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Post by Aqua on May 1, 2021 21:42:41 GMT -5
Are there characters you'll never feel sorry for? It's probably Breezepelt for me. I know he's been manipulated, and I know Crowfeather was an asshole to him, but once he began to try to kill Poppyfrost and Jayfeather, he lost my sympathy. Redemption or not, Breezepelt really should've been punished. I don't care if he had a bad past. A bad past doesn't excuse someone's actions, period. Breezepelt deserved to be exiled.
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 1, 2021 21:44:29 GMT -5
Breezepelt is definitely a big one for me. My sympathy for him pretty much ends with TFA. Also, Ashfur. Most of the antagonists, really, if not all of them.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on May 1, 2021 21:47:22 GMT -5
*screams from the rooftops* clear sky and star flower
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Post by Mothdapple on May 1, 2021 23:01:39 GMT -5
Ashfur, Breezepelt, Clear Sky, literally every villain (with the exception Mapleshade prior to her murder spree although I do not feel sorry for her in general)
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Post by Skypaw13 on May 1, 2021 23:25:00 GMT -5
*holds up shield and braces for impact*
Shadowsight.
EDIT: Lol, was going off the thread title. It's not that I'll never feel sorry for him, or that I never did, I just don't right now. It's not even really a him thing, it's more of a "the authors suck at making me sympathize for characters these days" thing.
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Post by Aqua on May 1, 2021 23:44:05 GMT -5
*holds up shield and braces for impact* Shadowsight. EDIT: Lol, was going off the thread title. It's not that I'll never feel sorry for him, or that I never did, I just don't right now. It's not even really a him thing, it's more of a "the authors suck at making me sympathize for characters these days" thing. lol I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't like Shadowsight, he annoyed me and I didn't like what the writers are doing to him. in fact he's the reason I stopped reading TBC. Shadowsight got on my nerves after a while. I don't get the big deal about him. It really bothered me how the Erins were writing him.
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Post by Rainsplash on May 1, 2021 23:46:54 GMT -5
BREEEEEEEZEPELT
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on May 1, 2021 23:59:58 GMT -5
Bramblestar, Mapleshade, Needletail, Nightcloud, Bumblestripe, Blossomfall, Ashfur, Breezepelt, Moonflower, and that's all the cats i can think of the top of my head.
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Post by Skypaw13 on May 2, 2021 0:02:24 GMT -5
*holds up shield and braces for impact* Shadowsight. EDIT: Lol, was going off the thread title. It's not that I'll never feel sorry for him, or that I never did, I just don't right now. It's not even really a him thing, it's more of a "the authors suck at making me sympathize for characters these days" thing. lol I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't like Shadowsight, he annoyed me and I didn't like what the writers are doing to him. in fact he's the reason I stopped reading TBC. Shadowsight got on my nerves after a while. I don't get the big deal about him. It really bothered me how the Erins were writing him. I mean, I actually do like Shadowsight, at least in the sense that I don't hate him, lol. I just don't understand all the pity the fans lay on him. Like jeez, reading some of these spoiler tags give you the impression that he's a helpless kit who's been abandoned by all who love him, when in actuality he's entirely responsible for his own actions. You made a bad decision, bro. You get to deal with the consequences now, and I'm not going to feel sorry for you because of it, no matter how hard the author and fans try to make me. Agreed that he's gotten more and more annoying as the series has gone on though. I haven't even read past VoS, because I genuinely couldn't stand the protagonists. Bristle and Shadow are fine as people (cats), but they suck as characters. Root is actually a good character but I personally found him incredibly annoying.
