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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 12, 2019 8:25:53 GMT -5
I appreciate how productive this fandom is and how awesome a lot of the fanart and animation is. That all being said, there are a few consistent trends that sort of annoy me. 1. Slashing with the back end of the claws. I see this a lot, and it just kind of takes me out of it when I see it. These are a cat's claws, and if you notice, they are only sharp on the inside of the claw. The back side isn't sharp at all. Yet, you very often see stuff like backhanded slashes showing up and somehow drawing blood or even killing. 2. Too many deaths by throat slashing. Okay, this one's sort of a problem of the books too, but even so, you've got plenty of deaths by bite in the books as well and it sort of bothers me that a good number of these deaths are generally just painted as a slash of the claws over the throat rather than a proper bite. I assume the reason is because it's easier to draw/animate a quick slash rather than biting into the neck and choking/breaking the neck. Still, it'd be nice to see some more bites.
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Post by finland on Feb 12, 2019 9:33:49 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 9:35:35 GMT -5
Making rather more complicated scenes look extremely in the favor of “side” of the argument/situation- but like, to the extreme almost fanfic-like. I mean don’t get me wrong I get these artists and animators have valid opinions and more than likely their perception of characters will spill into how they draw them, which is fine- but it bothers me when it gets to such an extreme that it looks nothing like what’s actually true anymore and warps them into something they’re not-or even creating scenes that don’t even exist just to fit their view of a situation. Like drawings of friendly and innicent-looking Mapleshade sobbing with all her foes in the background depicted as the literal spawns of satan even though a couple who never actually showed any signs of hatred in the actual books. Or scenes where Squirrelflight is depicted as heartless, aloof, and almost cheating when she never acted that way- and sometimes even being in a real relationship and showing affection towards him.
Again I get that depicting characters in different ways is natural and fine, and it happens all the time, but when it gets to such extremes that aren’t even provable by canon anymore it gets irritating.
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Post by Kibui on Feb 12, 2019 9:53:32 GMT -5
I really don't like it when people draw Brightheart's scarred side in the shape of a flower/filled with petals
When I first saw this in a MAP I thought it was a unique idea but then people started doing it outside of those parts and I started to dislike it. I just think that it takes away part of what makes her Brightheart
Another thing I don't like are art/animations that are supposed to depict canon scenes but have the cats ooc in very extreme ways. I don't have a particular example but I don't like it for example when in animations the characters are too quick to start crying or are generally crying a lot. I don't mind so much the fact that they cry at all, but rather that it's often used too soon or as a cheap way of conveying emotions. Part 7 of the "Always Gold" MAP for example doesn't utilize tears at all and yet still I think it's a part that makes me feel pretty sad simply because animation, framing and song fit together so well
The last thing I don't like is when people draw Darktail with point markings. I don't have a reason for why I dislike it so much when I'm completely fine if people stray off the books' description for other cats. It's just this design in particular that bothers me for some reason
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 13:02:39 GMT -5
It bothers me when ppl draw Ashfur looking sad in fanart but realistically he's pissed at Squirrelflight.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 16:22:28 GMT -5
It bothers me when ppl draw Ashfur looking sad in fanart but realistically he's pissed at Squirrelflight. Or equally, during the fire scene, Squirrelflight often has drawn crying. But that couldn't be further from the truth. She's angrier then we've ever seen her.
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Post by Brindlefern on Feb 12, 2019 16:39:15 GMT -5
It bothers me when ppl draw Ashfur looking sad in fanart but realistically he's pissed at Squirrelflight. Or equally, during the fire scene, Squirrelflight often has drawn crying. But that couldn't be further from the truth. She's angrier then we've ever seen her. Agreed. Girl totally seemed as if she wanted so badly to deck Assfur to cat hell and back if she wasn't injured so bad and yet people had the ABSOLUTE AUDACITY to draw it off as some tragic romance thing and have her crying her eyes out. Bitch plz, if she was to be crying in the scene, it'd be because of the smoke in her eyes and nothing more. Other than that Squirrelflight was super fricking ANGRY.I'm glad that there have been art of the scene with her drawn the right way but this shouldn't have been misconceived in the first place... then again a LOT of things are read wrongly in these books and translated the wrong way when drawn.
