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Post by Sussuru on Jun 27, 2022 7:55:40 GMT -5
We have to keep in mind that the Golden Deer have the most magic users though! I agree that they're unlikely to win the mock battle but after that? Unless we have a lot of high res characters, GD will start wrecking house late rp.
If we narrow it down to BL vs BE, I think you're right that the former has the better team work whilst the latter is most skilled. If no-one has an opinion on who they think should win out of two, we could randomise it.
Something I thought might be fun would be to put all of BL and all of BE into a random generator and then randomise matchups (who ends up fighting who). We'd then decide which we think would win out of the two. Although, maybe we'd disagree. In which case, not a good idea ahjjlkll;lhuop
Example - Agnar vs Ciarra
Tbh, I should have made him for BE or BL so that the dark magic is spread out a tiny bit but ah well. It'll be fun to see his interactions with them because I dare say Quincy has very different reasons for learning it!
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Post by Pineclaw on Jun 27, 2022 15:11:58 GMT -5
That's true. Their leader might still be an idiot at that point but they'd still be quite challenging. Aaaand now I gotta figure out which of my characters have the best and worst resistance. Aside from my mages, I mean. I think my Lions will have pretty low resistance. Agnar may have a hidden talent for Reason magic but it'll only make him good at learning spells and casting them. It won't improve his res. Out of my student characters Larissa might have the lowest res stat. So yeah, my two Lions ain't good at this. Moving on to my Eagles then. Nora will definitely be one of my high res characters while Vincent isn't good with magic in general, both offense and defense. Callan and Julius will have high res too and I have no clue where to put Tahvo on the scale. But since this is about who would struggle against the Deer with their magic users I can ignore that for now.
Guess that's what it looks like for now: Nora -> Julius -> Callan -> Vincent -> Tahvo -> Agnar -> Larissa
The difference between the first three isn't all that big but they're not entirely the same either.
Whatever we do, we definitely should figure out who everyone's strongest and weakest characters are. That way it could be a bit easier determining who would win in certain matchups.
I think I've written it down at some point but that was before I made Tahvo and Lara. And like you suggested, they could totally arrive in the middle of the mock battle. So I guess I'll have to include them. Alrighty then, from strongest to weakest in terms of physical strength and skill in combat:
Agnar -> Larissa -> Tahvo -> Vincent -> Nora -> Callan - Julius.
I should probably point out that there isn't too big of a difference between Nora and Callan, the former just has more experience. Tahvo (in his "human" form) and Vincent are almost equal too since Tahvo has had a lot of training in both of his forms. In his beastform he's much stronger though, he'd be closer to Lara then.
Dark mages flock to the Golden Deer House, it seems xD But yeah, I can imagine him having his own reasons for learning it.
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Post by Sussuru on Jun 28, 2022 2:41:37 GMT -5
For res, my characters look something like this, with the mages being at the top and physical fighters like Grimm suffering when they face magic. This is just how it is currently so it could change but for now only the first 3 have decent res and Adora's is pretty average.
Fion -> Quincy = Estelle -> Adora -> Rieka -> Grimm
As for strongest and most skilled in combat, it's almost a reversal. Fion and Quincy would have a similar amount of skill in battle while Estelle is still pretty clueless, having never fought before. "Human" Rieka is stronger but less skilled than Quincy so they also are pretty even.
Grimm -> Rieka (beastforrm) -> Adora -> Rieka (human) -> Quincy -> Fion -> Estelle
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Post by Pineclaw on Jun 28, 2022 4:22:46 GMT -5
Finally placed them in order for the resistance thing and added it to my previous post.
Man, Akakios definitely envies Keres. Adora's got a pretty decent place on both lists. Meanwhile Julius is the weakest and only has good res. If my agarthan didn't have to pose as him he'd definitely be much stronger. Still not my best fighter in terms of physical strength since Akakios is mainly a mage but he's not entirely unskilled either.
Trying to figure how my characters would fare against yours. Only within their own classes for now.
Estelle could probably beat Julius. Callan might be stronger than her but I don't think there's too big of a difference yet, especially in terms of skill. I would say Quincy is definitely more skilled than him. I guess Tahvo would be stronger and more skilled than him. He doesn't enjoy fighting but he's had plenty of training and is now getting some extra experience along with Larissa because of the obnoxious bandits and/or cultists.
Nora is somewhat skilled and had some training already but Adora might be a bit stronger than her. Vincent could probably beat them both and Grimm would be stronger than him. While Vincent had much more training than Nora he isn't quite as experienced as Grimm since he doesn't participate in tournaments.
