally agreed. This is the main reason why I dislike it too. I found Darkness Within to be incredibly boring repetitive filler for the most part, and TPoNS was just so uninteresting to me that I still havenโt finished it, and I started it the day it released.
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Post by Goldy from Dappleclan on Jul 12, 2021 18:50:11 GMT -5
Agreed with everyone here
Also, TBC just seems very skipable
Like, you can't skip the previous arc because Skyclan returns
But this one? Meh. I'll be telling new readers to skip TBC and go straight to the next arc, since I imagine the first book will be explaining what happened previously anyway
It's going to be a series that'll be fine for new readers after all
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Post by Featherstar on Jul 12, 2021 19:01:01 GMT -5
The thing I don't like about TBC is that they had many gatherings where nothing came out of it as to how to deal with the Impostor. That happened from The Silent Thaw to Darkness Within.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 19:56:20 GMT -5
I need to know where Ashfur got his OP god powers from but I know they ain't gonna explain a thing and they pull stuff out of their asses every arc when it comes to StarClan and the DF
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 19:58:27 GMT -5
I need to know where Ashfur got his OP god powers from but I know they ain't gonna explain a thing and they pull stuff out of their asses every arc when it comes to StarClan and the DF You're probably right, or they will just say Rock gave them to him or something.
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Post by ๐ฑ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on Jul 17, 2021 5:54:25 GMT -5
The only reason why TBC even exists is because a former editor/author (Vicky Holmes) thought Ashfur still deserved going to StarClan after he tried to burn a few cats alive (and helped Hawkfrost with taking a life from Firestar) due to "loving too much". The whole arc wouldn't have been created if the writing team had just put Ashfur into the Dark Forest back in PoT/OotS and let him get killed off permanently in The Great Battle (TLH).
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Post by nowarriornameshere on Jul 17, 2021 21:12:31 GMT -5
For my part, it's just... the greatest threat to the Clans is really just an incel with satanic powers? Really? I like almost everything else about TBC, but come on. The only reason why TBC even exists is because a former editor/author (Vicky Holmes) thought Ashfur still deserved going to StarClan after he tried to burn a few cats alive (and helped Hawkfrost with taking a life from Firestar) due to "loving too much". The whole arc wouldn't have been created if the writing team had just put Ashfur into the Dark Forest back in PoT/OotS and let him get killed off permanently in The Great Battle (TLH). Wait, you mean this entire arc was born from butthurt from the remaining Erins that Vicky granted Ashfur Starclan status? This is hilarious if true.
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Post by Aqua on Jul 17, 2021 22:26:52 GMT -5
I dislike TBC because a lot of the characters feel inconsistent. They've ruined some of my favorites like Dovewing, Squirrelflight, and Bristlefrost. Not that this isn't anything new of course, but it was frustrating to see some of the good/decent characters go downhill for the sake of another story. And we did NOT need another story revolving around Squirrelflight. The issue between her and Ashfur could've easily been solved in SqH. Also I don't like what they're doing to Ashfur in this arc? Since when did he become a child groomer? Why does he care about hurting the Clans so much? All of this, just to spite Squirrelflight? Seriously?
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Post by Hollyfall on Jul 17, 2021 23:05:03 GMT -5
For my part, it's just... the greatest threat to the Clans is really just an incel with satanic powers? Really? I like almost everything else about TBC, but come on. The only reason why TBC even exists is because a former editor/author (Vicky Holmes) thought Ashfur still deserved going to StarClan after he tried to burn a few cats alive (and helped Hawkfrost with taking a life from Firestar) due to "loving too much". The whole arc wouldn't have been created if the writing team had just put Ashfur into the Dark Forest back in PoT/OotS and let him get killed off permanently in The Great Battle (TLH). Wait, you mean this entire arc was born from butthurt from the remaining Erins that Vicky granted Ashfur Starclan status? This is hilarious if true. I don't think anything official has been said by the editors, but it's rather obvious as Ashfur getting into StarClan and facing zero repercussions for all that he had done has been probably one of the most vocal outrages in the fandom back in arc 4 when we found out Vicky put him there out of pity. I think it's their way of listening to the fandom while also giving Ashfur what he always deserved in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 0:16:46 GMT -5
I dislike TBC because a lot of the characters feel inconsistent. They've ruined some of my favorites like Dovewing, Squirrelflight, and Bristlefrost. Not that this isn't anything new of course, but it was frustrating to see some of the good/decent characters go downhill for the sake of another story. And we did NOT need another story revolving around Squirrelflight. The issue between her and Ashfur could've easily been solved in SqH. Also I don't like what they're doing to Ashfur in this arc? Since when did he become a child groomer? Why does he care about hurting the Clans so much? All of this, just to spite Squirrelflight? Seriously? WAIT Since when did he become what? I didn't read TPONS, so I'm a little bit behind. I could not agree more with pretty much everything in this post, I even made a thread about Berrynose regarding what on earth happened to him in this arc.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Jul 18, 2021 0:42:14 GMT -5
Also I don't like what they're doing to Ashfur in this arc? Since when did he become a child groomer? Why does he care about hurting the Clans so much? All of this, just to spite Squirrelflight? Seriously? WAIT Since when did he become what? I didn't read TPONS, so I'm a little bit behind. Yeah, I second that. Could someone who's read the books get an explanation in here?
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Post by nowarriornameshere on Jul 18, 2021 1:52:48 GMT -5
WAIT Since when did he become what? I didn't read TPONS, so I'm a little bit behind. Yeah, I second that. Could someone who's read the books get an explanation in here? Yeaaaaaah, gonna have to third that shit. I literally went through the entire arc for a second time last week and I don't get what the hell was meant by this.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jul 18, 2021 3:37:44 GMT -5
@juniperclaw Skypaw13 nowarriornameshere In DW, Mothwing directly stated that Ashfur was grooming Shadowsight, and how it's possible he could've been the entire time. She is right about this.Aqua (And Mothwing) obviously meant the word in its standard manipulative definition, as Ashfur technically DID reduce Shadowsight's inhibitions' and used Shadowsight's naiveness against him to get him to trust him and used that trust to get him to do what he wanted under the guise of being a trustworthy Starclan cat. And Ashfur is an adult cat manipulating a young adult one to trust him and do his bidding by using that trust. Yes, that is grooming, the word is used in the sexual definition but it doesn't HAVE to be sexual which is a fact of the word that is unfortunately forgotten about. And regardless of how it's done it can affect the person who was manipulated greatly, which we DO see with Shadowsight in DW during his scenes with Ashfur in the book as well. I disagree with Shadowsight being a child during when it happened though, as his littermates were promoted to Warriors rather soon in his chapters. He was practically an adult age despite his apprentice status (Reiterating that status =///= age again), but adults can have their inhibitions lowered by anyone, even younger folks, they can be manipulated, and yes, that means they can be groomed. I'm hoping explaining this doesn't get me in trouble or something, I just feel like it needed to be explained since others were asking plz don't mods. ._.''''
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Post by finland on Jul 18, 2021 9:15:51 GMT -5
I dislike how OP Ashfur is. One cat is more powerful than StarClan and the Dark Forest.
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