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Post by Jaysnow on Aug 22, 2018 15:29:24 GMT -5
I had to check out something. Beetlewhisker is not in the allegiances. That is a relief. I noticed this too. Thank goodness. Hopefully it stays this way for the last AVOS.
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Post by Jaysnow on Aug 22, 2018 15:35:00 GMT -5
Anyway, thoughts on the preview: Allegiances:
Dovewing- green eyes. Oh boy. Beetlewhisker is finally gone. So it seems like this is post DS? Alright. I hope they show the flood from WindClan's POV.
Prologue: Gosh, that was....brutal. I didn't need my heart anyway. I'm glad it was flashbacks of previous events and not the standard StarClan prophecy stuff. We've had enough of that lately. I'm glad we finally got a chance to see his POV on these things.
Chapter 1: Nightcloud's salt is real, and justifiably so. I'm glad it mentions they are former mates right off the bat. But the "mated with" being used kinda threw me off lol. Surprised they'd use it in a kids book. Has warriors done this yet? Anyway, Harespring getting focus is awesome. I do hope we get some Crow/Night/Breeze scenes in the rest of the book. But so far? I'm very intrigued and much looking forward to the rest of the book. Less than 2 weeks, let's go.
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Post by Viperstrike on Aug 22, 2018 15:46:02 GMT -5
unpopular opinion but i agree with gorsetail. breezepelt had no problem wishing death on everyone else, so i have no sympathy for him that others feel the same way about him. after everything he's done he's lucky he's still allowed in windclan. he better prove himself in this book or i stand by this
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Post by mymerlincat on Aug 22, 2018 15:46:41 GMT -5
damn 380 pages? SEs are getting shorter and shorter
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 15:48:58 GMT -5
damn 380 pages? SEs are getting shorter and shorter Thought I was the only one who noticed that.
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Post by Jaysnow on Aug 22, 2018 15:50:07 GMT -5
damn 380 pages? SEs are getting shorter and shorter Thought I was the only one who noticed that. Nope, noticed as well. TS is the shortest one and from Amazon standards, CT is about the same length. It's a shame. Hopefully SH isn't as short.
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Post by Kibui on Aug 22, 2018 15:50:10 GMT -5
Chapter 1: Nightcloud's salt is real, and justifiably so. I'm glad it mentions they are former mates right off the bat. But the "mated with" being used kinda threw me off lol. Surprised they'd use it in a kids book. Has warriors done this yet? Anyway, Harespring getting focus is awesome. I do hope we get some Crow/Night/Breeze scenes in the rest of the book. But so far? I'm very intrigued and much looking forward to the rest of the book. Less than 2 weeks, let's go. Yeah the most recent AVoS books use the term mated, too. It's really weird, especially considering that otherwise they completely stay away from getting explicit ---- Anyways I'm really glad that they remembered so many things - really looking forward to where they're going with this SE (and hoping we don't get a prophecy later on in the book. Or if we do then at least that it's not as important
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Post by Jaysnow on Aug 22, 2018 15:52:51 GMT -5
Hopefully HC releases their several chapter (about 100 pages) excerpt soon. I'll link it here when it's released, provided no one else gets to it first.
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Post by Viperstrike on Aug 22, 2018 16:06:43 GMT -5
Hey I just noticed something. This might not mean anything, but I noticed Weaselfur, Crouchfoot, and Whiskernose all appear in this book, only to disappear later on never to be seen again. Out of all the WindClan cats listed in the allegiances for this book, they're the only three that don't return in TAQ. Whiskernose might have died seeing as how he's an elder, but I'm wondering about the others.
I'm betting they're either going to try and kill Breezepelt only to be killed themselves, or Breezepelt kills them. Or the Erins just forgot about them. Or they died from offscreen greencough.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 16:07:09 GMT -5
1. Holy smokes Crowfeather is 10x more depressing on the inside than he is on the outside rip me
2. I mean knowing ahead of time Harestar is cool is great and all but choosing a dark forest cat as deputy who no one accepts or will probably take orders from is just, not smart Onestar, not smart- he was really lucky on that decision
3. ... I’m both surprised and yet not surprised at all at Crowfeather’s thought processes. He’s like a really old and depressed Jayfeather.