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Post by Snowfire on May 2, 2021 0:25:42 GMT -5
Tigerstar the First
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Post by Aqua on May 2, 2021 0:27:57 GMT -5
lol I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't like Shadowsight, he annoyed me and I didn't like what the writers are doing to him. in fact he's the reason I stopped reading TBC. Shadowsight got on my nerves after a while. I don't get the big deal about him. It really bothered me how the Erins were writing him. I mean, I actually do like Shadowsight, at least in the sense that I don't hate him, lol. I just don't understand all the pity the fans lay on him. Like jeez, reading some of these spoiler tags give you the impression that he's a helpless kit who's been abandoned by all who love him, when in actuality he's entirely responsible for his own actions. You made a bad decision, bro. You get to deal with the consequences now, and I'm not going to feel sorry for you because of it, no matter how hard the author and fans try to make me. Agreed that he's gotten more and more annoying as the series has gone on though. I haven't even read past VoS, because I genuinely couldn't stand the protagonists. Bristle and Shadow are fine as people (cats), but they suck as characters. Root is actually a good character but I personally found him incredibly annoying. that's what annoyed me with him the most. I was totally on Mothwing's side, and when the fans said she's being "stuck-up", I'm like, HOW??? she literally told him she sympathized with him and didn't blame him for anything, Shadowsight was the one who acted like his entire freaking clan was against him!!! not one cat in his clan blamed him for what he did, BUT HE *DID* PUT THE CLANS IN DANGER, fault or not, it happened, and many lives were lost because of it. It's just an unfortunate event that happened with Shadowsight, but I felt the clans had every right to put him on trial for it. He messed up, he needs to stop acting like the victim, and from what I'm hearing, he's owning up to it, and that's good.
the way how he's surviving all of these deaths also bothers me, it's like Briarlight 2.0. Shadowsight was actually one of my favorite characters but the Erins are really doing weird things to him by keeping him alive for the sake of the plot and making him act like the victim when no one's really being mean to him???? idk he just pisses me off and I put the book down the moment Ashfur said he was "special" and Shadowsight actually believed him after saying he hated him just a sentence ago. i stopped reading the series since lol. he's just.... so weird.
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 2, 2021 0:50:55 GMT -5
I mean, I actually do like Shadowsight, at least in the sense that I don't hate him, lol. I just don't understand all the pity the fans lay on him. Like jeez, reading some of these spoiler tags give you the impression that he's a helpless kit who's been abandoned by all who love him, when in actuality he's entirely responsible for his own actions. You made a bad decision, bro. You get to deal with the consequences now, and I'm not going to feel sorry for you because of it, no matter how hard the author and fans try to make me. Agreed that he's gotten more and more annoying as the series has gone on though. I haven't even read past VoS, because I genuinely couldn't stand the protagonists. Bristle and Shadow are fine as people (cats), but they suck as characters. Root is actually a good character but I personally found him incredibly annoying. that's what annoyed me with him the most. I was totally on Mothwing's side, and when the fans said she's being "stuck-up", I'm like, HOW??? she literally told him she sympathized with him and didn't blame him for anything, Shadowsight was the one who acted like his entire freaking clan was against him!!! not one cat in his clan blamed him for what he did, BUT HE *DID* PUT THE CLANS IN DANGER, fault or not, it happened, and many lives were lost because of it. It's just an unfortunate event that happened with Shadowsight, but I felt the clans had every right to put him on trial for it. He messed up, he needs to stop acting like the victim, and from what I'm hearing, he's owning up to it, and that's good.
the way how he's surviving all of these deaths also bothers me, it's like Briarlight 2.0. Shadowsight was actually one of my favorite characters but the Erins are really doing weird things to him by keeping him alive for the sake of the plot and making him act like the victim when no one's really being mean to him???? idk he just pisses me off and I put the book down the moment Ashfur said he was "special" and Shadowsight actually believed him after saying he hated him just a sentence ago. i stopped reading the series since lol. he's just.... so weird. I'm pretty sure when people feel sorry for Shadowsight and his near-death experiences, it's mostly because the Erins keep putting him in those situations. Whenever I see a discussion on this, it's usually something along the lines of "Erins, give him a break!" And I'm pretty sure most people—yes, even Shadowsight fans—still find it pretty ridiculous that he managed to survive Ashfur's attack on him at all. Speaking of which, I remember Ashfur praising him, and maybe I just need to re-read DW so someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember Shadowsight ever actually believing it, or at least not for more than a few seconds. He was already feeling terrible when even his own Clanmates no longer trusted him, but he still knew perfectly well what Ashfur was capable of and only wanted to keep him alive for Bramblestar's sake.
