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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 13, 2021 13:07:58 GMT -5
So. I’m planning a big AVOS rewrite of the last 4 books/ also making the Rowanstar SE we never got thanks to Tigerheart being an absolute author bias baby who ruins every character he touches, and I wanted to gather an opinion thread on how this could all go. Many things I have down 100 percent and will not change. Others, I’m on the fence about. I have ideas for either option and can write them, but I want to know what might be more likely/realistic.
So. The few questions are.
1. Should Skyclan stay at the lake or return to the Gorge by the end of AVOS?
2. Should Dawnpelt live or die?
3. Should Tigerheart and Dovewing stay in Twolegplace or still return with their kits? If they do, just know Tigerheart will not be getting his deputy position back.
4. Which name would be better for a RowanTawny second litter kit to respect Goldenflower, Goldenkit or Flowerkit?
I just wanna get some opinions before I start outlining, because I have ideas for any option, I just wanna see what’s more well received.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 13, 2021 13:28:25 GMT -5
I think SkyClan should stay at the lake, it makes the clans less boring now that they're here. Because prior there has been little to any real conflict between the clans due to how spaced out they are now, so the Erins relied way too much on bringing outside forces in as conflicts; Darktail, and the Sisters, etc. Dawnpelt should live, I think Dawnpelt was a great character in AVoS, especially because of how she tried to protect others and her apprentice. She deserved better. It would be nice to see her become deputy in the place of her mate after he passed away. If Dawnpelt lives, then have it so Tigerheart never comes back, or at least have him saying goodbye to his parents and leaving. He and Dovewing should stay with the guardian cats, and his role in the story to bring back his missing cats can easily be given to Tawny, Rowan or even Dawnpelt. Ehh....I'm not big on RowanTawny as a pairing, but if it's fleshed out better than it's fine. But if I had to pick names for their kits based off other cats then maybe: Goldenheart or Flowerstep?
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jun 13, 2021 13:30:27 GMT -5
I think SkyClan should stay at the lake as they were one of the original five Clans and would thus no longer have an entirely seperate storyline from them. While it was interesting for a little while to see their different lifestyle in the gorge I'm more for the dynamic they had together with the others.
Dawnpelt survives as she could one day become leader. I just wish her mate Crowfrost had survived too so that there was another litter besides Sleekwhisker, Juniperclaw and Strikestone because only the last kit turned out to be decent.
Tigerheart and Dovewing can stay far away from the Clans and be happy there instead of coming back. Shadowsight might still be summoned later if he is important to StarClan.
Goldenkit. There is a Flowerkit in modern ShadowClan already who later becomes Flowerstem.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 13, 2021 13:58:32 GMT -5
So, at least in this AU, Violetshine will one day be deputy/leader of Shadowclan, so Dawnpelt will either step down or pass away by TBC, but I can certainly see her being deputy in place of Tigerheart until Violetshine is old enough to take her place. I do like Dawnpelt being alive no matter what though, so ye.
RowanTawny is 100 percent going to remain together as a personal preference, I want to explore their trust and relationship even more because they very much so genuinely loved eachother. I want that kind of healthy love in my writing for sure.
