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Post by pastelpills on Sept 27, 2016 5:43:52 GMT -5
What's your opinion on Mapleshade? I find Mapleshade to be an interesting villain, but I don't think she deserves to be defended, especially when she really did bring this upon herself. Mapleshade thought that everything would be okay between her, Appledusk, and their kits and did plan to tell her Clan the truth... eventually. Until then, she used the name of a highly respected, dead warrior as a cover-up for the father of her kits. Ravenwing had an omen from StarClan and interpreted it as meaning that the three kits didn't belong in ThunderClan, which did seem to be true given how clumsy they were on land but were able to do just fine in the water. And it'd make sense that he would tell Oakstar given that he was the Clan's medicine cat. Despite this, he did feel sympathetic towards Mapleshade and her kits. With Oakstar and Frecklewish, both cats were harsh, yes, but try to look at things from their PoV. Appledusk was the cat who killed two of their Clanmates, Birchface and his apprentice, Flowerpaw. Though this was an accident, Oakstar, Frecklewish, and the rest of ThunderClan clearly saw it as intentional. It's worse for them though because Birchface was Oakstar's son and Frecklewish's brother, and they seemed to be very close too. Frecklewish herself was mentioned to have been depressed after Birchface died. Grief and anger brought out the worse in them after Mapleshade's secret came out, and Oakstar also likely saw the kits as dangerous after Ravenwing told him of the omen. And Frecklewish didn't help save the kits, and while she could've at least tried to help, would it have really made much of a difference? She couldn't swim at all and saw a RiverClan patrol nearby, thinking that they would help. She was only partially right. The RiverClan patrol did help, but it was already too late. As for Appledusk and Reedshine, Appledusk was pretty much a jerk, but did seem to regret his actions when he refused to fight Mapleshade. And Reedshine didn't really do anything other than defend Appledusk and tell Mapleshade to go away. Mapleshade was delusional. She didn't think of the consequences and not once did she think what she was doing was wrong. She killed Ravenwing just for doing his job, and notice how this was before she got the idea to kill in order to silence the wails of her kits. And she did this at the Moonstone, no less. She left Frecklewish to die in a very gruesome manner and though her initial target was Appledusk, she killed him by accident after she was going to attack Reedshine, who was already pregnant by this time. Mapleshade clearly wasn't going to stop after killing just three cats. By the time she killed Appledusk, she no longer cared about avenging her kits, but cared more about avenging herself, otherwise she wouldn't have vowed to Reedshine that she would get revenge on all her descendants, cats that had absolutely nothing to do with Appledusk and Reedshine except be related to them. After her death, Mapleshade pretty much became the catalyst for the Dark Forest training and the Great Battle as a whole. Her grudge stemmed beyond just that of the cats she felt had wronged her in her lifetime. She even tried to kill Sandstorm just because she had a better life than her, and later Spottedleaf for interfering. She even suggested on killing kits so the mothers would have nothing left to fight for. Mapleshade deserved to be in the Dark Forest, and she sealed her fate the very moment she killed Ravenwing at the Moonstone. A bad past shouldn't excuse taking away someone's life. All in all, I dislike Mapleshade as a cat. I personally think that Frecklewish trying to save the kits would make a large difference, considering the fact that like this it's pretty understandable that Mapleshade would go after her. I mean, she did basically watch three kits drown. So if she'd at least tried to save them, she would show she cared a bit at least. And she was somewhat racist when she called the kits half-clan creatures. I think that Oakstar wasn't that good of a leader anyways - he showed kind of clear bias towards Birchface. What I mean is, what if the father didn't kill Birchface but some other cat and Mapleshade wouldn't deny that they were the dead cat's, wouldn't he and Frecklewish act at least little differently? It's understandable that he would be pretty mad but leader shouldn't be like that just because it was actually his son. And it were really just kits after all, and the only thing Mapleshade did that was "disloyal" other than mating with Appledusk was a different opinion on Birchface's death which was understandable. My point is, yes, their father was the one who killed Oakstar's son but they were still kits. I agree that Reedshine didn't do anything significantly bad - but I mean, this cat just lost her whole litter of kits and was banished out of her clan and she tells her that she caused enough trouble and go away? That completely ruined her nice-and-sweet-mate attitude. Also about Ravenwing... I think that all other medicine cats we know so far (or at least most of them) wouldn't tell such a secret. I don't think even Jayfeather would. |
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Sept 27, 2016 20:37:02 GMT -5
