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Post by barberz on Apr 12, 2020 23:19:32 GMT -5
If we think about it, yes, Ash is a lunatic and his struggles for revenge drive him to do more outrageous stuff. The thing is, would he be smart enough to know how to do all that was shown in VOS? If anyone could know how to do it, I would most certainly think Sol. These are a couple theories I have explaining why he could be behind all of this.
1. He was found out in the third book. If it was Ashfur that was behind it all, do you think they'd reveal him this early? I personally don't think so. I know he can easily heal and get stronger and then run away and all that, but it just seems weird to me.
2. Sol could easily have the knowledge to do this. He can go to SC. Midnight the badger told him some stuff, and I know that is something totally different. I also read from a different thread about the fact that he did say that he would be back. What if this was his ultimate plan to get back on the clans?
3. He has some beef with all the clans. He was originally rejected by Skyclan, and then his plans at the lake failed miserably in the end. He could be controlling Ashfur, as Ashfur is the perfect target. He has beef with Bramble, and Sol could've struck a bargain, telling him he can go back to the clans in Brambles body, and Sol will start blocking off the Clans connection with Starclan. That is how the Imposter/Ashfur could have seen Starclan.
4. Sol could've gone to the DF. He technically has a belief in SC, and that could mean that when he died (as he more than likely did,) he went to the DF and started scheming from there. He probably knows how to go back to the ground like the original DF members, and could've taken it a step further.
Anyways, these are my theories on why Sol may be the mastermind behind all of this.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 12, 2020 23:26:33 GMT -5
I am interested in this theory because of Sol's attempts of learning about Starclan. Didn't he interact with Midnight in the past? And we all know Midnight is some mysterious higher being like Rock. Also, Sol's original takeover of Shadowclan could be the basis for how he would forumlate a plan to do the same to Thunderclan, using Ashfur as a pawn since he already hates Bramblestar from before, and the way to take over is to have Bramblestar die and Ashfur go in.
Here's a quote from the wiki on the Ultimate Guide:
"If they could resist Sol’s self-serving, destructive philosophies, they stood a chance of defeating the Dark Forest."
Sol is described as having destructive philosophies and we know the imposter is the same, right?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 23:30:28 GMT -5
I could absolutely see this, and it's a fantastic theory, which I'd love, except for one thing. I kind of don't want him to be dead.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 12, 2020 23:43:05 GMT -5
I've been wanting Sol to return ever since SkyClan arrived at the lake, so any appearance by him in any way would be fine by me, provided it's handled well considering that each time he appears, I feel like his character just gets weaker.
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Post by Willowmoon on Apr 13, 2020 1:09:41 GMT -5
It does make sense and is possible, personally I just have a feeling it isn’t him. I never really enjoyed sol as a villain, I just kind of found him boring. But hasn’t the possesor kind of just ignored skyclan? I feel like sol would try to get back especially them, not ignore them. For some reason I think I’d rather him, if he had to return, to be alive. Sol feels like the kind of cat who would posses someone, he’s weird, but I do feel like his reason for punishing all these cats doesn’t really make sense, didn’t he like not care about the warrior code? I guess he could just be using that as an excuse, idk. Also I haven’t read the books he's in for a long time, so I might be forgetting something. If he were to come back, I think now would be a good time. It’s been a while since he left, but not too long to be suuuupppper unrealistic. I do feel like he would’ve given up on revenge by now, but it’s possible.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Apr 13, 2020 12:00:27 GMT -5
Interesting theory, but I think he wouldn't leave out SkyClan; that's the clan that drove him out. I would expect him to hate them, especially.
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Post by barberz on Apr 19, 2020 13:13:07 GMT -5
Ok, so i've been seeing a lot of people in this thread, thanks by the way for all the feedback on my theory!
So anyways, I have another small theory on why he could be ignoring SkyClan.
He could be planning something extra special for SkyClan. I think Sol was giving them one last chance by asking them to join him, and now he could be planning something very big for them.
This is my big over the top theory of what could happen to Skyclan if Sol is the mastermind.
We know that if this theory is correct, Sol could contact Rootspring, and have him do something, that could maybe kill the Bramblestars Spirit, so he has no chance of getting back inside his body. Sol could come to Rootspring in ghost form and say that he is a different cat that can help. He could use Root to do things that seem harmless, but could be bad. If we want to get even more over the top, Sol could do the same thing to Rootspring that Ashfur did to Shadowsight, but instead to Leafstar, as she was the one i'm pretty sure cast him out.
So that means that Leafstar and Bramblestar are both possessed and could work together to try to destroy all of the clans.
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Post by Fireleap on Apr 19, 2020 14:25:09 GMT -5
While I do want Sol to be involved, I don't think he's the mastermind behind all of this.