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 12, 2019 16:42:22 GMT -5
I hate when Needletail is portrayed as some hero, or some “woe is me” character and Rowanstar is portrayed as some uncaring buffoon. Or when Sleekwhisker is romanticized?? Or when any murderer is romanticized??? Like, I’m all for artistic representation of how you saw the scene in the book, but Sleekwhisker is not some badass girl when she kills her own grandfather. She’s a gross murderer. Please portray it as such lol.
And any showing of characters so off design that I cannot tell who that character is, unless it’s supposed to be a crack/joke animation.
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 12, 2019 16:48:00 GMT -5
i'm all for artistic interpretation, and i like alternate designs, but.. brown tabby alderheart is the bane of my existence. i don't even know why it bothers me so much. i guess i just prefer him looking more like his mom? i'm also not a fan of brightheart's scar being this odd gaping hole on the side of her face Odd gaping hole? Could I have examples of that? I honestly don't know what you're referring to.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 17:02:21 GMT -5
Brokenstar's blind eyes being drawn as two separate vertical scratches down his face. However, when it a reality, it was a single horizontal swipe across both eyes. I don't exactly know why, but this common fan-mistake always makes Brokenstar for me - less intimating and even looks silly.
It's probably just the sheer impossibility of it. I mean, what position would Yellowfang have to be in, to give two vertical scratches at the same time? That already seems impractical for a fighting human. However, Yellowfang as a cat is a four-legged animal. Is she meant to perfectly balancing on her hind legs while she using her front paws in an unnatural way?
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Post by Amber on Feb 12, 2019 17:14:54 GMT -5
- When a design really deviates from the canon look. I'm not talking about tortie Hollyleaf, adding white on a solid colored cat or even red Brokenstar with his flat face and kinked tail. I'm talking about making Crookedstar a gray/cream tortoiseshell, having Bluestar be brown(not lilac, more like chocolate or a black tabby) or drawing Hawkfrost as red. There's nothing necessarily wrong drawing/coloring cats different from canon, especially because a majority of people will draw them as presented(for example Holly being solid black). However it's annoying and a bit bothersome when I see people deviating from designs completely to the point where you're shocked to find out who they are. I also can't help but think they're trying to be quirky, cool or unique to stand out from other designs. That's not what designing/creating looks for characters should be like. They can still be identifiable, but also have a unique look to them
- People who draw the characters genetically accurate and act all high and mighty about it. I've only seen a few people act like this, but it's so annoying. Honestly those people can be so pretentious I personally hate being associated with them. Like good for you, you like taking the time and effort to mess with genetics and create designs to show that. But do you really have to act like stylized/non-genetically accurate designs are the worst?
- On the flip side of my last point, people who hate genetic designs and feel the need to talk about how awful they are. It's fine to not want to draw characters genetically accurate. It's also fine to not like those type of designs. However can I please not hear that the way I draw the characters is stupid just because I draw them with genetic accuracy? It's honestly disheartening and not constructive in the slightest.
- MAPs where you don't understand the story. There was this well done Snowkit AU MAP I saw a while back. The art was nice and I remember liking the music with it, but for the life of me I couldn't follow the story. I had to read the description and a few comments to understand what was happening. Even then I still couldn't follow what was going on.
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Post by Cheetahstar on Feb 12, 2019 17:26:48 GMT -5
when brokenstar has like the 3 claw marks down each eye
that means yellowfang either slashed both eyes one after the other or just... slashed her paws downward instead of using one and slashign sideways
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 17:36:04 GMT -5
when brokenstar has like the 3 claw marks down each eye that means yellowfang either slashed both eyes one after the other or just... slashed her paws downward instead of using one and slashign sideways We should make that challenge for everyone on this thread - Lift both your arms into the air, hooksyour fingers like claws and vertically slash them down. Does it feel natural? Would you do that in a fight?
