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Post by Hyenafang on Feb 12, 2019 22:22:12 GMT -5
Drawing human like hair on the cats head in a big tuft. Sorry but it really annoys me.
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Post by Seven on Feb 12, 2019 23:54:17 GMT -5
Artists who make cats have completely unrecognizable designs. I understand artistic freedom, but if you make bluestar dark brown and expect me to know it's her??
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Post by mimikyutie on Feb 13, 2019 10:41:39 GMT -5
Flower crowns.
Not sure why, but they just bug me.
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Post by Papillon on Feb 13, 2019 21:13:42 GMT -5
Not the animation or art really but I can't stand when people use a song for a warriors map or pmv just because they like it. Like those Hamilton maps. Almost none of those songs fit anything relating to Warriors. And I love Hamilton so it's nothing against that, it just really makes no sense to me. It's like they're pulling random characters and songs out of a hat The only maps I've found to actually fit into characters are Always Gold, If I Believe You, and Ready As I'll Ever Be.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 13, 2019 21:20:18 GMT -5
Not the animation or art really but I can't stand when people use a song for a warriors map or pmv just because they like it. Like those Hamilton maps. Almost none of those songs fit anything relating to Warriors. And I love Hamilton so it's nothing against that, it just really makes no sense to me. It's like they're pulling random characters and songs out of a hat The only maps I've found to actually fit into characters are Always Gold, If I Believe You, and Ready As I'll Ever Be. Same goes for Take A Hint, though at least the creator has said that they only used it because of the music rather than the lyrics.
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Post by SuperStarlite on Feb 13, 2019 21:45:09 GMT -5
Not the animation or art really but I can't stand when people use a song for a warriors map or pmv just because they like it. Like those Hamilton maps. Almost none of those songs fit anything relating to Warriors. And I love Hamilton so it's nothing against that, it just really makes no sense to me. It's like they're pulling random characters and songs out of a hat The only maps I've found to actually fit into characters are Always Gold, If I Believe You, and Ready As I'll Ever Be. How about Blame? I thought it worked rather well.
There was a Hollyleaf All The Kings Horses MAP that was never finished, but the song was a perfect fit I think.
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Post by embertuft on Feb 14, 2019 2:53:53 GMT -5
When Darktail is drawn as a Siamese in the MAPS and stuff. In the unravel MAP, I couldn’t recognise him at all.
When people make the characters completely different and don’t actually say who they are. Like how am I supposed to know that the calico cat was Hollyleaf?
Hollyleaf being a calico- just no.
I like the flower crowns sometimes- but it just annoys me a little bit. Like I’m fine with it in the King Brackenfur MAP cause that was good.
When people draw cats- and they just don’t look like cats- where it’s sort of like Lionblaze looks more like a lion. I get why- but these are CATS- not lions or cats with massive front legs for unnecessary reasons.
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Post by halogen on Feb 14, 2019 20:11:29 GMT -5
When Darktail is drawn as a Siamese in the MAPS and stuff. In the unravel MAP, I couldn’t recognise him at all.
Regardless of the Siamese thing, I did think the unravel MAP was a good example of having a song that actually fit.
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Post by Brindlefern on Feb 14, 2019 20:16:25 GMT -5
When Darktail is drawn as a Siamese in the MAPS and stuff. In the unravel MAP, I couldn’t recognise him at all. Also in "My Way". The Map was awesome but I couldn't recognize Darktail as a pointed cat at all. The siamese look honestly always fit more for Blackstar (Because of Blackstar's black paws being fitting to have him be a pointed cat) than Darktail because... when I read Darktail's description for the first time, my mind immediately jumped to a black Turkish Van, NOT Siamese. It just doesn't work for him tbh>.>
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 14, 2019 20:21:49 GMT -5
I feel like people are sometimes a little unoriginal with Dark Forest designs. Nowadays it's just "them but with red eyes and maybe their old wounds". It'd be nice to see something different for once with them. Maybe they have parts of themselves looking ethereal and misty like smoke, maybe they've become almost part of the Dark Forest and you've got brambles and stuff wrapped around them like chains. Heck, maybe make them glow green like the molds in the Dark Forest, anything original would be appreciated.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Feb 14, 2019 20:29:48 GMT -5
I don't mind song picks as long as it makes sense. There were some really good maps with clear understanding of what was going on and some that didn't hit the mark either due to the poor design of the map or poor song choice. "King Again" with Brackenfur was a good map design and song choice, it mixed in well. However, "Non-Stop" with the same host didn't work out due to both the design and song choice. It was black and white and the narrative was hard to follow, and it's a song that has a lot of different things going on, so making it black and white did not do it justice as it would have if it was colored to give us an idea of who is doing what.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 14, 2019 20:38:35 GMT -5
I agree with the odd song choices. I remember one with Goldenflower and the song Burn was used, even though it didn't really fit at all unless you count both females reacting to their partners' betrayals. And even then, the circumstances are completely different: Tigerclaw tried to murder Bluestar and killed Redtail, whereas Hamilton cheated on Eliza and released a pamphlet about it.