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Post by Fire the Watcher of the vale on May 2, 2021 2:00:17 GMT -5
Dovewing. The way I've always looked at the books, even though they're written in the 3rd person, they tend to be biased towards the protagonist at the time. As random as that may seem, it ties into my reasoning pretty well. Dovewing constantly has all these relationship problems involving tiger(heart? idk im tired) and is blind to Bumblestripe. She leads him on the entire time and holds him to these unrealistic comparisons to Tiger just because she's looking for an excuse to stick with Tiger. The books tried to frame it like it was some sort of big moral dilemma, but it really wasn't. She needed to get herself under control and be straight with Bumblestripe from the get go. If that meant telling him she wasn't interested, so be it, but cut the poor guy a break.
(probably an unpopular opinion but idc lol)
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on May 2, 2021 2:19:24 GMT -5
Dovewing. The way I've always looked at the books, even though they're written in the 3rd person, they tend to be biased towards the protagonist at the time. As random as that may seem, it ties into my reasoning pretty well. Dovewing constantly has all these relationship problems involving tiger(heart? idk im tired) and is blind to Bumblestripe. She leads him on the entire time and holds him to these unrealistic comparisons to Tiger just because she's looking for an excuse to stick with Tiger. The books tried to frame it like it was some sort of big moral dilemma, but it really wasn't. She needed to get herself under control and be straight with Bumblestripe from the get go. If that meant telling him she wasn't interested, so be it, but cut the poor guy a break. (probably an unpopular opinion but idc lol) don't worry, i agree. dovewing was always very selfish and petty in my mind in OotS. i don't remember if i ever sided with her or felt bad for her back when i was reading OotS.
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Post by Fire the Watcher of the vale on May 2, 2021 2:30:31 GMT -5
Dovewing. The way I've always looked at the books, even though they're written in the 3rd person, they tend to be biased towards the protagonist at the time. As random as that may seem, it ties into my reasoning pretty well. Dovewing constantly has all these relationship problems involving tiger(heart? idk im tired) and is blind to Bumblestripe. She leads him on the entire time and holds him to these unrealistic comparisons to Tiger just because she's looking for an excuse to stick with Tiger. The books tried to frame it like it was some sort of big moral dilemma, but it really wasn't. She needed to get herself under control and be straight with Bumblestripe from the get go. If that meant telling him she wasn't interested, so be it, but cut the poor guy a break. (probably an unpopular opinion but idc lol) don't worry, i agree. dovewing was always very selfish and petty in my mind in OotS. i don't remember if i ever sided with her or felt bad for her back when i was reading OotS. Good to know I'm not alone lol. I know a lot of people dislike bumblestripe, but honestly, he isn't as bad of a guy as people make him out to be. At least he moved on and didn't have Ashfur levels of obsession.
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Post by Neekwanakwaki (Cloud) on May 2, 2021 3:22:37 GMT -5
TOM.
Yes, good for him that he dies defending Sparrow Fur from One Eye, but he's still an abusive POS. I was relieved when he died.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on May 2, 2021 7:05:29 GMT -5
Bumblestripe. I mean, I get it, it always hurts to get rejected by one you love, but he wouldn't leave Dovewing alone.
