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Post by Brindlefern on Feb 16, 2019 20:51:19 GMT -5
I need to reread WoF! I think I liked it more than Warriors when I read it. I've read only the first seven books. My favorite character has to be Sunny! My second is probably Starflight or Qibli. Bruh I LOVED Sunny! I liked how under her usually happy exterior we saw a much more complex character the moment we got her PoV. (Plus it's really cool how she pretty much helped end the war mostly by herself) I also really liked Starflight. I can relate to an anxious nerdy character like him. And Moonwatcher in her book I could relate to a lot too, being an introvert and all, her reading others minds added an interesting touch to her PoV too.
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Post by scint on Feb 16, 2019 20:58:07 GMT -5
Honestly Sunny is one of the best characters in the WoF.
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Post by Protractor on Feb 16, 2019 21:12:37 GMT -5
MAGICAL RAINWING DEATH SPIT ALL THE WAY
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Post by Pixie on Feb 16, 2019 21:20:21 GMT -5
I need to reread WoF! I think I liked it more than Warriors when I read it. I've read only the first seven books. My favorite character has to be Sunny! My second is probably Starflight or Qibli. Bruh I LOVED Sunny! I liked how under her usually happy exterior we saw a much more complex character the moment we got her PoV. (Plus it's really cool how she pretty much helped end the war mostly by herself) I also really liked Starflight. I can relate to an anxious nerdy character like him. And Moonwatcher in her book I could relate to a lot too, being an introvert and all, her reading others minds added an interesting touch to her PoV too. I liked Sunny even before her POV. I just like happy characters! Happy, complex characters, in my experience, tend to be harder to write about, so I appreciate that about Sunny. Yeah, Starflight is definitely relatable. It's a shame he became blind, but at least he has Fatespeaker!
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Post by kinkajou on Feb 16, 2019 21:23:59 GMT -5
The LGBT+ representation is a step in the right direction, but here's the thing: Umber hasn't been seen since MR and doesn't even end up with Qibli or some other male dragon, Snowfox and Snowflake were antagonists, Anemone having a crush on Tamarin came out of nowhere at the very end of DoD, and Sunspot and Burnet only appear at the beginning of TLC. The representation hasn't been that great is what I'm saying (although it's at least better than some other books I could name). It also doesn't help that most of these dragons have been in the background. Since Sundew seems to be the LGBT+ protagonist though, I'm not willing to give up hope yet. Qinter should have happened and it should have went like this:
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Post by scint on Feb 16, 2019 21:29:49 GMT -5
The LGBT+ representation is a step in the right direction, but here's the thing: Umber hasn't been seen since MR and doesn't even end up with Qibli or some other male dragon, Snowfox and Snowflake were antagonists, Anemone having a crush on Tamarin came out of nowhere at the very end of DoD, and Sunspot and Burnet only appear at the beginning of TLC. The representation hasn't been that great is what I'm saying (although it's at least better than some other books I could name). It also doesn't help that most of these dragons have been in the background. Since Sundew seems to be the LGBT+ protagonist though, I'm not willing to give up hope yet. Qinter should have happened and it should have went like this: I don't care about Moonbli being canon but Qinter should've been canon damn it. Although I wouldn't mind a threesome, it just doesn't seem like something Tui would do yet in the series if I'm being honest.
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Post by Brindlefern on Feb 16, 2019 21:30:39 GMT -5
Bruh I LOVED Sunny! I liked how under her usually happy exterior we saw a much more complex character the moment we got her PoV. (Plus it's really cool how she pretty much helped end the war mostly by herself) I also really liked Starflight. I can relate to an anxious nerdy character like him. And Moonwatcher in her book I could relate to a lot too, being an introvert and all, her reading others minds added an interesting touch to her PoV too. I liked Sunny even before her POV. I just like happy characters! Happy, complex characters, in my experience, tend to be harder to write about, so I appreciate that about Sunny. Yeah, Starflight is definitely relatable. It's a shame he became blind, but at least he has Fatespeaker! Oh totally. I love Star x Fate together. She cares for him and all and they're genuinely sweet together. (Fatespeaker was hit-and-miss for me at first but I grew to like her silliness with the whole "No no I can totally read your mind and see the future!" thing and not being able to. I felt bad for her tbh because I was like "... Who's gonna tell her?" lol). Starflight being blind I was shocked by because wow I did NOT expect it at the very end of the book but he still is able to get a career he's happy with AND a happy relationship with a girl despite it! :DD I also like how Starflight respected that Sunny only liked him as a brother-figure and moved on from that. It was a nice change from the stuff we see in Warriors, where you get a cat who turns into a literal psycho yandere who wants to murder your family the moment you say you just wanna stay friends despite knowing he likes you romantically. *COUGHS*
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Post by Pixie on Feb 16, 2019 21:35:06 GMT -5
I liked Sunny even before her POV. I just like happy characters! Happy, complex characters, in my experience, tend to be harder to write about, so I appreciate that about Sunny. Yeah, Starflight is definitely relatable. It's a shame he became blind, but at least he has Fatespeaker! Oh totally. I love Star x Fate together. She cares for him and all and they're genuinely sweet together. (Fatespeaker was hit-and-miss for me at first but I grew to like her silliness with the whole "No no I can totally read your mind and see the future!" thing and not being able to. I felt bad for her tbh because I was like "... Who's gonna tell her?" lol). Starflight being blind I was shocked by because wow I did NOT expect it at the very end of the book but he still is able to get a career he's happy with AND a happy relationship with a girl despite it! :DD I also like how Starflight respected that Sunny only liked him as a brother-figure and moved on from that. It was a nice change from the stuff we see in Warriors, where you get a cat who turns into a literal psycho yandere who wants to murder your family the moment you say you just wanna stay friends despite knowing he likes you romantically. *COUGHS*Yeah, honestly, Fatespeaker was a humorous character, but yeah, it's sad to think about the source of the humor. No dragon tells her, so she just goes on, talking about her visions. Tui said in an interview that there was an already existing character perfect for Sunny, they just had to meet? I wonder who it is.
