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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 19:11:58 GMT -5
Which main series protagonist did you like least?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 19:15:00 GMT -5
clear sky or flametail for sure lmao. both ungodly annoying
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Post by Elmheart on Jul 25, 2020 19:16:20 GMT -5
I loved Alderpaw in TAQ but after that his character just felt flat and he was just used as a vehicle to talk to StarClan
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 19:17:41 GMT -5
Flametail was both unlikeable and unnecessary as a POV. Felt like Jayfeather Lite with none of the charm or appeal. Didn't bat an eye during the ice hockey scene.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 25, 2020 19:25:51 GMT -5
hard to pick just one, but i voted for dovewing. she's the biggest waste of time in the entire series.
here were my other top choices (based off POV content more so than their character itself): stormfur (his POV chapter is dumb), squirrelflight (later half of TNP), lionblaze (mainly OotS), ivypool, flametail, clear sky, thunder, alderheart, bristlefrost
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Post by Fireleap on Jul 25, 2020 19:28:00 GMT -5
I dislike Leafpool, Squirrelflight, and Dovewing more but Twigbranch's chapters were so hard to get through.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jul 25, 2020 19:37:11 GMT -5
Lionblaze (his chapters were so boring), Ivypool (her spying and jealousy was so poorly written), Clear Sky (he was horrible), and Flametail (he was just poorly written in general).
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Post by sageheart on Jul 25, 2020 19:48:03 GMT -5
i hate clear sky with a passion so i had to pick him
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jul 25, 2020 19:51:23 GMT -5
Bristlefrost, Bramblestar, Clear Sky, Needletail
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Post by Emberstar 🔥 on Jul 25, 2020 20:10:33 GMT -5
I dislike Twigbranch and Clear Sky almost equally, but Twigbranch wasn't as evil, malicious and *looks at Thesaurus* malevolent as Clear Sky, and his redemption was really lame. He had a When friends alive act like a fox but when friends ded act like an angel attitude which I despised at all times.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Jul 25, 2020 20:11:09 GMT -5
In terms of thread title, gonna say Flametail is the worst by far, because at least with everyone else, even if they were less likable, they at least had a PURPOSE. Flametail's purpose is entirely useless.
In terms of the OP question, I find Dovewing the least likable.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jul 25, 2020 20:16:08 GMT -5
Thunder because my god he was so BORING. Even Lionblaze tops him but just barely.
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Post by rainwhisker on Jul 25, 2020 20:53:03 GMT -5
why do so many people not like flametail??? its been a while since ive read power of three/omen of the stars but i remember liking him and thinking he was nice
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 25, 2020 20:55:58 GMT -5
i cannot stand squirrelflight. pretty much everything she did as a protagonist pissed me off.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 25, 2020 21:02:08 GMT -5
Twigbranch. Flametail is a close second, but at least he only had a PoV for one book. With Twigbranch however, we had to read about her sneaking out of camp constantly and never really learning her lesson until the very last book of AVoS. For all the faults TRS had, I can at least appreciate it for finally making me like Twigbranch, but by then, it was far too late for me to like her as a protagonist.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Jul 25, 2020 21:07:41 GMT -5
why do so many people not like flametail??? its been a while since ive read power of three/omen of the stars but i remember liking him and thinking he was nice Because he's useless. I've said this before, it has nothing to do with his personality. Yes, Flametail is nice. That doesn't change the fact that his inclusion was unnecessary and actively detrimental to the quality of the book.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 21:09:01 GMT -5
both ivypool and dovewing.