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Post by Cheetahstar on May 2, 2021 7:29:28 GMT -5
Leopardstar and Blackstar
Any grief they had? No pity
None
I hate em
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Aroace
#ffa100
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𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑
Villain Enjoyer
Arcane Season 2 has got me in a chokehold once again (do not send help)
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on May 2, 2021 7:59:13 GMT -5
Darkstripe and Sleekwhisker *throws tomatoes at their pathetic beings* Other than that most of my least favorite characters, of which Sleekwhisker is a part of but not Darkstripe because his conclusion has actually got me interested, are also on this list:
*takes a deep breath*
Rainflower Lizardstripe Onestar Ashfur Sol Clear Sky Star Flower Tigerstar II Moonlight
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Post by crowspirit on May 2, 2021 8:19:23 GMT -5
Oh boy there are a lot
Skystar Star Flower Moonflower Raggedstar Ashfur Stoneteller Leopardstar Nightcloud Breezepelt Bramblestar Bumblestripe Blossomfall Moonlight Onestar Darkstripe Sleekwhisker
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Post by Aqua on May 2, 2021 9:33:34 GMT -5
Dovewing. The way I've always looked at the books, even though they're written in the 3rd person, they tend to be biased towards the protagonist at the time. As random as that may seem, it ties into my reasoning pretty well. Dovewing constantly has all these relationship problems involving tiger(heart? idk im tired) and is blind to Bumblestripe. She leads him on the entire time and holds him to these unrealistic comparisons to Tiger just because she's looking for an excuse to stick with Tiger. The books tried to frame it like it was some sort of big moral dilemma, but it really wasn't. She needed to get herself under control and be straight with Bumblestripe from the get go. If that meant telling him she wasn't interested, so be it, but cut the poor guy a break. (probably an unpopular opinion but idc lol) It's actually pretty common. A lot of people despise her. There's only a few fans that still like her somewhere out there, but they're not very common. I'm one of them lol.
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Post by vectoring34 on May 2, 2021 10:38:33 GMT -5
Needletail was a scoundrel and caused every single one of her problems. She did not deserve to die, obviously, but everything else about her doesn't really inspire pity.
I DO feel sorry for Shadowsight because of how atrocious his situation is, but at the same time I think that the fandom goes too far in demonizing Mothwing or Lionblaze for the way that they act towards him. I still do feel bad for him in the sense I feel bad for Victor Frankenstein, but likewise I also have to note that he made a lot of huge mistakes.
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Aroace
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Pineclaw
Abbey Champion
Pronouns: He/Him or They/Them
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Post by Pineclaw on May 2, 2021 10:51:24 GMT -5
Ashfur, Sleekwhisker, Clear Sky, Star Flower, Needletail, Mapleshade, Bumblestripe, Moonflower, Breezepelt, Tom, Rainflower, Leopardstar, Darkstripe, Onestar, Dovewing, Willow Tail and Raggedstar. Also all of Mapleshade's victims. No, they didn't deserve it but I also can't feel sorry for them.
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Post by Moonblazer on May 2, 2021 10:56:24 GMT -5
Needletail. Good riddance, what a garbage character. I feel 0 pity or sympathy for her.
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Post by fishbreeze on May 2, 2021 11:01:25 GMT -5
I feel bad for how Blossomfall felt like she wasn't important to her mother, but she was a bully towards Ivypool before Briarlight even got injured, so that makes my sympathy dwindle for her a little bit. Cats that people already mentioned are also on my list.
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Post by worldstar on May 2, 2021 11:20:24 GMT -5
MAPLESHADE. I think she was treated pretty badly in the novella, but she spiraled completely out of control and went on a killing spree when so much of her situation was her own fault.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 11:33:59 GMT -5
Breezepelt, Moonflower, Willow Tail, Stick, Spottedleaf, Blossomfall, Ashfur, Mudclaw
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Post by Card against Humanity on May 2, 2021 11:53:38 GMT -5
*screaming into the void* BREEZEPELT AND TOM
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 2, 2021 12:35:47 GMT -5
Rowanstar: Garbage leader that did nothing to stop issues in his own clan. If he wasn't willfully ignorant of growing problems among his cats I would have felt pity for him, but that wasn't the case.
