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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 18:19:06 GMT -5
"we want a healthy relationship with no drama and no more forbidden relationships"
*fernsong and ivypool suddenly exists*
"it's absolutely disgusting!!! get rid of that couple she doesn't need a mate"
okay i admit i've complained about this as well, i still think its forced and i agree she doesn't need a mate, but i think its pretty uncalled for to absolutely hate the couple. it is slightly developed and it's not terrible, i never really hated ivyfern, i just find it unnecessary, but i don't get why people absolutely loathe this shipping
i mean, fine, hate it all you want, but is it really that bad? and this is coming from someone who doesn't even like ivypool. i've always thought it was fine, even if i agree with the fans' reasons to dislike the couple.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 18:28:33 GMT -5
I don't hate the FernsongXIvypool couple. Heck, I don't even mind it that much. But I find it a bit less interesting than other couples in the series.
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Post by Jaysnow on Apr 22, 2018 18:51:39 GMT -5
I can accept that people don’t like it or even hate it. But it’s just baffling to me.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 22, 2018 20:30:12 GMT -5
It comes down to the fact that-- Ivypool is popularly headcanon as a butch lesbian in the fandom and people are bitter that she didn't end up with Blossomfall, which as a pairing is overly popular for no real reason tbh. The other reason is because people thought that if Ivypool became a mother she'd be ruined like characters such as Ferncloud, which the fandom notoriously complained about until the Erins killed her off. The other reasons are either pretty flimsy, or just personal issues with the pairing. Incest? Less than 1% yet no one complains about Dust getting it on with his niece for years, or Bramble dating his cousin, and Lionblaze almost making love to his aunt, don't worry Breezepelt did it instead. (And Lionblaze ironically still got with his cousin.) Age gap? Have you seen Leopardfoot and Pinestar? Thornclaw and Blossomfall? Also, they're cats, they're both adults, they do not care. Gender norms? So what? What's wrong with a father wanting to spend time with his own kits, thank god he's not a Spiderleg, and so what if Ivypool wants to be active during her time in the nursery, proves that her becoming a queen doesn't make her weak. Fernsong being Ivypool's arm candy??? Uhh, he's got more characterization than more than half of TC right now, sooo.....Yeah there is literally no pleasing people. |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 22, 2018 20:31:40 GMT -5
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Post by mothsnap on Apr 22, 2018 20:36:02 GMT -5
no it's not. it's unneeded, but if someone tells me it's out of character for ivypool to have a mate and kits I challenge them to describe exactly what their character is. also what type of personality do you need to have to be a mother?
complete goofiness
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Post by mothsnap on Apr 22, 2018 20:37:50 GMT -5
It comes down to the fact that-- Ivypool is popularly headcanon as a butch lesbian in the fandom and people are bitter that she didn't end up with Blossomfall, which as a pairing is overly popular for no real reason tbh. The other reason is because people thought that if Ivypool became a mother she'd be ruined like characters such as Ferncloud, which the fandom notoriously complained about until the Erins killed her off. The other reasons are either pretty flimsy, or just personal issues with the pairing. Incest? Less than 1% yet no one complains about Dust getting it on with his niece for years, or Bramble dating his cousin, and Lionblaze almost making love to his aunt, don't worry Breezepelt did it instead. (And Lionblaze ironically still got with his cousin.) Age gap? Have you seen Leopardfoot and Pinestar? Thornclaw and Blossomfall? Also, they're cats, they're both adults, they do not care. Gender norms? So what? What's wrong with a father wanting to spend time with his own kits, thank god he's not a Spiderleg, and so what if Ivypool wants to be active during her time in the nursery, proves that her becoming a queen doesn't make her weak. Fernsong being Ivypool's arm candy??? Uhh, he's got more characterization than more than half of TC right now, sooo.....Yeah there is literally no pleasing people. This also bothers me. I seems that every character who's a girl and has some masculine traits is labeled lesbian and timid guys are labeled as gay. It's that stereotypical? |
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Apr 22, 2018 20:40:04 GMT -5
People just want their headcanons to come true.
As for my stance on FernXIvy, I don't think it's really necessary, but the FernXIvy scenes so far have been pretty cute, so I ship it.
And it's such a minor part of the series anyway, so I don't understand why there needs to be such a controversy around it.
