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Post by ใชใใง็ง on Feb 15, 2019 18:28:21 GMT -5
Which is better?? For those of you who didn't know, Wings of Fire is a book series written by one of the old Erins, Tui T Sutherland. It's about a island of dragons and the first series is about frickin children destined to end a 20 year war between 5 out of the 7 tribes. It's got 12 books so far. Anyways as much as I love Warriors I think WoF is better written, the POV switches between characters each book, getting a look inside the lives of each tribe (except MudWings they only got one book ;- .
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Post by lazy penguin on Feb 15, 2019 18:30:44 GMT -5
I love warriors to death, but my vote easily went to WOF
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Post by Brindlefern on Feb 15, 2019 18:35:36 GMT -5
I love Warriors and it'll always have a place in my heart, but after reading even just the first arc of WOF I can certainly say it's miles ahead of Warriors.
I'm avoiding Darkness of Dragons however. I heard from well-rounded reviews that it's bad, so I'm not gonna mess up my drive for the series by reading it.
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Post by Cheetahstar on Feb 15, 2019 18:35:39 GMT -5
WoF is really interesting but god darkness of dragons was such a bad book STILL SALTY OVER DARKSTALKER
that being said, it still beats warriors
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Post by scint on Feb 15, 2019 18:40:38 GMT -5
Honestly speaking, I don't think either is better than the other. Both have their good quirks and flaws, and that's what makes each one unique in their own way. Both have very confusing and conflicting plots, such as Omen of the Stars (Warriors) and the second arc was confusing depending on who you ask, but it was confusing with the release of Darkstalker's legends book coming out before Talons of Power, I think.
But I personally just flipped a coin and chose, because both are equals in my eyes.
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Post by lazy penguin on Feb 15, 2019 18:44:45 GMT -5
Tbh I didn't think DOD was that bad of a book. Like it wasn't great and had many flaws, but there were still parts I really enjoyed when I read it.
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Post by Fireleap on Feb 15, 2019 19:04:21 GMT -5
Haven't read WOF, so Warriors for me. I've heard WOF is great though, so my opinion may change.
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Post by kinkajou on Feb 15, 2019 20:37:19 GMT -5
WoF is nearly flawless and has Kinkajou
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Post by Cheetahstar on Feb 15, 2019 20:46:25 GMT -5
Tbh I didn't think DOD was that bad of a book. Like it wasn't great and had many flaws, but there were still parts I really enjoyed when I read it. SPOILERS for DOD
the last part ruined the entire book for me, Vulture was there for build up then just... gone?
also HOW COULD NONE OF THEM SEE THEY WERE DOING WHAT THEY SAID WAS WRONG AND NEVER AGKNOWLEDGED IT
Would have been better to kill darkstalker instead of what they did. but hey, each their own
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Post by Kibui on Feb 15, 2019 20:50:54 GMT -5
Gotta have to agree with the others here (except for the general opinion on Darkness of Dragons - except for Winter's character development vanishing pretty much I don't see what's wrong with it and I enjoyed it just as much as the other books): I love Warriors but WoF became my favourite book series because it's basically the series about dragons I've always wanted. The characters are fantastic, the world building is fantastic and it has far far fewer mistakes and inconsistencies
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Post by lazy penguin on Feb 15, 2019 20:58:03 GMT -5
SPOILERS for DOD the last part ruined the entire book for me, Vulture was there for build up then just... gone? also HOW COULD NONE OF THEM SEE THEY WERE DOING WHAT THEY SAID WAS WRONG AND NEVER AGKNOWLEDGED IT Would have been better to kill darkstalker instead of what they did. but hey, each their own yeah thematically it has its issues, but idk. i didn't think they were the types of characters to kill darkstalker so tui had kinda written herself into a corner. since darkstalker wasn't going to back down either. so like i'll take our flawed vaguely horrifying ending over one that was out of character or anticlimactic. also i kinda liked the hypocriticalness of it all? i think it furthers the theme that no one is all good and no one is all bad- whether intentional or not. we can have our heroes believe they did the right thing, even if the idea behind it is flawed and terrible.