I find Mapleshade to be an interesting villain, but I don't think she deserves to be defended, especially when she really did bring this upon herself. Mapleshade thought that everything would be okay between her, Appledusk, and their kits and did plan to tell her Clan the truth... eventually. Until then, she used the name of a highly respected, dead warrior as a cover-up for the father of her kits. Ravenwing had an omen from StarClan and interpreted it as meaning that the three kits didn't belong in ThunderClan, which did seem to be true given how clumsy they were on land but were able to do just fine in the water. And it'd make sense that he would tell Oakstar given that he was the Clan's medicine cat. Despite this, he did feel sympathetic towards Mapleshade and her kits. With Oakstar and Frecklewish, both cats were harsh, yes, but try to look at things from their PoV. Appledusk was the cat who killed two of their Clanmates, Birchface and his apprentice, Flowerpaw. Though this was an accident, Oakstar, Frecklewish, and the rest of ThunderClan clearly saw it as intentional. It's worse for them though because Birchface was Oakstar's son and Frecklewish's brother, and they seemed to be very close too. Frecklewish herself was mentioned to have been depressed after Birchface died. Grief and anger brought out the worse in them after Mapleshade's secret came out, and Oakstar also likely saw the kits as dangerous after Ravenwing told him of the omen. And Frecklewish didn't help save the kits, and while she could've at least tried to help, would it have really made much of a difference? She couldn't swim at all and saw a RiverClan patrol nearby, thinking that they would help. She was only partially right. The RiverClan patrol did help, but it was already too late. As for Appledusk and Reedshine, Appledusk was pretty much a jerk, but did seem to regret his actions when he refused to fight Mapleshade. And Reedshine didn't really do anything other than defend Appledusk and tell Mapleshade to go away. Mapleshade was delusional. She didn't think of the consequences and not once did she think what she was doing was wrong. She killed Ravenwing just for doing his job, and notice how this was before she got the idea to kill in order to silence the wails of her kits. And she did this at the Moonstone, no less. She left Frecklewish to die in a very gruesome manner and though her initial target was Appledusk, she killed him by accident after she was going to attack Reedshine, who was already pregnant by this time. Mapleshade clearly wasn't going to stop after killing just three cats. By the time she killed Appledusk, she no longer cared about avenging her kits, but cared more about avenging herself, otherwise she wouldn't have vowed to Reedshine that she would get revenge on all her descendants, cats that had absolutely nothing to do with Appledusk and Reedshine except be related to them. After her death, Mapleshade pretty much became the catalyst for the Dark Forest training and the Great Battle as a whole. Her grudge stemmed beyond just that of the cats she felt had wronged her in her lifetime. She even tried to kill Sandstorm just because she had a better life than her, and later Spottedleaf for interfering. She even suggested on killing kits so the mothers would have nothing left to fight for. Mapleshade deserved to be in the Dark Forest, and she sealed her fate the very moment she killed Ravenwing at the Moonstone. A bad past shouldn't excuse taking away someone's life. All in all, I dislike Mapleshade as a cat. I personally think that Frecklewish trying to save the kits would make a large difference, considering the fact that like this it's pretty understandable that Mapleshade would go after her. I mean, she did basically watch three kits drown. So if she'd at least tried to save them, she would show she cared a bit at least. And she was somewhat racist when she called the kits half-clan creatures. I think that Oakstar wasn't that good of a leader anyways - he showed kind of clear bias towards Birchface. What I mean is, what if the father didn't kill Birchface but some other cat and Mapleshade wouldn't deny that they were the dead cat's, wouldn't he and Frecklewish act at least little differently? It's understandable that he would be pretty mad but leader shouldn't be like that just because it was actually his son. And it were really just kits after all, and the only thing Mapleshade did that was "disloyal" other than mating with Appledusk was a different opinion on Birchface's death which was understandable. My point is, yes, their father was the one who killed Oakstar's son but they were still kits. I agree that Reedshine didn't do anything significantly bad - but I mean, this cat just lost her whole litter of kits and was banished out of her clan and she tells her that she caused enough trouble and go away? That completely ruined her nice-and-sweet-mate attitude. Also about Ravenwing... I think that all other medicine cats we know so far (or at least most of them) wouldn't tell such a secret. I don't think even Jayfeather would. What I mean is that I don't think Frecklewish would've been able to save the kits even if she tried. It's possible she could've saved them and would've very likely changed her fate, but since she's a ThunderClan cat who can't swim and this was at night in a flash flood, it looks like there was a very slim chance of her being able to save them and not getting killed herself. And again, Frecklewish was still grieving for Birchface when the secret came out. Grief changes others, and we've seen that several times in the series already. Of course what she said was wrong, but considering the circumstances, I can't really say I hate her for