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Post by Hollyfall on Apr 2, 2020 12:40:38 GMT -5
I got some spoilers from my friend who got the book. This website hates me and won't let me insert images, so have a link here for proof instead. Anyways, Pebbleshine's Kits
After the end of the sample, Pebbleshine separates from the kittypets (who had offered that she could give birth with them, though she declines) due to their place they took her to not being the right one. She wanders around, sees a couple of dreamcats, Meets Tree and a loner called Root. She gives birth to Violet and Twig, with the help of some starry cat. They're one day old when she dies. A badger finds her and the kits, and she tries to lure it away onto the Thunderpath, but she gets hit by a monster and dies. She chooses to become a ghost and not to StarClan; watches over them. A couple of Hawkwing's Journey cats appear in StarClan, those being Bouncefire, Snipkit, Billystorm, Micah, Duskpaw, and Sharpclaw.
Mothwing's Secret
Mothwing and Hawkfrost are new warriors, and a flashback of when Tadpole died. We have confirmed mentors for both of them. Leopardstar mentored Hawkfrost, and Mistyfoot mentored Mothwing (which is never brought up in the series at all lol). Mothwing says she would have left with Sasha, but Hawkfrost wanted to stay in RiverClan. Mothwing becomes interested in Mudfur's work as a Medicine cat. More flashbacks to gathering when they get announced as warriors. Mothwing begins to work more with Mudfur. Eventually there's the fake sign, and she's crushed when it's not real, but she concedes not to tell Leopardstar. It shows the Sasha scenes from TNP, and more training. Another timeskip showing her training Willowpaw. Another timeskip showing the whole Stormfur/Brook getting exiled from RC thing. She runs into a couple issues with the not believing in StarClan, telling RiverClan about Hawkfrost's death. Another timeskip showing the Dark Forest battle, and the Shattered Sky battle.
Tree's Roots
Tree (as kit named Earth) Had a friend named Stream, another tom. More toms keep getting kicked out. Sunrise is Tree's sister. Stream dies, Tree starts freaking out about being kicked out because he doesn't want to go. Is taught some skills, gets kicked out. Finds the Sisters' new camp again, tracks them down, tries to rejoin, gets rejected. Meets loner named Root, they becomes friends/associates, but Root dies, resolves to rely only on himself. Meets Pebbleshine in overlap with PK. He lies about his history, since Root told Tree he could be "any cat he wanted to be". He ends up telling Pebbleshine that his mother abandoned him and his sister was always sick. Tree's father is a ghost, but he is unnamed.
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Post by Fireleap on Apr 2, 2020 12:48:45 GMT -5
I'm disappointed but not surprised that Tree's Roots contradicted with established canon. From what you said, doesn't seem like these books had any real point. 2020 strikes again.
EDIT: Apparently Tree was lying in SqH, so good on the Erins/editors for that.
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Post by fireflylanes on Apr 2, 2020 12:51:35 GMT -5
just out of curiosity, does pebbleshine give violet and twig names?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 2, 2020 12:52:10 GMT -5
To be fair, Tree not actually being abandoned has been a thing since SqH, or at least it was heavily implied since it was already established toms are kicked out when they're old enough. It's either a retcon or he just feels like he was abandoned by her. I just assumed this was the case.
And good to know where Rootspring gets his namesake from. Anyway, this is basically what I expected from the novellas. So much so that I just don't have much of an opinion on them. I just have three questions: What are Mothwing's thoughts on the Great Battle? According to Alderheart, she originally thought they were rogues, but what is it like from her own PoV?
Do we know what Pebbleshine originally meant to name her kits?
Is Needlepaw mentioned at all in TR?
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Post by Hollyfall on Apr 2, 2020 12:54:21 GMT -5
I'm disappointed but not surprised that Tree's Roots contradicted with established canon. From what you said, doesn't seem like these books had any real point. 2020 strikes again. They...really did not reveal much. Tree's Roots contradicts his original origin story and his hatred towards Moonlight for abandoning him. The fact that Moonlight abandoned him was brought up a handful of times by him and mentioned a few times in Squirrelflight's Hope.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 12:56:20 GMT -5
Thanks for posting these Tree's Roots sounds pretty interesting. Not going to lie though, I think kinkajou's April Fool's version of Mothwing's Secret sounds way more interesting lol. Speaking of which, does Reedwhisker get much attention in Mothwing's Secret?
