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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 31, 2018 10:16:14 GMT -5
The sad part is that I knew the stoats were going to be another case of wasted potential, but a part of me still held onto hope anyway. And now that part is crushed.
Plus, cats have been known to kill stoats anyway. I'm not surprised they seem to be more of a nuisance in this book.
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Post by vectoring34 on Aug 31, 2018 10:36:25 GMT -5
On the contrary, I'd be annoyed if the stoats did kill any cat. Stoats are an absolute joke for cats to handle ![](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XU9Z-qhCFjY/S-7BJzFS4DI/AAAAAAAAEjE/u_Gsor_12DI/s1600/P1010247.JPG) ![](http://yathin.com/trips/us/5/pointreyes/cat_weasel.jpg) They may be able to kill rabbits, but rabbits are criminally dull witted and lack in any defense beyond kicking. That rats are dangerous to the cats has always struck me as being incredibly bizarre and not making much sense beyond the Rat Leader in Firestar's Quest(because he was clearly a special rat and out of the ordinary). People are overrating the ability of stoats. They're fearsome for their size, but that's not enough to face a cat head on.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 31, 2018 10:39:39 GMT -5
i imagine the stoats attacking like the demon rat horde in inuyasha. just a huge swarm easily over taking anything by covering them
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Post by Brindlefern on Aug 31, 2018 10:41:28 GMT -5
On the contrary, I'd be annoyed if the stoats did kill any cat. Stoats are an absolute joke for cats to handle ![](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XU9Z-qhCFjY/S-7BJzFS4DI/AAAAAAAAEjE/u_Gsor_12DI/s1600/P1010247.JPG) ![](http://yathin.com/trips/us/5/pointreyes/cat_weasel.jpg) They may be able to kill rabbits, but rabbits are criminally dull witted and lack in any defense beyond kicking. That rats are dangerous to the cats has always struck me as being incredibly bizarre and not making much sense beyond the Rat Leader in Firestar's Quest(because he was clearly a special rat and out of the ordinary). People are overrating the ability of stoats. They're fearsome for their size, but that's not enough to face a cat head on. Okay, sure... Then why coin stoats as a threat when they aren't even a threat? That's just lack of common sense imo.
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Post by vectoring34 on Aug 31, 2018 10:47:27 GMT -5
On the contrary, I'd be annoyed if the stoats did kill any cat. Stoats are an absolute joke for cats to handle ![](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XU9Z-qhCFjY/S-7BJzFS4DI/AAAAAAAAEjE/u_Gsor_12DI/s1600/P1010247.JPG) ![](http://yathin.com/trips/us/5/pointreyes/cat_weasel.jpg) They may be able to kill rabbits, but rabbits are criminally dull witted and lack in any defense beyond kicking. That rats are dangerous to the cats has always struck me as being incredibly bizarre and not making much sense beyond the Rat Leader in Firestar's Quest(because he was clearly a special rat and out of the ordinary). People are overrating the ability of stoats. They're fearsome for their size, but that's not enough to face a cat head on. Okay, sure... Then why coin stoats as a threat when they aren't even a threat? That's just lack of common sense imo. Infection from bites is a concern. The cats for whatever reason have clean mouths but every other animal described seems to have a horribly filthy mouth or claws that cause instant infection. That's the logical explanation but in truth it's probably just bad writing.
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Post by Mayflower on Aug 31, 2018 10:50:03 GMT -5
On the contrary, I'd be annoyed if the stoats did kill any cat. Stoats are an absolute joke for cats to handle ![](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XU9Z-qhCFjY/S-7BJzFS4DI/AAAAAAAAEjE/u_Gsor_12DI/s1600/P1010247.JPG) ![](http://yathin.com/trips/us/5/pointreyes/cat_weasel.jpg) They may be able to kill rabbits, but rabbits are criminally dull witted and lack in any defense beyond kicking. That rats are dangerous to the cats has always struck me as being incredibly bizarre and not making much sense beyond the Rat Leader in Firestar's Quest(because he was clearly a special rat and out of the ordinary). People are overrating the ability of stoats. They're fearsome for their size, but that's not enough to face a cat head on. The stoats were given as bad enough of a threat that they needed ThunderClan's help, so the editorial team wasn't really going off logic here, which makes it more annoying that nothing really happened. If you look up pictures (which I did on google by putting in "cat fighting fox" -- there's one of a fox with a white cat who's bigger, but another with a cat chasing a fox off on its own, so I mean, it varies), badgers and foxes aren't even that big compared to cats when faced with multiple cats on all fronts, but they're really dangerous in the books. However, these are animals that do damage in canon, so why not stoats that were so bad that they had to ask for help?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 31, 2018 10:55:32 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm less disappointed about the stoats not really doing much and actually more disappointed of the wasted opportunity in general. Stoats are certainly an unusual threat and of course WindClan would be able to take care of them, but when the blurb says things like, "Then an unusual threat strikes from within the heart of WindClan's own territory, putting the Clan in terrible danger." That sort of raises expectations.
