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Post by MadameDelune on Mar 15, 2021 23:42:51 GMT -5
There’s just so many books I can’t make myself care about the constant abundance of new characters anymore. Every cat I liked is dead, and it’s just draining to keep trying to invest myself in these tons of new characters being added that have the same personalities I’ve read before in another cat or have no personality at all
Does anyone else understand where I’m coming from? I still love warriors and I’ll make videos and art for it still but I don’t think I’ve got the energy to pretend I can keep up anymore
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Mar 16, 2021 1:07:53 GMT -5
i read every main series book until AVOS...and now it's happening again with TBC...i give the first 3 books in the arc a chance, and don't bother buying the rest if i dont like it...and since this is happening two arcs in a row, for me, this tells me that my standards for stories are surpassing what i'm getting from warriors...im fine just reading spoiler threads to see what's happening though because i've been a fan of this series/franchise since late elementary shcool/early middle school age.
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Post by kitters on Mar 16, 2021 7:12:55 GMT -5
Yeah and the thing is I actually liked the last warriors book I read, which was veil of shadows. But by the time darkness within came out I just didn't care at all to read it. It's just like too much lol and I don't think I want to read any of the next books besides Blackstar's novella. But also im afraid they're going to screw his character up completely..
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Post by Rainsplash on Mar 16, 2021 7:28:49 GMT -5
I feel like not reading anymore, but I love to be in the Warriors community and it's sorta hard to fit in if you don't read the recent stuff. The characters are messed up. They're all irritating brats who're so whiny and bratty. I hate them with my life. I'm pretty sure my respect for elder people and my understandingness grew while reading and screaming about these characters who are so rude and bratty they can't be nice and good-characterly like those in TPB to save their lives. They're all boring, too.
I have no idea who the heck half the Thunder/Shadow/SkyClan cats are, and I don't even care about RiverClan or WindClan anymore. I love my dears back in the first two arcs where I actually KNEW them and thought them as complex and lovable. Now? Oh, no, bratty, whiny ridiculous messes who're poor excuses for a character.
I hate how now, I can't bring myself to like anyone. I hate how the Erins handle the villains.
Ashfur is the impostor? Oh, my, I'd LOVE to read those Clan cats rambling about how Ashfur ATTACKED Hollyleaf unfairly, huh? Why on EARTH would Ashfur be the impostor? From what I've read, Ashfur is perfectly happy in peaceful in StarClan - please please please, I'm fine with Ashfur being in StarClan so don't mess people up-
Honestly, now I feel like I'm wasting money on buying these books. Since my libraries don't have the newer books, I'll have to buy the arcs, but the E-books? Novellas? I'm just...
The Warriors series is going downhill.
I'm just going to reread TPB and TNP. From POT, I cannot, absolutely cannot link with the main characters.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2021 8:50:05 GMT -5
Yea I get it, I just lurk in spoiler threads at this point. I initially stopped after OOTS then read DOTC, some of the SEs and novellas, and reread TPB. I skipped TNP and after The Sight I just kind of stopped lol. The series went downhill after the first arc, sure there are good moments but not enough to keep me motivated. There are just too many books to read and the majority are not well written, full of inconsistencies and errors. Fanon > Canon tbh
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Post by loveisalighthouse on Mar 16, 2021 9:33:22 GMT -5
I feel like not reading anymore, but I love to be in the Warriors community and it's sorta hard to fit in if you don't read the recent stuff. The characters are messed up. They're all irritating brats who're so whiny and bratty. I hate them with my life. I'm pretty sure my respect for elder people and my understandingness grew while reading and screaming about these characters who are so rude and bratty they can't be nice and good-characterly like those in TPB to save their lives. They're all boring, too. I have no idea who the heck half the Thunder/Shadow/SkyClan cats are, and I don't even care about RiverClan or WindClan anymore. I love my dears back in the first two arcs where I actually KNEW them and thought them as complex and lovable. Now? Oh, no, bratty, whiny ridiculous messes who're poor excuses for a character. I hate how now, I can't bring myself to like anyone. I hate how the Erins handle the villains. Ashfur is the impostor? Oh, my, I'd LOVE to read those Clan cats rambling about how Ashfur ATTACKED Hollyleaf unfairly, huh? Why on EARTH would Ashfur be the impostor? From what I've read, Ashfur is perfectly happy in peaceful in StarClan - please please please, I'm fine with Ashfur being in StarClan so don't mess people up- Honestly, now I feel like I'm wasting money on buying these books. Since my libraries don't have the newer books, I'll have to buy the arcs, but the E-books? Novellas? I'm just... The Warriors series is going downhill. I'm just going to reread TPB and TNP. From POT, I cannot, absolutely cannot link with the main characters. So... you complain that the main characters are whiny messes, and yet you want Ashfur to have a peaceful death in star clan. Do you not see the irony here?