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Post by Brindlefern on Feb 16, 2019 21:38:33 GMT -5
Also yeah I was totally hoping for Qinter to be canon. Qibli was like... thinking of Winter as handsome and all that and joking about marrying him like?? Qibli plz, your bi-ness is showing. Even though it didn't go through and have them actually get together I liked how subtle and not "in your face" him potentially being bi is while still being there through the books instead of just word of god.
On another note of LGBT rep, did ya know in the newest series it mentions that Blue has two mothers? Yeah, lesbian dragons bruh. Granted Silverspot is his step-momma but still, it's said that they love each other more than they could Admiral, their former male mate. I thought that was a neat little thing Tui added, even as small as it is, but it's not beating around the bush about it. That's more than Warriors could even do.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 16, 2019 21:52:31 GMT -5
While I was reading DoD, I was honestly half expecting for Qinter to happen, or at least make it clear that they would give a relationship a try once Winter has had things figured out. Maybe it's just because I haven't read it in awhile, but Winter somehow felt angrier than usual in DoD, but maybe it's just me. And he basically ends up with nothing but an in-progress town for scavengers at the end. I know it's supposed to be bittersweet, but it just feels sad.
He doesn't even know about what happened to Darkstalker and I get why they didn't tell him, but after everything he's been through, the resolution to his story in general was just annoying.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 22:34:31 GMT -5
I'm in the minority that couldn't really see Qinter happening, or at least it was very one sided. Qibli is like definitely bi in my eyes, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he had a thing for Winter, but I didn't see anything from Winter's side that indicated any feelings for Qibli. If it were to happen, it would need more development imo. Winter is just kind of jerk-ish and I don't really think he was ready for a relationship at all, with anyone.
I also have a soft spot for Moonbli so I'm not disappointed about it, and I'm one of the few who actually didn't mind how they got together. It could have been written better of course but I'm honestly just relieved she didn't choose Winter, who I think was far too aggressive and argumentative for her.
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Post by scint on Feb 16, 2019 22:39:07 GMT -5
I'm in the minority that couldn't really see Qinter happening, or at least it was very one sided. Qibli is like definitely bi in my eyes, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he had a thing for Winter, but I didn't see anything from Winter's side that indicated any feelings for Qibli. If it were to happen, it would need more development imo. Winter is just kind of jerk-ish and I don't really think he was ready for a relationship at all, with anyone. I also have a soft spot for Moonbli so I'm not disappointed about it, and I'm one of the few who actually didn't mind how they got together. It could have been written better of course but I'm honestly just relieved she didn't choose Winter, who I think was far too aggressive and argumentative for her. Agreed. While I do like Qinter, I feel like it needed to be developed more before anything could be done with it. Honestly, Winter was jerk-ish and wasn't ready for a relationship yet; I feel like if he matures more then I think I could see him having a relationship, but I would prefer him single tbh. I kinda have a tiny soft spot for Moonbli, and I'm thankful that Moon didn't choose Winter as well. I think that'd just be caving into fanservice as well imo.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 16, 2019 22:46:45 GMT -5
I'm in the minority that couldn't really see Qinter happening, or at least it was very one sided. Qibli is like definitely bi in my eyes, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he had a thing for Winter, but I didn't see anything from Winter's side that indicated any feelings for Qibli. If it were to happen, it would need more development imo. Winter is just kind of jerk-ish and I don't really think he was ready for a relationship at all, with anyone. I also have a soft spot for Moonbli so I'm not disappointed about it, and I'm one of the few who actually didn't mind how they got together. It could have been written better of course but I'm honestly just relieved she didn't choose Winter, who I think was far too aggressive and argumentative for her. Agreed. While I do like Qinter, I feel like it needed to be developed more before anything could be done with it. Honestly, Winter was jerk-ish and wasn't ready for a relationship yet; I feel like if he matures more then I think I could see him having a relationship, but I would prefer him single tbh. I kinda have a tiny soft spot for Moonbli, and I'm thankful that Moon didn't choose Winter as well. I think that'd just be caving into fanservice as well imo. I agree with this as well. While I'm not a big fan of Moonbli (I feel like it could've been better developed) I don't really mind that much that Moon didn't end up with Winter, either. Like I said, he felt angrier that usual from what I can remember of DoD, so that's why I said if he ever has a relationship, it should be after he's gotten things sorted out, so I'm glad Tui went down this route and actually addresses this, but I still feel bad for him, so my feelings are fairly mixed, but still leaning towards positive at least in terms of a romantic storyline.