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Post by zy on Apr 19, 2020 14:49:49 GMT -5
As much as I’d love to see Sol again, every piece of evidence points to Ashfur so clearly that it’s absolutely him.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 19, 2020 14:54:50 GMT -5
As much as I’d love to see Sol again, every piece of evidence points to Ashfur so clearly that it’s absolutely him. I don't think OP is saying that that Ashfur isn't the posesser (it's pretty obvious he is at this point), but that Sol's the one who's actually pulling the strings and Ashfur is just a lackey. At the very least, it's already pretty clear that the imposter likely isn't working alone.
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Post by dragonfruit on Apr 19, 2020 15:03:25 GMT -5
Sol would be my ideal option, but realistically if it was him BrambleFake would be focusing more on Skyclan by now. It’s been hinted already that Spiresight has had some contact with BrambleFake, so he could be a possibility too.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Apr 19, 2020 15:50:39 GMT -5
While Sol could be the mastermind, I think it goes deeper than that. I can't be the only one who suspected Sol when Darktail showed up in the gorge. I don't really buy the whole Dodge just happened to run into Darktail and sent him SkyClan's way explanation. Dodge and Sol could absolutely have worked together, and without Darktail's knowledge. Sol could have come up with the plan, and had Dodge act as a messenger. That would explain why Sol was never mentioned, and why SkyClan was targeted first. But then there's the problem of Darktail not knowing where the other Clans are. That too can be explained. Dodge was killed. This was a major hitch in Sol's plan. If he is the mastermind, then keeping his identity would be key. An unidentified enemy is much harder to defeat. And he's a weakling, so his identity being revealed so early could be disastrous. But there's no one else he could manipulate. Alder and co showing up was simply a stroke of luck. Or was it? The timing of events are quite interesting when you consider the bigger picture. Alderheart gets a command from StarClan to go find SkyClan. Why does StarClan wait until after SkyClan is driven out to send this message? Surely they'd be aware that the gorge would already be occupied by Darktail. This takes me to my previous speculation on the events in SH. Link.To reiterate my point from that thread: we really don't know where the prophecies and omens come from. There is evidence that they come from someplace higher than StarClan: Rock and Midnight. As Barberz said, we know that Sol has a link to Midnight. To summarize, I think neither Sol or Ashfur are the mastermind. Both are pawns in a much larger game. I suspect it goes all the way to Rock and Midnight. Maybe just Rock, as Midnight has always come across as pretty benevolent. I think Darktail was the first attempt at punishing the Clans. The real targets were the four Clans. SkyClan became an unfortunate casualty because Rock needed Sol. He had to let Sol get his personal revenge before he could use him for his own ends. That would explain why SkyClan isn't being currently targeted.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 19, 2020 16:01:06 GMT -5
i think sol's previous meeting with midnight should become more important...like what else did she tell him or what else was he able to find out on his own when "researching" the spiritual realm (if he did at all, etc)?
there has to be more to this since before his lame backstory was revealed, we all thought sol was mega important. then when it was revealed he met midnight, we thought he was just a super cool manipulative and cunning dude.
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Post by barberz on Apr 19, 2020 19:33:04 GMT -5
While Sol could be the mastermind, I think it goes deeper than that. I can't be the only one who suspected Sol when Darktail showed up in the gorge. I don't really buy the whole Dodge just happened to run into Darktail and sent him SkyClan's way explanation. Dodge and Sol could absolutely have worked together, and without Darktail's knowledge. Sol could have come up with the plan, and had Dodge act as a messenger. That would explain why Sol was never mentioned, and why SkyClan was targeted first. But then there's the problem of Darktail not knowing where the other Clans are. That too can be explained. Dodge was killed. This was a major hitch in Sol's plan. If he is the mastermind, then keeping his identity would be key. An unidentified enemy is much harder to defeat. And he's a weakling, so his identity being revealed so early could be disastrous. But there's no one else he could manipulate. Alder and co showing up was simply a stroke of luck. Or was it? The timing of events are quite interesting when you consider the bigger picture. Alderheart gets a command from StarClan to go find SkyClan. Why does StarClan wait until after SkyClan is driven out to send this message? Surely they'd be aware that the gorge would already be occupied by Darktail. This takes me to my previous speculation on the events in SH. Link.To reiterate my point from that thread: we really don't know where the prophecies and omens come from. There is evidence that they come from someplace higher than StarClan: Rock and Midnight. As Barberz said, we know that Sol has a link to Midnight. To summarize, I think neither Sol or Ashfur are the mastermind. Both are pawns in a much larger game. I suspect it goes all the way to Rock and Midnight. Maybe just Rock, as Midnight has always come across as pretty benevolent. I think Darktail was the first attempt at punishing the Clans. The real targets were the four Clans. SkyClan became an unfortunate casualty because Rock needed Sol. He had to let Sol get his personal revenge before he could use him for his own ends. That would explain why SkyClan isn't being currently targeted. This is a pretty good theory, and I'm not taking anything away from it, but I don't know if the Erins reeeally thought this far ahead. It would be great if they did, but I don't think so. But anyways, I think it would make sense if it were Rock, as he did say he was cursed with knowing everything, and could be trying to end his suffering with this pretty neat plan.