But honestly, at some point, I just stopped expecting big things from the series, so I can't really say the book is ruined for me either. I'm disappointed at the outcome, but at least the book doesn't seem to be as bad as, say, YS. To me, at least.
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Post by Fernstep on Aug 31, 2018 11:05:52 GMT -5
My disappointment increases the more I see. - Onestar bringing up Tigerstar like that is just incredibly infuriating, even if I know it's Onestar and we're meant to hate him
- During that speech, Onestar says that "Tigerstar killed Firestar in the Dark Forest", so please excuse me while I go bang my head into a wall.
- Breezepelt says he "wasn't fighting against the Clans" during the Great Battle, which is a ****ing lie.
- Crowfeather says "Why on earth would she not?" to Breezepelt. Cats know the expression "Why on earth"???
I did find it very funny how Nightcloud says "Ready as I'll ever be" at one point, and while the chance of it being a deliberate reference is exceedingly low, I still love that it happened.
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Post by vectoring34 on Aug 31, 2018 11:22:12 GMT -5
On the contrary, I'd be annoyed if the stoats did kill any cat. Stoats are an absolute joke for cats to handle ![](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XU9Z-qhCFjY/S-7BJzFS4DI/AAAAAAAAEjE/u_Gsor_12DI/s1600/P1010247.JPG) ![](http://yathin.com/trips/us/5/pointreyes/cat_weasel.jpg) They may be able to kill rabbits, but rabbits are criminally dull witted and lack in any defense beyond kicking. That rats are dangerous to the cats has always struck me as being incredibly bizarre and not making much sense beyond the Rat Leader in Firestar's Quest(because he was clearly a special rat and out of the ordinary). People are overrating the ability of stoats. They're fearsome for their size, but that's not enough to face a cat head on. The stoats were given as bad enough of a threat that they needed ThunderClan's help, so the editorial team wasn't really going off logic here, which makes it more annoying that nothing really happened. If you look up pictures (which I did on google by putting in "cat fighting fox" -- there's one of a fox with a white cat who's bigger, but another with a cat chasing a fox off on its own, so I mean, it varies), badgers and foxes aren't even that big compared to cats when faced with multiple cats on all fronts, but they're really dangerous in the books. However, these are animals that do damage in canon, so why not stoats that were so bad that they had to ask for help? Feral cat males weigh between 3-6 kilos on average with females being 2-4 kilos. European male badgers seem to range around 9-10 kilos with females at around 8 kilos consistently. So yes, a badger is a huge issue when most male warriors weigh less than half their weight and female warriors can be as little as a fifth the weight of the bigger badgers. A badger is monstrous next to a cat. As far as foxes go, they are generally in the same size range as cats and to that end they're a pretty big problem because though the cat may win, it's no certain thing and being savaged by a fox is pretty bad for you. As well, a male fox against a female cat is pretty solidly in the fox's advantage given it being usually much larger. The reverse is true too, but we mostly see male foxes in the series. The only real aberration in that regard is the vixen in OOTS being big enough to lift Lionblaze clean off the ground with just her head, but beyond that bizarre oddity foxes generally aren't all that.
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Post by Mayflower on Aug 31, 2018 11:30:06 GMT -5
The stoats were given as bad enough of a threat that they needed ThunderClan's help, so the editorial team wasn't really going off logic here, which makes it more annoying that nothing really happened. If you look up pictures (which I did on google by putting in "cat fighting fox" -- there's one of a fox with a white cat who's bigger, but another with a cat chasing a fox off on its own, so I mean, it varies), badgers and foxes aren't even that big compared to cats when faced with multiple cats on all fronts, but they're really dangerous in the books. However, these are animals that do damage in canon, so why not stoats that were so bad that they had to ask for help? Feral cat males weigh between 3-6 kilos on average with females being 2-4 kilos. European male badgers seem to range around 9-10 kilos with females at around 8 kilos consistently. So yes, a badger is a huge issue when most male warriors weigh less than half their weight and female warriors can be as little as a fifth the weight of the bigger badgers. A badger is monstrous next to a cat. As far as foxes go, they are generally in the same size range as cats and to that end they're a pretty big problem because though the cat may win, it's no certain thing and being savaged by a fox is pretty bad for you. As well, a male fox against a female cat is pretty solidly in the fox's advantage given it being usually much larger. The reverse is true too, but we mostly see male foxes in the series. The only real aberration in that regard is the vixen in OOTS being big enough to lift Lionblaze clean off the ground with just her head, but beyond that bizarre oddity foxes generally aren't all that. Size-wise, that's how I was always going off it. But then the Erins created their own world, so honestly the way the threats look always bewildered me, which is why I wasn't going strictly off European badgers in those cases. From the sounds of things, they also have these stoats traveling in packs (? Or there's at least more than one), which also isn't normal at all, either. If there's swarms, they should be as bad as rat swarms, and that's why the damage could have been bad, and that's what the issue for me and others feel like. If they're gonna pitch it as a threat and make it sound like multiple ones that are bad enough to need several other cats to fight them off, then make it feel like an actual issue. It's the same problem that we had with Br'S, where it was pitched as a huge disaster, but wasn't really in the grand scheme.