that. And I'm not saying what Oakstar did was right, but even if it were bias (and we can't be entirely sure if it was), that still doesn't change the fact that Mapleshade used the name of a highly respected and dead warrior as a cover-up for the father of her kits. That's another reason why she was bani a hed, and Oakstar has been shown to be a strict leader even before then. Not all leaders are going to be like Crookedstar or Bluestar or Firestar when it comes to forbidden relationships. Mapleshade was just unlucky that her leader wasn't as lenient as other leaders. And while Reedshine was rude, I don't really have much of a problem with her other than this. Darkstar clearly wasn't going to let Mapleshade stay anyway and again, considering the circumstances, I'm not surprised. As far as RiverClan knew, it really was Mapleshade's fault that the kits drowned at night in a flash flood, hence the hostility. And again, Ravenwing is a medicine cat and had an omen from StarClan interpreting that the three kits didn't belong in ThunderClan. Of course he would tell Oakstar, who thought that the kits were his kin. Interpreting signs is part of his job! Why would he keep this a secret from his Clan just for Mapleshade, who he even felt sorry for? He wouldn't have been a very good medicine cat for it. I'm not saying what these cats did was right. In fact, I'm neutral on most of them. What I am trying to say is that I don't think they deserve what happened to them. What they did was bad, but I see Mapleshade as being worse than all of them. The deaths of the kits were an accident and an unfortunate chain of events, but Mapleshade killed with the intention of killing even before she got the idea that killing the cats who "wronged" her would silence the wails of her kits. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 21:05:33 GMT -5
Any opinion on Reedshine
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Sept 27, 2016 21:16:16 GMT -5
I'd say neutral. She hasn't really appeared all that much for me to form a solid opinion on her and honestly, the worst she's done was tell Mapleshade to go away when Darkstar wouldn't let her stay. Other than that, I don't think she was that bad but again, there just isn't enough of her for me to form a solid opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 21:19:22 GMT -5
๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต oh okay, sorry for asking you so many opinion. Promise last one: Jessy, do you have anything siding with her or against her?
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Sept 27, 2016 21:47:17 GMT -5
It's okay to ask my opinion on how many cats you want. Like I said, the entire point of this thread is to debate and possibly change my mind on a specific cat. You don't have to apologize and if you want to continue to know what my opinion is, then go ahead. Although I would appreciate it if you would actually debate with me if you can. And Jessy is on my dislike list. She just seemed to be so good at everything even though she was a kittypet and while she could've do some of these things because of that, like hunting for instance, it was still really annoying. I honestly saw her as a Squirrelpaw dyed brown, but worse and I actually like Squirrelpaw. I really don't get why Bramblestar was so infatuated with her. I mean, she was rude to him when they first met and he finds that bold and courageous. She was also hostile towards Squirrelflight when they first met and granted she didn't know who she was, but I still feel like she could've handled the situation better. I also found Jessy to be really nosy, like when she interrupted Bramblestar's conversation with Tawnypelt even after he told her to stay where she was. And don't even get me started on her moving her nest next to Bramblestar, and while he was sleeping no less. The same goes for when she told everyone to leave Bramblestar alone because he was resting, yet she stayed behind. I also found Jessy to be a pointless character in general. Stormcloud and Minty didn't serve much of a purpose story-wise, either, but whereas Stormcloud brings in new blood for the Clan and a possible love interest for Cherryfall and Minty helped flesh out Millie's character, Jessy was specifically used to help Bramblestar realize he still had feelings for Squirrelflight. Vicky even confirmed that he would've chosen Squirrelflight either way, so that makes her even more pointless. However, I appreciate that she accepted the fact that Bramblestar still had feelings for Squirrelflight and I don't think she's a Sue either,but I can see why others might. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 21:53:44 GMT -5
๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ตI agree on everything you say you know. Actually tbh with you, I do not know why, but I have a burning hatred for her when someone writes a fan fiction of BramblexJessy. It disgusts me and makes me uncomfortable. And yes Jessy is like Squirrelpaw dyed brown, except worser as you said. I do not know why ppl find her likeable and a better choice for BrambleStar. I was scrolling for BramblexSquirrel pics and I found this on pintrest: "To be honest, I love Jessy so much. She was so kind (and a far better choice as a mate for BrambleStar) And for all you butthurt BramblexSquirrel shippers are a**holes." Very rude how she says that, but I respect her opinion. I found Jessy to be very rude as well to some cats in the clan. She is the guest in the clan and she does not have the right to do that.
