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Post by Mau Furlong on Apr 2, 2020 14:49:33 GMT -5
are the Allegiances out for all 3??
ive only seen for Pebbleshines book....
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Post by Hollyfall on Apr 2, 2020 14:50:25 GMT -5
Also, some family relations for Tree's Roots. Here are the allegiances. And a scene after a storm happens The toms are listed in an entirely different section by their gender, kind of sad. Even Tree and Sunrise, who are the same age as littermates, are separated. She-cats appear to be automatically listed as "Sister", while toms are literally just "Toms". But, I really find amusing that Petal is literally just listed as "Stream's mother". Absolutely no description for her. Conversly, Hawk is a ginger-brown she-cat? In Squirrelflight's Hope, she was a tortoiseshell. Flurry also appears to have vanished.
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Post by swin on Apr 2, 2020 14:58:41 GMT -5
Also, some family relations for Tree's Roots. Here are the allegiances. And a scene after a storm happens The toms are listed in an entirely different section by their gender, kind of sad. Even Tree and Sunrise, who are the same age as littermates, are separated. She-cats appear to be automatically listed as "Sister", while toms are literally just "Toms". But, I really find amusing that Petal is literally just listed as "Stream's mother". Absolutely no description for her. Conversly, Hawk is a ginger-brown she-cat? In Squirrelflight's Hope, she was a tortoiseshell. Flurry also appears to have vanished. "mother of Stream" is such a strange description xD Like they couldn't come up with any sort of pelt color for her?
Also Ice just has green eyes, and no pelt color, which is odd.
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Post by Mau Furlong on Apr 2, 2020 15:00:27 GMT -5
tysm!!
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Post by Hollyfall on Apr 2, 2020 15:04:24 GMT -5
Also, some family relations for Tree's Roots. Here are the allegiances. And a scene after a storm happens The toms are listed in an entirely different section by their gender, kind of sad. Even Tree and Sunrise, who are the same age as littermates, are separated. She-cats appear to be automatically listed as "Sister", while toms are literally just "Toms". But, I really find amusing that Petal is literally just listed as "Stream's mother". Absolutely no description for her. Conversly, Hawk is a ginger-brown she-cat? In Squirrelflight's Hope, she was a tortoiseshell. Flurry also appears to have vanished. Adding onto this, Moonlight has had multiple litters beforehand, and Tree/Sunrise have several older brothers (probably half-brothers, given the Sisters' culture). The Sisters expect toms to wander the land, "guarding it" until they die, which is seen as honorable. From my understanding, it's "oh well if you die doing this, it's no big deal, we boot off more toms anyways" but that's just from the snippets I've been getting so I might be wrong. For reference.
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Post by Hopewish on Apr 2, 2020 15:05:41 GMT -5
do we know when these books take place in the timeline? Mothwing's novella sounds like it's a little all over the place
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Post by Hollyfall on Apr 2, 2020 15:12:51 GMT -5
are the Allegiances out for all 3?? ive only seen for Pebbleshines book.... I've posted the allegiances to Tree's Roots. Pebbleshine's Kits got revealed in the preview. Mothwing's Secret is apparently just a little bit after Firestar's Quest, but still within TNP-range era. Here's ThunderClan, and even though RiverClan is the main focus here, their allegiances are incomplete.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 15:16:28 GMT -5
are the Allegiances out for all 3?? ive only seen for Pebbleshines book.... I've posted the allegiances to Tree's Roots. Pebbleshine's Kits got revealed in the preview. Mothwing's Secret is apparently just a little bit after Firestar's Quest, but still within TNP-range era. Here's ThunderClan, and even though RiverClan is the main focus here, their allegiances are incomplete. Reedwhisker doesn't even make it onto the allegiances? Well..maybe he's still in the nursery, I don't see any other kits listed. He's just chillin in the nursery, at two years old. It's cool to see the allegiances though That's the thing I initially look forward to the most when starting a new Warriors book.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 2, 2020 15:18:31 GMT -5
Tree lying about his history for sympathy to both Pebbleshine and Needlepaw is kinda a jerk move (I can't remember if he told Violetshine) I keep on reading the scene, and that's not how I interpreted it. The way I'm seeing it, he basically just wanted to move on from the Sisters and him gaining sympathy seems to be more of a bonus than anything. He even thinks about telling Pebbleshine the truth, but stops because:
Besides, his real backstory is already sad enough, so why would he lie if all he wanted was sympathy?
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Post by Hollyfall on Apr 2, 2020 15:19:38 GMT -5
do we know when these books take place in the timeline? Mothwing's novella sounds like it's a little all over the place Pebbleshine's takes place right after she gets captured, and ends just a few days before Alderheart and Needletail find Violet and Twig.
