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Post by moonmasksunfrost on Aug 19, 2016 18:43:22 GMT -5
For anyone who doesn't know, CMM stand for "Change My Mind." In this thread, I will list characters that I love, like, hate, dislike, and am neutral on. If our opinions differ, you may ask why and/or attempt to change my mind. I promise you that I will read long rants. If there's a cat you don't see on here that you'd like to know about, just ask! Aaand, without further ado, on to the listing!
Love- Alderpaw/heart Sandstorm Yellowfang (OS) Stonefur Thrushpelt Gray Wing Brackenfur
Like- Sparkpaw Jayfeather Squirrelflight Firestar Dustpelt Daisy Hollyleaf Crookedstar Shellheart Cinderpelt
Neutral- Ivypool Dovewing Graystripe Needlepaw Leafpool Bumblestripe Lionblaze Briarlight Silverstream Star Flower
Dislike- Spottedleaf Crowfeather Tigerheart Berrynose Yellowfang (OotS edition) Clear Sky/Skystar Millie Jessy Thistleclaw
Hate- All of the 'classic' villains (Tigerstar, Brokenstar, Scourge) Ashfur Mapleshade Appledusk Rainflower
**Again, if I forgot any cats that you want to know about, feel free to ask where I stand! c: :cracks knuckles in preparation for debating:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 18:55:25 GMT -5
Why do you dislike Jessy?
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Post by moonmasksunfrost on Aug 19, 2016 19:01:15 GMT -5
Honestly, Jessy rubbed me the wrong way right off the bat. I mean, Bramblestar tries to help her, and she the cat equivalent of punches him? For trying to help save a life? Honestly. Later on, she seemed a bit pushy/possessive of Bramblestar, moving her nest right next to his and shooing away other cats while he was sleeping.
As for some outside-the-books reasons: I used to think that she was a bit *too* good at everything, even though there are some logical- albeit offscreen- reasons for these qualities. Some of that may be kind of lurking around messing with my opinion of her anyways. I was also pretty annoyed at the Erins for throwing in another love interest to disrupt BramblexSquirrel.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 19:06:17 GMT -5
Honestly, Jessy rubbed me the wrong way right off the bat. I mean, Bramblestar tries to help her, and she the cat equivalent of punches him? For trying to help save a life? Honestly. Later on, she seemed a bit pushy/possessive of Bramblestar, moving her nest right next to his and shooing away other cats while he was sleeping. As for some outside-the-books reasons: I used to think that she was a bit *too* good at everything, even though there are some logical- albeit offscreen- reasons for these qualities. Some of that may be kind of lurking around messing with my opinion of her anyways. I was also pretty annoyed at the Erins for throwing in another love interest to disrupt BramblexSquirrel. Good reason. Well eh, they had to have something to disrupt the ship, don't they?
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Post by moonmasksunfrost on Aug 19, 2016 19:16:48 GMT -5
I don't actually think they needed to, tbh. I'm honestly a bit annoyed that Bramblestar held on to a grudge for that long, and that he needed Jessy to point out that he still loved Sauirrelflight in order to get back with her. They could have worked it out a different way, but I suppose that Jessy served the purpose she was intended for.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 19:21:56 GMT -5
I don't actually think they needed to, tbh. I'm honestly a bit annoyed that Bramblestar held on to a grudge for that long, and that he needed Jessy to point out that he still loved Sauirrelflight in order to get back with her. They could have worked it out a different way, but I suppose that Jessy served the purpose she was intended for. That was a joke XD
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Post by Scarpath on Aug 19, 2016 23:15:08 GMT -5
can i ask you why you dislike Berrynose? or Thistleclaw, whichever you prefer.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Aug 20, 2016 9:22:31 GMT -5
Why do you dislike Star Flower?
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Post by moonmasksunfrost on Aug 20, 2016 11:54:07 GMT -5
I dislike Berrynose because he has always been arrogant- he's been slipped into many conversaitons as an example of bossiness. He mistrusted the former DF cats- including his own brother!- when they had helped the Clans fight. He literally had no reason to mistrust them, but he pointedly avoided going on patrols with them. His attitude even influenced his kits to set that trap with the fox for the DF cats- endangering their own Clanmates. He has not matured nearly as much as some would suggest. In TAQ, he is still mentioned as being bossy (at the beginning, where Alder and Spark are discussing mentors they wouldn't want), indicating that his personality hasn't changed much. I consider that scene with Rosepetal in BrS to be rather questionable, as well, since they're half-siblings.