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Post by vectoring34 on Aug 31, 2018 11:39:12 GMT -5
Feral cat males weigh between 3-6 kilos on average with females being 2-4 kilos. European male badgers seem to range around 9-10 kilos with females at around 8 kilos consistently. So yes, a badger is a huge issue when most male warriors weigh less than half their weight and female warriors can be as little as a fifth the weight of the bigger badgers. A badger is monstrous next to a cat. As far as foxes go, they are generally in the same size range as cats and to that end they're a pretty big problem because though the cat may win, it's no certain thing and being savaged by a fox is pretty bad for you. As well, a male fox against a female cat is pretty solidly in the fox's advantage given it being usually much larger. The reverse is true too, but we mostly see male foxes in the series. The only real aberration in that regard is the vixen in OOTS being big enough to lift Lionblaze clean off the ground with just her head, but beyond that bizarre oddity foxes generally aren't all that. Size-wise, that's how I was always going off it. But then the Erins created their own world, so honestly the way the threats look always bewildered me, which is why I wasn't going strictly off European badgers in those cases. From the sounds of things, they also have these stoats traveling in packs (? Or there's at least more than one), which also isn't normal at all, either. If there's swarms, they should be as bad as rat swarms, and that's why the damage could have been bad, and that's what the issue for me and others feel like. If they're gonna pitch it as a threat and make it sound like multiple ones that are bad enough to need several other cats to fight them off, then make it feel like an actual issue. It's the same problem that we had with Br'S, where it was pitched as a huge disaster, but wasn't really in the grand scheme. Well we know it's a European badger because of the way that the striping is described along the face with just a single black stripe. The dietary habits also seem to confirm that, with American badgers being much more active predators than the usually passive European badgers. I do agree though that a lot of the "threats" lately have been pitiful. It's just that a stoat swarm surely isn't going to be the thing to break the camel's back anymore than a murder of ravens would.
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 31, 2018 12:54:04 GMT -5
Confirmation that Heathertail is Onestar’s daughter (pretty much): Onestar broke off as his gaze fell on Heathertail, who was standing at the back of the group. “Heathertail, when I couldn’t find you after the battle, I thought the stoats had gotten you. How do you think I felt then?” At that, Heathertail jerked up her head. “I’m sorry,” she meowed. “But I HAD to go. I wanted to help.” “That’s very noble,” Onestar responded, sounding as if he “...” Yes, yes, yes! This was an on-off confirmation by Vicky for a long time and on my own personal list I still have Onestar listed as her father.
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 31, 2018 12:59:34 GMT -5
TC cats who fight in the stoat battle: Bramblestar, Squirrelflight, Mousewhisker, Rosepetal, Lionblaze, Cinderheart, Blossomfall, Thornclaw, and Birchfall Onestar looses a life. So no word on what happened to Crouchfoot, Weaselfur and Whiskernose?
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 31, 2018 13:01:19 GMT -5
Confirmation that Heathertail is Onestar’s daughter (pretty much): Onestar broke off as his gaze fell on Heathertail, who was standing at the back of the group. “Heathertail, when I couldn’t find you after the battle, I thought the stoats had gotten you. How do you think I felt then?” At that, Heathertail jerked up her head. “I’m sorry,” she meowed. “But I HAD to go. I wanted to help.” “That’s very noble,” Onestar responded, sounding as if he “...” Yes, yes, yes! This was an on-off confirmation by Vicky for a long time and on my own personal list I still have Onestar listed as her father. This makes me super happy then. I wanted Onestar to be her father for soooo long! Now all we need is either Emberfoot being her brother, or Hare and Kestrel being her brothers and I’ll be so satisfied.