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Post by loveisalighthouse on Mar 16, 2021 9:51:04 GMT -5
I haven't read the seventh arc, but I know that after reading the last hope(which was really disappoiting) and a couple really boring super editions like Bramblestar's storm, I was ready to give up on warriors...still, I decided to give dawn of the clans a chance. I mostly enjoyed it, at least after I got the past the awful first book, but I thought that it was an exception. I then kept hearing bad things about vision of shadows, so I waited until it was fully released and in e-book. So, I started reading them last year, and...
It was great. Sure, book 4-6 were kinda dumb filler, which is nothing new afterall since a new prophecy did the same thing, but the first half is, in my opinion, the best story in the entire warrior cats serie. Solid plot, excellent characters, fast paced(almost too fast paced at times, but I prefer that to a pace that's too slow), some surprising twists, there is really not that much that could have been better here. I learned afterwards that apparently Dawn of the clans and vision of shadows weren't written by the same people, and it shows. I'll definitely buy physical copies of the seventh arc once there is a compilation available.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 16, 2021 9:56:25 GMT -5
pretty sure the only reason the writing/characters no longer interest me is because im 22 and these books are written for middle schoolers primarily. i stopped reading after OOTS because my reading standards moved on.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Mar 16, 2021 9:58:25 GMT -5
I stopped reading at some point in Omen of the Stars. I got sick of the sibling/family drama, and hated that the last series ended in a cliffhanger when it just seemed like more padding. Especially since the idea of a chosen, powered, cat becoming evil (Hollyleaf) would have been interesting. But instead said character turned out not to be evil at all, and the whole idea of powers (including lack thereof) and how the character died (both the supposed death and the actual one) felt like a copout. I did try to read the books again in vision of shadows, but I stopped after shattered sky and haven’t gone back since.
I am planning to read the prequel series because I like the idea of seeing all new faces in a different era where things were untamed, so to speak. But after that I probably wouldn’t read any more. Thankfully for the other books outside of SS, I found a site that had them for free in PDF form. However, that site doesn’t exist any more for obvious reasons and was shut down by the time of the release of shattered sky. So shattered sky was the last book I actually bought. It seems like it’s going to remain that way for the foreseeable future, although I still look on spoiler threads and comment on the books. I am more or less staying with the series because I grew up with the characters and want them to have a happy and satisfactory ending. But at this point, it seems like there’s no end in sight and the series has overstayed its welcome.
As for my feelings on imposter Ashfur, I feel like his issues never truly got resolved, so I’m glad they’re getting resolved one way or another here. But at the same time I wouldn’t mind if the imposter was someone else (e.g Sol, Darktail, Scourge, or even Hollyleaf or Needletail gone rogue) and Ashfur was just left in Starclan. Since Ashfur’s problems are with older characters, and these characters are still alive, it shifts the focus back onto them when it could be used for someone else (aside from those that already have a viewpoint). So it’s like we’re back in the era of some of the older books, but that era has long since passed, so it feels a bit out of place. Granted, there’s still a chance that Ashfur he’s obtaining his power from someone else, so they could still be another villain behind it, but there’s just as much of a chance of that not happening. Additionally, I’m not that fond of Shadowsight despite him being a major character to the point where his character leaves a bad taste in my mouth a lot of times, so that makes some parts of the book summaries hard to read...