All in all, he is only a background character, so clearly I don't hate him with a passion as I do several other cats. But his personality has always been somewhat unpleasant to me, what with his arrogance and suspicion. The fact that some would suggest that he's matured- when in reality there is sparse evidence for this- also irks me a little bit.
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Post by moonmasksunfrost on Aug 20, 2016 11:56:34 GMT -5
I dislike Thistleclaw because, as you maaay have gathered from my paragraph on Berrynose, I dislike arrogant personalities. Thistleclaw took that one step further as well, increasing my dislike of him. He caused Bluefur to lose prey merely out of spite, not caring that he had cost the Clan a piece of food. He encouraged brutality in Tigerpaw/claw, acted possessive of Whitekit, etc. He may be a sub-standard villain, but that doesn't make him any less unpleasant.
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Post by moonmasksunfrost on Aug 20, 2016 12:04:52 GMT -5
Why do you dislike Star Flower? While I do not believe her to be a Mary-Sue like some, many of her qualities rub me the wrong way. -She is hypocritical, claiming that "Oh, I do really like you, Thunder!" One moment and going off to flirt with his dad the next. -I do not believe that she was good for Clear Sky in any case. Clear Sky was just starting to feel sorry for what he'd done, and then along comes Star Flower, whispering in his ear about what an amazing leader he was. I agree that she supported him well later on (interacting with Quiet Rain), but that careless attitude toward what he had done in the past was not what he needed. I understand that this point may not be entirely relevant, but it does give me a certain measure of dislike toward her. -She seems to get away with everything. She may have been distrusted initially, but nothing really was done to her punishment-wise, like everyone (especially Clear Sky??) had just forgotten that she betrayed the future Clan cats. That doesn't sit well with me, because even though she had a change of heart later on, she still never owned up to what she had done, settling comfortably into her life in a powerful position- as a leader's mate.
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Aug 20, 2016 12:45:40 GMT -5
Why do you hate the classic villains?
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Post by moonmasksunfrost on Aug 20, 2016 13:01:05 GMT -5
Because they're villains Seriously though, nothing excuses killing cats because of their parentage or turning kittens into child soldiers. Scourge's rough childhood doesn't excuse his transformation into a tyrant and a murderer.
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Aug 20, 2016 14:12:30 GMT -5
Because they're villains Seriously though, nothing excuses killing cats because of their parentage or turning kittens into child soldiers. Scourge's rough childhood doesn't excuse his transformation into a tyrant and a murderer. They are interesting villains, though. And although nothing excuses their actions, they are still enjoyable as characters.
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Post by moonmasksunfrost on Aug 20, 2016 19:22:27 GMT -5
Because they're villains Seriously though, nothing excuses killing cats because of their parentage or turning kittens into child soldiers. Scourge's rough childhood doesn't excuse his transformation into a tyrant and a murderer. They are interesting villains, though. And although nothing excuses their actions, they are still enjoyable as characters. Oh yeah, they're great as villains. They offer some nice sentimental value for me as well. :> but as cats, as characters, I can't do anything but despise them.
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Aug 21, 2016 0:19:46 GMT -5
They are interesting villains, though. And although nothing excuses their actions, they are still enjoyable as characters. Oh yeah, they're great as villains. They offer some nice sentimental value for me as well. :> but as cats, as characters, I can't do anything but despise them. I don't think I can really argue with that. Agree to disagree?
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Post by moonmasksunfrost on Aug 21, 2016 10:54:31 GMT -5
Oh yeah, they're great as villains. They offer some nice sentimental value for me as well. :> but as cats, as characters, I can't do anything but despise them. I don't think I can really argue with that. Agree to disagree? Sure ^u^
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Post by featherdapple on Aug 22, 2016 8:39:05 GMT -5
Why don't you like Ivypool more? (She's my favorite character.)