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All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 16, 2019 22:51:41 GMT -5
Speaking of romance, why does almost every dragon have to have on? Even Sunny will apparently be in a relationship if she ever meets that dragon Tui wants her to be with.
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Post by scint on Feb 16, 2019 22:56:04 GMT -5
Speaking of romance, why does almost every dragon have to have on? Even Sunny will apparently be in a relationship if she ever meets that dragon Tui wants her to be with. I really don't want Sunny to be in a relationship tbh. I think she's happier not being in a relationship. I also personally headcanon her as being aroace, but that's just a tiny headcanon I had that doesn't really matter.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 23:11:46 GMT -5
yeah the fact that almost every main POV gets a romance kinda sucks, but I don't mind the majority of the relationships they get into. The one that bothers me the most is ripnami, its kinda lame that she got with the first male seawing that she meets, and the fact that he was secretly a spy for the Talons of Peace (which she hated, and for good reason) just makes me dislike the ship even more. I also thought Turtlejou kind of came out of nowhere, but I'm glad they're going slow while Kink sorts out her feelings. I kinda hope they just end up being friends.
as for Sunny, as long as this 'other dragon' is a good fit for her then I wouldn't mind! I wonder who it is.
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Post by kinkajou on Feb 16, 2019 23:43:28 GMT -5
The only dragon I ever shipped with Sunny is Smolder tbh. Even though he's...kinda old. I don't really ship them that much though
I can honestly see Sunny as ace/aro cause she loves everyone the same tbh
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Post by VIXENCLAW on Feb 17, 2019 1:13:22 GMT -5
I love WoF wayyy more then Warriors. The characters and storylines are just so amazing, and I personally didn’t find DoD bad at all, I rather liked it. Plus, this new series is really, really, good. I absolutely love it.
I think my favorite characters are Peril, Sunny, and Kinkajou. One of the best parts about this book series is all of the characters seem lovable, even a lot of the really minor ones. I really like Lady Scarab and Lady Jewel, along with all of Clay’s family and Katydid. Meanwhile, I can’t think of very many characters from Warriors that I love as much as the WoF characters because a lot of the Warriors characters have just become very poorly written and stripped from their lovable personalities. I love how consistent Tui is with her characters. Having LGBT characters is also a huge win for me, I just love it.
Another thing I really like is how Tui tries to keep the plots of all the series different and as interesting as possible. Just having her say she isn’t going to having any/as much of animus magic in the next book because she doesn’t want it to become too repetitive makes me really happy. I actually like the magic, but this just shows how aware Tui is about what people might want and is trying to keep things from becoming overused and annoying. It’s really awesome to see compared to Warriors, which has way overused the forbidden loves and med cats falling in love thing.
Warriors will always have a soft spot in my heart, but there’s just no denying that WoF is better. I really hope Warriors will step up with this new series, which looks super promising, but we’ll just have to wait and see though. I don’t think they’ll ever be able to beat WoF though, since WoF also just seems to be getting better and better.
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Post by Protractor on Feb 17, 2019 15:39:15 GMT -5
Bruh I LOVED Sunny! I liked how under her usually happy exterior we saw a much more complex character the moment we got her PoV. (Plus it's really cool how she pretty much helped end the war mostly by herself) I also really liked Starflight. I can relate to an anxious nerdy character like him. And Moonwatcher in her book I could relate to a lot too, being an introvert and all, her reading others minds added an interesting touch to her PoV too. I liked Sunny even before her POV. I just like happy characters! Happy, complex characters, in my experience, tend to be harder to write about, so I appreciate that about Sunny. Yeah, Starflight is definitely relatable. It's a shame he became blind, but at least he has Fatespeaker! Wait,WHAT?I have a feeling he's blinded when the volcano erupts or while he's with the Nightwings so I mean...