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Post by pastelpills on Sept 28, 2016 8:08:16 GMT -5
I personally think that Frecklewish trying to save the kits would make a large difference, considering the fact that like this it's pretty understandable that Mapleshade would go after her. I mean, she did basically watch three kits drown. So if she'd at least tried to save them, she would show she cared a bit at least. And she was somewhat racist when she called the kits half-clan creatures. I think that Oakstar wasn't that good of a leader anyways - he showed kind of clear bias towards Birchface. What I mean is, what if the father didn't kill Birchface but some other cat and Mapleshade wouldn't deny that they were the dead cat's, wouldn't he and Frecklewish act at least little differently? It's understandable that he would be pretty mad but leader shouldn't be like that just because it was actually his son. And it were really just kits after all, and the only thing Mapleshade did that was "disloyal" other than mating with Appledusk was a different opinion on Birchface's death which was understandable. My point is, yes, their father was the one who killed Oakstar's son but they were still kits. I agree that Reedshine didn't do anything significantly bad - but I mean, this cat just lost her whole litter of kits and was banished out of her clan and she tells her that she caused enough trouble and go away? That completely ruined her nice-and-sweet-mate attitude. Also about Ravenwing... I think that all other medicine cats we know so far (or at least most of them) wouldn't tell such a secret. I don't think even Jayfeather would. What I mean is that I don't think Frecklewish would've been able to save the kits even if she tried. It's possible she could've saved them and would've very likely changed her fate, but since she's a ThunderClan cat who can't swim and this was at night in a flash flood, it looks like there was a very slim chance of her being able to save them and not getting killed herself. And again, Frecklewish was still grieving for Birchface when the secret came out. Grief changes others, and we've seen that several times in the series already. Of course what she said was wrong, but considering the circumstances, I can't really say I hate her for that. And I'm not saying what Oakstar did was right, but even if it were bias (and we can't be entirely sure if it was), that still doesn't change the fact that Mapleshade used the name of a highly respected and dead warrior as a cover-up for the father of her kits. That's another reason why she was bani a hed, and Oakstar has been shown to be a strict leader even before then. Not all leaders are going to be like Crookedstar or Bluestar or Firestar when it comes to forbidden relationships. Mapleshade was just unlucky that her leader wasn't as lenient as other leaders. And while Reedshine was rude, I don't really have much of a problem with her other than this. Darkstar clearly wasn't going to let Mapleshade stay anyway and again, considering the circumstances, I'm not surprised. As far as RiverClan knew, it really was Mapleshade's fault that the kits drowned at night in a flash flood, hence the hostility. And again, Ravenwing is a medicine cat and had an omen from StarClan interpreting that the three kits didn't belong in ThunderClan. Of course he would tell Oakstar, who thought that the kits were his kin. Interpreting signs is part of his job! Why would he keep this a secret from his Clan just for Mapleshade, who he even felt sorry for? He wouldn't have been a very good medicine cat for it. I'm not saying what these cats did was right. In fact, I'm neutral on most of them. What I am trying to say is that I don't think they deserve what happened to them. What they did was bad, but I see Mapleshade as being worse than all of them. The deaths of the kits were an accident and an unfortunate chain of events, but Mapleshade killed with the intention of killing even before she got the idea that killing the cats who "wronged" her would silence the wails of her kits. I''m not saying she should've dived and save them. But I think she could've at least ran out of wherever she was hiding and scream something like "oh no your kits Mapleshade!" or something like that. I get that she was mad but does that give her right to abuse the kits? I mean when you think about it she hurt their mother in front of them and verbally abused them by calling them half-Clan creatures - I'm pretty sure that counts as an abuse. But I get your point. I see your point, but technically she never said he was the father; I personally find this a beautiful showing of butterfly effect, as one "No" would have probably changed Mapleshade's life. I guess not all leaders are the same, but again, it wasn't fair. Side note, I find Mapleshade being banished kind of unrealistic. I mean, wouldn't