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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 13:06:13 GMT -5
You've also called me nasty things before when I debated about Dovewing, so don't you act innocent about this. You have called me "hun" once and said really nasty things about me.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on May 1, 2018 13:11:49 GMT -5
So that automatically means I'm talking about you. Okay makes perfect sense. Stop trying to start stuff over your favorite character. You do this almost every time and I'm sick of it. Believe whatever you want to believe, but it wasn't towards you or about you. I swear to god this part of the forum can be so flipping toxic. |
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Post by Turian N7 on May 1, 2018 13:16:15 GMT -5
Ivypool is the poster child for wasted potential in this series. When she's first introduced, I was so terrified that it'd be a typical generic jealous sibling story. But no, she nuts up and actually tries to play her own unique role in the story.
Then she does nothing. Absolutely nothing. As much as I liked seeing dark forest content, her chapters were ultimately a waste of time in the end. Nothing was accomplished, nothing was really learned.
She isn't a hero. She isn't brave. Who knows how many cats could've lived if she simply did the job SHE agreed to do?
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Post by Moonblazer on May 1, 2018 14:00:47 GMT -5
Ivypool is the poster child for wasted potential in this series. When she's first introduced, I was so terrified that it'd be a typical generic jealous sibling story. But no, she nuts up and actually tries to play her own unique role in the story. Then she does nothing. Absolutely nothing. As much as I liked seeing dark forest content, her chapters were ultimately a waste of time in the end. Nothing was accomplished, nothing was really learned. She isn't a hero. She isn't brave. Who knows how many cats could've lived if she simply did the job SHE agreed to do? And how many could have been saved had literally ANYBODY had done their jobs? How many cats would have been saved had Dovewing and Jayfeather actually used their powers to do the jobs THEY agreed to do? How many lives would be saved had Lionblaze, heck, even Bramblestar had told the others the Dark Forest existed and consisted of evil cats? How many cats would have become trainees had they known this evil place existed in the first place? How many cats could have been seen and known about had Dovewing literally focused for a second and spied on the Dark Forest from a safe and untraceable distance, in which NO spying would have been needed, and if Jayfeather and Lionblaze had just allowed the clan to know about the very prophecy that is revolved around their powers keeping the clan safe? How many cats would have lived had Tigerheart told his clan about his spying? Who the heck was he reporting to? This is my problem. Where is all this questioning here? Where is all the greif for cats who are equally if not MORE at fault by also not doing their jobs? At this point, the supposed heroes were so absolutely redundant and stupid that Ivypool knowing everything and a half, they'd probably still be just as unsucessful and cats would have died. That's how incompetant they all are! These cats were still going to die, no matter what. Why would they even consider letting any living cat in on Dark Forest plans? As much as I love Ivypool, she was practically a teenager the whole time she was spying. I'd have been stumped at how absolutely stupid the DF was if they HAD given her viable information. Not to even get started on how Lionblaze and Jayfeather have bullied and forced Dovewing and Ivypool into these things. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 14:18:03 GMT -5
Ivypool is the poster child for wasted potential in this series. When she's first introduced, I was so terrified that it'd be a typical generic jealous sibling story. But no, she nuts up and actually tries to play her own unique role in the story. Then she does nothing. Absolutely nothing. As much as I liked seeing dark forest content, her chapters were ultimately a waste of time in the end. Nothing was accomplished, nothing was really learned. She isn't a hero. She isn't brave. Who knows how many cats could've lived if she simply did the job SHE agreed to do? And how many could have been saved had literally ANYBODY had done their jobs? How many cats would have been saved had Dovewing and Jayfeather actually used their powers to do the jobs THEY agreed to do? How many lives would be saved had Lionblaze, heck, even Bramblestar had told the others the Dark Forest existed and consisted of evil cats? How many cats would have become trainees had they known this evil place existed in the first place? How many cats could have been seen and known about had Dovewing literally focused for a second and spied on the Dark Forest from a safe and untraceable distance, in which NO spying would have been needed, and if Jayfeather and Lionblaze had just allowed the