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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 19, 2018 15:10:26 GMT -5
IMO, Leafpool was in love with Mothwing (remember how many times Leafpool noted how pretty or beautiful Mothwing was?), and probably still is. She maybe even got with Crowfeather just to try and convince herself that she was straight. It was never confirmed if Leafpool had a thing for Mothwing, so that's why I'm putting it as a "what if". You can think of your friends as pretty or handsome without necessarily being interested in them. Also, you do realize that bisexuality is a thing, right? She could just be attracted to both toms and she-cats, although I always did like her female relationships more; not just with Mothwing, but with Cody and Sorreltail too.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jun 19, 2018 15:32:11 GMT -5
If MothPool were to become a thing I'd be the happiest ever.
But it's just a what-if so oh well.
The three wouldn't be born by her, which is the major one, thus Leafpool wouldn't have to guilt trip her sister alongside Starclan to raise them for her and ruin her relationship with Brambleclaw with that in the future, she wouldn't break the code in the worst way possible by having kits from a tom in another clan either. Yeah there's still the fact that she's a med cat and it'd be an interclan relationship with Moth but they'd also be able to get away with it a lot easier because they lack a sire as a pair and thus no kits would be involved, and Med. Cats see past boundaries lots of times because they're outside the Warrior code. Lots of odd things Med. Cats are seen doing are usually brushed off as being "Medicine Cat thing" (Like Jay and his stick, for instance), so they could probably have secret meetings and it'd probably be brushed off as that as well.
I could see them working, Leafpool has shown to have multiple good friendships with She-Cats (Sorreltail, Cody, and especially Mothwing) than toms as far as I've seen, and Crowfeather was kinda her feeling pity for him and it was out of nowhere. With Moth I feel like there was more potential for them as a well-working pair than what we got in canon. They showed chemistry and are actually really cute. Can't tell you how much I smiled whenever I read Leaf's PoV and see all the stuff talking about how "Beautiful" Mothwing is. I know you can call your friends on a normal day beautiful yes, but it has me wondering if the Erins' original intent was to make her a lesbian before the Crowfeather stuff came around for the plot and due to restrictions.
Who knows, but the hints are all there.
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pumastar
Cats are behind all world events
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Post by pumastar on Jun 19, 2018 22:08:58 GMT -5
Im adressing the leafpool mothwing relationship. First cats dont have lesbian relationships. (Thats a scientific fact) Just thought i'd let you know that they would never fall in love.^because of the before mentioned scientific fact.
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pumastar
Cats are behind all world events
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Post by pumastar on Jun 19, 2018 22:11:53 GMT -5
Cats dont have Lesbian relationships(Scientific Fact) So Mothwing and Leafpool would never fall in love.
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 19, 2018 22:18:11 GMT -5
pumastar, you didn't have to post it twice, you know. Second of all, this is a What If thread, and the series and never been accurate to real cats anyway. And third of all, your claim isn't even accurate. What is a scientific fact however is that animals have indeed been reported to mate with those of the same gender, and this includes cats, at least as far as domestic ones are concerned, and I don't see why it would be any different for feral cats.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jun 19, 2018 22:19:47 GMT -5
Im adressing the leafpool mothwing relationship. First cats dont have lesbian relationships. (Thats a scientific fact)Just thought i'd let you know that they would never fall in love.^because of the before mentioned scientific fact. Yeah uh... don't do this shiz. These characters are anthropomorphized to a large extent. If RavenBarley, a canon gay pair, can exist in these books, then lesbian cats can as well. Plus it's not a scientific fact. That's not even true. If anything is a scientific fact, it's that lots of animals of the real world have been documented to have shown homosexual behavior, dolphins, penguins, lions which are just big cat species, even dogs, and cats are no different as they CAN be very affectionate with eachother in both genders of the same one. XXY Toms of the calico/tortie variety can at times act very feminine to the point they're mistaken to be mollies to other toms and act in heat (Even having no issue with being mounted by other toms if you really want me to go there, there's a rather informative article on the messybeast site about a XXY male calico that was exactly like this actually!), pairs of both genders will cuddle (And I really mean cuddle, just watch a YT vid by searching 'cats cuddling' or two) and groom eachother no problem if they're used to eachother, mollies will co-parent kittens and are pretty caring of eachother; for ex. I've seen two mollies, both feral, in a TNR program co-parenting both their final litters, One of them even bringing the babies to the other at some point because they don't watch them without the other and I've never seen a pair of mothers more affectionate and loving towards eachother. Cats of both genders can be very affectionate to eachother, showing behavior that can be classed as homosexual to us humans. And in Warriors, where cats DO fall in love and HAVE MONOGAMOUS RELATIONSHIPS for the most part, that point is rendered moot. So... plz don't