she have friends, siblings and parents in ThunderClan? I mean there is a possibility that her family died and she had no friends but... really? Wouldn't that be kinda cliche? I mean I get Bloomheart was mad, so he was either unrealistic or just bad mentor. Sorry but there is no way Mapleshade had no friend or family in the Clan that wouldn't stand up for her. It doesn't really have anything to do with Darkstar really. Just because your leader is mad doesn't mean you have to be rude. I always found Reedshine little selfish even before Mapleshade lost her kits. And her selfishness got to maximum level after she hissed at Mapleshade. Well, I understand that he was a medicine cat. But if he felt so sorry for her, why didn't he defend her when Oakstar banished her? I mean, Ravenwing probably knew Oakstar would banish Mapleshade and her kits and that they would have hard time afterwards, and he still told them. If I was Ravenwing I would call Oakstar to talk to him in private and maybe calm him down before he does something he might regret (I'm not saying he regretted banishing Mapleshade though), and not accuse her in front of the whole Clan. Imagine if their father wasn't Appledusk after all and it would cause unnecesary rush. Yes I understand that he was loyal medicine cat, but didn't he have at least a bit of common sense that would stop him from doing so? He knew telling Oakstar would ruin Mapleshade's and the kits' life and he still told him. Sorry but I wouldn't want a medicine cat that does that. I guess I understand why they did it but just like you said, it wasn't right. And again just like you said, grief changes others, so I understand why Mapleshade killed the three (I think that Appledusk deserved it tbh) |
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Sept 28, 2016 11:44:25 GMT -5
Why don't we agree to disagree, Whispering Leaves? I have a feeling this isn't going to go anywhere, but I respect your opinion and thank you for debating.
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Post by pastelpills on Sept 28, 2016 13:49:45 GMT -5
Why don't we agree to disagree, Whispering Leaves? I have a feeling this isn't going to go anywhere, but I respect your opinion and thank you for debating. If you want so. I respect your opinion too, I enjoyed debating too. Any time again. What do you think about my note of Mapleshade's banishment being unrealistic though? |
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Sept 28, 2016 14:28:25 GMT -5
Why don't we agree to disagree, Whispering Leaves? I have a feeling this isn't going to go anywhere, but I respect your opinion and thank you for debating. If you want so. I respect your opinion too, I enjoyed debating too. Any time again. What do you think about my note of Mapleshade's banishment being unrealistic though? Honestly, I never thought it was unrealistic at all. She didn't seem to have any family in the Clan besides her kits and even then, Mapleshade was going to keep the secret of the true father of her kits until they were older and used the name of a highly respected and, again, dead warrior as a cover-up. She was delusional into thinking that everything would be all right for her and had to suffer the consequences, harsh as they were. This isn't to say I agree with the banishment itself though, but it's about time someone actually got an actual harsh punishment for breaking the first code. It brings something different than what we usually see with these types of plots in the series. |
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Post by pastelpills on Sept 28, 2016 14:36:27 GMT -5
If you want so. I respect your opinion too, I enjoyed debating too. Any time again. What do you think about my note of Mapleshade's banishment being unrealistic though? Honestly, I never thought it was unrealistic at all. She didn't seem to have any family in the Clan besides her kits and even then, Mapleshade was going to keep the secret of the true father of her kits until they were older and used the name of a highly respected and, again, dead warrior as a cover-up. She was delusional into thinking that everything would be all right for her and had to suffer the consequences, harsh as they were. This isn't to say I agree with the banishment itself though, but it's about time someone actually got an actual harsh punishment for breaking the first code. It brings something different than what we usually see with these types of plots in the series. But are you trying to say she had no family or friends in ThunderClan at all? I'm not accepting that, sorry. |
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Sept 28, 2016 14:51:37 GMT -5