Figuring out the Lions now. Both are pretty strong and experienced. Agnar because his village has to deal with demonic beasts a lot and Larissa because she's trained as one of the bodyguards of Brigid's prince. Do you think they'd have a decent chance against Rieka's beastform? They'd totally beat Fion though xD
That's only for strength and skill though. It'll all look much different if we go by magic and resistance.
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Post by 𝚜𝚙𝚊𝚛𝚔𝚜𝚌𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛 on Jun 28, 2022 12:00:09 GMT -5
Hmmmm my characters would probably go in this order: Silke, Rekka (Beast Form), Megumi (Beast Form), Megumi (Human Form), Luca, Rekka (Human Form). Tho I kinda lost count of students and don't know if we are still planning to have Megumi sit out lkajdflakjdf
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Post by Sussuru on Jun 29, 2022 3:32:35 GMT -5
Yeah, Adora is probably my most well-rounded character at the moment - though she doesn't really excel in any one thing, she's pretty decent in most stats. I figure Keres is stronger than Adora, similar to Akakios is in comparison to Julius, but not excessively. It's more a matter of skill and not having to hold back. 100% Agnar and Larissa would probably beat Rieka's beastform. Most of Rieka's fighting experience comes from protecting her tribe from poachers but poachers are't usually particularly good or skilled fighters, there's just a lot of them. Also, she has the equivalent accuracy of an axe on the battlefield. She may be strong but at the moment, her swings are wild and that means she can't put her full strength behind them. 𝚜𝚙𝚊𝚛𝚔𝚜𝚌𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛, technically we don't need Megumi to sit out now that the houses are even. When Quincy joins (which, idk if that's going to be before or after the mock battle), GD will be uneven. If that ends up being before the mock battle, Quincy will deffo sit out. |
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Post by Pineclaw on Jun 29, 2022 4:06:15 GMT -5
Okay, so for now we have sorted some of our students, even if the difference between some of them won't be too great.
Grimm -> Vincent -> Adora -> Nora
Tahvo -> Quincy -> Callan -> Estelle -> Julius
Agnar -> Larissa -> Rieka -> Fion
I guess Silke will be the strongest Eagle or at least equal to Grimm. Rieka (in her human form) is probably still stronger than Luca, I guess? And how would he fare against Fion? Also wondering where to put Rekka and Megumi in their respective houses. When he's in his beastform he's probably stronger than Quincy. And Megumi seems like she'd be one of the stronger Eagles in her beastform.
Looking back through this thread now and here is what Ember wrote about her characters:
so in terms of strength
weakest to strongest(1 weakest, 8 strongest)
1.Alastair
2. Jason
3. Elara
4. Neason
5. Pierce
6. Ciarra
7. Imrie
8. Searc
So Alastair is probably the weakest of the Eagles while Searc is definitely the strongest Deer.
As for the mock battle, keep in mind that there are lots of unnamed npcs in each class so I guess it's not that unfair of a fight even if Quincy joins before the battle. But yeah, I guess if it's only about our playable ones it'd be fairer if one of the Deer sat this one out. Not that the Eagles would mind, I bet they'd love the extra challenge of having one more opponent. As for the Lions, Konstantin would totally be okay with that.
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Post by Sussuru on Jun 29, 2022 5:50:27 GMT -5
Nice. Can't wait for these lists to become redundant in 6 moons xD
Jk, they're probably gaining to stay mostly the same.
Honestly, the only reason I'd put Fion above anyone else in Blue Lions when it comes to strength is because he does have a little bit of skill with a blade prior to coming to the academy. I'm fully expecting him to end up having the lowest strength in BL because he isn't going to be honing swords much so in a physical fight Luca might be able to beat him? Or if not now, he will be able to later.
That's true! I guess if we're agreeing that Golden Deer won't be winning the mock battle, it's unimportant anyway.
I'll leave it up to you 3 on what you thinks best.
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Post by Pineclaw on Jun 29, 2022 13:15:08 GMT -5
Well, some things could change, I guess ^^ Probably not much (like no one's gonna dethrone the strongest ones) but some characters might catch up to others.
Ah, okay. Still not sure about Fion being the weakest in his house because Jason exists. If I remember correctly he was very sheltered growing up and didn't really get a chance to train. Oh well, let's just wait what Ember says ^^ Kinda like the idea of the house leader being the weakest fighter though.
And now that we're ranking some of our characters I'm wondering about our non-students. The professors are probably stronger than their students and much more experienced. As for the other characters, Ambrose is definitely stronger than Jasmine and Néo. Heck, I think my Taguel is the weakest of them. Okay, he may be able to match Jasmine in terms of strength or might even be stronger but his lack of skill and experience would put him at a disadvantage and she could easily beat him.