So far, Skyclan staying at the lake is probably the best idea, so I’ll adjust it properly. Twigbranch is going to join Skyclan and stay there instead of Violetshine in this AU.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 13, 2021 14:02:02 GMT -5
Also! Strikestone will live in this AU as well and VioletStrike will be the relationship I do for the AU. Because I might do TwigTree instead, or Tree will be mateless, or he and the Sisters just won’t even be a thing because I just...yeah, don’t want to write them, not a fan of the Sisters or SQH in general lol
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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 13, 2021 14:07:20 GMT -5
I love Dawnpelt as a deputy, so I’ll do that for sure I’ll have her retire or step down, I think she deserves to live good and well, so maybe an injury or just her stepping down before TBC would be good. Bet. I’ll write that down.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jun 13, 2021 14:20:33 GMT -5
Also! Strikestone will live in this AU as well and VioletStrike will be the relationship I do for the AU. Because I might do TwigTree instead, or Tree will be mateless, or he and the Sisters just won’t even be a thing because I just...yeah, don’t want to write them, not a fan of the Sisters or SQH in general lol How about SrikeVioletTree? There are quite a few poly relationships that are even alluded to with a tom and two she cats like TurtleGraySlate, PoolToadNettle, FlossSmokyDaisy, SilverGrayMillie (probably), FeatherCrowLeaf (maybe). I'm still waiting for this reversed dynamic to actually happen in canon, but that's of course up to you and what you want in your story. I really adored FinTwig until he started his blackmail/manipulation tactics to pressure her into having kits, so a healthy fanon/AU version of them could somewhat redeem the mess they became instead. Then again, me writing it myself is another option to improve them and my storytelling skills.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 13, 2021 14:21:41 GMT -5
Also! Strikestone will live in this AU as well and VioletStrike will be the relationship I do for the AU. Because I might do TwigTree instead, or Tree will be mateless, or he and the Sisters just won’t even be a thing because I just...yeah, don’t want to write them, not a fan of the Sisters or SQH in general lol I think Tree is still a good character on his own, because he doesn't want to be associated with the Sisters, especially because of how they treated him. I think it's better to still have him, because he's unique, however it would be interesting to see his character interact with Needletail while she's still alive? I always did wonder what he would think of her then, imo the idea of him being the one to help her instead of Rain's death, felt better from a writing stand point.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 13, 2021 14:23:28 GMT -5
Also! Strikestone will live in this AU as well and VioletStrike will be the relationship I do for the AU. Because I might do TwigTree instead, or Tree will be mateless, or he and the Sisters just won’t even be a thing because I just...yeah, don’t want to write them, not a fan of the Sisters or SQH in general lol How about SrikeVioletTree? There are quite a few poly relationships that are even alluded to with a tom and two she cats like TurtleGraySlate, PoolToadNettle, FlossSmokyDaisy, SilverGrayMillie (probably), FeatherCrowLeaf (maybe). I'm still waiting for this reversed dynamic to actually happen in canon, but that's of course up to you and what you want in your story. Oh true, the only canon poly relationship that happened when all the cats were alive was Daisy/Smoky/Floss, but that on it's own wasn't very healthy. So it would be nice to see more healthy poly relationships, especially m/f/m ones. Maybe Tree does show up again later to check on Needletail, and he hits it off with Violet and Strike while staying in ShadowClan? I love Dawnpelt as a deputy, so I’ll do that for sure I’ll have her retire or step down, I think she deserves to live good and well, so maybe an injury or just her stepping down before TBC would be good. Bet. I’ll write that down. Would Cloverfoot become deputy after Violetshine becomes leader? It would be interesting to see them interact.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Jun 13, 2021 14:59:08 GMT -5
I think Tigerheart and Dovewing should come back to the Clans. I like the idea of exploring some relationships, like Rowanstar and Tigerheart's relationship after he ran away; Is it strained, or just fine?; Tawnypelt helping Dovewing settle, and Dovewing struggling in a new environment, and hell, maybe the TigerDove and the second litter of RowanTawny grow up together, wich would be pretty cool. They have caused a lot of drama but there are lots of things that could be explored whitout the Tigerheart worship that was in canon.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Jun 13, 2021 15:02:28 GMT -5
Also, Moon, you said in the last thread of your AVoS rewrite that you would eventually end up rewriting SQH, and the plot was going to be Squirrelflight and some other cats bringing SkyClan to the lake? I'm not sure, i can't remember it now, but if that's it, it would be better imo to bring them a lot later. The plot can stay focused on Darktail or Sleekwhisker.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 13, 2021 17:59:34 GMT -5
How about SrikeVioletTree? There are quite a few poly relationships that are even alluded to with a tom and two she cats like TurtleGraySlate, PoolToadNettle, FlossSmokyDaisy, SilverGrayMillie (probably), FeatherCrowLeaf (maybe). I'm still waiting for this reversed dynamic to actually happen in canon, but that's of course up to you and what you want in your story. Oh true, the only canon poly relationship that happened when all the cats were alive was Daisy/Smoky/Floss, but that on it's own wasn't very healthy. So it would be nice to see more healthy poly relationships, especially m/f/m ones. Maybe Tree does show up again later to check on Needletail, and he hits it off with Violet and Strike while staying in ShadowClan? I love Dawnpelt as a deputy, so I’ll do that for sure I’ll have her retire or step down, I think she deserves to live good and well, so maybe an injury or just her stepping down before TBC would be good. Bet. I’ll write that down. Would Cloverfoot become deputy after Violetshine becomes leader? It would be interesting to see them interact. Know a poly relationship that might work too? TreeNeedleRain. And yep! Cloverfoot will still be Violetshine’s deputy when that time comes!