clan to know about the very prophecy that is revolved around their powers keeping the clan safe? How many cats would have lived had Tigerheart told his clan about his spying? Who the heck was he reporting to? This is my problem. Where is all this questioning here? Where is all the greif for cats who are equally if not MORE at fault by also not doing their jobs? At this point, the supposed heroes were so absolutely redundant and stupid that Ivypool knowing everything and a half, they'd probably still be just as unsucessful and cats would have died. That's how incompetant they all are! These cats were still going to die, no matter what. Why would they even consider letting any living cat in on Dark Forest plans? As much as I love Ivypool, she was practically a teenager the whole time she was spying. I'd have been stumped at how absolutely stupid the DF was if they HAD given her viable information. Not to even get started on how Lionblaze and Jayfeather have bullied and forced Dovewing and Ivypool into these things. but the thing is, no one gives any of those cats credit. everyone acknowledges that dovewing, jayfeather, and lionblaze among the others were completely useless in battle. ivypool on the other hand gets all the credit in the world for minimal work. and that's what everyone has a problem with. she was virtually useless but everyone hypes her up as some amazing war hero when she didn't even do anything. no one does that for any of the other three so that's why no one talks about them. |
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Post by Jaysnow on May 1, 2018 14:22:31 GMT -5
the amount of ivypool hate here is gross
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Post by Moonblazer on May 1, 2018 14:24:23 GMT -5
And how many could have been saved had literally ANYBODY had done their jobs? How many cats would have been saved had Dovewing and Jayfeather actually used their powers to do the jobs THEY agreed to do? How many lives would be saved had Lionblaze, heck, even Bramblestar had told the others the Dark Forest existed and consisted of evil cats? How many cats would have become trainees had they known this evil place existed in the first place? How many cats could have been seen and known about had Dovewing literally focused for a second and spied on the Dark Forest from a safe and untraceable distance, in which NO spying would have been needed, and if Jayfeather and Lionblaze had just allowed the clan to know about the very prophecy that is revolved around their powers keeping the clan safe? How many cats would have lived had Tigerheart told his clan about his spying? Who the heck was he reporting to? This is my problem. Where is all this questioning here? Where is all the greif for cats who are equally if not MORE at fault by also not doing their jobs? At this point, the supposed heroes were so absolutely redundant and stupid that Ivypool knowing everything and a half, they'd probably still be just as unsucessful and cats would have died. That's how incompetant they all are! These cats were still going to die, no matter what. Why would they even consider letting any living cat in on Dark Forest plans? As much as I love Ivypool, she was practically a teenager the whole time she was spying. I'd have been stumped at how absolutely stupid the DF was if they HAD given her viable information. Not to even get started on how Lionblaze and Jayfeather have bullied and forced Dovewing and Ivypool into these things. but the thing is, no one gives any of those cats credit. everyone acknowledges that dovewing, jayfeather, and lionblaze among the others were completely useless in battle. ivypool on the other hand gets all the credit in the world for minimal work. and that's what everyone has a problem with. she was virtually useless but everyone hypes her up as some amazing war hero when she didn't even do anything. no one does that for any of the other three so that's why no one talks about them. I wish I knew where all this "hype" is coming from? Because I sure as heck don't contribute to this idea that she was a "good" spy. She wasn't good in an information sense, but that's not why I see her as doing good in the final battle. I see her doing good because she and Hollyleaf and Firestar were literally the only ones who actually fought and did at least SOMETHING. And all 3 didn't have the powers that the actual 3 did! I can't recall a single thing the Three did, but I can certainly recall the things Ivypool, Hollyleaf and Firestar did. That's why I'd understand the praise to her. Because compared to most others in the book, she did do alot compared to the cats who were supposed to do far more! I love her, but the fact that Ivypool did more in that battle than any of the Three, just shows the arc's dreadful writing. And I don't even hype Hollyleaf at all, but she and Ivypool easily deserve more praise just by canon action alone! This isn't me grasping for straws. This is me pointedly remembering just how much more non-powered cats did in the final battle than the Three. Heck, even Cherryfall and Molewhisker's clan running as apprentices did more than most of the main characters! |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 14:27:36 GMT -5