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Post by vectoring34 on Jun 19, 2018 22:57:56 GMT -5
Cats also usually don't return from the dead
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Post by Brindlefern on Jun 20, 2018 7:06:25 GMT -5
Cats also usually don't return from the dead Or have complex social hierarchies within their colonies, or use herbal medicine, or have a proper religion that they can communicate with, or have to deal with prophecies/omens on the near daily. It's always funny that some people will be alright with Warriors having these, but the moment gay cats come as a factor they are like "Nope, nuh-uh it's not realistic" and claim that as fact even though it's proven to be much more realistic than everything before listed.
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pumastar
Cats are behind all world events
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Post by pumastar on Jun 20, 2018 20:41:17 GMT -5
House cats of the same gender have never had intercourse. The few cases that do exist is a cat oddity that has both bodyparts the male and the female part or mixed up hormones which mean their not a 100% male . This is rare circumstance but is becoming more common due to micro evolution. Just search do house cats of the same gender have intercourse. Notice Im sticking to housecats not lions or other big cats. Thats because warriors are wild housecats. And mating is producing kits so cats of the same Gender cant mate even lions though they can have intercourse. Sidenote I didnt mean to post it twice but I couldnt find my first post so I assumed it lost terminated and wrote a another one. I wasnt trying to be rude. Now Im not trying to put you down and I enjoy the conversation. Please prove me wrong if you can.
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pumastar
Cats are behind all world events
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Post by pumastar on Jun 20, 2018 20:47:31 GMT -5
Cats also usually don't return from the dead Or have complex social hierarchies within their colonies, or use herbal medicine, or have a proper religion that they can communicate with, or have to deal with prophecies/omens on the near daily. It's always funny that some people will be alright with Warriors having these, but the moment gay cats come as a factor they are like "Nope, nuh-uh it's not realistic" and claim that as fact even though it's proven to be much more realistic than everything before listed. Im following what is written in the books so far I realize these series tries to stay realistic to the real world so we cant talk to cats so who knows what they think? However due to scientific knowledge we can say with reasonable sureness that gay cats dont exist tomcats with this problem have been noted having female and male organs or mixed up hormones. Which is not truly gay as their not truly 100% male. Im just sharing what I think and if you find flaws with what i'm saying please write back.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jun 20, 2018 20:59:47 GMT -5
Or have complex social hierarchies within their colonies, or use herbal medicine, or have a proper religion that they can communicate with, or have to deal with prophecies/omens on the near daily. It's always funny that some people will be alright with Warriors having these, but the moment gay cats come as a factor they are like "Nope, nuh-uh it's not realistic" and claim that as fact even though it's proven to be much more realistic than everything before listed. Im following what is written in the books so far I realize these series tries to stay realistic to the real world so we cant talk to cats so who knows what they think? However due to scientific knowledge we can say with reasonable sureness that gay cats dont exist tomcats with this problem have been noted having female and male organs or mixed up hormones. Which is not truly gay as their not truly 100% male. Im just sharing what I think and if you find flaws with what i'm saying please write back. Dude, bruh, there's stuff that cats do IRL that isn't shown in these books (Even stuff I'm glad that doesn't exist in this verse as well), and a lot of stuff these books do that feral cats IRL DON'T do. These books do NOT stay realistic. You quoted my comment listing why that isn't the case. You should know that Warriors is FAR from staying realistic to rl feral cat colonies. Also Warriors are NOT "wild housecats". At least not entirely. At most they're FERAL cats, feral cat colonies are a thing that exist you know. "However due to scientific knowledge we can say with reasonable sureness that gay cats dont exist tomcats with this problem have been noted having female and male organs or mixed up hormones. Which is not truly gay as their not truly 100% male."
