What has Ivypool done?

nothing

I think a large part of it is that

Would you like to know why I like her? It's funny, because Maple is right. You all ask "why is she praised so much?"

Uh...where? I see more mindless hate for her than genuine praise, so kindly excuse my doubt. Anyway. Would you like to know why I like her so much? She is realistic, she is relateable, and she isn't perfect. She's not a "good spy" because she really didn't want to be one in the first place. Who cares? How well she spied on cats from literal hell that could have slaughtered her and her soul over again really doesn't matter to me as much as her personality.

She starts out envious and gullible. I'm going to be honest, it's hard to not be crazy jealous of a sister when she literally gets the praise of everyone. This wasn't Ivypool being needlessly envious. There were so many scenes where cats literally stated that Dovewing was better. Looking at you, Blossomfall. Ugh. Ivypool and Dovewing are young. Their emotions are perfectly natural. But Ivypool was incredibly relateable for me, I felt the same in my own youth. People would literally insult me and tell me to be better like my sister. Seeing Ivypool face the same thing meant alot to me. I don't give a crap if it was immature, that's called realistic and natural youthful emotion.

Ivypool developed to literally get over her envy and find the right track again. She didn't tell anybody about Dovewing's code breaking and got captured by Shadowclan because of Dovewing and Tigerheart's selfishness. And even then, she stayed quiet. Hell, Ivypool's a far better sibling to Dovewing than Dovewing is to her. She protects Dovewing's relationship, she cares for her sister, she doesn't leave her like an idiot, so yeah, that's a pretty good trait in my eyes.

She's amazing in AVOS. She's such a good mentor to Twigpaw and she's so protective of what she cares for. Heck, she even stated she'd have gone with Dovewing to keep her safe. Her romance with Fernsong is healthy and currently my favorite relationship, and she's just tough and bold. I love her development. I love it, and I relate to her more than any cat in this series.

But this praise you guys keep talking about, I hardly see it. I see more hateful posts for Ivy than positive ones, sooooo

You're my hero

Now, taking into account was Leo said, I think its ridiculous people constantly compare Violetshine and Ivypool when it comes to who's the better spy. Especially when Violetshine was dealing with living cats she could physically escape, which she did. While Ivypool was dealing with dead cats in cat hell, and could be killed any moment, and even on a whim, she didn't have to be traitorous in anyway, falling asleep during training? Time to die. Time for some practice, nope drown in the river. This is just a mock fight, nah to the death. Ivypool was literally fighting for her life every night, whether she wanted to or not, she didn't have much of a choice. Violetshine was treated specially by Darktail, and he actually trusted her, he seems to trust any of the kin if they swear loyalty, and if they betray him he kills them. But with some, he gives more chances than usual, like Rain and Needletail. The only reason Violetshine even got caught was because Sleekwhisker is a jealous piece of fox dung, and was watching her like a hawk. Between the two, Ivypool never got caught, until she turned traitor on the DF at the end, while sadly, Violetshine got caught midway and that led to the death of Needletail.

Spy wise, the two of them had different assignments as well. They both had to gather information, but not much came from either, but Ivypool's was a play along and survive, while Violetshine is a play along and rescue mission.

Ivypool doesn't become a spy until Night Whispers, the only information she got out of that book was no different than the other cats, that the supposed battle was coming near. None of them had any idea what they meant and most of them still believed they were training for the good of their clans.

In Sign of the Moon she proves her loyalty to Tigerstar by then, and now Mapleshade and asks her when the battle is, and Mapleshade only says soon.

In the Forgotten Warrior she tries to earn even more of their trust saying she wants to be in the front lines, but Hawk says she has to kill Antpelt to do that, she does, but they still don't let her in the inner circle.

And then in the Last Hope, what she's already done is listed by Leonard above.

Basically, between the time of when she became a spy and TLH there really wasn't any significant information she could get. The senior DF cats were being super vague about who they would be fighting until TLH, and when they did reveal it, Beetlewhisker refused and died for it, causing the other's to be terrified, or downright believe in the DF's cause. On the other hand, there are some other things that were said along the way, Mapleshade pretty much saying as long as Ivypool smells like a living cat she'd never be truly one of them. And that was when she requested to be at the meeting they were going too. She did go to sneak in anyways, trying to see the plans they drew in the dirt after they left, but at that moment Dovewing woke her up. So basically Dove ruined one of the most significant chances she had of knowing their plans.