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 22, 2018 16:20:24 GMT -5
Hey I just noticed something. This might not mean anything, but I noticed Weaselfur, Crouchfoot, and Whiskernose all appear in this book, only to disappear later on never to be seen again. Out of all the WindClan cats listed in the allegiances for this book, they're the only three that don't return in TAQ. Whiskernose might have died seeing as how he's an elder, but I'm wondering about the others. I'm betting they're either going to try and kill Breezepelt only to be killed themselves, or Breezepelt kills them. Or the Erins just forgot about them. Or they died from offscreen greencough. I'm hoping the book tells us what happened to them. Whiskernose was actually a young cat who retired early due to injuries he received in the battle.
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Post by Sundance on Aug 22, 2018 16:20:48 GMT -5
Does it say in the sampler when Crowfeather and Nightcloud stopped being mates? (I just skimmed the pages and didn't see anything about that ...) If not, when do you guys think it happened?
Honestly I don't think what those WindClan warriors said about Breezepelt was harsh. I'm glad they dragged his arse. After all he's done? It's soooo deserved. :-P Wishing a cat who openly allied with serial murderers and went along with their "lets destroy the Clans" credo until he was forced to stop was dead isn't that preposterous in my opinion ... to be expected really.
This line worries me: "Crowfeather could not help admiring her strong, graceful bounds and the way her muscles rippled under her black pelt." Noooooooo, Crowfeather, stop!
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Post by Sundance on Aug 22, 2018 16:26:37 GMT -5
Hey I just noticed something. This might not mean anything, but I noticed Weaselfur, Crouchfoot, and Whiskernose all appear in this book, only to disappear later on never to be seen again. Out of all the WindClan cats listed in the allegiances for this book, they're the only three that don't return in TAQ. Whiskernose might have died seeing as how he's an elder, but I'm wondering about the others. I'm betting they're either going to try and kill Breezepelt only to be killed themselves, or Breezepelt kills them. Or the Erins just forgot about them. Or they died from offscreen greencough. Ooooooooooh good catch! When this was said "The Clan would almost be better off if something happened to Breezepelt ... Like a badger took care of him or something” it did make me wonder if there'd be an attempt on Breezepelt's life by unhappy WindClanners later on in the book.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 16:29:03 GMT -5
Does it say in the sampler when Crowfeather and Nightcloud stopped being mates? (I just skimmed the pages and didn't see anything about that ...) If not, when do you guys think it happened? Honestly I don't think what those WindClan warriors said about Breezepelt was harsh. I'm glad they dragged his arse. After all he's done? It's soooo deserved. :-P This line worries me: "Crowfeather could not help admiring her strong, graceful bounds and the way her muscles rippled under her black pelt." Noooooooo, Crowfeather, stop!I don’t think it specified, but I don’t think it was recent or else he would have mentioned it. They were in a patrol “as a family” back when they encountered Leafpool and Lionblaze so it must have happened sometime after that. And yeah I was worried too- Cherith wrote Bramblestar’s Storm so it wouldn’t be unusual for her to be tempted to bring them back together as she did with Bramblestar and Squirrelflight. Unless of course it was the editors. Not sure Cherith has enough authority to make such a major plot decision.