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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 13, 2021 18:01:19 GMT -5
Also! Strikestone will live in this AU as well and VioletStrike will be the relationship I do for the AU. Because I might do TwigTree instead, or Tree will be mateless, or he and the Sisters just won’t even be a thing because I just...yeah, don’t want to write them, not a fan of the Sisters or SQH in general lol How about SrikeVioletTree? There are quite a few poly relationships that are even alluded to with a tom and two she cats like TurtleGraySlate, PoolToadNettle, FlossSmokyDaisy, SilverGrayMillie (probably), FeatherCrowLeaf (maybe). I'm still waiting for this reversed dynamic to actually happen in canon, but that's of course up to you and what you want in your story. I really adored FinTwig until he started his blackmail/manipulation tactics to pressure her into having kits, so a healthy fanon/AU version of them could somewhat redeem the mess they became instead. Then again, me writing it myself is another option to improve them and my storytelling skills. That could work! I’m polyamorous myself so I would be happy to write one, but I might do TreeNeedleRain instead with all 3 being loners/wandering together away from the clans after Darktail’s defeat. If not, I could try VioletStrikeTree, maybe it’ll help me to even somewhat have interest in Tree for once lmao.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 13, 2021 18:03:02 GMT -5
Also, Moon, you said in the last thread of your AVoS rewrite that you would eventually end up rewriting SQH, and the plot was going to be Squirrelflight and some other cats bringing SkyClan to the lake? I'm not sure, i can't remember it now, but if that's it, it would be better imo to bring them a lot later. The plot can stay focused on Darktail or Sleekwhisker. I might scrap this one, only because I don’t think I have the patience to even write Squirrelflight at this point. Unless I make a different conflict for them. I could always do another AU, but for now I’ll put it on the back burner.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 13, 2021 18:28:23 GMT -5
Oh true, the only canon poly relationship that happened when all the cats were alive was Daisy/Smoky/Floss, but that on it's own wasn't very healthy. So it would be nice to see more healthy poly relationships, especially m/f/m ones. Maybe Tree does show up again later to check on Needletail, and he hits it off with Violet and Strike while staying in ShadowClan? Would Cloverfoot become deputy after Violetshine becomes leader? It would be interesting to see them interact. Know a poly relationship that might work too? TreeNeedleRain. And yep! Cloverfoot will still be Violetshine’s deputy when that time comes! Ooo both TreeNeedleRain and TreeVioletStrike sound like really good options tbh.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 13, 2021 18:32:49 GMT -5
Know a poly relationship that might work too? TreeNeedleRain. And yep! Cloverfoot will still be Violetshine’s deputy when that time comes! Ooo both TreeNeedleRain and TreeVioletStrike sound like really good options tbh. Know what else I decided I’m gonna do? Have Rowanstar, Scorchfur and Violetshine search for the missing Warriors and bring them home to Shadowclan. Because I’m gonna need some mutual understanding and communication between these two and half the missing cats were Scorchfur’s kids anyway lol. Dawnpelt and Tawnypelt are going to watch over Shadowclan while they go. Puddleshine will have a dream or something and since Rowan mentors Violetshine himself in this AU, he wants her to come as well.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 13, 2021 18:41:23 GMT -5
Ooo both TreeNeedleRain and TreeVioletStrike sound like really good options tbh. Know what else I decided I’m gonna do? Have Rowanstar, Scorchfur and Violetshine search for the missing Warriors and bring them home to Shadowclan. Because I’m gonna need some mutual understanding and communication between these two and half the missing cats were Scorchfur’s kids anyway lol. Dawnpelt and Tawnypelt are going to watch over Shadowclan while they go. Puddleshine will have a dream or something and since Rowan mentors Violetshine himself in this AU, he wants her to come as well. Of for sure, I honestly really did just want Rowan and Scorch to come to an understanding because I could see both sides of their issues. I especially felt bad for Scorch because he lost so many of his kits over AVoS thanks to Darktail, so I can understand his frustrations. I also wanted to see his fear of retaliation be addressed in the books again, but they never went back to that, which was a bummer imo. Because it was an interesting look on the divide between Rowan and Tawny's family, and the rest of ShadowClan. If these two could work out their differences, I can very much see it ending up like a Dust/Long and Fire relationship.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 13, 2021 18:46:30 GMT -5