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Post by kinkajou on Feb 15, 2019 21:09:06 GMT -5
SPOILERS for DOD the last part ruined the entire book for me, Vulture was there for build up then just... gone? also HOW COULD NONE OF THEM SEE THEY WERE DOING WHAT THEY SAID WAS WRONG AND NEVER AGKNOWLEDGED IT Would have been better to kill darkstalker instead of what they did. but hey, each their own yeah thematically it has its issues, but idk. i didn't think they were the types of characters to kill darkstalker so tui had kinda written herself into a corner. since darkstalker wasn't going to back down either. so like i'll take our flawed vaguely horrifying ending over one that was out of character or anticlimactic. also i kinda liked the hypocriticalness of it all? i think it furthers the theme that no one is all good and no one is all bad- whether intentional or not. we can have our heroes believe they did the right thing, even if the idea behind it is flawed and terrible. That makes sense...I just think it would have been a better ending to Darkstalker's arc if he agreed to it himself and decided to be happy and with his mother again
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Post by lazy penguin on Feb 15, 2019 21:13:45 GMT -5
yeah thematically it has its issues, but idk. i didn't think they were the types of characters to kill darkstalker so tui had kinda written herself into a corner. since darkstalker wasn't going to back down either. so like i'll take our flawed vaguely horrifying ending over one that was out of character or anticlimactic. also i kinda liked the hypocriticalness of it all? i think it furthers the theme that no one is all good and no one is all bad- whether intentional or not. we can have our heroes believe they did the right thing, even if the idea behind it is flawed and terrible. That makes sense...I just think it would have been a better ending to Darkstalker's arc if he agreed to it himself and decided to be happy and with his mother again can't help but agree with you there. i just don't mind what we got as much as others.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 23:12:13 GMT -5
WOF 100% for me. I love all the arcs, and Tui is just really good at writing certain characters. Like Peril, for example, her book is just so fun to read because she has so much personality and spunk to her. It must be really hard to write a character who Literally Can Not Touch Anyone Without Killing Them, but Tui does it so well. I also really like the message that you can do really horrible things but still change and become a better person, even if hardly anyone forgives you for it, and that you don't even necessarily deserve forgiveness even if you do change. It's interesting, and Tui touches on things that I think warriors would never touch.
also... canon gay dragons. like that's such a bonus for me, there's no tiptoe-ing around it, no "well maaaybee they're just friends" and it makes me rly happy to see that. and if Tui keeps her word that there's going to be an LGBT POV (most likely Sundew) in the 3rd arc i would just. be really happy. idk.
also I think the WOF graphic novels are, like, worlds better than the Warriors mangas.
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Post by Amber on Feb 15, 2019 23:20:53 GMT -5
Okay when it comes to books, WoF is good based of the writing, consistency and world building. Not yo mention how there are actual LGBT characters in the series. With that said my experience with the community has been less than stellar. The people in the Warriors fandom has its problems, but it's not as bad/toxic as the WoF fandom can be. Because of this, I've lost some enjoyment of the books. Of course not everyone's like that, however I don't like the books as much as I use to.
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Post by scint on Feb 15, 2019 23:24:57 GMT -5
Okay when it comes to books, WoF is good based of the writing, consistency and world building. Not yo mention how there are actual LGBT characters in the series. With that said my experience with the community has been less than stellar. The people in the Warriors fandom has its problems, but it's not as bad/toxic as the WoF fandom can be. Because of this, I've lost some enjoyment of the books. Of course not everyone's like that, however I don't like the books as much as I use to. Honestly the WOF community scares me.
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Post by Amber on Feb 15, 2019 23:30:47 GMT -5
Okay when it comes to books, WoF is good based of the writing, consistency and world building. Not yo mention how there are actual LGBT characters in the series. With that said my experience with the community has been less than stellar. The people in the Warriors fandom has its problems, but it's not as bad/toxic as the WoF fandom can be. Because of this, I've lost some enjoyment of the books. Of course not everyone's like that, however I don't like the books as much as I use to. Honestly the WOF community scares me. Yeah. What really made me leave was the constant accusations of Tui being racist and homophobic. It was really gross. I was tried of the hate she got as well as those undeserved accusations. Then of course the couple of major artists almost always had drama, and with that drama had their followers attacking others. It was a mess. Of course. my only expierence was through Deviantart and a bit of tumblr, but it was still a turn off.
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Post by scint on Feb 15, 2019 23:33:44 GMT -5
Honestly the WOF community scares me. Yeah. What really made me leave was the constant accusations of Tui being racist and homophobic. It was really gross. I was tried of the hate she got as well as those undeserved accusations. Then of course the couple of major artists st s almost always had drama, and with that drama had their followers attacking others. It was a mess. Of course. my only expierence was through Deviantart and a bit of tumblr, but it was still a turn off. I've also lurked around the Wings of Fire fan wiki, and honestly it scares me too because of how easily fights start there. Mention a character and I bet that someone will give you 10+ reasons why they disagree with you. And I don't really like the homophobic atmosphere there tbh.
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Post by Amber on Feb 15, 2019 23:35:01 GMT -5
Yeah. What really made me leave was the constant accusations of Tui being racist and homophobic. It was really gross. I was tried of the hate she got as well as those undeserved accusations. Then of course the couple of major artists st s almost always had drama, and with that drama had their followers attacking others. It was a mess. Of course. my only expierence was through Deviantart and a bit of tumblr, but it was still a turn off. I've also lurked around the Wings of Fire fan wiki, and honestly it scares me too because of how easily fights start there. Mention a character and I bet that someone will give you 10+ reasons why they disagree with you. And I don't really like the homophobic atmosphere there tbh. Ah yes the wiki too. Yeah I rarely go on there and when I do I try and avoid the comments. Way too many fights and the homophobic atmosphere isn't welcoming in the slightest.