Did you not read my previous comment? Cats HAVE SHOWN HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR before. Get this "It's scientifically proven that cats can't be gay" shiz out of here because I literally listed all the behaviors cats do that could be considered homosexual. Calico and Tortie toms are still biologically male (Albeit sterile 99% of the time) and have acted in heat and have no issue mating with other toms at times. Heck, they don't even have to be calico/torties to show that submissive behavior even. I don't think you know what is scientific and what is your own opinion. I'm not saying I do either, but these books have made me research cats more than I usually do because it got me interested. I don't appreciate this "Know it all" stuff you're trying to pull, tbh. If you're gonna claim something as fact, check to see if what you're saying is really FACT first. Again, cats in THESE BOOKS CAN BE GAY. RavenBarley exists and is a gay couple. Tallstar is literally confirmed gay because he has no interest in she-cats and loves Jake, the list would go on and would be more obvious if it wasn' for the fact that the Erins aren't allowed to do so. Seriously just stop. This isn't what this thread is for and honestly this is just making me more annoyed/mad than anything.
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 20, 2018 21:11:32 GMT -5
Thanks, Brindlefern. You took the words right out of my mouth. And during Pride Month, too? Seriously? When I made this thread, I had expected for people to suspend their disbelief for the sake of each new topic. I refuse to tolerate this sort of behavior on a thread I made just for fun.
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pumastar
Cats are behind all world events
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Post by pumastar on Jun 20, 2018 21:41:21 GMT -5
Il leave this thread alone but I have given you actual evidence and facts that Ive looked up. If you can find any information that I can read private message me. So far you've given me no actual evidence besides your word just search up these questions and see if you can find actual scientific websites to back them. I have for my statements. Im not putting you down so why put me down im merely sharing what I think. But as Serenity has made this thread Il leave it alone. And for the question, being in 2 clans directly across the lake and having to give up being a medicine cat I dont think niether Mothwing or Leafpool would do it.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jun 20, 2018 21:49:55 GMT -5
Il leave this thread alone but I have given you actual evidence and facts that Ive looked up. If you can find any information that I can read private message me. So far you've given me no actual evidence besides your word just search up these questions and see if you can find actual scientific websites to back them. I have for my statements. Im not putting you down so why put me down im merely sharing what I think. But as Serenity has made this thread Il leave it alone. And for the question, being in 2 clans directly across the lake and having to give up being a medicine cat I dont think niether Mothwing or Leafpool would do it. It's called google. If you want your evidence, all you have to do is quick search that. It's... literally not that hard. I'm not PMing you because it'd just go nowhere and you'd just tell me that it's not true. But seriously... google is your friend, use it please... If you're just gonna keep saying that what I've gotten from Messybeast, a site where the cat-care section of it is full on basic care information and rather informative stuff about cat genetics and behaviors, YT vids of actual cats cuddling and mollies co-parenting and showing strong affection to one another, and whathaveyou, then I don't know what to say to convince you at all since you're so stubborn. :/// This conversation is honestly just making me angry because this is literally not getting anywhere. So I'm just gonna leave it at that and assume you're a troll or something. If you're not even gonna try to do the research, there's no point in me explaining it to you in alphabetical order sotospeak. Sorry to Mothflight for getting a little caught up in this as well, hope you can forgive me on that. ^^'
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 20, 2018 22:01:59 GMT -5
Buddy...pal...do I have something for you to read.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 20, 2018 22:10:16 GMT -5
Also, I think it's funny that someone seriously went out of their way and made a sock account just to spread hate on a "what if" thread about fictional gay cats, seriously? How much time of your life do you enjoy wasting.
