#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 30, 2018 23:44:45 GMT -5
So the stoat's don't kill anyone except for making Onestar lose a life. What's the point, then!?
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Bisexual
Fawnwing
Tree is good, you guys are just mean
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Post by Fawnwing on Aug 30, 2018 23:45:37 GMT -5
OKAY, I was using Twitter and someone made a thread of some scenes from the book they got early about Lionblaze, Jayefeather, Leafpool and Crowfeather talking to each other, it was so Good! I really wasn't expecting that. And I'm just so happy Crowfeather is trying to become better. I would show you guys but I have no idea how to upload pictures unto here. I could just give the link to the Twitter thread if that helps?? idk how twitter images work, but usually u'd just open the image in a new time and then copy and paste the link I can't do that with Twitter images. I have to save them to my phone. I really want to show you guys, does anyone know how to upload pictures?
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Post by Sundance on Aug 30, 2018 23:53:04 GMT -5
idk how twitter images work, but usually u'd just open the image in a new time and then copy and paste the link I can't do that with Twitter images. I have to save them to my phone. I really want to show you guys, does anyone know how to upload pictures? On your toolbar, to the far right hand side, is a button that lets you insert images. Looks like a little portrait of a field. If you're unable to do that, just copy-paste the link to the Twitter post! :-D
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 30, 2018 23:55:09 GMT -5
I'm not sure how to upload photos (I mean, I know how, but they rarely upload), but I think I found the pictures Fawnwing is talking about.
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Post by Fernstep on Aug 30, 2018 23:59:13 GMT -5
I'm not sure how to upload photos (I mean, I know how, but they rarely upload), but I think I found the pictures Fawnwing is talking about. Oh god, so much of that conversation with Leafpool makes me wince. The bit where it says that Leafpool, as a ThunderClan cat, wouldn't be "prejudiced against Breezepelt", oh god.
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Post by Sundance on Aug 30, 2018 23:59:54 GMT -5
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Post by Sundance on Aug 31, 2018 0:04:40 GMT -5
Here's Onestar being a butt :-P (Dawnmist posted A BUNCH of scenes on her Twitter, more so than we've shared above, so definitely go check her Twitter page out for all of them ^^)
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Bisexual
Fawnwing
Tree is good, you guys are just mean
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Post by Fawnwing on Aug 31, 2018 0:07:05 GMT -5
I'm not sure how to upload photos (I mean, I know how, but they rarely upload), but I think I found the pictures Fawnwing is talking about. Oh god, so much of that conversation with Leafpool makes me wince. The bit where it says that Leafpool, as a ThunderClan cat, wouldn't be "prejudiced against Breezepelt", oh god. Yeah, I thought that was pretty stupid. I mean it's not like Breezepelt didn't try to kill two of her sons or anything, nooo.It must be been just awkward hearing about someone who tried to kill your children.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 31, 2018 0:07:18 GMT -5
beautiful :')
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Post by Sundance on Aug 31, 2018 0:08:34 GMT -5
THIS SCENE IS WICKED HAWKFROST CAMEO (and Breezepelt being shown in a negative light instead of having his past actions sugar coated woohhooo)
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 31, 2018 0:09:44 GMT -5
Sundance, do you think maybe you could put the photos in a spoiler tag so it'll be easier to scroll?
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Post by Sundance on Aug 31, 2018 0:10:16 GMT -5
Sundance , do you think maybe you could put the photos in a spoiler tag so it'll be easier to scroll? Good idea! :-D Yes, absolutely! EDIT: Done
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 0:12:47 GMT -5
Onestar. Shtap it you doofus. It’s not funny anymore can’t you tell?
I mean seriously ThunderClan come to help you and you joke about possibly backstabbing them and putting them in a trap.
Though why am I surprised oof
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 31, 2018 0:14:29 GMT -5
I couldn't help rolling my eyes at this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 0:16:43 GMT -5
I couldn't help rolling my eyes at this. Pardon my language, but sweet friggin' christ. Im so disappointed
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 0:20:19 GMT -5
This book is babying the entire family - especially Breezepelt, who didn't deserve a redemption in the first place.
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Post by Fernstep on Aug 31, 2018 0:22:29 GMT -5
I couldn't help rolling my eyes at this. ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch please make it stop god I don't want to read this book but I must
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 0:22:37 GMT -5
On one end sure it might be true that Breezepelt probably gave up on civil life entirely in a rage over his bad family life.