Honestly, I never thought it was unrealistic at all. She didn't seem to have any family in the Clan besides her kits and even then, Mapleshade was going to keep the secret of the true father of her kits until they were older and used the name of a highly respected and, again, dead warrior as a cover-up. She was delusional into thinking that everything would be all right for her and had to suffer the consequences, harsh as they were. This isn't to say I agree with the banishment itself though, but it's about time someone actually got an actual harsh punishment for breaking the first code. It brings something different than what we usually see with these types of plots in the series. But are you trying to say she had no family or friends in ThunderClan at all? I'm not accepting that, sorry. And I'm not asking you to accept it because we don't know if it's true. Whether she had family or friends in the Clan at the time isn't really my point anyway, nor is there ever any mention of it. My point is that there was no one to defend her. Frecklewish was at least friendly towards her and Bloomheart was her former mentor, but neither of them defended Mapleshade at all. It's different with Appledusk because he at least had Reedshine defending him. Mapleshade had no one and also didn't think she was doing anything wrong. She constantly tried to justify her own actions and refused to take responsibility for them and never felt guilt either, again unlike the other characters. This is why I dislike her, other than her story being poorly written in general I mean. I do like Mapleshade as a villain, though. |
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Post by pastelpills on Sept 28, 2016 14:52:54 GMT -5
But are you trying to say she had no family or friends in ThunderClan at all? I'm not accepting that, sorry. And I'm not asking you to accept it because we don't know if it's true. Whether she had family or friends in the Clan at the time isn't really my point anyway, nor is there ever any mention of it. My point is that there was no one to defend her. Frecklewish was at least friendly towards her and Bloomheart was her former mentor, but neither of them defended Mapleshade at all. It's different with Appledusk because he at least had Reedshine defending him. Mapleshade had no one and also didn't think she was doing anything wrong. She constantly tried to justify her own actions and refused to take responsibility for them and never felt guilt either, again unlike the other characters. This is why I dislike her, other than her story being poorly written in general I mean. I do like Mapleshade as a villain, though. Sorry for misunderstanding your point. But just like I said, if she had no friends or family it would just be cliche. |
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Sept 28, 2016 15:02:54 GMT -5
And I'm not asking you to accept it because we don't know if it's true. Whether she had family or friends in the Clan at the time isn't really my point anyway, nor is there ever any mention of it. My point is that there was no one to defend her. Frecklewish was at least friendly towards her and Bloomheart was her former mentor, but neither of them defended Mapleshade at all. It's different with Appledusk because he at least had Reedshine defending him. Mapleshade had no one and also didn't think she was doing anything wrong. She constantly tried to justify her own actions and refused to take responsibility for them and never felt guilt either, again unlike the other characters. This is why I dislike her, other than her story being poorly written in general I mean. I do like Mapleshade as a villain, though. Sorry for misunderstanding your point. But just like I said, if she had no friends or family it would just be cliche. But how would it be a clichรฉ? If anything, Mapleshade would be the only cat at least so far who was in a forbidden relationship to not have anyone help or vouch for them. It would probably be even more clichรฉ if it were otherwise. And I honestly don't care if something is a clichรฉ or not, so long if it's written well since hardly anything is really original anymore. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 15:04:27 GMT -5
๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต i replied to you I agree on everything you say you know. Actually tbh with you, I do not know why, but I have a burning hatred for her when someone writes a fan fiction of BramblexJessy. It disgusts me and makes me uncomfortable. And yes Jessy is like Squirrelpaw dyed brown, except worser as you said. I do not know why ppl find her likeable and a better choice for BrambleStar. I was scrolling for BramblexSquirrel pics and I found this on pintrest: "To be honest, I love Jessy so much. She was so kind (and a far better choice as a mate for BrambleStar) And for all you butthurt BramblexSquirrel shippers are a**holes." Very rude how she says that, but I respect her opinion. I found Jessy to be very rude as well to some cats in the clan. She is the guest in the clan and she does not have the right to do that.