i think the erins tried to make ivypool as this "strong, badass character" but they handled it the wrong way imo. shes rude, disrespectful to other cats and incredibly selfish. i understand wanting to spend time with your sister but its wrong to take it out on dovewing over things she couldnt control. then she joins the dark forest, played as the victim and blamed dovewing for joining the dark forest when she chose to go there herself. hawkfrost manipulated her but she still chose to go there; she has no one to blame but herself. then we saw her acting bitchy to jayfeather about the journey dovewing went to, disrespecting the elders and she didnt appreciate her real living mentor; instead she preferred hawkfrost over her often. even after she realized she was wrong to trust him, she still admired him and liked his training more than cinderheart. cinderheart was always there for her, supported her and tried to comfort her and ivypool continued to lie to her about the dark forest. she worried dovewing and kept getting herself hurt to be better than her. its selfish behavior in my eyes. just because she handles her shitty "spying" on her own doesnt mean shes "strong" either; she literally didnt do anything. she didnt report shit, purposely avoided the three and was irresponsible with her job she agreed to do. that doesnt make her strong. yelling and screaming at your sister doesnt make her strong either. tbh the only time i understand her yelling at dovewing is when she realized her sister broke the warrior code and lied to see tigerheart, i can sympathize with that stress, and i do feel bad that dovewing used her multiple times. i guess i wish she was written better. ivypool has an alright redemption, and she matured from her jealousy, its just annoying that ppl praise her for every little thing she does. the only right thing shes ever done in her life was telling dovewing not to see tigerheart, because that was a dangerous situation dovewing was putting herself in. however she acted pretty rude throughout most of her life except when shes with fernsong; theyre a couple i have to admit that i like. shes very mature with him and its clear she loves him, no one breaks the code or lies to other; its extremely healthy and i like it. its a shame she was written so terribly, and treated everyone so badly, otherwise she mightve been one of my favorites, because her relationship is so cute and she does have valid reasons for her behavior, but she acted like an asshole most of her life and i cant tolerate that.
dovewing is worse than ivypool. she uses ivypool and takes advantage of her. this is one of the rare situations i sympathize with ivypool because she had to deal with her sisters bullshit 24/7, with her lying and code breaking. her selfish behavior could have caused a war between the clans if she wasnt careful. what pisses me off is that somehow no one caught dovextiger; it was said that some cats saw them talking at gatherings often, but nobody thinks theyre in love? dovewing sneaks around the camp at night, and shes irresponsible with her own spying job too. the three told her to spy on the clans and she never listened. she spied on tigerheart instead. i also cant forgive her for saying she hated ivypool, i know it was out of pressure but what she said was still cruel. dovewing is terrible to ivypool. she lied to her, tried to get her sisters approval for breaking the law, took advantage of her about the secret, and then ran off while she was pregnant. as much as i hate ivypool, i cant blame her for disowning dovewing after finally she decided she was done with her garbage. dovewing has done some unforgivable things. why is she part of the three? she never deserved to have powers. she took advantage of them and used them for her own selfish benefits instead. dovewing cared about herself, which makes her one of the worst, if not THE worst protagonist. her poor redemption of being a good mother doesnt cut it for me; she never learned, she never owned up to her actions, she still tried to get her sisters approval for shit she knows shes guilty for doing; why should ivypool approve of that? she still tried to see her sister, and she doesnt lift a paw to help shadowclan. she only cares about herself and her kits.
bramblestar is another one. i honestly couldnt care less about his behavior now, we can all agree hes been an asshole to squirrelflight. but what bothers me is that he wanted to be deputy, and to me that felt ... out of nowhere...? i havent read tnp in years, so my mind is fuzzy, but from what i do remember that unsettled me is that he was hesitating to save firestar to get power. he tried to take every chance that he could to become deputy, like using berrykit and i remember that he was worried about the kit dying not for the kit's sake, but his own because it would lose his chance to become deputy. also his training in the dark forest was stupid and ooc. he disowned tigerstar in the original series. even tawnypelt called him stupid, and rightfully so. his character is so inconsistent and his actions never made any sense to me, tbh.
