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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 14, 2018 20:21:59 GMT -5
New one up!
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 21:28:08 GMT -5
Get Garbagefur away from my cinnamon roll. Leafpool deserves better.
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on May 14, 2018 21:49:16 GMT -5
Eww no!
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Post by suicunetobigaara on May 14, 2018 22:38:17 GMT -5
I am not sure if Ashfur would want to run away like Crowfeather did, but it would likely result in the same way if he did. Ashfur would be overly pushy, and I think it might take some time before Leafpool stands up for herself and ends it, especially since they are in the same clan. I am unsure if Ashfur would go... quite the way he did as he was with Squirrelflight, since Leafpool doesn't move on and just stays in her role. He might vow to be mates with her in Starclan and keep creepily staring at her, or he might accept the clan needs a medicine cat and be fine. If he goes a similar direction as he did with Squirrelflight, he might target Firestar like he did before, and Squirrelflight herself, just to hurt Leafpool. I am not sure how he would react if he found out Lionblaze, Jayfeather, and Hollyleaf are his (this is if Leafpool has those three with Ashfur), but he would likely be proud and his possible lack of rejection might mean Hollyleaf doesn't kill anyone, but I am sure Ashfur (if he is mad at Leaf) would foster their hatred towards her. If he isn't mad a her, he might want to get to know Lion, Jay and Holly.
In any scenario, I don't see Leafpool leaving her Medicine Cat position for long. She would always pick Thunderclan over love.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 23:15:25 GMT -5
Bear with me, I'm bored, haven't written in months, and I wanted to put down my own AU version of this if Ashfur got together with Leafpool.
I imagine Ashfur would actually want to run away from the Clan to get away with Squirrelflight, or anything that reminds him of her. I think this is partly why he never truly moved on from her, because they lived in the same Clan, it would be hard for him to move on. He was probably put on the same patrol with her a few times, and it doesn't help that they both sleep in the same warriors' den.
And considering Leafpool was pretty much a doormat with Crowfeather, I imagine Ashfur would be the same.. but he'd be worse. Ashfur would be more possessive of Leafpool (fearing that he didn't want to lose another cat he loved) and possibly even controlling. I don't think he'd genuinely love her, but he'd feel something for her. Obsessive love, perhaps? Infatuation? I'm not sure.
This is how I imagine it would be like if Leafpool tried to return to ThunderClan, though. Shortly after Spottedleaf tells her to follow her heart:
After receiving the advice from Spottedleaf, Leafpool knew she had to return to ThunderClan. Her heart belonged to ThunderClan as a medicine cat, not Ashfur. Her heart was filled with sadness; she wanted to be happy with someone, but the promise she made to her Clan was too great. She promised she'd be a medicine cat, and she eventually realized that she couldn't take a mate. Pain seared her heart; Leafpool knew that she had to tell Ashfur they both had to return to ThunderClan. But she trusted Ashfur enough to respect her choice.
Leafpool turned to Ashfur, who was eating a mouse next to her. The medicine cat's voice trembled as she mewed, "Ashfur, I have something important to say." Ashfur looked up from his meal. "What is it, Leafpool?" His blue eyes were full of concern.
"I think we need to return to ThunderClan," Leafpool fretted. She could feel danger coming. She knew that ThunderClan needed her as a medicine cat. She wasn't sure why, but she felt that ThunderClan was going to lose someone very important, and she needed to return soon so she can help. "We... we shouldn't have left." This is so hard, she thought. "I have made a promise to be loyal to my Clan, and I have broken it. You made a promise too," she murmured. "We both betrayed our Clans by leaving. I.. I think we should go back. I sense danger coming."
For a moment, Ashfur didn't reply. He kept staring at his half-eaten mouse; it felt like moons passed before he was able to reply, and it wasn't what she had expected.
"No." Ashfur's voice was cold. "We are not going to return to ThunderClan."
Leafpool felt shocked. "What? But Ashfur, they're our Clan! ThunderClan needs us."
"What about me? I need you." Ashfur's voice was filled with pain, which made Leafpool feel guilty.
"I know," Leafpool murmured. "But we'll still be in the same Clan. I'll still be able to visit you and talk to you. It's not like we'll be apart from different Clans."
"You're missing the point," Ashfur snarled, standing up now. Leafpool noticed that his claws were unsheathed; suddenly he looked like a completely different cat, not the same one she knew before. His eyes were cold and his ears were flat, teeth bared in to a snarl. "I've always wanted a mate, but clearly I can't have that. And now you're going to betray me for Squirrelflight's Clan."
Leafpool was about to speak, but Ashfur beat her to it. "No one understood the pain I felt when Squirrelflight left me. She didn't love me; she loved Brambleclaw. But I feel sorry for him, honestly. He fell for a faithless she-cat."