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Post by barberz on Apr 19, 2020 19:38:13 GMT -5
i think sol's previous meeting with midnight should become more important...like what else did she tell him or what else was he able to find out on his own when "researching" the spiritual realm (if he did at all, etc)? there has to be more to this since before his lame backstory was revealed, we all thought sol was mega important. then when it was revealed he met midnight, we thought he was just a super cool manipulative and cunning dude. This is kind of what I was getting at. It's like, the book said that Midnight revealed a lot, and what if she accidentally or purposely told him how to do the stuff Shadowsight found, and thought it would be harmless because he wouldn't be powerful enough. I just don't like how they brushed off his character after the couple of books he was in, even though the prologues and chapters in those books made him seem like some big scary manipulative villain, and oh no! He got our secrets! Then they just don't care after.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Apr 19, 2020 20:42:12 GMT -5
While Sol could be the mastermind, I think it goes deeper than that. I can't be the only one who suspected Sol when Darktail showed up in the gorge. I don't really buy the whole Dodge just happened to run into Darktail and sent him SkyClan's way explanation. Dodge and Sol could absolutely have worked together, and without Darktail's knowledge. Sol could have come up with the plan, and had Dodge act as a messenger. That would explain why Sol was never mentioned, and why SkyClan was targeted first. But then there's the problem of Darktail not knowing where the other Clans are. That too can be explained. Dodge was killed. This was a major hitch in Sol's plan. If he is the mastermind, then keeping his identity would be key. An unidentified enemy is much harder to defeat. And he's a weakling, so his identity being revealed so early could be disastrous. But there's no one else he could manipulate. Alder and co showing up was simply a stroke of luck. Or was it? The timing of events are quite interesting when you consider the bigger picture. Alderheart gets a command from StarClan to go find SkyClan. Why does StarClan wait until after SkyClan is driven out to send this message? Surely they'd be aware that the gorge would already be occupied by Darktail. This takes me to my previous speculation on the events in SH. Link.To reiterate my point from that thread: we really don't know where the prophecies and omens come from. There is evidence that they come from someplace higher than StarClan: Rock and Midnight. As Barberz said, we know that Sol has a link to Midnight. To summarize, I think neither Sol or Ashfur are the mastermind. Both are pawns in a much larger game. I suspect it goes all the way to Rock and Midnight. Maybe just Rock, as Midnight has always come across as pretty benevolent. I think Darktail was the first attempt at punishing the Clans. The real targets were the four Clans. SkyClan became an unfortunate casualty because Rock needed Sol. He had to let Sol get his personal revenge before he could use him for his own ends. That would explain why SkyClan isn't being currently targeted. This is a pretty good theory, and I'm not taking anything away from it, but I don't know if the Erins reeeally thought this far ahead. It would be great if they did, but I don't think so. But anyways, I think it would make sense if it were Rock, as he did say he was cursed with knowing everything, and could be trying to end his suffering with this pretty neat plan. The great thing about having writing as bad as Warriors is that when you need a new plotline, you can go back to the random detail that was left in a book from four arcs ago and expand upon it. Then the whole fandom is like "WOW CONNECTIONS" when you actually didn't think that far ahead at all. XD
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 19, 2020 21:03:57 GMT -5
i think sol's previous meeting with midnight should become more important...like what else did she tell him or what else was he able to find out on his own when "researching" the spiritual realm (if he did at all, etc)? there has to be more to this since before his lame backstory was revealed, we all thought sol was mega important. then when it was revealed he met midnight, we thought he was just a super cool manipulative and cunning dude. This is kind of what I was getting at. It's like, the book said that Midnight revealed a lot, and what if she accidentally or purposely told him how to do the stuff Shadowsight found, and thought it would be harmless because he wouldn't be powerful enough. I just don't like how they brushed off his character after the couple of books he was in, even though the prologues and chapters in those books made him seem like some big scary manipulative villain, and oh no! He got our secrets! Then they just don't care after. exactly!! bruh, so many people pass over sol just because of his SUPER LAME backstory in the skyclan manga! he was obviously set up to be something but turned out to be a guy just using insider info to manipulate the entire group. like come on. i really just want sol to have his potential be out there again.
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Post by mimikyutie on Apr 20, 2020 21:14:01 GMT -5
I think it'd be super neat if Sol was involved, and he's still on my list of suspects.
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