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Jul 25, 2020 21:09:46 GMT -5
Of these, there are only 3 that I dislike/hate: - Bramblestar, whom I liked in the first half of TNP but disliked him pretty much all times afterward - Clear Sky, who I hate as a cat but appreciate as a complex, interesting character - Flametail, who I hate as a cat and as a character, he was so utterly pointless
So my vote has to go to Flametail.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 21:22:08 GMT -5
im surprised people hate twigbranch so much lol. i know i dont have many legs to stand on as an avos fan, but i never found her aggravating. definitely nowhere near winner of “worst pov” award for me
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 21:28:48 GMT -5
Dovewing was a very annoying protagonist and it bothered me that she was portrayed as doing the right thing all the time.
Clear Sky is bad too but at least you know the authors WANT you to think he’s bad so I can’t hate him as a protagonist at least for that.
Ivy and Flame were not that great but I don’t dislike them as much as Dove. In fact I don’t think I disliked them through my first reading, not sure if my opinion would be different now.
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Post by Cloverƒall on Jul 29, 2020 19:15:52 GMT -5
Lionblaze and Dovewing were boring.
Clear Sky just a jerk brother and crap dude.
Ivypool (at least the apprentice version of her) was obnoxious.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 19:17:26 GMT -5
I'm really shocked at how unpopular Twigbranch is 0_o
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Post by halogen on Jul 29, 2020 19:44:37 GMT -5
why do so many people not like flametail??? its been a while since ive read power of three/omen of the stars but i remember liking him and thinking he was nice Because he's useless. I've said this before, it has nothing to do with his personality. Yes, Flametail is nice. That doesn't change the fact that his inclusion was unnecessary and actively detrimental to the quality of the book. I think everyone agrees that adding his POV was poorly planned because of how it didn't affect the rest of the plot enough/five POVs was too much, the thing that differentiates people who like or dislike Flametail is that the people who dislike him wish his part was taken to focus on the other POVs, while the people who like him wish his POV was given more importance in place of a lot of the other disliked parts of the book. Either one would fix the problem of him having a POV with too few chapters and too little significance.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 21:10:48 GMT -5
Alderheart. I think his POV is just plain boring :/
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jul 29, 2020 22:23:39 GMT -5
I'm really shocked at how unpopular Twigbranch is 0_o To be fair, she was pretty disliked during AVoS (though I personally find her upbeat personality and struggles to figure out where she belongs more likable than Violetshine)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 22:30:33 GMT -5
I'm really shocked at how unpopular Twigbranch is 0_o To be fair, she was pretty disliked during AVoS (though I personally find her upbeat personality and struggles to figure out where she belongs more likable than Violetshine) I always liked Twigbranch, I thought she was nicer than Violetshine. I liked how she saved a feather to give to Violetshine when they were kits, and her saving Softpelt's life was also really cool. The only downside I can think about her was how she treated Flywhisker, but that's not really her fault, her last two mentors before that were kind of intense.
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Post by jayfeather1234 on Jul 29, 2020 22:37:19 GMT -5
For me, I think that Clear Sky is the worst protagonist. When I first saw that he was getting a point of view in The First Battle, I was looking foreword to finding out how he justified his actions in the previous two books, yet I was slightly disappointed by him. I felt that the authors had the potential to make him a complex fascinating sympathetic villain who could have been a truly compelling character, yet it seemed to me that they couldn’t decide whether to make him a protagonist or an antagonist.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 29, 2020 22:46:43 GMT -5
I'm really shocked at how unpopular Twigbranch is 0_o I already gave my reasons (seriously, she literally snuck out of camp seven times and was never punished for it even once), but another reason people may not like her is how she treated Flywhisker while she was still mentoring her.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 23:03:00 GMT -5
I'm really shocked at how unpopular Twigbranch is 0_o I already gave my reasons (seriously, she literally snuck out of camp seven times and was never punished for it even once), but another reason people may not like her is how she treated Flywhisker while she was still mentoring her. Yeah, I mentioned the Flywhisker thing a couple of posts ago. Dear lord, seven whole times? Wasn't she just a kit/apprentice though?
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