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Mar 16, 2021 11:05:52 GMT -5
I stopped reading the Warriors series for a while after two of my long time favorite characters died at the end of OotS. But I got back into it only last year and despite the obvious decline in quality some aspects of the recent books have I still love these dang battle cats and now cannot bring myself to ever leave again.
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Post by Seven on Mar 16, 2021 11:26:47 GMT -5
Yup. After this series I'll stop collecting books besides a few
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Post by Ghost/Aster on Mar 16, 2021 12:57:04 GMT -5
Likely. I like these books a little too much, but the quality is quickly going downhill. I have my doubts about the 8th arc, so I likely will just be reading leaks, and interacting with fan content. I still want to stay up to date.
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Post by cable on Mar 16, 2021 13:33:49 GMT -5
you sure its not because we’re all in our mid twenties now
edit: in all realness warriors was never very good lmao. its considered niche for a reason.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Mar 16, 2021 13:38:57 GMT -5
you sure its not because we’re all in our mid twenties now edit: in all realness warriors was never very good lmao. its considered niche for a reason. lol so true. the only reason im still in the community is bc of nostalgia and the stubbornness to not let go after all these years. i still find a lot concepts about this series interesting but whats currently going on in the main series is not good imo.
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Post by Fennex on Mar 16, 2021 14:27:17 GMT -5
Idk, I can see the obvious decline in quality, but I love these fighting cats too dang much to let go. I LOVE TBC's story, but the one thing I don't like about TBC and AVOS is that they stopped developing side characters entirely. I miss characters with obvious personalities, even if they aren't fully developed.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Mar 16, 2021 15:52:19 GMT -5
I disagree that the only change from arc 1 to 7 is that all of us aged up. I reread the first four arcs all the time, and while part of it is certainly nostalgia, I believe the actual writing quality is better in the early arcs than the later ones.
The Original Series is still the best arc (while I like Po3 better, I admit it has more issues than OS), and the quality of the franchise has been slowly declining with every new arc. Somewhere in the first few books of OotS, it crossed the x axis of "neutral" and went into "not very good" territory, and just kept going down.
And yeah, I stopped reading after Veil of Shadows. Just not worth keeping up anymore. People still discuss the first four arcs all the time, so I'm not removed from the community by any means. In fact, there's quite a few people in the "everything after TLH isn't canon" gang. You just have to search for them.
I also disagree that Ashfur as the villain of arc 7 is good because "his story never got resolved!" I'm not going to go into detail here because it's not the point of the thread, but I honestly believe that the current arc is an absolute mess of ideas that don't mix well together.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Mar 16, 2021 17:25:03 GMT -5
Still here as Warriors is still at my reading level. I love the fandom and the cats so I'm not letting go for the time being. I've only stopped reading the books for now because of the lockdown. I can't go to Barnes and Noble anymore, online ordering is complicated for me, I hate reading online, and I'm swamped with schoolwork. After this ends I'll do a proper re-read of Warriors, I swear.
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Post by Goldy from Dappleclan on Mar 16, 2021 17:34:06 GMT -5
I haven't bought any of the newer books in years because they're horrible quality. I read them all for free online with the PDFs people distribute.
If Warriors became better quality, I would resume spending money on them. At the moment, the quality is laughably, insultingly bad.