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Post by pastelpills on Sept 28, 2016 15:04:38 GMT -5
Sorry for misunderstanding your point. But just like I said, if she had no friends or family it would just be cliche. But how would it be a clichรฉ? If anything, Mapleshade would be the only cat at least so far who was in a forbidden relationship to not have anyone help or vouch for them. It would probably be even more clichรฉ if it were otherwise. And I honestly don't care if something is a clichรฉ or not, so long if it's written well since hardly anything is really original anymore. I think it would be kind of cliche because your family & friends dying or turning your back on you is concept of evey 5th fanfic. |
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Sept 28, 2016 15:12:02 GMT -5
But how would it be a clichรฉ? If anything, Mapleshade would be the only cat at least so far who was in a forbidden relationship to not have anyone help or vouch for them. It would probably be even more clichรฉ if it were otherwise. And I honestly don't care if something is a clichรฉ or not, so long if it's written well since hardly anything is really original anymore. I think it would be kind of cliche because your family & friends dying or turning your back on you is concept of evey 5th fanfic. Well, it isn't that clichรฉ to me. |
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Sept 28, 2016 15:15:04 GMT -5
๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต i replied to you I agree on everything you say you know. Actually tbh with you, I do not know why, but I have a burning hatred for her when someone writes a fan fiction of BramblexJessy. It disgusts me and makes me uncomfortable. And yes Jessy is like Squirrelpaw dyed brown, except worser as you said. I do not know why ppl find her likeable and a better choice for BrambleStar. I was scrolling for BramblexSquirrel pics and I found this on pintrest: "To be honest, I love Jessy so much. She was so kind (and a far better choice as a mate for BrambleStar) And for all you butthurt BramblexSquirrel shippers are a**holes." Very rude how she says that, but I respect her opinion. I found Jessy to be very rude as well to some cats in the clan. She is the guest in the clan and she does not have the right to do that. I saw your reply, I just forgot to respond. And honestly, once again we agree so there isn't much I can say anyway. Is there a cat you see on the list that you actually disagree with me on? Because so far it's just been you asking me what I think of certain cats we share the same opinion on. |
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Post by pastelpills on Sept 28, 2016 15:16:38 GMT -5
I think it would be kind of cliche because your family & friends dying or turning your back on you is concept of evey 5th fanfic. Well, it isn't that clichรฉ to me. I guess we have to agree and disagree then. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 15:16:56 GMT -5
๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต oh okay I can not say anything pretty much Moth! We share everything even opinions.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Oct 1, 2016 17:19:22 GMT -5
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Post by Jackalstep on Oct 4, 2016 14:12:54 GMT -5
Okeydokey, how about Silverstream. Why do you like Silverstream? Though I was never much of a fan of Silverstream's relationship with Graystripe considering all the problems it caused, I do like some aspects of her character. For one, she never made her relationship with him as obvious as he did when they were in public and actually fought ThunderClan cats when Graystripe couldn't even fight off a single RiverClan cat. She also helped Firestar speak with Graypool. She saved Firestar and Graystripe from being punished by Crookedstar, who was warned about the flood by Silverstream herself. She even gave Firestar a life and fought beside him against Scourge. She also bared no ill will against either Graystripe or Millie. And I especially like how she was kinda like a guide for Firestar, Stormfur, and even Ravenpaw. Again, not a big fan of Silverstream in terms of her relationship with Graystripe, but she's okay as a character and I wouldnโt mind if we ever got a novella on her someday, if only to help her get more development since for the most part, all her character is known for is being Graystripe's first love interest and mother to his kits. (Rats, okay, how to argue logically against this... well let's try anyways. Sorry it took so long) Just a disclaimer, it has been a while since I've read any of the books she's in, so I apologize if I get some facts wrong. The biggest issue with Silverstream is brought out by her relationship with Graystripe; I know you aren't a fan of that relationship anyways, but it brings out some of her carelessness. I seem to remember that she disregarded the warrior code on the basis of being the Clan leader's kit. She believed she deserved preferential treatment as far as any potential punishment might go; even if their relationship was found out, she expected protection from any severe consequences. Also, in the CP manga, I think even when her father did find out, and expressed his concerns, she still insisted that there was nothing wrong. Basically, she was rather self-centered and nearsighted until her death, because I think she really did improve as a character after going to StarClan. |