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Post by moonmasksunfrost on Aug 22, 2016 13:21:07 GMT -5
Why don't you like Ivypool more? (She's my favorite character.) To be honest, I feel like she's pretty overhyped. I see lots of people who like her because she was an "awesome spy," and while her POV was interesting, she honestly didn't pass on much information at all- if any. And while her bitterness early on was somewhat understandable, it was still pretty unpleasant and got seriously out of hand. Those aspects aside, her character never stuck to me, if you know what I mean?
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Post by featherdapple on Aug 22, 2016 15:17:07 GMT -5
I know what you mean, and I will not try to change your opinion on her. Also, why do you like Daisy?
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Post by moonmasksunfrost on Aug 22, 2016 16:09:23 GMT -5
I know what you mean, and I will not try to change your opinion on her. Also, why do you like Daisy? I like Daisy because she's matured a whole lot since joining the Clan. She originally came to ThunderClan expecting to be sheltered and cared for, but after her kits grew up she started pulling her weight a bit more, even though she remained in the nursery. She even fought in the DF battle. I like how her character has progressed.
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Post by featherdapple on Aug 23, 2016 16:40:29 GMT -5
That's a good point, I never really thought much about how she matured. The opposite of the game just happened, you changed my mind.
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Post by moonmasksunfrost on Aug 27, 2016 12:56:28 GMT -5
That's a good point, I never really thought much about how she matured. The opposite of the game just happened, you changed my mind. Bwahaha >:3
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2016 13:00:13 GMT -5
Why do you dislike Millie, and you're neutral on Leafpool?
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Post by moonmasksunfrost on Aug 27, 2016 13:36:57 GMT -5
Millie- First, let me just say that I loved her in the mangas. She was a great character, and I'm genuinely sad to see what the Erins have brought her to. My reasons for disliking her are likely fairly clear- the blatant favoritism and disregard for her other kits' health, smothering poor Briarlight, and adopting a "dead-would-be-better-than-alive-and-crippled" mentality in a number of confrontation scenes with Jayfeather. I wish we could have seen an on-screen apology to Blossomfall, because that sub-plot was, well, a sub-plot, and I wish it had been wrapped up in a better way. The kindness she showed to the kittypets in BrS makes me kind of sad too, because it's clear that the Erins were trying to redeem her in the readers' eyes.
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Post by moonmasksunfrost on Aug 27, 2016 13:38:11 GMT -5
Leafpool- I just... Don't know what to think of her. Personality-wise, she always seemed all right, but her actions... I really just ought to reread TNP.
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Post by Wicked Witch on Aug 27, 2016 14:00:32 GMT -5
what is your final opinion of yellowfang? i know you have a love/hate relationship but there must be some overall opinion you have.
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Post by Pyropelt on Aug 27, 2016 14:23:17 GMT -5
Why do you dislike Tigerheart?
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Asexual
Sootfeather
Now a BNHA addict. Mina Ashido is the best girl and I will fight you all on that.
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Post by Sootfeather on Aug 27, 2016 15:06:56 GMT -5
I dislike Thistleclaw because, as you maaay have gathered from my paragraph on Berrynose, I dislike arrogant personalities. Thistleclaw took that one step further as well, increasing my dislike of him. He caused Bluefur to lose prey merely out of spite, not caring that he had cost the Clan a piece of food. He encouraged brutality in Tigerpaw/claw, acted possessive of Whitekit, etc. He may be a sub-standard villain, but that doesn't make him any less unpleasant. Don't forget that he also threatened to tear Oakheart's throat for trespassing.
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Post by moonmasksunfrost on Aug 29, 2016 19:22:06 GMT -5
I dislike Thistleclaw because, as you maaay have gathered from my paragraph on Berrynose, I dislike arrogant personalities. Thistleclaw took that one step further as well, increasing my dislike of him. He caused Bluefur to lose prey merely out of spite, not caring that he had cost the Clan a piece of food. He encouraged brutality in Tigerpaw/claw, acted possessive of Whitekit, etc. He may be a sub-standard villain, but that doesn't make him any less unpleasant. Don't forget that he also threatened to tear Oakheart's throat for trespassing. Prime example.
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