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Post by Ghost/Aster on Mar 16, 2021 18:16:13 GMT -5
i wish. i'm trapped here for life. that was a joke, kinda. sometimes i'm a bit on and off with warriors - i think i lost interest for a little while around when river of fire came out during avos, but i find that i always end up coming back to the books, probably because of the nostalgic comfort of it + the art side of the community. so even if the next arc doesn't hold my attention, i figure i'll at least read spoilers and continue to interact with the fandom. Same, honestly. Welp. No escape now.
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Post by 🎃𝚜𝚙𝚊𝚛𝚔𝚜𝚌𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛🦇 on Mar 16, 2021 18:32:55 GMT -5
I stopped reading after Firestars death, and I genuinely think that's when they should have ended the series. EDIT: Or at least the story with the current clans. They could have made new clans in a new area with brand new characters and I think that would have been a good change.
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Post by Cheetahstar on Mar 16, 2021 18:37:33 GMT -5
you sure its not because we’re all in our mid twenties now edit: in all realness warriors was never very good lmao. its considered niche for a reason. we got the money for the new books now....well....somewhat
but
do we wan t too
i considered squirrelflights hope a waste of money i could have used elsewhere
atleast wings of fire still has entertainment value even in my 20s
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Post by Rainsplash on Mar 16, 2021 19:11:46 GMT -5
I feel like not reading anymore, but I love to be in the Warriors community and it's sorta hard to fit in if you don't read the recent stuff. The characters are messed up. They're all irritating brats who're so whiny and bratty. I hate them with my life. I'm pretty sure my respect for elder people and my understandingness grew while reading and screaming about these characters who are so rude and bratty they can't be nice and good-characterly like those in TPB to save their lives. They're all boring, too. I have no idea who the heck half the Thunder/Shadow/SkyClan cats are, and I don't even care about RiverClan or WindClan anymore. I love my dears back in the first two arcs where I actually KNEW them and thought them as complex and lovable. Now? Oh, no, bratty, whiny ridiculous messes who're poor excuses for a character. I hate how now, I can't bring myself to like anyone. I hate how the Erins handle the villains. Ashfur is the impostor? Oh, my, I'd LOVE to read those Clan cats rambling about how Ashfur ATTACKED Hollyleaf unfairly, huh? Why on EARTH would Ashfur be the impostor? From what I've read, Ashfur is perfectly happy in peaceful in StarClan - please please please, I'm fine with Ashfur being in StarClan so don't mess people up- Honestly, now I feel like I'm wasting money on buying these books. Since my libraries don't have the newer books, I'll have to buy the arcs, but the E-books? Novellas? I'm just... The Warriors series is going downhill. I'm just going to reread TPB and TNP. From POT, I cannot, absolutely cannot link with the main characters. So... you complain that the main characters are whiny messes, and yet you want Ashfur to have a peaceful death in star clan. Do you not see the irony here? Oh, I didn't explain it well. I meant, I just don't like how Ashfur's brought up again, when it seems pretty... forced out. I don't mean Ashfur to be happy or whatever, but I'm just complaining how him being the bad guy again seems forced.
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Post by tallshadowstar on Mar 16, 2021 19:12:50 GMT -5
If I returned to the series back during AVOS, I probably would've felt the same. The first three books were stellar, and then it just plummeted. But TBC has been one of the most consistent arcs we've had in a while in terms of quality and writing, so if that continues to the end then I'll probably pick up the next arc. Also, I genuinely think that Ashfur returning as a villain is a smart move. Yeah, it was wrong for him to have been murdered, but Vicky seriously messed up by putting him in StarClan. That was blatant author favouritism and it never made much sense - he never repented for what he did, so why was he suddenly forgiven? I had other picks for who I wanted to possess Bramblestar, but I'm cool with it being him.
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Post by whiteflight on Mar 16, 2021 19:36:39 GMT -5
I stopped after OoTS and read a bit of DoTC for me imo it feels like after DoTC the writers/editors don't even care about the story or the characters anymore. When I heard about AvoS I thought it was fine but when I heard that they killed Darktail in the middle of the series. I facepalm myself and hearing from the spoilers of what happened after his death the whole series sounded so boring.