... but he actually was a traitor too. It’s canon. He had given up on his clan and nearly attacked them.
So yeah. Hmph. Little off there.
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 31, 2018 2:19:15 GMT -5
In case anyone wants more spoilers: mobile.twitter.com/LiaMysticV2But really, I'm still not sure how to feel about Breezepelt's redemption arc in general.
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#ffc5c5
Official Queen of Fan Clans
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ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁
Official ThunderClan & ElmClan Leader
Easing back in
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Aug 31, 2018 2:58:11 GMT -5
Wow.. Onestar is unbearable in this book.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Aug 31, 2018 4:58:02 GMT -5
Hmm....I still don't mind it. I think the only thing I'm annoyed by is Onestar, and how they wasted the stoats potential, then again these are the Erins....the authors that wasted plenty of opportunities to kill off certain cats, sigh.
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Asexual
Mayflower
I am a Daisy and Ferncloud stan first, and a human being second
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Post by Mayflower on Aug 31, 2018 5:06:31 GMT -5
For God's sake, Onestar, why would you give that speech to Crowfeather at the start, then turn around and still be a buttwipe to ThunderClan? Smh. He's a good leader to WindClan, from what I can see, but a crappy cat overall. Ugh.
Anddddd other than that, I'm satisfied from what we've see. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Rip me if I get the book and read it myself, then hate literally everything about it.
But after all these years of being toxic and disgusting toward one another, I don't think of it as babying at all. The air between all the cats seemed cordial at best, with the occasional flash of warmth. I'm not viewing this as lovey-dovey or anything...just everyone being grownups and talking things out and apologizing, like they should have been doing the whole damn time -- especially Nightcloud and Crowfeather.
Admittedly, I wish it coulda been bittersweet and ended with Crowfeather dying, glad that he'd made amends with everyone :'D Just 'cause I'm an ass like that.
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 31, 2018 7:32:38 GMT -5
O h y e a h do i s e e some BERRYNOSE my guy?
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Post by vectoring34 on Aug 31, 2018 8:05:33 GMT -5
When Breezepelt was attacking that Windclan cat, clearly he was just trying to hug him. Not being an obvious traitor, no, not at all! And when Breezepelt decided he'd kill Poppyfrost, clearly he was just angry at his Thunderclan kin. CLEARLY!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 8:35:44 GMT -5
I’ve been looking at some of the other snapshots, like Crowfeather and Breezepelt's interactions with Lionblaze and Jayfeather, and while they do feel somewhat forced... they’re actually not that bad and kinda believable. Jayfeather of course is still really angry with them like i’d think yet manages to give them the herbs for Breezepelt, which is still pretty big as he could have let him die as a result of that, so he stayed true to his character but was able to show respect in his own way. Lionblaze is exactly how I’d thought- not caring at all for Crowfeather’s apology cause he didn’t mind anyway- he was always too consumed in the prophecy to care about his heritage so Cherith got that right.
On the other hand with more aspects of Breezepelt’s redemption... from what I’ve seen at least I don’t think he’s being THAT forced. He wanted to feel loved and so Heathertail loving him probably made him happy- as it would make anyone happy, and the time he and Lionblaze helped attack the stoats it wasn’t sugar-coated either and was actually pretty awkward- Crowfeather was the one to get over-excited cause I don’t know maybe he was like “Yay! My family’s not trying to kill each other anymore!” Which is kind of amusing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 8:43:56 GMT -5
But I agree I definitely wish Breezepelt’s redemption was a lot more gradual. It was ok- he started off just wanting to prove to his clan, then later on felt bad about what he did to his siblings, and though I would have liked more careful change it’s... ok :/
Though I’ve said before he was kinda set up to have a head start by WindClan anyway so I suppose it’s expected. If he was exiled he probably would have had to go through some trial of wanting to be a warrior again first, which would have also made resolving his family problems harder.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 8:48:41 GMT -5
Also is it just me or is the writing really good in this book? Sure there’s inconsistencies but which book doesn’t- I just get the feeling Cherith really enjoyed writing this and that it just came naturally to her.