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Post by Hollyfall on Apr 2, 2020 12:57:21 GMT -5
just out of curiosity, does pebbleshine give violet and twig names? No. When she dies they're only like a day old, she hadn't named them yet.
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Post by Hollyfall on Apr 2, 2020 13:06:07 GMT -5
I just have three questions: What are Mothwing's thoughts on the Great Battle? According to Alderheart, she originally thought they were rogues, but what is it like from her own PoV?
Do we know what Pebbleshine originally meant to name her kits?
Is Needlepaw mentioned at all in TR? She looks at them (the dark forest) and wonders if the other Medicine cats are right about StarClan, and concludes that whether a rogue or truly a Dark Forest cat, she needs to get on with it and heal her Clan. I think looking at the page itself can explain better than I can lol. Also, no Needlepaw. Seems too early for him to have met her in the timeline.
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Post by dragonfruit on Apr 2, 2020 13:06:56 GMT -5
Mothwing's one is disappointing ngl
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Post by Hollyfall on Apr 2, 2020 13:08:25 GMT -5
Thanks for posting these Tree's Roots sounds pretty interesting. Not going to lie though, I think kinkajou's April Fool's version of Mothwing's Secret sounds way more interesting lol. Speaking of which, does Reedwhisker get much attention in Mothwing's Secret? It's not a problem lol. My friend doesn't have a forum account and didn't care if I posted them. Also, Reedwhisker doesn't seem to appear. If he does (possibly missed an offhand mention), he certainly has no relevancy.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 2, 2020 13:12:16 GMT -5
Oh, I almost forgot. Does everyone know Mothwing's secret at some point in the novella? It seems to at least be common knowledge among the medicine cats by the time Alderheart comes along.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 13:14:39 GMT -5
Thanks for posting these Tree's Roots sounds pretty interesting. Not going to lie though, I think kinkajou's April Fool's version of Mothwing's Secret sounds way more interesting lol. Speaking of which, does Reedwhisker get much attention in Mothwing's Secret? It's not a problem lol. My friend doesn't have a forum account and didn't care if I posted them. Also, Reedwhisker doesn't seem to appear. If he does (possibly missed an offhand mention), he certainly has no relevancy. I was about to get really upset, but then I remembered, that he wouldn't be deputy yet. Though, it's still a little disappointing, seeing as he's Bluestar's grandchild, I figured he'd have at least SOME relevance. Also, wasn't Mistystar, his mother, held prisoner by Tigerclaw? I just looked at his profile, and apparently, he doesn't even have a mentor listed...what?
Speaking of mentors...I'm surprised Mothwing and Hawkfrost got such high ranking cats as their mentors, Leopardstar for Hawkfrost, and Mistystar (originally) for Mothwing.
Maybe they wanted to keep a close eye on them?
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Post by Hollyfall on Apr 2, 2020 13:19:49 GMT -5
To be fair, Tree not actually being abandoned has been a thing since SqH, or at least it was heavily implied since it was already established toms are kicked out when they're old enough. It's either a retcon or he just feels like he was abandoned by her. I just assumed this was the case.
And good to know where Rootspring gets his namesake from. Actually, turns out it wasn't necessarily a retcon. I've updated my post, but Tree lied about his history. The Sisters did end up booting him like the do with all toms. Sorry about that haha.
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All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 2, 2020 13:29:10 GMT -5
To be fair, Tree not actually being abandoned has been a thing since SqH, or at least it was heavily implied since it was already established toms are kicked out when they're old enough. It's either a retcon or he just feels like he was abandoned by her. I just assumed this was the case.