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Post by Pixie on Feb 17, 2019 15:45:02 GMT -5
I liked Sunny even before her POV. I just like happy characters! Happy, complex characters, in my experience, tend to be harder to write about, so I appreciate that about Sunny. Yeah, Starflight is definitely relatable. It's a shame he became blind, but at least he has Fatespeaker! Wait,WHAT?I have a feeling he's blinded when the volcano erupts or while he's with the Nightwings so I mean... Oops! My bad. That was an unintentional spoiler. He can totally see. What are you talking about? (;
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Post by Protractor on Feb 17, 2019 20:55:45 GMT -5
Wait,WHAT?I have a feeling he's blinded when the volcano erupts or while he's with the Nightwings so I mean... Oops! My bad. That was an unintentional spoiler. He can totally see. What are you talking about? (; Sori,wiki's talk
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Post by Thrushmoon on Feb 18, 2019 19:15:53 GMT -5
As much as I do love Warriors, WoF certainly has more appeal and better storytelling. Darkstalker is a SUCH a good character because he has moments of humanity in him, and I feel like a lot of Warriors villains don’t have that which would make them more interesting to read about imo.
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Post by Hawkflower on Feb 18, 2019 22:15:45 GMT -5
I haven’t read WoF, but considering that this forum is Warriors based, the fact that WoF is winning is pretty funny. Warriors is the only children’s lit I read but maybe I’ll look into WoF if it’s that good.
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Post by VIXENCLAW on Feb 18, 2019 22:56:14 GMT -5
I haven’t read WoF, but considering that this forum is Warriors based, the fact that WoF is winning is pretty funny. Warriors is the only children’s lit I read but maybe I’ll look into WoF if it’s that good. You should definitely look into it, it’s really good.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 23:08:15 GMT -5
there are free pdfs/epubs out there if you need it. of course, it's always best to support the author but if you just want to see if you'd be interested in it without having to drop 15 bucks, i think its ok
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Post by mymerlincat on Feb 19, 2019 18:30:21 GMT -5
Warriors is my favorite book series of all time so that
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 19:37:56 GMT -5
Okay when it comes to books, WoF is good based of the writing, consistency and world building. Not yo mention how there are actual LGBT characters in the series. With that said my experience with the community has been less than stellar. The people in the Warriors fandom has its problems, but it's not as bad/toxic as the WoF fandom can be. Because of this, I've lost some enjoyment of the books. Of course not everyone's like that, however I don't like the books as much as I use to. Honestly the WOF community scares me. Aren't all fandoms of entertainment franchises toxic? It seems like every type of entertainment franchise imaginable has a petty and toxic fanbase.
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Post by scint on Feb 19, 2019 19:48:38 GMT -5
Honestly the WOF community scares me. Aren't all fandoms of entertainment franchises toxic? It seems like every type of entertainment franchise imaginable has a petty and toxic fanbase. Not really. It's usually certain areas where a fanbase is that would be considered toxic. The WOF community in general is quite toxic, but there's very few good places to have a civil conversation with someone else who's a fan of WOF. I'm in the Miitopia fandom and I haven't seen anything toxic so far. (But then again, it is pretty small even on the biggest community of it which is on Tumblr- but even then I haven't seen anything toxic at all there yet.)
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Post by Thunderheart57 on Feb 19, 2019 20:33:56 GMT -5
I think Darkstalker is one of the most likable villains I have read in any book or book series. He’s well established as well. With Warriors, it seems that the Erin’s are not devoting enough time to craft villains that are memorable or had a significant impact on the world. The only villains I can think of are Tigerstsr the first and Darktail, the rest were extremely minor, or came out of nowhere. I can’t deny that Wings of Fire has its problems too, mainly with the way the Darkstalker resolution was controversial. Overall, it is writtten better than Warriors currently is at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 21:50:31 GMT -5
Aren't all fandoms of entertainment franchises toxic? It seems like every type of entertainment franchise imaginable has a petty and toxic fanbase. Not really. It's usually certain areas where a fanbase is that would be considered toxic. The WOF community in general is quite toxic, but there's very few good places to have a civil conversation with someone else who's a fan of WOF. I'm in the Miitopia fandom and I haven't seen anything toxic so far. (But then again, it is pretty small even on the biggest community of it which is on Tumblr- but even then I haven't seen anything toxic at all there yet.) I have seen and heard of my fair share of horror stories from toxic, petty, and entitled fanbases. For example, the Steven Universe fanartist that was nearly bullied into suicide because the artist drew Rose Quartz skinny. Or the Voltron voice actors getting death threats from angry fans because the show didn't go with their ships. Lets not even get started with the Star Wars fandom. After so many stories like that, it just gives me the cynical, yet not entirely accurate impression, that fandoms in general are malicious and self destructive beasts.
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