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 22, 2018 16:44:26 GMT -5
i can understand cats from the clan speaking ill-willed about Breezepelt, but wishing death, especially with Crowfeather actively and inwardly agreeing with that thought process, is pretty darn gross on Crowfeather’s part. Makes me wonder if he never loved Breezepelt at all like he never loved Nightcloud...and that makes me incredibly sad if that’s true
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 22, 2018 16:59:12 GMT -5
i can understand cats from the clan speaking ill-willed about Breezepelt, but wishing death, especially with Crowfeather actively and inwardly agreeing with that thought process, is pretty darn gross on Crowfeather’s part. Makes me wonder if he never loved Breezepelt at all like he never loved Nightcloud...and that makes me incredibly sad if that’s true crowfeather said himself he never hated breezepelt and he did love him in some way (i guess?). but yeah thats just really questionable
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 17:05:47 GMT -5
You know what I haven’t read a new warrior book in a while but I might actually get this one.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 22, 2018 17:09:47 GMT -5
You know what I haven’t read a new warrior book in a while but I might actually get this one. me too!! i gave up the main series. im only here for the crowfeather SE now lmao
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Post by gonxkillua on Aug 22, 2018 17:16:05 GMT -5
i can understand cats from the clan speaking ill-willed about Breezepelt, but wishing death, especially with Crowfeather actively and inwardly agreeing with that thought process, is pretty darn gross on Crowfeather’s part. Makes me wonder if he never loved Breezepelt at all like he never loved Nightcloud...and that makes me incredibly sad if that’s true Breezepelt sided with a group of dead cats that literally wanted to kill them all. While saying they wish he was dead aloud is a bit harsh I can't blame them for feeling that way. Crowfeather isn't actively agreeing he was mad when he herd them say it but coulndnt help but feel they are right that he deserves to die for what he did and was ashamed that he felt that way. If he didn't love Breezepelt and really did hate him he woulndt have felt any shame for his feelings or disgust at them for saying it. Him loving Breezepelt does not excuse his bad parenting thought.He never did love Nightcloud that is true.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 17:23:23 GMT -5
i can understand cats from the clan speaking ill-willed about Breezepelt, but wishing death, especially with Crowfeather actively and inwardly agreeing with that thought process, is pretty darn gross on Crowfeather’s part. Makes me wonder if he never loved Breezepelt at all like he never loved Nightcloud...and that makes me incredibly sad if that’s true Breezepelt sided with a group of dead cats that literally wanted to kill them all. While saying they wish he was dead aloud is a bit harsh I can't blame them for feeling that way. Crowfeather isn't actively agreeing he was mad when he herd them say it but coulndnt help but feel they are right that he deserves to die for what he did and was ashamed that he felt that way. If he didn't love Breezepelt and really did hate him he woulndt have felt any shame for his feelings or disgust at them for saying it. Him loving Breezepelt does not excuse his bad parenting thought.He never did love Nightcloud thought that's is true. I don't feel like Crowfeather fully agrees that Breezepelt should die, more that he shouldn't be forgiven. However, Crowfeather has a lot of good reason to hate Breezepelt. Not only did he side with the cats that killed 8 of their Clanmates, including Crowfeather's mother/Breezepelt's grandmother and could of easily killed Nightcloud and Heathertail as well, but - Breezepelt himself personally attacked serval clanmates and even tried killing the rest of Crowfeather's kits, which he was forced to prevent one himself. I wouldn't blame anyone for disowning a child who tried to kill the rest of their siblings and sided with the group who killed their grandmother.
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Post by vectoring34 on Aug 22, 2018 17:36:37 GMT -5
No one blinks an eye at Tawnypelt saying she was happy her dad died. Now that it's Breezepelt though and cats are musing about hating him while not killing him it's suddenly so unjustified.
Breezepelt is lucky he was allowed to stay in the first place, given that he only hasn't killed due to lack of ability and not lack of will or attempts.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 17:45:33 GMT -5
No one blinks an eye at Tawnypelt saying she was happy her dad died. Now that it's Breezepelt though and cats are musing about hating him while not killing him it's suddenly so unjustified. Breezepelt is lucky he was allowed to stay in the first place, given that he only hasn't killed due to lack of ability and not lack of will or attempts. Extremely lucky. The only other cat to side with the Dark Forest, Redwillow, was killed one the spot by Blackstar and sent to the Dark Forest, all for his alliance alone, not having anything individual crime as far as we are aware. Unlike Breezepelt, who attempted to kill a Blind Medicine cat and Pregnant Queen at the Clans' most sacred place, even before the battle. Which in, he also tried to kill his half-brother and celebrated his sister's death. Crowfeather could of honestly and easily killed Breezepelt right then and there, and it would probably be considered quite justified. Just like Brambleclaw killing Hawkfrost for killing his adopted daughter. Breezepelt is lucky to even be alive, let alone be forgiven and allowed to stay.