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Post by Kibui on Feb 12, 2019 18:21:28 GMT -5
Brokenstar's blind eyes being drawn as two separate vertical scratches down his face. However, when it a reality, it was a single horizontal swipe across both eyes. I don't exactly know why, but this common fan-mistake always makes Brokenstar for me - less intimating and even looks silly. It's probably just the sheer impossibility of it. I mean, what position would Yellowfang have to be in, to give two vertical scratches at the same time? That already seems impractical for a fighting human. However, Yellowfang as a cat is a four-legged animal. Is she meant to perfectly balancing on her hind legs while she using her front paws in an unnatural way? Tbf I can see how she could have reared up and slammed both her paws down, right over his eyes --- Oh something else that bothers me (but I'm luckily seeing not as often anymore) is when people draw slashes on Cinderpelt's broken leg. Because last time I checked, cars didn't have claws
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 12, 2019 18:29:25 GMT -5
Brokenstar's blind eyes being drawn as two separate vertical scratches down his face. However, when it a reality, it was a single horizontal swipe across both eyes. I don't exactly know why, but this common fan-mistake always makes Brokenstar for me - less intimating and even looks silly. It's probably just the sheer impossibility of it. I mean, what position would Yellowfang have to be in, to give two vertical scratches at the same time? That already seems impractical for a fighting human. However, Yellowfang as a cat is a four-legged animal. Is she meant to perfectly balancing on her hind legs while she using her front paws in an unnatural way? It is absolutely possible for a cat to leave vertical scratches, we have evidence of this in real life. Look at this lion, many of his wounds are vertical slashes. Heck, we flat out have lions with the vertical scratches over the eye A vertical scratch is absolutely a thing that happens, you can't claim realism on that. I can understand disliking it, but it is plenty realistic to have vertical scars from a blow coming in from above.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 18:38:26 GMT -5
Brokenstar's blind eyes being drawn as two separate vertical scratches down his face. However, when it a reality, it was a single horizontal swipe across both eyes. I don't exactly know why, but this common fan-mistake always makes Brokenstar for me - less intimating and even looks silly. It's probably just the sheer impossibility of it. I mean, what position would Yellowfang have to be in, to give two vertical scratches at the same time? That already seems impractical for a fighting human. However, Yellowfang as a cat is a four-legged animal. Is she meant to perfectly balancing on her hind legs while she using her front paws in an unnatural way? It is absolutely possible for a cat to leave vertical scratches, we have evidence of this in real life. Look at this lion, many of his wounds are vertical slashes. Heck, we flat out have lions with the vertical scratches over the eye A vertical scratch is absolutely a thing that happens, you can't claim realism on that. I can understand disliking it, but it is plenty realistic to have vertical scars from a blow coming in from above. Even still, Brokenstar's eyes scars are often depicted as perfectly/unnaturally verticle, not the angled/ragged scars on those lions. But also, both eyes have identical scars, despite being done by separate paws.
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Post by Viperstrike on Feb 12, 2019 18:39:04 GMT -5
This isn't really a complaint, but I don't understand why some Ashfur fanart draws him with a blonde wig? I've seen art like this going back ten+ years so I don't think it's just a Moonkitti thing. I don't get it. Where does this come from? Is it supposed to be a reference to something else or do people just think it's supposed to be mocking him or something?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 18:43:30 GMT -5
This isn't really a complaint, but I don't understand why some Ashfur fanart draws him with a blonde wig? I've seen art like this going back ten+ years so I don't think it's just a Moonkitti thing. I don't get it. Where does this come from? Is it supposed to be a reference to something else or do people just think it's supposed to be mocking him or something? It is actually a Moonkitti thing, she originally created it in her Ashfur 16 video. Due to her popularity, other fans started copying it so much, the original source became unknown to many people. And yes, it's definitely to mock him. I'd would dumbstruck if someone actually managed to make a serious character that's a normal cat, but only with blond hair.
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Post by Brindlefern on Feb 12, 2019 18:50:47 GMT -5
To add to Kibui's point on the opposite end about Cinderpelt's leg, because the opposite end is JUST as bad, they always draw her legs as if all the fur is ripped off and scarred hugely. Forgive me for ranting on this one.
I'm sorry but I don't recall car tires having razors. Even THAT isn't a more real way to draw a broken leg on a cat. I get that folks do it to make her disability more noticeable and sometimes rag on those that don’t (COUGHTumblrCOUGH)but… I feel like folks forget that fur can grow back. If she had lost fur from the car somehow it can still grow back. Any scarring she would have gained would have her growing white fur on her leg because when hair grows back over a scar, it can no longer produce melanin, which means her leg fur would be white streaked!
And even then, I’ve seen cats (AND Dogs) from car impacts still have their fur on their broken legs after they’ve been hit. So her injury looking “minimal” on the outside shouldn’t mean anything.