Know what else I decided I’m gonna do? Have Rowanstar, Scorchfur and Violetshine search for the missing Warriors and bring them home to Shadowclan. Because I’m gonna need some mutual understanding and communication between these two and half the missing cats were Scorchfur’s kids anyway lol. Dawnpelt and Tawnypelt are going to watch over Shadowclan while they go. Puddleshine will have a dream or something and since Rowan mentors Violetshine himself in this AU, he wants her to come as well. Of for sure, I honestly really did just want Rowan and Scorch to come to an understanding because I could see both sides of their issues. I especially felt bad for Scorch because he lost so many of his kits over AVoS thanks to Darktail, so I can understand his frustrations. I also wanted to see his fear of retaliation be addressed in the books again, but they never went back to that, which was a bummer imo. Because it was an interesting look on the divide between Rowan and Tawny's family, and the rest of ShadowClan. If these two could work out their differences, I can very much see it ending up like a Dust/Long and Fire relationship. That’s what I was thinking, because as much as I dislike Scorchfur, I know he is a very dutiful father, and if there’s one thing these two have in common, it’s that they loved their kits deeply and were very dutiful fathers. I can also see Violetshine being a voice of reason between them too, and I like the concept that Scorchfur would be fearful of retaliation for his actions but Rowanstar was never the kind to give out the kind of retaliation that I think Scorchfur expects after a leadership like Darktail’s. I want them to definitely have that Fire/Dust relationship and rescue journeys are a good way to do it lol.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 13, 2021 18:57:53 GMT -5
Wow, now I’m excited to write Violetshine on a journey with her two distant snappy probably bisexual psuedo-uncle clanmates who would actually get along well if they just sat down and talked to find the missing pregnant ladies and like that one other Warrior nobody talks about.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 13, 2021 19:24:59 GMT -5
Wow, now I’m excited to write Violetshine on a journey with her two distant snappy probably bisexual psuedo-uncle clanmates who would actually get along well if they just sat down and talked to find the missing pregnant ladies and like that one other Warrior nobody talks about. snappy bisexual pseduo uncles snalfsalknfa God I love that. Also dear god can you ice Sleekwhisker?? The fact that she got away with everything she did and lived bugs me so much.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 13, 2021 19:59:19 GMT -5
Wow, now I’m excited to write Violetshine on a journey with her two distant snappy probably bisexual psuedo-uncle clanmates who would actually get along well if they just sat down and talked to find the missing pregnant ladies and like that one other Warrior nobody talks about. snappy bisexual pseduo uncles snalfsalknfa God I love that. Also dear god can you ice Sleekwhisker?? The fact that she got away with everything she did and lived bugs me so much. Oh bby you say that like I haven’t already planned out her death scene like it’s Christmas Morning. You say that like I haven’t rubbed my hands like a little fly by making her actually do more for the plot and then giving her a deliciously deserved death for the crap she pulled, Sleekwhisker’s gonna get iced like a sweet tea on Sunday.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 13, 2021 22:38:26 GMT -5
Oh my god Violetshine’s crudely drawn “Get Along” shirt she puts Rowanstar and Scorchfur in.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 13, 2021 23:58:36 GMT -5
snappy bisexual pseduo uncles snalfsalknfa God I love that. Also dear god can you ice Sleekwhisker?? The fact that she got away with everything she did and lived bugs me so much. Oh bby you say that like I haven’t already planned out her death scene like it’s Christmas Morning. You say that like I haven’t rubbed my hands like a little fly by making her actually do more for the plot and then giving her a deliciously deserved death for the crap she pulled, Sleekwhisker’s gonna get iced like a sweet tea on Sunday. Like thank god, I couldn't stand her after she was sucking up to Darktail, and helping kill her mom and bestie, just nasty. Throw the whole damn cat away at that point.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 13, 2021 23:59:08 GMT -5
Oh my god Violetshine’s crudely drawn “Get Along” shirt she puts Rowanstar and Scorchfur in. Don't tempt me, I'll draw this buwhaha!