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 22, 2018 17:55:58 GMT -5
It just pisses me off that Crowfeather is questioning how he raised such a bad kit but still does not fess up or act upon his neglect! And if parents wished their kids death for every malicious action they did, then nothing will get solved and nobody will recieve the help they need. You guys can have your opinions, but I stand by mine, that wishing death doesn’t make you any better than someone else who wished death. Again, I excuse none of Breezepelt’s actions, but at the same time Crowfeather thinking his son deserves death rather than trying to even understand or strive to demand why Breezepelt did what he did shows his awful actions.
Of course, I have to read more to make full opinions, but I don’t find them wishing Breezepelt death in such a way, mostly Crowfeather inwardly thinking that he possibly should, to be good at all. That’s just what I think.
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Post by briarfrost on Aug 22, 2018 18:02:49 GMT -5
No one blinks an eye at Tawnypelt saying she was happy her dad died. Now that it's Breezepelt though and cats are musing about hating him while not killing him it's suddenly so unjustified. Breezepelt is lucky he was allowed to stay in the first place, given that he only hasn't killed due to lack of ability and not lack of will or attempts. The difference is, the former is a case of a daughter saying that about her dad. The second is a case of a father saying that about his son. A child cannot raise their parent, but fathers have a responsibility to raise their children. And that's a responsibility Crowfeather failed at--not because he didn't try, but because he just didn't care enough to properly educate and be there for his son. Tawnypelt was another victim of her father's tyranny, but Crowfeather played a hand in why Breezepelt turned out the way he did. It doesn't excuse anything Breezepelt did, but for an at best neglectful father to privately agree his son deserves to die, without feeling any sadness or love towards the son in question, after helping to shape that son into the person he is, comes off as grossly washing his hands of responsibility.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 18:04:53 GMT -5
No one blinks an eye at Tawnypelt saying she was happy her dad died. Now that it's Breezepelt though and cats are musing about hating him while not killing him it's suddenly so unjustified. Breezepelt is lucky he was allowed to stay in the first place, given that he only hasn't killed due to lack of ability and not lack of will or attempts. The difference is, the former is a case of a daughter saying that about her dad. The second is a case of a father saying that about his son. A child cannot raise their parent, but fathers have a responsibility to raise their children. And that's a responsibility Crowfeather failed at--not because he didn't try, but because he just didn't care enough to properly educate and be there for his son. Tawnypelt was another victim of her father's tyranny, but Crowfeather played a hand in why Breezepelt turned out the way he did. It doesn't excuse anything Breezepelt did, but for an at best neglectful father to privately agree his son deserves to die, without feeling any sadness or love towards the son in question, after helping to shape that son into the person he is, comes off as grossly washing his hands of responsibility. Fair enough.
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Post by vectoring34 on Aug 22, 2018 18:13:11 GMT -5
No one blinks an eye at Tawnypelt saying she was happy her dad died. Now that it's Breezepelt though and cats are musing about hating him while not killing him it's suddenly so unjustified. Breezepelt is lucky he was allowed to stay in the first place, given that he only hasn't killed due to lack of ability and not lack of will or attempts. The difference is, the former is a case of a daughter saying that about her dad. The second is a case of a father saying that about his son. A child cannot raise their parent, but fathers have a responsibility to raise their children. And that's a responsibility Crowfeather failed at--not because he didn't try, but because he just didn't care enough to properly educate and be there for his son. Tawnypelt was another victim of her father's tyranny, but Crowfeather played a hand in why Breezepelt turned out the way he did. It doesn't excuse anything Breezepelt did, but for an at best neglectful father to privately agree his son deserves to die, without feeling any sadness or love towards the son in question, after helping to shape that son into the person he is, comes off as grossly washing his hands of responsibility. Crowfeather's nasty, but he's also correct here. It's not a zero sum game.