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 14, 2019 21:06:57 GMT -5
I don't mind song picks as long as it makes sense. There were some really good maps with clear understanding of what was going on and some that didn't hit the mark either due to the poor design of the map or poor song choice. "King Again" with Brackenfur was a good map design and song choice, it mixed in well. However, "Non-Stop" with the same host didn't work out due to both the design and song choice. It was black and white and the narrative was hard to follow, and it's a song that has a lot of different things going on, so making it black and white did not do it justice as it would have if it was colored to give us an idea of who is doing what. It was hard to identify who was who in Non-Stop thanks to the pallette but I think it fits thematically perfectly. This idea of someone rising to the top while their former friend languishes in their shadow and grows more and more bitter about it fits perfectly with Onestar and I've never seen any other MAP exploring Onestar's growing jealousy from the angle that he sees how awesome Firestar is and resents that he can never compare. The specific details may not line up, but thematically it fits well. Firestar being kind of a naive trailblazer also fits it.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Feb 14, 2019 21:17:57 GMT -5
I don't mind song picks as long as it makes sense. There were some really good maps with clear understanding of what was going on and some that didn't hit the mark either due to the poor design of the map or poor song choice. "King Again" with Brackenfur was a good map design and song choice, it mixed in well. However, "Non-Stop" with the same host didn't work out due to both the design and song choice. It was black and white and the narrative was hard to follow, and it's a song that has a lot of different things going on, so making it black and white did not do it justice as it would have if it was colored to give us an idea of who is doing what. It was hard to identify who was who in Non-Stop thanks to the pallette but I think it fits thematically perfectly. This idea of someone rising to the top while their former friend languishes in their shadow and grows more and more bitter about it fits perfectly with Onestar and I've never seen any other MAP exploring Onestar's growing jealousy from the angle that he sees how awesome Firestar is and resents that he can never compare. The specific details may not line up, but thematically it fits well. Firestar being kind of a naive trailblazer also fits it. Hmm, you are right there, it is a good comparison, but I still don't think it fits because there's random bits here and there. It could also be that because it was hard to identify, it also made the intention and understanding difficult. I watched it twice to make sure I wasn't just deeming it bad. I mean, overall it's not horrible, but I've seen better ways of songs being used in a conflicted manner like that.
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 14, 2019 21:36:25 GMT -5
It was hard to identify who was who in Non-Stop thanks to the pallette but I think it fits thematically perfectly. This idea of someone rising to the top while their former friend languishes in their shadow and grows more and more bitter about it fits perfectly with Onestar and I've never seen any other MAP exploring Onestar's growing jealousy from the angle that he sees how awesome Firestar is and resents that he can never compare. The specific details may not line up, but thematically it fits well. Firestar being kind of a naive trailblazer also fits it. Hmm, you are right there, it is a good comparison, but I still don't think it fits because there's random bits here and there. It could also be that because it was hard to identify, it also made the intention and understanding difficult. I watched it twice to make sure I wasn't just deeming it bad. I mean, overall it's not horrible, but I've seen better ways of songs being used in a conflicted manner like that. Random bits how? I agree that the cut aways to the girls were a little off, especially since the characters seemed inconsistent there, but those are there for only a few lines. Majority focuses on Onestar and Firestar's relationship and so long as one understands that then the whole tone and imagery fits well. The pallette is probably the biggest problem.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Feb 15, 2019 0:54:11 GMT -5
I actually think a lot of the Hamilton songs could have worked out better, but I don't think most of them were well thought through other than Wait for It and Non-Stop
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 1:21:10 GMT -5
I really hate when people draw stars on leaders.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 7:18:57 GMT -5
my main complaint is when people make maps using songs that just don't really match the story at all. The Firestar v Scourge plagues map is just one example, like there are a few things here and there that fit but the lyrics... like
"once i called you brother once i thought the chance to make you laugh was all i ever wanted" hello??? for firestar and scourge?? um
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 15, 2019 7:54:30 GMT -5
my main complaint is when people make maps using songs that just don't really match the story at all. The Firestar v Scourge plagues map is just one example, like there are a few things here and there that fit but the lyrics... like "once i called you brother once i thought the chance to make you laugh was all i ever wanted" hello??? for firestar and scourge?? um Yeah, there’s no love lost between them. Makes zero sense to have a song about fighting your brother with them.