Oh well, back to the mock battle. I just realized, even if I have Tahvo and Lara show up mid-battle I wonder how that would affect the whole thing. Sure, their experience from putting up with bandits and cultists over the last weeks might be helpful but they're probably also a bit tired out from their journey. So I don't think it'll give their houses too much of an advantage.
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Post by Ember34 on Jun 29, 2022 14:43:21 GMT -5
Jason you hear that you aren't totally useless
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Post by Pineclaw on Jun 29, 2022 14:52:33 GMT -5
So that settles it then xD Berenike still won't be impressed though. "Oh, so you're stronger than one or two of those surface dwellers. Big deal."
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Post by Ember34 on Jun 29, 2022 15:02:47 GMT -5
"Look at the other two in comparison to your skill, you are so pathetic compared to them"
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Post by Pineclaw on Jun 29, 2022 15:14:03 GMT -5
"That Eagle kid is a graceful dancer supporting his team mates. And that classmate of yours is the prince of the Holy Kingdom of Faerghus. And now look at you, neither useful nor valuable. You really shouldn't take pride in possibly besting them in battle." - Berenike, being a supportive and wonderful father.
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Post by Ember34 on Jun 29, 2022 15:17:05 GMT -5
"I'm not degrading him, I'm givong him constructive criticism, though it leans heavily on the criticism and less on the constructive"
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Post by Pineclaw on Jun 29, 2022 16:19:53 GMT -5
He's gonna show up at some point, right? So the surface dwellers can kick his ass?
As for our rankings now (strength/skill list for now, we can do the one for everyone's resistance to magic after we're done with this)
Silke -> Grimm (or he and Silke are about equal) -> Vincent -> Adora -> Nora -> Elara -> Alastair
(does that look okay to you, Ember? we can switch some of them around if you want)
Searc -> Tahvo -> Quincy -> Callan -> Estelle -> Julius
(Not sure where to put Neason and Ciarra. Neason might be stronger than Quincy while Ciarra and Tahvo could be about equal?)
Agnar -> Larissa -> Rieka -> Luca -> Jason -> Fion
(not sure about Luca's placement here, Spark. Oh well, you and Ember figure that one out xD And we need to place Imrie and Pierce.)
once we're done with that we only need to place Rekka and Megumi. Unless I'm missing something.
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Post by Ember34 on Jun 29, 2022 16:44:46 GMT -5
I'd say maybe ciarra in front of Callan, and put neason between Estelle and Julius, solely because while meason does have experience....well he's an idiot so that docks him points
For imrie and Pierce, hmm, I'd say maybe imrie in front of rieka and Pierce behind rieka
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Post by Pineclaw on Jun 29, 2022 16:54:26 GMT -5
Oh wow, so Neason is the second worst Deer on this list xD But sure, let's do that!
Silke -> Grimm (or he and Silke are about equal) -> Vincent -> Adora -> Nora -> Elara -> Alastair
Searc -> Tahvo -> Quincy -> Ciarra -> Callan -> Estelle -> Neason -> Julius
Agnar -> Larissa -> Imrie -> Rieka -> Pierce -> Luca -> Jason -> Fion
Almost done! Now I only need Sussuru and Spark's opinion on Silke and Grimm, and where Spark would put their two beastkin.
btw Ember, any idea how high or low your characters' resistance against magic is? We kinda realized that the Deer have the most mages and now we need to find out how good or bad everyone's defence against it is. Mostly to better guess their chances for the Battle of the Eagle and the Lion.
Here's what Sussuru said about her characters in terms of resistance: Fion -> Quincy = Estelle -> Adora -> Rieka -> Grimm
And mine: Nora -> Julius -> Callan -> Vincent -> Tahvo -> Agnar -> Larissa
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Post by Ember34 on Jun 29, 2022 17:00:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure tbh
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Post by Pineclaw on Jun 29, 2022 17:10:00 GMT -5
That's okay, it's not something we have to figure out now ^^ I'm not entirely sure about mine either, only that Agnar and Lara should have the worst res while my mages have the highest.
Anyone not bothering with magic at all or not much? They could have a low res stat. So yeah, making your physical fighters weak to magic would work while mages get a higher stat. But again, it's not too important yet so no need to hurry with coming up with something ^^
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Post by Ember34 on Jun 29, 2022 20:33:01 GMT -5
Ight, I'll try get it done before the battle of the eagle and lion
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Post by Sussuru on Jun 30, 2022 3:49:13 GMT -5
'Almost done! Now I only need Sussuru and Spark's opinion on Silke and Grimm, and where Spark would put their two beastkin.'