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Post by briarfrost on Aug 22, 2018 18:16:35 GMT -5
The difference is, the former is a case of a daughter saying that about her dad. The second is a case of a father saying that about his son. A child cannot raise their parent, but fathers have a responsibility to raise their children. And that's a responsibility Crowfeather failed at--not because he didn't try, but because he just didn't care enough to properly educate and be there for his son. Tawnypelt was another victim of her father's tyranny, but Crowfeather played a hand in why Breezepelt turned out the way he did. It doesn't excuse anything Breezepelt did, but for an at best neglectful father to privately agree his son deserves to die, without feeling any sadness or love towards the son in question, after helping to shape that son into the person he is, comes off as grossly washing his hands of responsibility. Crowfeather's nasty, but he's also correct here. It's not a zero sum game. It still doesn't make what he's thinking any less gross.
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Post by Katanaheart on Aug 22, 2018 18:29:00 GMT -5
i can understand cats from the clan speaking ill-willed about Breezepelt, but wishing death, especially with Crowfeather actively and inwardly agreeing with that thought process, is pretty darn gross on Crowfeather’s part. Makes me wonder if he never loved Breezepelt at all like he never loved Nightcloud...and that makes me incredibly sad if that’s true Crowfeather is actually pretty logical, after all wouldn’t you want a would-be murderer dead, but not by your own hands? As if fate just took care of them, so they wouldn’t be around to harm someone else? Crowfeather isn’t exactly seeing him as his son with agreeing to that viewpoint.
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 22, 2018 18:34:08 GMT -5
i can understand cats from the clan speaking ill-willed about Breezepelt, but wishing death, especially with Crowfeather actively and inwardly agreeing with that thought process, is pretty darn gross on Crowfeather’s part. Makes me wonder if he never loved Breezepelt at all like he never loved Nightcloud...and that makes me incredibly sad if that’s true Crowfeather is actually pretty logical, after all wouldn’t you want a would-be murderer dead, but not by your own hands? As if fate just took care of them, so they wouldn’t be around to harm someone else? Crowfeather isn’t exactly seeing him as his son with agreeing to that viewpoint. That in itself is a big problem. He doesn’t see him as a son. I don’t think he ever did. Yet he wonders why he failed in fatherhood. Maybe because he thinks thoughts like these rather than wondering what he can do to actually be a father for once in his life. He fails as a father, and now he’s agreeig that a badger come along and get rid of his failure instead of actually doing something that could actually help. I’m fine if people are fine with Crowfeather thinking his son deserves death, but it is not ever going to be okay to me.
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Post by Viperstrike on Aug 22, 2018 18:36:32 GMT -5
I don't think Crowfeather should be blamed for Breezepelt's actions. While Crowfeather wasn't a very good father, he certainly wasn't that bad to warrent what Breezepelt did. Breezepelt was an adult when he chose to make the choices he did. He was old enough to understand the consequences of his actions, and he didn't care. Just because someone has neglectful parents growing up doesn't excuse the poor choices they decide to make on their own as adults.
Also, not to mention if all of Breezepelt's behavior is because of Crowfeather, then why didn't Breezepelt take his anger out on Crowfeather? I know it was mentioned in the books, but it was never acted on. I feel like if all of this was because Crowfeather neglected him as a child that Breezepelt would try to take his anger out on Crowfeather personally instead of targeting random cats who had nothing to do with the situation. Even in the final battle Breezepelt is more worried about getting revenge against Lionblaze who did nothing to him besides exist and be his half brother than he is Crowfeather. He doesn't even fight against his father when Crowfeather pulls him off Lionblaze, and then he runs away.
Honestly I always got the interrpretation that Breezepelt acted out because he didn't like that Crowfeather was the three's father. As soon as he found that out, that's when he started acting out and they were already his target. He tries to kill Jayfeather, gloats over Hollyleaf's death, and then in TLH when Breeze tries to kill Lion, Ivy asks him if he really wants to fight for Brokenstar. Breeze says this isnt about Broken, but that the three should have never been born. Why would he feel so strongly about this and say this is his reasoning if it's really because of Crowfeather? Crowfeather didn't raise them so I know it isn't a jealousy thing. Also going back to what I said earlier, if it was about Crowfeather then why didn't Breezepelt confront him? All he says is that he thought his father hated him, but he never blames him or really says anything else and instead just runs away. I feel like Breezepelt should have tried to get his revenge on Crowfeather in that moment if all of it was because of him
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