Tree's takes place before Pebbleshine's, it's a little hard to pinpoint when in the Clans' timeline exactly, but he's an adult when he meets Pebbleshine. So he's a grown cat when Pebbleshine is expecting kits.
Mothwing's consists of a lot of timeskips. It basically goes Tadpole's death --> Mothwing/Hawkfrost as new warriors--> Mothwing switching to become a Medicine cat --> Stormfur and Brook's exile from RiverClan --> Getting Willowpaw as an apprentice --> TLH battle --> SS battle
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Post by *Faith* on Apr 2, 2020 15:28:22 GMT -5
There's a Swallowpaw in MS. I'm going to take a wild guess and say that's Swallowtail. She first appeared in Dawn.
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Post by Hollyfall on Apr 2, 2020 15:32:54 GMT -5
Tree lying about his history for sympathy to both Pebbleshine and Needlepaw is kinda a jerk move (I can't remember if he told Violetshine) I keep on reading the scene, and that's not how I interpreted it. The way I'm seeing it, he basically just wanted to move on from the Sisters and him gaining sympathy seems to be more of a bonus than anything. He even thinks about telling Pebbleshine the truth, but stops because: Besides, his real backstory is already sad enough, so why would he lie if all he wanted was sympathy? Basically that. He wants to move on from the Sisters. Root tells him that Tree can be his own cat, and since the Sisters got rid of him, he can make his own choices not tied down to them. With Root, Earth renames himself to Tree, so he likely lied to Needlepaw as well.
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Post by *Faith* on Apr 2, 2020 15:37:50 GMT -5
Well, now I just feel bad for Ice and Petal. Lol! At least we have a mother for Stream. I wonder who the mother's of Snail and Mud are. Aw, Haze. :c I don't even know this cat, just that she's a good friend to Sunrise and is a half a year younger. Oh, so Snow was Haze's mother.
Yep, Swallowpaw is Swallowtail. Same description. Also, Mosspelt is her mentor. But... according to Twilight, Willowshine is older than Minnowtail and Pebblefoot. Gah, timeline mistakes.
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Post by *Faith* on Apr 2, 2020 15:43:00 GMT -5
Also, some family relations for Tree's Roots. Here are the allegiances. And a scene after a storm happens The toms are listed in an entirely different section by their gender, kind of sad. Even Tree and Sunrise, who are the same age as littermates, are separated. She-cats appear to be automatically listed as "Sister", while toms are literally just "Toms". But, I really find amusing that Petal is literally just listed as "Stream's mother". Absolutely no description for her. Conversly, Hawk is a ginger-brown she-cat? In Squirrelflight's Hope, she was a tortoiseshell. Flurry also appears to have vanished. Maybe Flurry wasn't born yet. According to the wiki, she's the daughter of Hawk.
EDIT: NVM. Her sister is in the allegiances.
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Post by *Faith* on Apr 2, 2020 15:47:56 GMT -5
I wonder if Skyheart is the mother of Splashpaw, Stonestream and Voletooth. They first appeared as apprentices in Dawn. Beechfur and Rippletail first appeared as apprentices in Twilight.
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Post by Hollyfall on Apr 2, 2020 15:58:39 GMT -5
I wonder if Skyheart is the mother of Splashpaw, Stonestream and Voletooth. They first appeared as apprentices in Dawn. Beechfur and Rippletail first appeared as apprentices in Twilight. Given the timeline, I think that's plausible. Though, I don't think we're going to get any confirmation on it for a long time, if ever. Even in RiverClan-centered books, they're forgotten about it seems.
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Post by Mau Furlong on Apr 2, 2020 16:21:32 GMT -5
are the Allegiances out for all 3?? ive only seen for Pebbleshines book.... I've posted the allegiances to Tree's Roots. Pebbleshine's Kits got revealed in the preview. Mothwing's Secret is apparently just a little bit after Firestar's Quest, but still within TNP-range era. Here's ThunderClan, and even though RiverClan is the main focus here, their allegiances are incomplete. Tysm!!
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Post by Hopewish on Apr 2, 2020 16:22:37 GMT -5
do we know when these books take place in the timeline? Mothwing's novella sounds like it's a little all over the place Pebbleshine's takes place right after she gets captured, and ends just a few days before Alderheart and Needletail find Violet and Twig.
Tree's takes place before Pebbleshine's, it's a little hard to pinpoint when in the Clans' timeline exactly, but he's an adult when he meets Pebbleshine. So he's a grown cat when Pebbleshine is expecting kits.