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Post by olivepatch on Apr 22, 2018 22:41:48 GMT -5
i dont.. hate it? like... i dont LOVE it but its really not something to get so worked up over. i just wasnt really expecting her to have a mate or kits. like. i like ivyblossom but im fine with fernivy. i’ll admit it is forced but like i said its really not worth a whole debate imo
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Post by Fawnwing on Apr 23, 2018 0:26:53 GMT -5
It comes down to the fact that-- Ivypool is popularly headcanon as a butch lesbian in the fandom and people are bitter that she didn't end up with Blossomfall, which as a pairing is overly popular for no real reason tbh. The other reason is because people thought that if Ivypool became a mother she'd be ruined like characters such as Ferncloud, which the fandom notoriously complained about until the Erins killed her off. The other reasons are either pretty flimsy, or just personal issues with the pairing. Incest? Less than 1% yet no one complains about Dust getting it on with his niece for years, or Bramble dating his cousin, and Lionblaze almost making love to his aunt, don't worry Breezepelt did it instead. (And Lionblaze ironically still got with his cousin.) Age gap? Have you seen Leopardfoot and Pinestar? Thornclaw and Blossomfall? Also, they're cats, they're both adults, they do not care. Gender norms? So what? What's wrong with a father wanting to spend time with his own kits, thank god he's not a Spiderleg, and so what if Ivypool wants to be active during her time in the nursery, proves that her becoming a queen doesn't make her weak. Fernsong being Ivypool's arm candy??? Uhh, he's got more characterization than more than half of TC right now, sooo.....Yeah there is literally no pleasing people. I've got threats and horrible name calling over me not liking that headcanon or shipping Blossom x Ivy. With those same exact things they tell me. I dunno what they got against me not agreeing with their headcanon. I like to stick to Canon for the most part. It's crazy! Over a fictional ship that I happen to love. It just made not like it even more. I don't understand how you could hate something fictional so much that you have to go ruin it for others? I wouldn't want that on anybody. |
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 23, 2018 1:02:49 GMT -5
The FernxIvy ship is not genuine. As I have said many times, it is forced. Fernsong only exists to worship her, which isn't TECHNICALLY healthy, even though he treats her good.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 23, 2018 1:05:02 GMT -5
It comes down to the fact that-- Ivypool is popularly headcanon as a butch lesbian in the fandom and people are bitter that she didn't end up with Blossomfall, which as a pairing is overly popular for no real reason tbh. The other reason is because people thought that if Ivypool became a mother she'd be ruined like characters such as Ferncloud, which the fandom notoriously complained about until the Erins killed her off. The other reasons are either pretty flimsy, or just personal issues with the pairing. Incest? Less than 1% yet no one complains about Dust getting it on with his niece for years, or Bramble dating his cousin, and Lionblaze almost making love to his aunt, don't worry Breezepelt did it instead. (And Lionblaze ironically still got with his cousin.) Age gap? Have you seen Leopardfoot and Pinestar? Thornclaw and Blossomfall? Also, they're cats, they're both adults, they do not care. Gender norms? So what? What's wrong with a father wanting to spend time with his own kits, thank god he's not a Spiderleg, and so what if Ivypool wants to be active during her time in the nursery, proves that her becoming a queen doesn't make her weak. Fernsong being Ivypool's arm candy??? Uhh, he's got more characterization than more than half of TC right now, sooo.....Yeah there is literally no pleasing people. I've got threats and horrible name calling over me not liking that headcanon or shipping Blossom x Ivy. With those same exact things they tell me. I dunno what they got against me not agreeing with their headcanon. I like to stick to Canon for the most part. It's crazy! Over a fictional ship that I happen to love. It just made not like it even more. I don't understand how you could hate something fictional so much that you have to go ruin it for others? I wouldn't want that on anybody. I ironically I got attacked last week on tumblr no less, over this crap. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 4:58:57 GMT -5
I've got threats and horrible name calling over me not liking that headcanon or shipping Blossom x Ivy. With those same exact things they tell me. I dunno what they got against me not agreeing with their headcanon. I like to stick to Canon for the most part. It's crazy! Over a fictional ship that I happen to love. It just made not like it even more. I don't understand how you could hate something fictional so much that you have to go ruin it for others? I wouldn't want that on anybody. I ironically I got attacked last week on tumblr no less, over this crap. Isn't Tumblr toxic though? Ive heard really bad experiences that's happened to people on there. I have a Tumblr but I'm too scared to use it because of that. It just sounds like a really bad website |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 5:03:11 GMT -5
I remember a time someone drew a character from Steven Universe (I think?) either skinny or big.. can't remember... apparently the artist got death threats because of it and it got so out of hand that someone who worked for the show (or at least was really high up there) told them to stop. Idk, I've just been afraid to use the site since I heard that. Apparently there's people fuming about Briarlight on there currently as well. It's just ridiculous.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 23, 2018 5:24:08 GMT -5
I understand the complaints, but if I'm being perfectly honest, I personally just stopped caring by this point. Do I wish FernxIvy had been handled better? Yes. But it's really not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. As a relationship alone, I actually always thought it was fine as a ship.