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Post by Brindlefern on Feb 15, 2019 23:36:14 GMT -5
Honestly the WOF community scares me. Yeah. What really made me leave was the constant accusations of Tui being racist and homophobic. It was really gross. I was tried of the hate she got as well as those undeserved accusations. Then of course the couple of major artists st s almost always had drama, and with that drama had their followers attacking others. It was a mess. Of course. my only expierence was through Deviantart and a bit of tumblr, but it was still a turn off. Oh god I've seen the bad side of the WOF fandom on tumblr. There was a literal "confessions" blog there that even had tags full of where people would point out how "homophobic" and "racist" and shit Tui and her writing was when... I got none of that even on my second readings of the books. People there just can't be satisfied without the authors having to walk on eggshells with their work to keep from being seen as "problematic" by SOMEONE I guess. :///
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Post by kinkajou on Feb 15, 2019 23:39:08 GMT -5
I agree with what everyone's saying about the WoF community...I haven't interacted with it for like five years
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Post by Amber on Feb 15, 2019 23:40:09 GMT -5
Yeah. What really made me leave was the constant accusations of Tui being racist and homophobic. It was really gross. I was tried of the hate she got as well as those undeserved accusations. Then of course the couple of major artists st s almost always had drama, and with that drama had their followers attacking others. It was a mess. Of course. my only expierence was through Deviantart and a bit of tumblr, but it was still a turn off. Oh god I've seen the bad side of the WOF fandom on tumblr. There was a literal "confessions" blog there that even had tags full of where people would point out how "homophobic" and "racist" and shit Tui and her writing was when... I got none of that even on my second readings of the books. People there just can't be satisfied without the authors having to walk on eggshells with their work to keep from being seen as "problematic" by SOMEONE I guess. :/// Pretty sure I know what you're talking about and yeah no thanks. It was a toxic environment, which I didn't like. I know it may be a bit ridiclous to lose enjoyment of books because of outside forces, but why continue read something if people you would talk about with make you uncomfortable?
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Feb 15, 2019 23:44:07 GMT -5
Definitely WoF!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 23:44:22 GMT -5
Yeah. What really made me leave was the constant accusations of Tui being racist and homophobic. It was really gross. I was tried of the hate she got as well as those undeserved accusations. Then of course the couple of major artists st s almost always had drama, and with that drama had their followers attacking others. It was a mess. Of course. my only expierence was through Deviantart and a bit of tumblr, but it was still a turn off. Oh god I've seen the bad side of the WOF fandom on tumblr. There was a literal "confessions" blog there that even had tags full of where people would point out how "homophobic" and "racist" and shit Tui and her writing was when... I got none of that even on my second readings of the books. People there just can't be satisfied without the authors having to walk on eggshells with their work to keep from being seen as "problematic" by SOMEONE I guess. :/// o god i know exactly who you're talking about lol i just blocked them cuz i was so tired of seeing them in the tags and on my dash (unfortunately they're like... rly popular smh) I mean I can understand some of the things they're getting at, but saying that Tui is homophobic because there's 5 lgbt females v 1 lgbt male is just. not Correct.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Feb 15, 2019 23:47:08 GMT -5
Yeah. What really made me leave was the constant accusations of Tui being racist and homophobic. It was really gross. I was tried of the hate she got as well as those undeserved accusations. Then of course the couple of major artists st s almost always had drama, and with that drama had their followers attacking others. It was a mess. Of course. my only expierence was through Deviantart and a bit of tumblr, but it was still a turn off. I've also lurked around the Wings of Fire fan wiki, and honestly it scares me too because of how easily fights start there. Mention a character and I bet that someone will give you 10+ reasons why they disagree with you. And I don't really like the homophobic atmosphere there tbh. Ah, yes. The wiki. It's a scary place. One time I saw people saying that Scarlet was a better queen than Ruby and that Flame was the runty female SkyWing egg missing from EP even after I provided evidence to the contrary. I also remember seeing or Burnet's page how one user thought it was wrong to be with Silverspot, but the user had apparently grown up so sheltered that they didn't even know what LGBT+ was, which I thought was both sad and interesting.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Feb 15, 2019 23:57:29 GMT -5
The LGBT+ representation is a step in the right direction, but here's the thing: Umber hasn't been seen since MR and doesn't even end up with Qibli or some other male dragon, Snowfox and Snowflake were antagonists, Anemone having a crush on Tamarin came out of nowhere at the very end of DoD, and Sunspot and Burnet only appear at the beginning of TLC. The representation hasn't been that great is what I'm saying (although it's at least better than some other books I could name). It also doesn't help that most of these dragons have been in the background.
Since Sundew seems to be the LGBT+ protagonist though, I'm not willing to give up hope yet.
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Post by Cheetahstar on Feb 16, 2019 1:01:55 GMT -5
That makes sense...I just think it would have been a better ending to Darkstalker's arc if he agreed to it himself and decided to be happy and with his mother again can't help but agree with you there. i just don't mind what we got as much as others. Yeah I totally agree there, would have been a lot better still.. the whole thing makes me... uncomfortable.
Its a fate worse than death
will darkstalker ever get to see his sister again? or is he denied the afterlife.... just
gone, erased. Only peacemaker
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Post by แแชแ แฝ แพf fแชแแ แพms ใโ on Feb 16, 2019 18:52:36 GMT -5
i just started reading the first book of WoF. So far, it's better set up than Warriors. I can't be 100% on this opinion since i did JUST start.
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