Mothwing's consists of a lot of timeskips. It basically goes Tadpole's death --> Mothwing/Hawkfrost as new warriors--> Mothwing switching to become a Medicine cat --> Stormfur and Brook's exile from RiverClan --> Getting Willowpaw as an apprentice --> TLH battle --> SS battle ohhh, so does it go Tree's Roots, then Hawkwing's Journey, then Pebbleshine's Kits?
(also, ugh. seriously? whyy does Mothwing's Secret contain so many freaking timeskips.. that's gonna make it an absolute nightmare to place on the timeline.. thanks Erin Hunter.)
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Post by Mau Furlong on Apr 2, 2020 16:24:21 GMT -5
so wait the whole Allegiances for Mothwing's book is the same as Firestar's book??
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Post by Mistybreeze on Apr 2, 2020 16:41:48 GMT -5
Alrighty, reaction time! PK is going to be a cryfest. That much is already apparent. But why, WHY didn't they have her name the kits?!
MS sounds like a bit of mess, but I will be reserving final judgement until I read it. It's nice we got some family tree expansion though.
TR is also going to be emotional. I'm really looking forward to seeing the expanded family tree.
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Post by Sundance on Apr 2, 2020 17:45:56 GMT -5
Not gonna lie, these all sound incredibly boring and uneventful. :-P
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 17:51:49 GMT -5
Not gonna lie, these all sound incredibly boring and uneventful. :-P I agree with that about Mothwing's Secret, Tree's Roots sounds a bit more interesting that I initially thought it'd be. I was never into Pebbleshine's Kits, and I'm still not.
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Post by ashheart19 on Apr 2, 2020 18:17:59 GMT -5
The Mothwing novella sounds really interesting! I think I'm most excited for that one, mainly because it's a RiverClan character novella.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Apr 2, 2020 21:24:40 GMT -5
I definitely feel these were kind of lackluster? Especially Mothwing. Why Mothwing? I can think of other Riverclan cats that could have had better POVs. Heck, I would have preferred a Hawkfrost POV
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Post by *Faith* on Apr 2, 2020 21:36:07 GMT -5
Looking at the allegiances in Midnight and Mothwing's Secret, they are a near copy and paste of each other with only three differences. These are the MS differences: Mothwing is listed as a warrior instead of a medicine cat apprentice, Swallowtail (who wasn't in TNP allegiances until Dawn) is listed here as an apprentice (at least we have a mentor for her) and Skyheart is listed as a queen (I'm glad to at least know she didn't die in the BC battle).
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 2, 2020 22:44:10 GMT -5
fine by me that these novellas suck. i didnt care for any of the characters they were about anyways. i mean i like mothwing the most out of them but none of the summaries actually sound like they accomplished anything
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Post by Brindlefern on Apr 3, 2020 7:39:39 GMT -5
At this point I'm not surprised the novellas sucked.
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Post by morningflower on Apr 3, 2020 7:50:29 GMT -5
I don't see the inconsistencies in Tree's backstories to be bad writing or him manipulating Needletail and Pebbleshine. It's not untrue to say that his mother did abandon him, in the very least emotionally, and that kind of abandonment began from the moment he was born.
The only thing I think of as being odd is Tree being a bit older than I thought he was.
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Post by Mau Furlong on Apr 3, 2020 15:18:55 GMT -5
on the discord it mentioned 2 cats not in the Allegiances...who are Chestnut and Spider
Whos also Mud??
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Post by Hollyfall on Apr 3, 2020 16:12:04 GMT -5
More info regarding Tree's dad and family. Sorry for such spastic information across multiple posts. My friend went over Tree's Roots again, and found out that the loner named Root? He's Tree's father. He's a yellow tom with green eyes, and has a sixth toe like Tree does. Root stayed with the Sisters for a bit, and Moonlight got pregnant with his kits. Then, Moonlight dropped that toms aren't allowed to travel with them, and left him behind, and he resents her for that. Root is also mad that the Sisters kicked Tree out, and says Tree (still Earth at this time) is far too young to take care of himself (Tree is almost seven moons old). So Root says he'll teach Tree how to survive because the Sisters essentially booted him. Root is later killed by a fox, and Tree feels horrible since he just lost his father and the one cat who promised to teach him how to survive. Later on, Tree sees Root as a ghost in the forest, and Root says that dying to protect Tree from a fox was the best thing he had ever done. Just prior, Tree had met with a heavily pregnant Pebbleshine and helped save her from a fox. Tree has another sister. It's Ice. So Tree, Sunrise, and Ice are littermates. Hawk is the mother of Chestnut and Snail. Looks like Tree named Rootspring after his grandfather. Kind of sweet.
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