As for Tumblr, I actually feel like I'm the only one who has never encountered anything bad on that site. I mean, I've heard about the drama that goes on there, but I've never seen it myself, so I think it just depends on where you look.
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Post by wolfcry32 on Apr 23, 2018 5:50:53 GMT -5
I honestly didn’t care in the beginning. I thought it was cute, but not a ship I was particularly invested in. It was when I saw people attacking people for liking IvyFern instead of IvyBlossom that it became an issue.
Sorry that your ‘precious lesbians IvyBlossom uwu’ isn’t canon? Like, what more can be done about it.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 23, 2018 6:31:23 GMT -5
I remember a time someone drew a character from Steven Universe (I think?) either skinny or big.. can't remember... apparently the artist got death threats because of it and it got so out of hand that someone who worked for the show (or at least was really high up there) told them to stop. Idk, I've just been afraid to use the site since I heard that. Apparently there's people fuming about Briarlight on there currently as well. It's just ridiculous. Trust me, it's way worse now, 10x worse, after the Voltron fandom took it over a year or so ago, I won't even go into how horrible it's become since, trust me. If you do want to know, anyone of you can just pm me and I'll tell you tat way. |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 23, 2018 6:33:44 GMT -5
I understand the complaints, but if I'm being perfectly honest, I personally just stopped caring by this point. Do I wish FernxIvy had been handled better? Yes. But it's really not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. As a relationship alone, I actually always thought it was fine as a ship. As for Tumblr, I actually feel like I'm the only one who has never encountered anything bad on that site. I mean, I've heard about the drama that goes on there, but I've never seen it myself, so I think it just depends on where you look. You're probably not going to see the drama unless you're in more problematic fandoms such as Steven Universe, Undertale, and Voltron, the major ones on the site, especially that last one. But MLP, FNAF, and Homestuck were also known to be pretty toxic, just not as major as the other ones. Usually its easy to avoid the mess, if you avoid following big blogs, or going into popular tags. |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 23, 2018 6:36:17 GMT -5
I honestly didn’t care in the beginning. I thought it was cute, but not a ship I was particularly invested in. It was when I saw people attacking people for liking IvyFern instead of IvyBlossom that it became an issue. Sorry that your ‘precious lesbians IvyBlossom uwu’ isn’t canon? Like, what more can be done about it. Imo if people are gonna ship Ivypool with any she-cat it should have been Hollyleaf, at least there was a sense of admiration and respect between them, and one was willing to even die protecting the other. Blossomfall and Ivypool didn't even get along when they were younger, Blossomfall would compare Ivy to her sister all the time, and made her feel insecure. The only time they even start talking normally was when Blossom was neglected by her mom, and they had like one meaningful moment? In the tunnels when they almost died (and were ironically rescued by Hollyleaf). |
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Post by finland on Apr 23, 2018 7:03:45 GMT -5
The fandom seems to really like Fern X Ivy.
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Post by Moonblazer on Apr 23, 2018 7:08:54 GMT -5
The only way I'd even remotely ship IvyBlossom is if Thornclaw passes away and we get IvyFernBlossom OT3.
But I hope not anytime soon, because I love ThornBlossom and IvyFern on their own.