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pumastar
Cats are behind all world events
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Post by pumastar on Jun 20, 2018 22:12:31 GMT -5
Since u want to keep using serenities thread for this discussion I will say weres your evidence? That link is list of homosexual animals yet shows no proof just a list! I find this fustrating for if you want me to consider your opinion you must show me proof! I dont know how to link stuff but look up feline perrversions on the web. It explains why cats have gay relationship (well it lists one example which is more than you came up with.) Those 2 boy cats didnt do it just beacuse they wanted too. You can hate on me but I am just responding when you say I no proof.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 20, 2018 22:15:37 GMT -5
You seem like the type of guy that walks up to people and asks for their hard earned money instead of getting a job you're fully capable of doing yourself to make your own money.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 20, 2018 22:26:25 GMT -5
I'm guessing you're also unaware of people that get rid of their cats, and dogs, from their homes just because they display homosexual behavior, in some instances even wanting them put down. Also being "gay" isn't only about reproducing, and things like that, it's about companionship. Plenty of cats have found companionship in the same gender as themselves, and some just happen to also try mating/mounting as well. It's a thing, it happens with plenty of animals, not just cats, dogs, etc. Just because you don't see it happening with your own eyes doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It is literally not that hard to comprehend that two cats can have a gay companionship with one another, just like humans, even if it isn't 100% the same, and it won't be because they're cats. The fact that you're trying to argue against this, on a thread about FICTIONAL cats, it beyond ridiculous. How about doing your own research and educating yourself before coming at other people's necks for what they enjoy. And fyi, if Crow and Leaf were willing to abandon everything and run away with one another I highly doubt Leaf and Moth couldn't have done the same thing. Study the Schrodinger cat theory while you're at it, cause you must not know that multiple realities exist either, oh boy. If you think fictional gay cats is too much, the SC Theory will blow your little mind.
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Post by Sand on Jun 20, 2018 22:34:34 GMT -5
pumastar - The creator of this thread, 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵, told you (kindly) this: Therefore, you should have stopped discussing the topic on their thread as their post asked you to stop the discussion and leave things be. Whether you are trolling or not, I ask that you stop posting on this thread as you have upset members. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions or concerns. Thank you.
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 29, 2018 5:01:08 GMT -5
Thanks, Sand. As for everyone else, sorry for the delay. I've been thinking all weel whether or not I should even continue with these, considering what happened last week. So, new one's up, though I'm not sure if there'll be anymore after this, though I'll probably just eventually remake it if I abandon this anyway.
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 29, 2018 5:20:53 GMT -5
Sparkly, please actually read the description instead of just the title. This is in a scenario if Silverstream had lived and taken Graystripe's place in being captured.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 29, 2018 11:05:22 GMT -5
That would be interesting? But considering the dedication between Gray and Silver, she'd either just be a female!Graystripe and still look to Graystripe. On the other hand, she is more mature than Graystripe, so I don't doubt she'd still give Millie attention and still have feelings for her. So if anything the situation would probably be more like Turtle x Gray x Slate, but in this case Siver is Gray Wing, lol.
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 5, 2018 12:48:31 GMT -5
I decided to continue this, but I've added some rules. So, new one up!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 12:51:07 GMT -5
That would be fun to see!!!
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Post by vectoring34 on Jul 5, 2018 19:04:02 GMT -5
I mean, imo it already can in canon, it's just that cats in Starclan aren't stupid enough to wander in there for long enough to become twisted.
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 12, 2018 21:39:57 GMT -5
New one up!
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 15, 2018 23:02:00 GMT -5
New one up!
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