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 31, 2018 8:54:24 GMT -5
I’ve been looking at some of the other snapshots, like Crowfeather and Breezepelt's interactions with Lionblaze and Jayfeather, and while they do feel somewhat forced... they’re actually not that bad and kinda believable. Jayfeather of course is still really angry with them like i’d think yet manages to give them the herbs for Breezepelt, which is still pretty big as he could have let him die as a result of that, so he stayed true to his character but was able to show respect in his own way. Lionblaze is exactly how I’d thought- not caring at all for Crowfeather’s apology cause he didn’t mind anyway- he was always too consumed in the prophecy to care about his heritage so Cherith got that right. On the other hand with more aspects of Breezepelt’s redemption... from what I’ve seen at least I don’t think he’s being THAT forced. He wanted to feel loved and so Heathertail loving him probably made him happy- as it would make anyone happy, and the time he and Lionblaze helped attack the stoats it wasn’t sugar-coated either and was actually pretty awkward- Crowfeather was the one to get over-excited cause I don’t know maybe he was like “Yay! My family’s not trying to kill each other anymore!” Which is kind of amusing. Oh, Jayfeather's and Lionblaze's reactions towards Crowfeather's apology is exactly what I expected, so I don't mind that. And yeah, Crowfeather's overexcitedness is kind of amusing. With Breezepelt though, I get what Cherith was trying to do and I totally get what you're saying, but it's lines like the one I posted is why I think the redemption feels forced, at least to me. It just feels like the book itself is expecting the audience to forgive Breezepelt. However, I don't want to judge it without getting the entire picture, either, so I'm still going to read the book anyway. Honestly, I'm much more disappointed the stoats didn't kill a single cat (except take one of Onestar's lives, apparently).
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Mayflower
I am a Daisy and Ferncloud stan first, and a human being second
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Post by Mayflower on Aug 31, 2018 9:31:55 GMT -5
The stoats not doing more is completely whack. I'm personally insulted to everyone's behalf here, because what the hell is it gonna take for the Clans to lose some cats to actual threats??? Darktail did damage, but not enough, imo.
I just...gah! Back in TPB, they were killing cats in TC left and right, and upon rereads, I'm amazed at just how many cats died per book. A good portion of the TC cats we started out with in ITW were in StarClan before the series were over with good, iconic deaths, even for minor characters in the Clan and outside it. We also had a few good send-offs in the TNP followup. It's so boring to know and/or expect that everyone will survive, or if anyone does die, it'll be a minor character sendoff in a way that's weird (Snowbush) or boring (Onestar losing his lives) or already expected/not too big of a surprise (Briarlight).
Edit: Actually, Rowanstar's death wasn't expected, but that made it so much worse for what followed it. Now that I think about it, Crowfrost and Needletail also shook up things by the smallest margin, but still. I'm bored of no one dying.
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Post by Brindlefern on Aug 31, 2018 10:05:13 GMT -5
The stoats not doing more is completely whack. I'm personally insulted to everyone's behalf here, because what the hell is it gonna take for the Clans to lose some cats to actual threats??? Darktail did damage, but not enough, imo. I just...gah! Back in TPB, they were killing cats in TC left and right, and upon rereads, I'm amazed at just how many cats died per book. A good portion of the TC cats we started out with in ITW were in StarClan before the series were over with good, iconic deaths, even for minor characters in the Clan and outside it. We also had a few good send-offs in the TNP followup. It's so boring to know and/or expect that everyone will survive, or if anyone does die, it'll be a minor character sendoff in a way that's weird (Snowbush) or boring (Onestar losing his lives) or already expected/not too big of a surprise (Briarlight). Edit: Actually, Rowanstar's death wasn't expected, but that made it so much worse for what followed it. Now that I think about it, Crowfrost and Needletail also shook up things by the smallest margin, but still. I'm bored of no one dying. Yeah like, I was actually excited for the idea of stoats causing some casualties because, the cats have a lot of issues with massive rat attacks as we've seen. Stoats are a lot worse for the reasons we've pointed out. They can kill RABBITS by wearing them down and giving a good bite on the spine! But hearing that nobody except Onestar died from them is honestly super duper dull and makes the idea of them a lot less interesting now because in the end they don't even DO ANYTHING anyways! But then again, I don't expect anything more of the editorial team. They either want no cats to die, or for cats that nobody cares about in the first place to have any impact die. I betcha they don't even know how good stoats are in hunting larger prey or something, because ya know what is research? ://// You'd think in a world of wildcats they'd have more casualties but alas they don't even take that risk. I'm bored of nobody dying as well, it makes the threats happening not even threats in the first place. Why coin stoats as a "new threat" when they don't even kill anyone when in mass? I don't get it.. I really don't, and all they do by doing this is disappointing fans even more because we all just WANT CATS TO DIE LIKE THEY SHOULD!!
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