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Post by finland on Apr 23, 2018 7:09:50 GMT -5
I don't ship in the Warriors fandom anymore.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 23, 2018 7:13:14 GMT -5
The fandom seems to really like Fern X Ivy. Quite the opposite, the majority of the fandom hates the pairing, despite it being a mostly okay pairing. However, I think as of ROF it's gotten more supporters, etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 9:00:09 GMT -5
I remember a time someone drew a character from Steven Universe (I think?) either skinny or big.. can't remember... apparently the artist got death threats because of it and it got so out of hand that someone who worked for the show (or at least was really high up there) told them to stop. Idk, I've just been afraid to use the site since I heard that. Apparently there's people fuming about Briarlight on there currently as well. It's just ridiculous. I've heard of that, and I had no idea how low a fandom can go. Plus, Tumblr is mostly nothing more than a cesspool of SJWs and thin-skinned pansies. |
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Post by Amber on Apr 23, 2018 9:03:44 GMT -5
I remember a time someone drew a character from Steven Universe (I think?) either skinny or big.. can't remember... apparently the artist got death threats because of it and it got so out of hand that someone who worked for the show (or at least was really high up there) told them to stop. Idk, I've just been afraid to use the site since I heard that. Apparently there's people fuming about Briarlight on there currently as well. It's just ridiculous. I heard about that and it was the biggest reason why I didn't watch Steven Universe for a long while. Apparently the person drew the characters "too skinny" but taking a look at her art I could tell no difference between the way the characters look and the way she drew them other than the style. Seriously it was disgusting. |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 23, 2018 10:45:23 GMT -5
To be fair, the SU fandom, along with the FNAF one actually, has been improving, but imo I don't think that was the only sole incident that gave SU's fandom the toxic label either. I don't know if any of you guys know about the Steven x Peridot controversy. The pairing became popular cause of Peri's redemption, people insisted that Peri is a child gem, but the creators confirmed that all the gems are adults and Steven is just a kid. There was a lot of infighting, along with other ships like Pearl x Connie, another child/adult ship, and Pearl x Dewey or Greg, because Pearl is a confirmed lesbian pretty much. I don't think it got even worse until the Lapis x Peridot shippers and Amethyst x Peridot shippers had an all-out war on Lauren Zuke's twitter, one of the storyboard artist, until she deleted her account. It was horrid.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 11:01:46 GMT -5
I remember a time someone drew a character from Steven Universe (I think?) either skinny or big.. can't remember... apparently the artist got death threats because of it and it got so out of hand that someone who worked for the show (or at least was really high up there) told them to stop. Idk, I've just been afraid to use the site since I heard that. Apparently there's people fuming about Briarlight on there currently as well. It's just ridiculous. Trust me, it's way worse now, 10x worse, after the Voltron fandom took it over a year or so ago, I won't even go into how horrible it's become since, trust me. If you do want to know, anyone of you can just pm me and I'll tell you tat way. To be perfectly honest? I'm trying to avoid the negativity, so I prefer not hearing. Tumblr just sounds god awful, that site should just simply not exist. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 11:03:18 GMT -5
I remember a time someone drew a character from Steven Universe (I think?) either skinny or big.. can't remember... apparently the artist got death threats because of it and it got so out of hand that someone who worked for the show (or at least was really high up there) told them to stop. Idk, I've just been afraid to use the site since I heard that. Apparently there's people fuming about Briarlight on there currently as well. It's just ridiculous. I heard about that and it was the biggest reason why I didn't watch Steven Universe for a long while. Apparently the person drew the characters "too skinny" but taking a look at her art I could tell no difference between the way the characters look and the way she drew them other than the style. Seriously it was disgusting. As horrible as the incident was, I don't think a show should be judged because the fandom was disgusting. The people who created it sounds decent. Heard one of the creators stopped the whole incident by saying the person can draw the characters however they want, if I'm correct. |
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Post by Amber on Apr 23, 2018 11:10:41 GMT -5
I heard about that and it was the biggest reason why I didn't watch Steven Universe for a long while. Apparently the person drew the characters "too skinny" but taking a look at her art I could tell no difference between the way the characters look and the way she drew them other than the style. Seriously it was disgusting. As horrible as the incident was, I don't think a show should be judged because the fandom was disgusting. The people who created it sounds decent. Heard one of the creators stopped the whole incident by saying the person can draw the characters however they want, if I'm correct. That's fair. At the time, I just didn't want to deal with so much negativity within the fandom and wanted to stay away. I started watching the show about a year ago after all this happened and I don't regret doing it. But yes I remember the creators saying that and I'm glad they did. |
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