Even when cats were chosen to represent each clan in the DF, they still said nothing about their plans. The DF cats were just down right super close about the crap they were planning to do until the very last minute. And accordingly, Ivypool relayed that information to the clan as well.

Imo it makes sense that she wouldn't teach others IRL certain battle moves intially, some cats have asked her where she learned ceartain things, or how much it made her stand out (that's what she wanted anyways, to be different than her sister). Onece Lionblaze was ridiculed by Hawkfrost for teaching Heathertail a move he learned from them, thinking she would use it to her advantage later on. I guess it's the same rehetoric here. The only other thing was knowing which clans were training in the DF, but hey, Jayfeather and Dovewing could have told us that, and neither did either. But like Ivypool said, she didn't want them to be judge prematurely, and in the end they made the right choice.

people give ivypool so much credit for nothing. so she used her common sense and behaved like the majority of warriors do. what a big deal. not fighting with claws? that's basic warrior training that even kits know. she didn't teach her clanmates battle moves until halfway through the last book, and the rest of that is vague information that anyone could have figured out without her. it makes me mad that hollyleaf died for her.

I like Ivypool, but Holly Snow is right. Ivypool does get a lot of praise, especially on websites like Tumblr and Youtube.

Spies are cool. That's why. I think people just like the idea of a cool edgy spy character and didn't really look at the execution.

Also, I always saw Ivypool being a "spy" as more of a self-justification for the killing she did. It was just a way for her to think "It's okay to kill these people" because clan life emphasizes the needs of the group over the needs of an individual and it would seem immoral to her to kill someone else to save herself. By justifying that she is more important to the whole of all the clans, she is creating a loophole in her moral code that would allow her to kill/attempt to kill with as little guilt as possible. Although, this is just my theory.

Job....hmm the job she never wanted in the first place? The job that other characters could have done better, which I guess makes them, even more, wasted potential. The job she was pressured into and manipulated into doing against her initial wishes. A job where two senior warriors threatened other cat sand interrogated her? A job that she has to put her life on the line for every night? Mmm...I guess it really is about perspective. I think in comparison to other characters, she did enough under the circumstances, and more than some of them ever did period. But I don't see many people praise Ivy for it, like I said already, she seems to get a lot of smack instead. Her popularity now in the fandom doesn't correlate with her actions as a spy if anything it's more of what streamflower mentioned before. But she's still a genuinely okay cat in general anyways.

No, she didn't? When she first met Hawkfrost she didn't even know who he was, and it was in a field of flowers. He was nice to her and she didn't know he was manipulating her. She was only the equivalent of a child at the time, so he was practically grooming her. Also even when the trainees realize its too late, they can't stop going to the DF, it just happens, and if they don't want to go anymore and voice that, they'll be killed. Hawkfrost took advantage of Ivypool's weaknesses at the time, it's because of her sister that Ivypool was vulnerable mentally and easier to take convincing. This was literally the whole spiel of the Dark Forest, they go for cats with issues, mostly young ones who are naive and never even met half of them, and don't know the real dangers until it's too late. It's wrong to blame Ivypool for going there when all the trainees made this mistake, and they're not readers, they don't know everything we know in canon.

Jayfeather has literally spied on the DF twice, he has the capability to travel among the afterlife at will. And Dovewing could literally listen all the way to hell, which is ridiculous, and when she was asked who the cats were she refused to reveal them either. Both of them are wasted potential because both of them could have been utilized way better and even safer forms.

wow there's a lot of writing here. i don't know about praise or no praise. ive always felt she's pretty popular in the fandom, but ive never liked her. i prefer characters who are more understanding and compassionate with a little more self esteem than her. i like character unashamed to be themselves and who are a little more selfless.

Also characters who aren't pointless.

yes true. and i am capable, and indeed do, dislike them all

That was rude, no one is excusing it, we are simply saying that she didn't do her job, Rainleaf. I do not appreciate your tone. I'm sorry but if I see something aiming at me I stand up for myself. I know it is because I am the only one who calls Dovewing that.