I actually legit don't get where the whole 'hairless leg after impact'' trend started, but it's honestly weird considering those I've seen hit by cars don't lose their fur unless they've been dragging it around a lot later. I know a guy who's dog was hit by a car and had a an unusable forepaw after the impact but he only lost his fur on the paw from dragging it so much, he never lost his fur from the impact itself because that's not how it works. I never liked the ''fully fur-less leg'' thing so I mostly avoid it outside scarring. And if I was to draw her with fur over her scars I'd make the fur white as that's a thing that happens with cats that have had scars anywhere other than the face, if she had face scars THOSE be more notable.
But in regards to her leg, it just ends up looking... fetishistic... when people make them as largely scarred and as grotesque as possible. You can make a disability noticeable without doing it so extreme and that's why it bothers me so much when people try to get on those for making her injury minimal on the outside (Not every disability is so easily visible) while they're over there having her leg looking all overly banged up and grotesque on their end.
The same can be said for Crookedstar. Stop getting on folks that don't draw him looking like he had his face smashed in and then some, a lot of people they go after for not doing so are young artists and those that harrass those that don't are all "Either you draw him THE RIGHT WAY (A.k.a THEIR way and only their way) or don't draw him at all" amd I'M JUST LIKE???? Piss off and don't tell people what they can and can't draw just because it's not up to YOUR STANDARDS??? It's just fanart, how people draw a character's disability is not that serious and people should STOP being so serious about it unless they're actually trying to erase it.
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Post by kells on Feb 12, 2019 18:52:32 GMT -5
- The iconic three, perfectly aligned, thick-ass claw scratches that look copy-pasted
- Ear nicks that look like pizza slices more than anything
- Brown Alderheart
- The curly-tailed, curly-haired Squirrelflight with freckles design
- Finchwing, Riverspirit, Nifty-senpai and Spottedfire wannabes
- Cats licking blood off their paws
- People who excessively freak out when they see same-face syndrome, usage of black colors... etc, etc
- Excessive tweening and excessive "bouncy"/"bouncing in place" animation style
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 12, 2019 18:55:47 GMT -5
- The iconic three, perfectly aligned, thick-ass claw scratches that look copy-pasted - Ear nicks that look like pizza slices more than anything - Brown Alderheart - The curly-tailed, curly-haired Squirrelflight with freckles design - Finchwing, Riverspirit, Nifty-senpai and Spottedfire wannabes - Cats licking blood off their paws - People who excessively freak out when they see same-face syndrome, usage of black colors... etc, etc - Excessive tweening and excessive "bouncy"/"bouncing in place" animation style What do you mean by wannabes? Also, what's bouncy?
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Post by Brindlefern on Feb 12, 2019 18:58:24 GMT -5
- The curly-tailed, curly-haired Squirrelflight with freckles design Don't call me out like this man.
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Post by Brindlefern on Feb 12, 2019 19:02:01 GMT -5
OH YEAH and bringing back the classic "Drawing Firestar's first death wrong" thing again while I'm going off here. Because no I will never ever shut up about it as long as people keep messing that up. This includes the reference art I see of him drawn with a neck scar and people saying it's from Scourge.
The ONLY neck scar he's gotten in canon was from the fox trap GET IT RIGHT.
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Post by kells on Feb 12, 2019 19:02:13 GMT -5
- The iconic three, perfectly aligned, thick-ass claw scratches that look copy-pasted - Ear nicks that look like pizza slices more than anything - Brown Alderheart - The curly-tailed, curly-haired Squirrelflight with freckles design - Finchwing, Riverspirit, Nifty-senpai and Spottedfire wannabes - Cats licking blood off their paws - People who excessively freak out when they see same-face syndrome, usage of black colors... etc, etc - Excessive tweening and excessive "bouncy"/"bouncing in place" animation style What do you mean by wannabes? Also, what's bouncy? People who intentionally attempt to mimic the art style As for the bouncy animation thing... It's pretty hard to describe, honestly. It's when the character is like running or something similar, they do it in this stiff bounce-like movement? Something like that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 19:06:18 GMT -5
Another Pet Peeve of mine is the excessive use of blood as if a cat's claws are like blades. Maybe the Books are guilty of this too, however, fan art often has cats covered head-to-toe in long bleeding scratches. As if this happens after every battle, yet expect us to believe that it's uncommon for warriors to die or blood loss/infection. It's overexaggerated and lessens the impact of gore.