but the thing is, no one gives any of those cats credit. everyone acknowledges that dovewing, jayfeather, and lionblaze among the others were completely useless in battle. ivypool on the other hand gets all the credit in the world for minimal work. and that's what everyone has a problem with. she was virtually useless but everyone hypes her up as some amazing war hero when she didn't even do anything. no one does that for any of the other three so that's why no one talks about them. I wish I knew where all this "hype" is coming from? Because I sure as heck don't contribute to this idea that she was a "good" spy. She wasn't good in an information sense, but that's not why I see her as doing good in the final battle. I see her doing good because she and Hollyleaf and Firestar were literally the only ones who actually fought and did at least SOMETHING. And all 3 didn't have the powers that the actual 3 did! I can't recall a single thing the Three did, but I can certainly recall the things Ivypool, Hollyleaf and Firestar did. That's why I'd understand the praise to her. Because compared to most others in the book, she did do alot compared to the cats who were supposed to do far more! I love her, but the fact that Ivypool did more in that battle than any of the Three, just shows the arc's dreadful writing. And I don't even hype Hollyleaf at all, but she and Ivypool easily deserve more praise just by canon action alone! This isn't me grasping for straws. This is me pointedly remembering just how much more non-powered cats did in the final battle than the Three. Heck, even Cherryfall and Molewhisker's clan running as apprentices did more than most of the main characters! meh, maybe we're not saying the "hype" right. it's probably not on here, however Holly Snow does point out that me, she, and Twister are the few people who dislike her. most of the hype is on Youtube, if you look in the comments on videos, or video analysis on there, or even on Deviantart. if you look at the fanart people praise her a lot. I think we just view ivypool differently. I judge her based on how she's written. She is fine as a character herself, I just wish the writers handled her better |
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Post by Jaysnow on May 1, 2018 14:28:46 GMT -5
I wish I knew where all this "hype" is coming from? Because I sure as heck don't contribute to this idea that she was a "good" spy. She wasn't good in an information sense, but that's not why I see her as doing good in the final battle. I see her doing good because she and Hollyleaf and Firestar were literally the only ones who actually fought and did at least SOMETHING. And all 3 didn't have the powers that the actual 3 did! I can't recall a single thing the Three did, but I can certainly recall the things Ivypool, Hollyleaf and Firestar did. That's why I'd understand the praise to her. Because compared to most others in the book, she did do alot compared to the cats who were supposed to do far more! I love her, but the fact that Ivypool did more in that battle than any of the Three, just shows the arc's dreadful writing. And I don't even hype Hollyleaf at all, but she and Ivypool easily deserve more praise just by canon action alone! This isn't me grasping for straws. This is me pointedly remembering just how much more non-powered cats did in the final battle than the Three. Heck, even Cherryfall and Molewhisker's clan running as apprentices did more than most of the main characters! meh, maybe we're not saying the "hype" right. it's probably not on here, however Holly Snow does point out that me, she, and Twister are the few people who dislike her. most of the hype is on Youtube, if you look in the comments on videos, or video analysis on there, or even on Deviantart. if you look at the fanart people praise her a lot. I think we just view ivypool differently. I judge her based on how she's written. She is fine as a character herself, I just wish the writers handled her better I agree. |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 1, 2018 14:45:01 GMT -5
When does anyone take what people on DA or Youtube say seriously? Lol. There's also tumblr, you know how they love to hype up non-canon crap like lesbian Ivypool, etc and try to pass it as canon but then turn around and spit on the writers when it doesn't happen. Reddit is similar but they actually give the MC's more credit like Jay, when they did even less in retrospect than Ivy. I feel like some people are mixing up reasons why Ivy is popular in general, or maybe they're some of the people that liked Holly and hate Ivy cause Holly died for her. *shrugs* Who really knows.
I do agree with Moon though, the arc is badly written, and by comparison, Ivypool just looks better than the others, along with characters like Fire and Holly. Therefore people use her as a punching bag just because their other favs were ultimately useless.
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