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Post by Brindlefern on Feb 15, 2019 10:35:14 GMT -5
my main complaint is when people make maps using songs that just don't really match the story at all. The Firestar v Scourge plagues map is just one example, like there are a few things here and there that fit but the lyrics... like "once i called you brother once i thought the chance to make you laugh was all i ever wanted" hello??? for firestar and scourge?? um I was never fond of the host of that MAP for... reasons I won't get into here, but their MAPS also always had weird song choices that... didn't even fit the animation/story of them. "Take a Hint" is an example of theirs, the lyrics not fitting Sleekwhisker at all, alongside Willow which when I looked up the lyrics reads something entirely different (Even though I haven't been able to entirely decipher the meaning of it, I've been working on that ever since I heard of the song because it IS lovely) to what their Night/Feather Map's story is and thus doesn't really fit. (We do not speak of the "Loved" one they did, ya know, the one that demonizes Bramblestar, one of the few decent dads we've had in canon (Yes he's had issues with the Three but regards? He's fine. Nor does he favor Spark over Alder, but rather loves them both equally. This is HC but a FACT.), as an OOC very horrible abusive dad to Alderheart even though there's literally nothing in the books to prove it and was just done ONLY because they do not like him and for some reason GENUINELY believe Bramble would lie and doesn't care at all about his son (Ya know, despite the fact that, hecc, in TRS, he even defended him from his douchebag cousin and was clearly shown to be worried about Alder going to Shadowclan temporarily, but I guess that doesn't matter to them!). SCREW THAT ONE.)In regards to Plagues, for all I know that fits more for Bramble and Hawk than Firestar and Scourge because shit man Firestar and Scourge didn't even KNOW they were half-brothers. Compared to Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw who had an actual bond at first. Like… Scourge turned away his littermates.. You think he cares(d) at all about Firestar nevermind didn’t even KNOW him?(Literally the only thing I like is that is got Firestar's death right for fricking ONCE IN MY LIFE but it's soured by a bad song choice and done by a big-name very influential person in the fandom that I'm not even fond of. :///)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 10:49:22 GMT -5
A petpeeve of mine is when people draw Dovewing acting snotty and full of herself in animations. Rarely do any people draw her accurately in Ivy/Dove AMVs. It's usually just poor little Ivypool being sad while Dovewing "ignores" her. I've only seen one person drawing both of them accurately, EpikBecky and the person who animated "Ivypool - BLUE" because from what I've seen they're accurate with their animations on these cats, with Dovewing worrying about her sister and Ivypool angry with her. And I'm talking about OotS, not the recent books.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 15, 2019 10:54:52 GMT -5
my main complaint is when people make maps using songs that just don't really match the story at all. The Firestar v Scourge plagues map is just one example, like there are a few things here and there that fit but the lyrics... like "once i called you brother once i thought the chance to make you laugh was all i ever wanted" hello??? for firestar and scourge?? um I was never fond of the host of that MAP for... reasons I won't get into here, but their MAPS also always had weird song choices that... didn't even fit the animation/story of them. "Take a Hint" is an example of theirs, alongside Willow which when I looked up the lyrics reads something entirely different (Even though I haven't been able to entirely decipher the meaning of it, I've been working on that ever since I heard of the song because it IS lovely) to what their Night/Feather Map's story is and thus doesn't really fit. In regards to Plagues, for all I know that fits more for Bramble and Hawk than Firestar and Scourge because shit man Firestar and Scourge didn't even KNOW they were half-brothers. Compared to Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw who had an actual bond at first. Like… Scourge turned away his littermates.. You think he cares(d) at all about Firestar nevermind didn’t even KNOW him?(literally the only thing I like is that is got Firestar's death right for fricking ONCE IN MY LIFE but it's soured by a bad song choice and done by a big-name very influential person in the fandom that I'm not fond of. :///) (We do not speak of the "Loved" one they did, ya know, the one that demonizes Bramblestar as a horrible abusive dad to Alderheart even though there's literally nothing in the books to prove it. SCREW THAT ONE)Like with Take A Hint, I think the creator is just looking at it from an instrumental side rather than lyrical. Not to mention that one Alderheart animation is supposed to be part of an AU, but yeah, I agree that it is pretty ridiculous. It makes me wish that AVoS had shown more father-son moments between the two. The same seems to be for Willow, but I agree that there needs to be better song choices. At least the latter has a pretty song attached to it. As for Plagues, that song fits much better for Gray Wing and Clear Sky anyway, imo. These two actually grew up together and were each other's best friend, much like Moses and Ramses, until circumstances forced them to be on opposing sides for many moons. "God" in this case would be the Moor cats trying to convince Gray Wing that Clear Sky is no longer the brother he thought he knew. It's perfect! And I know there's at least one MAP about it, but I wish more animators would take advantage of this.