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 31, 2018 13:04:27 GMT -5
Onestar is an idiot...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 13:06:23 GMT -5
I'm really disappointed in Breezepelt. I don't like him, never did, but I always felt he was an okay villain. People relate to his issues and understand them, but know very well that he's a bad guy who did things that are life threatening, and I felt that's what made him a good villain. Breezepelt even had a compassionate side, when I read in OotS I always viewed that as him trying to comfort his Clanmates about Antpelt, that he's still in the Dark Forest on their side. But... this? Babying Breezepelt and having everyone forgive him, despite betraying the code, his clan, and more importantly, himself?? I'm just so disappointed. It seems like he's trying hard to gain respect of his Clanmates (offering to go on the most dangerous tasks) because he knows he's at their mercy by now. I'm glad some cats still don't trust him, which makes this a little more realistic, but I hate the "redemption". I was hoping for him to just simply be a better father than Crowfeather, not suddenly be a pitiful sack of sorrow. Come on!
I'm just really disappointed at him, and no Nightcloud manga. But at least this book DOES prove that Crowfeather cares for his son.
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Post by Jaysnow on Aug 31, 2018 13:12:24 GMT -5
TC cats who fight in the stoat battle: Bramblestar, Squirrelflight, Mousewhisker, Rosepetal, Lionblaze, Cinderheart, Blossomfall, Thornclaw, and Birchfall Onestar looses a life. So no word on what happened on Crouchfoot, Weaselfur and Whiskernose? They don't die in this book.
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Post by Sundance on Aug 31, 2018 13:18:18 GMT -5
I don't see how those lines show that Onestar is Heathertail's father ... is it just me? :-P
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 31, 2018 13:19:26 GMT -5
Yes, yes, yes! This was an on-off confirmation by Vicky for a long time and on my own personal list I still have Onestar listed as her father. This makes me super happy then. I wanted Onestar to be her father for soooo long! Now all we need is either Emberfoot being her brother, or Hare and Kestrel being her brothers and I’ll be so satisfied. I'm a huge fan of Harestar and Kestrelflight being her littermates.
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Post by Jaysnow on Aug 31, 2018 13:19:38 GMT -5
I don't see how those lines show that Onestar is Heathertail's father ... is it just me? :-P It's not really confirmation, per say, but there are some strong hints of a father-daughter thing going on there.
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 31, 2018 13:20:11 GMT -5
Any word on who those kits in the last chapter are?
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Post by Jaysnow on Aug 31, 2018 13:21:00 GMT -5
Any word on who those kits in the last chapter are? I'll ask right now!
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Post by Jaysnow on Aug 31, 2018 13:24:39 GMT -5
Breezepelt's and Heathertail's.
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 31, 2018 13:26:36 GMT -5
Breezepelt's and Heathertail's. I knew it! So they had three kits? There were clearly more than two kits in that scene.
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Post by Jaysnow on Aug 31, 2018 13:28:00 GMT -5
Breezepelt's and Heathertail's. I knew it! So they had three kits? There were clearly more than two kits in that scene. I asked the person who got the books this, and she said " Seems like it, or it could just be a small inconsistency. Warriors is known for those lol." Which isn't wrong..
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 31, 2018 13:30:05 GMT -5
I knew it! So they had three kits? There were clearly more than two kits in that scene. I asked the person who got the books this, and she said " Seems like it, or it could just be a small inconsistency. Warriors is known for those lol." Which isn't wrong.. Lol, true. I think one of the kits was a tom from the little snipit I saw, so if there was another, then Brindlewing and Smokehaze had a brother.
Any word on Fernstripe?
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Post by Jaysnow on Aug 31, 2018 13:35:24 GMT -5
I asked the person who got the books this, and she said " Seems like it, or it could just be a small inconsistency. Warriors is known for those lol." Which isn't wrong.. Lol, true. I think one of the kits was a tom from the little snipit I saw, so if there was another, then Brindlewing and Smokehaze had a brother.
Any word on Fernstripe?
I've asked, just waiting on a response.
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Post by Jaysnow on Aug 31, 2018 13:45:21 GMT -5
I asked the person who got the books this, and she said " Seems like it, or it could just be a small inconsistency. Warriors is known for those lol." Which isn't wrong.. Lol, true. I think one of the kits was a tom from the little snipit I saw, so if there was another, then Brindlewing and Smokehaze had a brother.
Any word on Fernstripe?
No appearance.
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 31, 2018 13:48:11 GMT -5
Lol, true. I think one of the kits was a tom from the little snipit I saw, so if there was another, then Brindlewing and Smokehaze had a brother.
Any word on Fernstripe?
No appearance. Thanks! I really hope they didn't mistake Featherpelt for Fernstripe. I know they look alike and both were Crowfeather's apprentice, but...
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 31, 2018 13:50:07 GMT -5
Also, side note. The book states that Deadfoot was still deputy when Crowfeather was a kit. When Crowfeather is born in FQ Mudclaw is already deputy.
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