Onestar: He and Rowan are in the same boat as far as I'm concerned, both are cowards and horrible leaders, but Onestar is just worse imo since he's been around longer. Did not care a single ounce when he died.
Sleekwhisker: What exactly is there for us to feel bad about for her? Yeah your leader was garbage, and your clan sucked, but you literally helped kill your own clanmates and several of your own kin, I??
Dovewing: Literally all her "woes me" moments were caused on her own. The bare minimum was being loyal to her clan, and she couldn't even do that. Then she, and Tigertwo, took the cowardly way out, and ran away from their problems. I don't think she's a good mate, mother, clanmate or sister.
Tigerstar: Likewise, he's a trash bag of a deputy, never deserved leadership, and I felt no sympathy for him once he went back into aggressive mode and was super disrespectful to SkyClan. Between him and Dove's behavior in TBC too, I just want them both out of the picture already.
Stoneteller: The one that kidnapped Stormfur, got Feathertail killed, treated his cats like crap and sent them out to die, then threatened to have them killed when they came back. Was horribly xenophobic to the clans, tossed Storm and Brook the first chance he got, and then would have rather let his tribe waste away and die instead of adapt and live. Screw this guy.
Crowfeather: I don't hate him anymore, but I have no pity for him. He neglected his own kit, and avoided his mate simply because it wasn't Leafpool/Feathertail and their kits. It's gross how he used her to get respect back in the clan, and then didn't even treat his son as a son.
Millie: She joined the clans, knew the risk, yet still gets hot with Jayfeather and Graystripe when Briarlight gets hurt. Disrespecting their beliefs, and doubting medicine cats. Then treats her daughters like crap, her ableist behavior made me gag, and the neglect of her kits was gross.
Clear Sky: He killed defenseless cats, queens, and out right abandoned his son. He's a horrible mate, father, and leader and an especially horrible brother. Between abandoning one brother to die, and then actively trying to kill the other, he honestly deserved more than just being chewed out by his mother. He even caused the death of one of the first meddies.
Star Flower: I feel no sympathy for a cat that used Thunder for information, backstabbed him, then stood by and let her father torture her (ironically) future mate, whom she later excuses all the faults of and regresses his development.
Goosefeather: Never liked him not pitied him since the start, and even after this novella I still don't care for him. I can't sympathize with the old coot that disabled a kit, then got his own sister killed, and caused senseless battles and deaths.
Bluestar: Her hypocrisy made me gag, her behavior in her SE was frustrating, and the way she used Thrushpelt, and treated Brightheart will always cement her as a horrible character imo.
Shadowsight: But honestly out of all the characters on this list, next to Crowfeather I tolerate him the most. Only because of the newest book, however, a lot of the mess he's gotten himself into right now is his own fault and his only saving grace as a character is that he's not as bad as his crappy parents.
Appledusk: Cheated on his both of his mates and didn't give a lick about his dead children's names Oakstar: Tried to use Mapleshade's kits as weapons then exiled them despite them being innocent. Ravenwing: Knowingly put kits in danger, and then doing nothing while his clan beat and exiled a mother. Frecklewish: Delusionally pushed her beliefs on others, beat a mother in front of her kits, and left them to drown. Reedshine: Had no sympathy for a grieving mother, and kissed up to her leader for her cheating mate, pathetic.
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Post by Mothdapple on May 2, 2021 14:56:26 GMT -5
MAPLESHADE. I think she was treated pretty badly in the novella, but she spiraled completely out of control and went on a killing spree when so much of her situation was her own fault. Agreed. I felt bad for her PRIOR to her killing spree. She was wronged by Oakstar mostly. But after, there’s no going back. Inexcusable. If there’s anyone I feel bad for, it’s her kits. They had zero control over their situation and also didn’t quite understand. Poor babies.
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