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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 14, 2021 6:11:49 GMT -5
Oh my god Violetshine’s crudely drawn “Get Along” shirt she puts Rowanstar and Scorchfur in. Don't tempt me, I'll draw this buwhaha! NOT IF I DRAW IT FIRST. Sike, I’d cry if you drew this, gimmie that good good AU content lol
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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 14, 2021 6:15:01 GMT -5
Oh bby you say that like I haven’t already planned out her death scene like it’s Christmas Morning. You say that like I haven’t rubbed my hands like a little fly by making her actually do more for the plot and then giving her a deliciously deserved death for the crap she pulled, Sleekwhisker’s gonna get iced like a sweet tea on Sunday. Like thank god, I couldn't stand her after she was sucking up to Darktail, and helping kill her mom and bestie, just nasty. Throw the whole damn cat away at that point. If that isn’t the largest mood in history, the second it was implied that she helped to drown her own mother, I was like “So please tell me she gets a horrific death as vengeance for her killing one of the only good Shadowclan cats left...No? She gets to live and then go on to murder her grandfather while he’s protecting the kits she kidnapped? Disgusting, I’m doing it myself.” Needless to say, I think I might give Strikestone some character and maybe even have him have to kill his sister. Either way, she’s dying one way or another.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 14, 2021 6:59:46 GMT -5
Also ❅Maplefrost❅ I think I may have Rowanstar, Scorchfur and Violetshine end up basically finding Tigerstar and Dovewing in that Twolegplace just to give that closure of “I left to take care of my mate and kits, I couldn’t tell you, but I have to stay” and Rowanstar finally accepting that. That way Shadowclan can still get the missing Warriors and bring back some of the Twolegplace cats while TigerDove stays in the Twolegplace to raise their kits. Maybe Shadowsight returns to the clans during TBC when he’s given a dream by Starclan? Or heck, we could even replace Shadowsight with a different cat too. I don’t know, but a plot point of this SE would be them finding Tigerheart but him not returning with them, but some of the twolegplace cats do come to join Shadowclan after Tigerheart and Dovewing tell them about clan life.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 14, 2021 8:27:33 GMT -5
You mentioned a second litter, where in the timeline would this fall? (Sorry if I'm butting in, but I guess I'm late to the party and I was just wondering) Oh no problem! This would actually occur around the time that Tigerheart’s Shadow ends in canon, though in this AU he stays with Dovewing in the city. So once Rowanstar, Scorchfur and Violetshine return, Tawnypelt will then come to expect kits after that. So around the timeframe of The Darkest Night. These kits will be close in age to Root, Shadow and Bristle in canon age. And I’ve decided on Goldenkit and Talonkit for the names!
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 14, 2021 9:30:11 GMT -5
Also ❅Maplefrost❅ I think I may have Rowanstar, Scorchfur and Violetshine end up basically finding Tigerstar and Dovewing in that Twolegplace just to give that closure of “I left to take care of my mate and kits, I couldn’t tell you, but I have to stay” and Rowanstar finally accepting that. That way Shadowclan can still get the missing Warriors and bring back some of the Twolegplace cats while TigerDove stays in the Twolegplace to raise their kits. Maybe Shadowsight returns to the clans during TBC when he’s given a dream by Starclan? Or heck, we could even replace Shadowsight with a different cat too. I don’t know, but a plot point of this SE would be them finding Tigerheart but him not returning with them, but some of the twolegplace cats do come to join Shadowclan after Tigerheart and Dovewing tell them about clan life. That actually would be very sweet and give really good closure for Rowan and his family tbh. I like the idea of them going on this journey, gives their characters a good chance of bonding, and has purpose for the plot. It's a great idea. As for Shadowsight, I personally think it would better just to have him be a normal kit, and stay with his family, away from the clans. I'm sure there's much more interesting cats that could replace him without the crutch of super powers.
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