Also, scatches are treated like the only type of injury. You'd be likely to get a single bite mark. Let alone: Shredded fur, Torn muscles (Maybe hard to draw admittedly but still), limping, brushing, eye squinting etc.
And in animation, many think the only way couples can bound is to act like kits, chasing each other and play games.
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 12, 2019 19:11:06 GMT -5
OH YEAH and bringing back the classic "Drawing Firestar's first death wrong" thing again while I'm going off here. Because no I will never ever shut up about it as long as people keep messing that up. This includes the art I see of him drawn with a neck scar and people saying it's from Scourge. The ONLY neck scar he's gotten in canon was from the fox trap GET IT RIGHT. This kind of goes back to everyone just loving throat slashes because they're easy to animate and draw the wounds for. Firestar's death has this most prominently(throat slash over brain splatter), but I've seen Tigerstar's death get it too(nah, Firestar was hanging onto his neck like a pitbull and throttled him), Scourge's death(again, Firestar was hanging on to his neck while Scourge writhed under him and explicitly only pulled back after he was dead), and Ashfur(it's important for Hollyleaf to throttle him to death, it makes it seem like she viewed him as just prey).
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Post by halogen on Feb 12, 2019 19:15:49 GMT -5
Anyone crying with tears (its biologically impossible for cats and the books are actually mostly good at avoiding this considering how badly the Erins mess up other things)
Any scene of deadly violence played like an action cartoon scene. It takes away from the intended seriousness and tragedy.
Overuse of cats singing the lyrics. Like it can work once in a while but seems silly when every lyric is being sung and takes away the ability to do interesting things with the video.
And the reverse, a silly/cute scene played when it doesn't fit the music. Cats being happy and nuzzling each other or doing silly pranks can work, but not to a very dramatic serious chorus.
Angel/demon wings.
Just a barrage of scenes of cats dying or various tragic thingswith no calmer/ non-violent scenes in between (this can be done well if the music and style really fits, but it usually isn't). This is the reason that people who have just watched the video think warriors is just a barrage of death and bad things and angst.
Spending like about an hour on some cat dying/their dead body. Particularly seems to come up when a cat is drowning.
The reverse of someone just collapsing over dead suddenly when they died more slowly in canon (Mapleshade, Mosskit, anyone who died of a sickness, Tigerstar due to his nine lives)
Overuse of cats standing still in an action scene
Jayfeather with pupil less eyes
Overly exaggerated scars on Cinderpelt/Longtail/etc (makes more sense with Brightheart given how extensive her wounds were though) that look like fresh wounds (compare to those scars on the lions that vectoring posted above, they are a lot less obvious and huge and bright red).
Trying to illustrate some sickness by a closeup of a cat coughing a lot.
"Edgy" images" like a cat alone in a black screen screaming or blood running from their eyes, things like that, especially when overused (they can rarely by okay at the right moment once in a video)
Run cycles that go on forever.
Jayfeather and Lionblaze completely standing still/being undynamic in the scene of Hollyleaf running into the tunnels.
Ashfur portrayed as just sad and not angry and murderous (I mean, he was sad, but it's way too sympathetic to him and inaccurate to cut the whole story and the most important parts of the story)
Lionheart and Lionblaze having actual lion-style manes of different color rather than just manlike fluff.
Lionblaze being drawn with comical proportions (like some mutant giant with an absurdly soft/round face) instead of just a large, somewhat powerful looking cat.
Close-up on a dead body of a beautiful she-cat in a way that seems like romanticizing it (Feathertail especially falls victim to this one), often with the dead body smiling and lots of blood
Feathertail's death being portrayed as just important because of Crowpaw being upset about it while skipping over the reactions of Stormfur or the other journeying cats or how she saved the tribe.
Stonefur having amber/yellow eyes (other eye color variations don't really bother me but this one does for some reason, maybe because he's like the only a gray cat with blue eyes who is male and a tough, morally upstanding warrior, while all the other gray cats with blue eyes get sterotyped as beautiful she-cats (tm), medicine cats, and/or balls of angst. Unless they are trying to cut down on blue eyes in general and did it to Mistystar and Bleustar too.
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 12, 2019 19:48:20 GMT -5
Overt focus on realistic styles is sometimes not so great. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating for random, barely anatomically correct paint smears or edgy anime cats(I don't mind the latter that much though, in moderation at least), but a few more abstract works would be nice. It's okay to have a distorted and grotesque looking creature if it furthers the scene.
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