I'm happy to go with whatever Spark thinks for this one! Grimm may be the son of the Minster of Military Affairs, but Silke is the imperial princess and would most likely have received considerably better (?) and more training. They both take part in tournaments too.
Actually, they trained together at some point in the rp and, if I remember correctly, it was a tie so if they aren't equal, they're pretty close. Still, I'd probably give it to Silke? I mean, going by Three Houses logic, Edelgard was considerably stronger than Caspar...
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Post by Pineclaw on Jun 30, 2022 4:18:20 GMT -5
Yeah, probably. But like you said, they already trained together in the rp and seemed somewhat evenly matched so I wasn't sure. So even if Silke is stronger or more skilled the difference isn't too big. Still gonna list her before Grimm ^^ I mean, we kinda need a house leader who's stronger than their classmates. Fion and Neason didn't exactly score very high xD
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Post by Ember34 on Jun 30, 2022 14:13:29 GMT -5
Playing three hopes, and seeing Shez hairstyle the way it is, and now I'm considering after my first run with the deer, of doing a second file and playing it as searc cause the hair in front of the one eye has me like that
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Post by 𝚜𝚙𝚊𝚛𝚔𝚜𝚌𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛 on Jun 30, 2022 16:39:46 GMT -5
I AM ALIVE. Sorry it took so long to reply kladjflakjdf
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Post by Sussuru on Jun 30, 2022 16:55:50 GMT -5
Three Hopes is really fun - I've been playing it a lot ^^
Hi, Spark, there's no rush!
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Post by Pineclaw on Jul 1, 2022 3:17:31 GMT -5
Yeah, no need to rush, Spark ^^
Quick question about our characters that haven't made an appearance yet. Will they already know some of our other characters? Do you think Quincy has already met some of the other students?
I think Larissa will already know Silke because she's been living in the Empire for about five years, along with her brother, two other commoner kids and Brigid's prince. If Spark's okay with that, of course.
Tahvo may or may not know Rieka. His tribe is one of the more secluded ones but his father Antero also wants to keep things friendly with the other tribes and may visit to meet up with their chieftains from time to time, sometimes taking his son along. Not in a "your kid and my kid should totally hook up" way of course, more of a "that's the future leader of that tribe, so try to get along" thing. What do you think?
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Post by Sussuru on Jul 1, 2022 4:20:21 GMT -5
For Quincy, that depends. He's been stealing from some of the Alliance nobles so maybe Searc & Neason would be aware of his existence? He also may have encountered some of the commoners when he was younger (you know, when he was able to get away from the institute). Aside from that, for the past few years, he's been using an alias and hiding his face.
Students who've lived in Derdriu may have heard of him (or 'Magpie') and most of the Alliance students will probably be aware of the Cadell Institute even if they don't know Quincy.
I guess that's up to you guys? I didn't have any plans but I'm always up for more connections.
Alarick is one of the more well-known chieftains in Albinea. Rieka may have met Tahvo in a diplomatic context? I'd be cool with that though it really depends on just how secluded you want their tribe to be!
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Post by Pineclaw on Jul 1, 2022 12:45:14 GMT -5
Looks like none of my Deer know him then. Oh well ^^
And yeah, sounds good! His tribe still interacts with the other tribes, even if it's less often. Also, their tribe may be one of the smaller ones but as the oldest tribe they kinda feel obligated to offer their assistance to the other tribes if they ever need it. So for that alone Antero will want to speak with the other chieftains from time to time. And since Tahvo is supposed to be his successor he often had to come along. They probably don't do this with every tribe but they definitely visit the bigger or better known ones, both to make sure there won't be any hostilities (because while the wolfskin of Vanha tribe are capable fighters in both of their forms they still wouldn't want to make an enemy of one of the larger tribes) and to see if there are any problems with poachers at the moment (they do have to deal with poachers sometimes but probably not as often as some of the other tribes).
Hm. Now that I think about it, Rieka might notice that Tahvo is not really incapable and is only playing the fool. He tries to look incompetent but whenever he and his father have visited one of the other tribes Antero would often ask him what he would do in certain situations. To see what his son has learned from all these interactions with the other chieftains. And Tahvo's been usually pretty good with coming up with the right answers. So if Rieka remembers that she'll definitely know that he's only pretending to be foolish and incompetent now. She won't know his reasons though since no one outside of his tribe knows about his crest and the alleged curse.
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Post by Sussuru on Jul 3, 2022 13:43:09 GMT -5
I'll probably try to get some more starters up soon.
Had a bit of a stressful day because one of our cats isn't very well :/
Actually a VERY stressful day. I'm really scared for him.
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Post by Ember34 on Jul 3, 2022 14:21:19 GMT -5
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