And good to know where Rootspring gets his namesake from. Actually, turns out it wasn't necessarily a retcon. I've updated my post, but Tree lied about his history. The Sisters did end up booting him like the do with all toms. Sorry about that haha. Ah, I thought that might've been the case as well. Thanks!
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Post by Hollyfall on Apr 2, 2020 13:36:31 GMT -5
Oh, I almost forgot. Does everyone know Mothwing's secret at some point in the novella? It seems to at least be common knowledge among the medicine cats by the time Alderheart comes along. Honestly the "secret" is never even blatantly said. Her lack of belief is never stated but it's literally the only thing it could be. Also doesn't seem to indicate that anyone (aside from Willowpaw and Leafpool) knew about it. It's honestly never really touched upon.
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Post by *Faith* on Apr 2, 2020 13:45:37 GMT -5
Oh, yeah! Time to post my thoughts, starting with PK: I wonder who those dream cats she saw were.
I had a feeling she would be shown to meet Tree. Root, though? *Thinks of Rootspring*
Again, I wonder who the starry cat who helped her give birth was. Didn't Feathertail do that for Leafpool? I think she did.
We already knew she got hit by a car, but the badger part is new. :c Poor, Pebble.
Micah? He's still in StC? I mean Moth Flight and the founders have an excuse, but Micah died before he could do anything of importance. I'm surprised he's not faded yet. Nice to see Snipkit, Duskpaw, Billystorm, Bouncefire and Sharpclaw, though.
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Post by *Faith* on Apr 2, 2020 13:53:24 GMT -5
Mothwing's Secret: A Tadpole death flashback? :c I am not looking forward to reading that.
With SOTC being so old, I'm a little surprised that Leopardstar being Hawkfrost's mentor hasn't been retconned. And now we know that Mistystar (Mistyfoot at the time) was Mothwing's mentor. A bit random, but they were shown as close friends at the beginning of MO.
So Mothwing wanted to leave with her mother? I wonder how that would've played out.
I had a feeling the fake sign scene would be shown here.
Well, on the bright side, at least it skips the journey. More Willowpaw! And the Stormfur/Brook exile I suppose.
So the book has both the DF battle and the SS battle? Okay, then.
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Post by *Faith* on Apr 2, 2020 13:57:26 GMT -5
Tree's Roots: Sunrise being Tree's sister was made super obvious in SqH. Not surprised.
Aw. I don't know who this Stream is, but now I'm sad.
So... I'm guessing Pebbleshine meets Root before Tree. Rootspring is definitely a 'dead guy junior' type cat alongside his sister.
So his backstory to Needlepaw was just a lie?
I still want to know what his fathers name is.
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Post by *Faith* on Apr 2, 2020 14:03:04 GMT -5
Are there any new family confirmations in Mothwing's Secret?
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Post by *Faith* on Apr 2, 2020 14:10:14 GMT -5
It's not a problem lol. My friend doesn't have a forum account and didn't care if I posted them. Also, Reedwhisker doesn't seem to appear. If he does (possibly missed an offhand mention), he certainly has no relevancy. Speaking of mentors...I'm surprised Mothwing and Hawkfrost got such high ranking cats as their mentors, Leopardstar for Hawkfrost, and Mistystar (originally) for Mothwing.
Maybe they wanted to keep a close eye on them?
About the mentor bit, Leopardstar was confirmed Hawkfrost's mentor back in Secrets of the Clans. So I was just mainly surprised that it wasn't retconned.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 14:14:06 GMT -5
Speaking of mentors...I'm surprised Mothwing and Hawkfrost got such high ranking cats as their mentors, Leopardstar for Hawkfrost, and Mistystar (originally) for Mothwing.
Maybe they wanted to keep a close eye on them?
About the mentor bit, Leopardstar was confirmed Hawkfrost's mentor back in Secrets of the Clans. So I was just mainly surprised that it wasn't retconned. That is a bit surprising, considering how much stuff they've retconned lately. I haven't read all of Secrets of the Clans yet, I actually have the book in my house, but I'm dreading reading the Badgerfang story, so I haven't finished it yet.