Now for this new arc that I don't remember the name to, I liked the plot a lot and I was so excited to hear who this mysterious villain was and how they were so powerful to do all of these things only to hear that it's freaking Trashfur! His arc is over let him fade into the dust like the other characters we don't see anymore. Yes I know everyone wants him in the Dark Forest but what's done is done let's just move on. This cool mysterious cat could have been anyone or a new character that knows a lot just like Rock and Midnight but nope Trashfur is back and now the arc is suddenly all about Squrrielflight the hero cat who has to save the clans again by fighting the ultimate evil Trashfur and saving her love Bramblestar. I was annoyed over the love triangle fight during TnP and I'm getting annoyed over this new arc now. I hope she dies in this arc with Trashfur and Bramblestar actually stays alive. I'm so sick and tired of Squrrielflight she's like a new Dovewing to me now. Instead of getting TIGERSTAR! TIGERSTAR! TIGERSTAR! In our face we got SQURRIELFLIGHT! SQURRIELFLIGHT! SQURRIELFLIGHT! Tons of people have said it already KILL THE OLD CHARACTERS ESPECIALLY HER! Man this is why I'm happy I stopped reading the new warrior books and just read off of spoilers cause I would have burn those books OuOb
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Post by loveisalighthouse on Mar 16, 2021 19:58:15 GMT -5
So... you complain that the main characters are whiny messes, and yet you want Ashfur to have a peaceful death in star clan. Do you not see the irony here? Oh, I didn't explain it well. I meant, I just don't like how Ashfur's brought up again, when it seems pretty... forced out. I don't mean Ashfur to be happy or whatever, but I'm just complaining how him being the bad guy again seems forced. Ah ok. Sorry for misunderstanding.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 17, 2021 2:00:50 GMT -5
Gonna hold out for a RiverClan POV, but if we don't get one next arc, or if it goes back to DotC territory, I think I'mma walk.
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Post by aether on Mar 17, 2021 5:51:07 GMT -5
I stopped reading after Firestars death, and I genuinely think that's when they should have ended the series. EDIT: Or at least the story with the current clans. They could have made new clans in a new area with brand new characters and I think that would have been a good change. Wholeheartedly agree. I'll be honest, I haven't read past TLH (other then some of Bramblestar's Storm), but it feels like the clans are just going on and on. I am reading the series in chronological order and it was honestly nice to read DoTC (despite some of it's awkward plots) because it is just nice to get to know a new group of characters! Especially since it focuses on WindClan. The reason, for the most part, I think people still hang onto warriors is due to the unique nature of how it is set. We don't need to focus on Squirrelflight and Bingotoes for another 3 arcs, we just want to see more DYNAMICS between clans and characters. The actual concept of warriors is interesting enough that if they did a time skip to a fresh group of cats in clans that aren't overpopulated and they actually have personalities it would actually inspire more readers. And yeah, give the people what they want: a set of new faces with the protag being from RiverClan.
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Post by Thunderheart57 on Mar 18, 2021 18:39:21 GMT -5
I stopped reading the series when the last half of AVOS came out because the quality was declining rather quickly, and the series was below my reading level at this point. I found better series after I left the books behind that I felt rewarded my time reading them. It is sad to see a series that I loved reading growing up become this incoherent mess of plot lines and contradictory information that doesn’t match up with what the series before AVOS and TBC established. From what I have been reading about the upcoming 8th arc from James’ emails, I do think that the series will continue to suffer in writing issues and lose readership if they keep going with the Modern Clans and timeline.
I do agree with the other users who mentioned that ending Warriors at OOTS or DOTC would have been beneficial in the long run because both had a conclusion to their stories, though OOTS’ ending is debatable. It felt like AVOS never had one and the two plot lines sounded like they could have been two separate arcs.
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