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Oct 4, 2016 14:43:28 GMT -5
Though I was never much of a fan of Silverstream's relationship with Graystripe considering all the problems it caused, I do like some aspects of her character. For one, she never made her relationship with him as obvious as he did when they were in public and actually fought ThunderClan cats when Graystripe couldn't even fight off a single RiverClan cat. She also helped Firestar speak with Graypool. She saved Firestar and Graystripe from being punished by Crookedstar, who was warned about the flood by Silverstream herself. She even gave Firestar a life and fought beside him against Scourge. She also bared no ill will against either Graystripe or Millie. And I especially like how she was kinda like a guide for Firestar, Stormfur, and even Ravenpaw. Again, not a big fan of Silverstream in terms of her relationship with Graystripe, but she's okay as a character and I wouldnโt mind if we ever got a novella on her someday, if only to help her get more development since for the most part, all her character is known for is being Graystripe's first love interest and mother to his kits. (Rats, okay, how to argue logically against this... well let's try anyways. Sorry it took so long) Just a disclaimer, it has been a while since I've read any of the books she's in, so I apologize if I get some facts wrong. The biggest issue with Silverstream is brought out by her relationship with Graystripe; I know you aren't a fan of that relationship anyways, but it brings out some of her carelessness. I seem to remember that she disregarded the warrior code on the basis of being the Clan leader's kit. She believed she deserved preferential treatment as far as any potential punishment might go; even if their relationship was found out, she expected protection from any severe consequences. Also, in the CP manga, I think even when her father did find out, and expressed his concerns, she still insisted that there was nothing wrong. Basically, she was rather self-centered and nearsighted until her death, because I think she really did improve as a character after going to StarClan. You're right about all of that and this is exactly why I'm not a big fan of her to begin with. Both she and Graystripe disregarded the warnings that were given to them just because Silverstream was Crookedstar's daughter. Neither thought of the consequences their relationship would bring and it was honestly really annoying to read about, especially in Fire and Ice since Graystripe was acting like a jerk for most of it, and I while the warrior code has its issues, I do disagree with her saying that it needed to change if it couldn't handle her relationship with Graystripe. I do somewhat blame Crookedstar for this though since it's pretty clear that he spoiled Silverstream, but understandably so. In terms of story though, it was interesting, especially since it did help with Graystripe's character development. Now I just wish it was written better, like making it seem less obsessive or make Silverstream more of a character instead of just a plot device. |
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Oct 10, 2016 21:43:56 GMT -5
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Oct 23, 2016 19:34:33 GMT -5
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Post by mymerlincat on Oct 23, 2016 20:27:20 GMT -5
Why do you dislike Tom?
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Oct 23, 2016 20:43:04 GMT -5
He may have died trying to save Sparrow Fur, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a good cat seeing as how he was absolutely terrible to Bumble and Turtle Tail, and he didn't even care that the latter had died either. His personality is anything but pleasant as well. |
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Post by mymerlincat on Oct 24, 2016 12:51:52 GMT -5
He may have died trying to save Sparrow Fur, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a good cat seeing as how he was absolutely terrible to Bumble and Turtle Tail, and he didn't even care that the latter had died either. His personality is anything but pleasant as well. He clearly cared about his kits a lot. He just wanted them to be safe. |
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Oct 24, 2016 13:03:15 GMT -5
He may have died trying to save Sparrow Fur, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a good cat seeing as how he was absolutely terrible to Bumble and Turtle Tail, and he didn't even care that the latter had died either. His personality is anything but pleasant as well. He clearly cared about his kits a lot. He just wanted them to be safe. That still doesn't excuse his actions, such as stealing them away from their mother and attacking Nimble. It's also kind of implied that Tom may have... forced Turtle Tail to become his mate. And Kate has stated on her blog that Tom took the kits not necessarily to continue to have control over Turtle Tail. Interestingly enough, she thinks that he possibly would have abused the kits. She also believes that Tom had a sense of ownership over his kits (rather than affection for them) and that meant letting One Eye hurt them was unacceptable. With these two statements in mind, it seems like he didn't really love his kits at all. |
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