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Post by Brindlefern on Feb 15, 2019 11:03:47 GMT -5
As for Plagues, that song fits much better for Gray Wing and Clear Sky anyway, imo. These two actually grew up together and were each other's best friend, much like Moses and Ramses, until circumstances forced them to be on opposing sides for many moons. "God" in this case would be the Moor cats trying to convince Gray Wing that Clear Sky is no longer the brother he thought he knew. It's perfect! And I know there's at least one MAP about it, but I wish more animators would take advantage of this. Oh yeah, I guess the song would fit Gray Wing and Clear Sky a lot better, now that I think about it. It would be nice to see them used in an animation with the song, but I gotta admit there's not much utilization of the DoTC characters to begin with aside from two I know ("Always Gold" and "Kids Again"). But just wishful thinking.
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Post by embertuft on Feb 15, 2019 11:25:30 GMT -5
I hate it when people just pick random songs for cats in MAPS and just use that. As lovely as they are, some just don’t fit at all.
Like the Alderheart King MAP- as pretty as it is, IMO that song is for Brackenfur and not Alderheart.
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Post by wolfcry32 on Feb 15, 2019 15:17:57 GMT -5
Cats drawn with feathers/leaves/flowers behind their ears just because it has something to do with their name. Sometimes they aren’t even really behind the ear, just stuck on the back of their head awkwardly.
It can be cute, but it’s kind of over done st this point.
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Post by ❤ Ivory ❤ on Feb 15, 2019 16:18:02 GMT -5
Really? I love, love, love emo hair on Warriors But maybe that's because I'm a die hard furry emo sparkledog lover, too. I really enjoy unusual or unnatural colors on cats, like the star Firestar is often depicted with having on his forehead, purple or rainbow eyes, and little colored markings anywhere. I also enjoy 'moon' used in a cats name or any other names that would otherwise be considered 'nontraditional'. I really like the creative freedom of all of it!
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Post by embertuft on Feb 15, 2019 16:24:37 GMT -5
Cats drawn with feathers/leaves/flowers behind their ears just because it has something to do with their name. Sometimes they aren’t even really behind the ear, just stuck on the back of their head awkwardly. It can be cute, but it’s kind of over done st this point. I agree with this. Like I’m fine with Hollyleaf having a little bit of holly, or Jayfeather having the feathers. Ive noticed in a load of MAPS that the designs are sometimes just so.. eh. For the fact that I believe that Lionblaze, does not look like a real lion. What annoys me is that in the MAPS all the body shapes are just so weird sometimes. Like a little size difference and body variation is fine, but take example The Ready as I’ll Ever Be MAP. Was it really necessary for Lionblaze to be an ACTUAL FLIPPING LION? Sometimes the flower crowns in the MAPS are sweet, but if every single cat is wearing some sort of charm, it gets a bit silly.
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Post by wolfcry32 on Feb 15, 2019 17:20:47 GMT -5
Really? I love, love, love emo hair on Warriors But maybe that's because I'm a die hard furry emo sparkledog lover, too. I really enjoy unusual or unnatural colors on cats, like the star Firestar is often depicted with having on his forehead, purple or rainbow eyes, and little colored markings anywhere. I also enjoy 'moon' used in a cats name or any other names that would otherwise be considered 'nontraditional'. I really like the creative freedom of all of it! I’m all for an exaggerated tuft of hair (I do this myself) but sometimes it gets a little out of hand for my tastes.
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Post by ❤ Ivory ❤ on Feb 15, 2019 17:23:09 GMT -5
Really? I love, love, love emo hair on Warriors But maybe that's because I'm a die hard furry emo sparkledog lover, too. I really enjoy unusual or unnatural colors on cats, like the star Firestar is often depicted with having on his forehead, purple or rainbow eyes, and little colored markings anywhere. I also enjoy 'moon' used in a cats name or any other names that would otherwise be considered 'nontraditional'. I really like the creative freedom of all of it! I’m all for an exaggerated tuft of hair (I do this myself) but sometimes it gets a little out of hand for my tastes. One of my favorite MAPs of all time is Mama We All Go To Hell, I'm just in love with Hollyleaf's desgin!
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