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Post by *Faith* on Apr 2, 2020 14:15:53 GMT -5
About the mentor bit, Leopardstar was confirmed Hawkfrost's mentor back in Secrets of the Clans. So I was just mainly surprised that it wasn't retconned. That is a bit surprising, considering how much stuff they've retconned lately. I haven't read all of Secrets of the Clans yet, I actually have the book in my house, but I'm dreading reading the Badgerfang story, so I haven't finished it yet.
Actually, that story is in Code of the Clans.
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Post by kinkajou on Apr 2, 2020 14:17:33 GMT -5
Tree lying about his history for sympathy to both Pebbleshine and Needlepaw is kinda a jerk move (I can't remember if he told Violetshine)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 14:18:45 GMT -5
That is a bit surprising, considering how much stuff they've retconned lately. I haven't read all of Secrets of the Clans yet, I actually have the book in my house, but I'm dreading reading the Badgerfang story, so I haven't finished it yet.
Actually, that story is in Code of the Clans. Hm, maybe I actually have that book..because I remember seeing it in the beginning, when it lists all the stories. However, it also has the Brackenfur story, and the Swiftpaw and Brightheart one. I'm really confused now, I'll have to find the book later, but the cover has like Tallstar on it, and some other cats, and it's blue, with a moon or something
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Post by *Faith* on Apr 2, 2020 14:19:12 GMT -5
Tree lying about his history for sympathy to both Pebbleshine and Needlepaw is kinda a jerk move (I can't remember if he told Violetshine) I think he just said that his mother left him when he was old enough to hunt, but I might be wrong.
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Post by *Faith* on Apr 2, 2020 14:21:24 GMT -5
Actually, that story is in Code of the Clans. Hm, maybe I actually have that book..because I remember seeing it in the beginning, when it lists all the stories. However, it also has the Brackenfur story, and the Swiftpaw and Brightheart one. I'm really confused now, I'll have to find the book later, but the cover has like Tallstar on it, and some other cats, and it's blue, with a moon or something The Swiftpaw and Brightpaw story was SOTC. The blue on the cover was from that book.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 14:22:47 GMT -5
Hm, maybe I actually have that book..because I remember seeing it in the beginning, when it lists all the stories. However, it also has the Brackenfur story, and the Swiftpaw and Brightheart one. I'm really confused now, I'll have to find the book later, but the cover has like Tallstar on it, and some other cats, and it's blue, with a moon or something The Swiftpaw and Brightpaw story was SOTC. The blue on the cover was from that book. I figured it out! I just found the book, it's Warriors Enter the Clans and it includes both Secrets of the Clans and Code of the Clans.
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Post by Hollyfall on Apr 2, 2020 14:23:00 GMT -5
Are there any new family confirmations in Mothwing's Secret? Skyheart is mentioned to have kits. Dawnflower is also in the nursery, but isn't mentioned with kits. The scene takes place just as Mothwing is apprenticed to Mudfur, so I think she could be expecting/nursing Minnowtail, Tumblekit, and Pebblefoot? I don't think the timeline adds up if that's the case. Perhaps she just had a litter before them. The page for reference. To my knowledge, that's the only one. But I'll keep you updated if there's more.
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Post by *Faith* on Apr 2, 2020 14:43:40 GMT -5
Are there any new family confirmations in Mothwing's Secret? Skyheart is mentioned to have kits. Dawnflower is also in the nursery, but isn't mentioned with kits. The scene takes place just as Mothwing is apprenticed to Mudfur, so I think she could be expecting/nursing Minnowtail, Tumblekit, and Pebblefoot? I don't think the timeline adds up if that's the case. Perhaps she just had a litter before them. The page for reference. To my knowledge, that's the only one. But I'll keep you updated if there's more. Thanks! I am beyond happy to know that Skyheart was still alive. In Su's missing kits Skyheart was the mother to Icewing, Pinefur and Duskfur. But that's probably not the case here. In the main series, Tumblekit first appears in Dawn. We also know that Willowshine is older than Dawnflower's kits.
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