The insult against her sister made Leafpool's belly boil. Her fur bristled and she snarled, "I never knew you would be so awful, Ashfur! Squirrelflight is my sister. How could you insult her in front of me like that?" She lashed her tail. "You know, if you had such a problem with my sister, why couldn't you have talked to her about it?"
Leafpool turned away. "I've heard enough. I will not tolerate someone who disrespects me and my sister. I'm returning to ThunderClan. You can stay, but I need to go." The medicine cat was about to leave until she felt a heavy weight land on her body; she collapsed to the ground with a grunt.
"You are staying with me." Ashfur's voice was cold, and his claws dug deep into her skin. Leafpool trembled with horror. "Squirrelflight made me suffer when she didn't want to be my mate. Now I will make her suffer by forcing you to stay with me!" The tom got up and released her, but he still had his claws unsheathed. Leafpool was absolutely terrified of the cold, hard gaze as Ashfur stared at her.
"You will stay with me," Ashfur threatened, lashing his tail. "If you leave, I'll kill you, and your sister. Squirrelflight deserves to suffer for what she has done."
Leafpool swallowed; she knew she couldn't leave. Yet she felt the tug to be with ThunderClan, because she knew something bad was going to happen. The she-cat trembled with fear and, with a small squeak, she mewed, "All right, Ashfur." She was stuck with Ashfur, and there was nothing she could do about it.
EDIT: Darn. Spoilers isn't working.
Oh jeez. Stuff like this happens when I'm bored at 9 pm, lol.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 23:18:55 GMT -5
I don't know why the spoilers is showing like that. :/ I can't fix it. Oh well.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 15, 2018 13:51:30 GMT -5
Mmm this is interesting because pre-developed Leafpool is a doormat, she pretty much goes along with a lot of things, and Ashfur is more overprotective and tries to take charge. The pairing could work from a theoretical standpoint, but I prefer White x Ash, Leafpool shouldn't have a mate period.
At worse, it'll be a watered down version of Yellowfang x Raggedstar, where Ashfur probably guilt trips Leafpool everytime she tries to end things, but doesn't show any real aggression until she finally puts her paw down and tries to reject him. Ashfur doesn't seem like the type to act on abusive tendencies normally like Raggedstar did, but he's more prone to doing if upon rejection, which seems to be the trigger. I also feel like he'd be proud of his kits, even if they were by a medicine cat, and try to openly encourage what they made together, trying to justify they did nothing wrong, maybe like Mapleshade did for a while, at least internally in her thoughts. In a way, Ashfur would be unintentionally emotionally manipulative, but I think in the heart, he's a good cat, just not mentally stable for an unusual relationship like that. Which is why a more normal down to Earth cat, like Whitewing, who is chill, and not "special" like Squirrelflight, suits him better.
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 17, 2018 21:18:34 GMT -5
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 21, 2018 21:33:51 GMT -5
New one up!
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 26, 2018 15:26:24 GMT -5
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 28, 2018 1:06:26 GMT -5
New one up!
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 1:19:57 GMT -5
Oh god, no. That role is much more suiting for Ivypool. I prefer Dovewing to be a softer character.
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Post by Brindlefern on May 28, 2018 3:11:57 GMT -5
Dovewing doesn't seem like the kind of cat to do that. Pretty much what Aqua said, she comes off as a more softer character and I doubt she'd dare join a cult plotting against her clan. She had enough on her shoulders to deal with at the time as is.
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Post by vectoring34 on May 28, 2018 9:27:06 GMT -5
She's too soft and would probably end up getting herself killed.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 12:35:27 GMT -5
She's too soft and would probably end up getting herself killed. either that or she'd end up becoming a complete nervous wreck like ravenpaw. in the end she'd probably end up running away to become a kittypet
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on May 29, 2018 0:05:15 GMT -5
She'd make out with Tigerheart.
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 3, 2018 23:47:18 GMT -5
New one up!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 11:04:43 GMT -5
Yeah I don’t think anyone would approve though. Maybe it could be a secret romance.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jun 4, 2018 11:21:34 GMT -5
I don't think folks wouldn't approve tbh, ya know, unless you're Harper Collins and ever overly protective parent in existance. But not counting that... In the case of canon? I doubt these cats would give a dang if it happened anyways. They're cats. I mean those two are so close bonded you'd probably think they were together anyways. I myself wouldn't mind. Though I'd personally rather GrayFireSand any day of the week because I ain't picking between 'what-if' or canon. Haha.
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Post by Rainshadow on Jun 4, 2018 15:51:47 GMT -5
I once read a very good and interesting AU where FireGray became a thing and it was done in a very subtle way. I really liked it in that fanfic. The author started a TNP sequel too but sadly never got far in it. Too bad because obviously a lot would change from the OS point onwards, what with Squirrelflight and Leafpool never existing, and further along Jayfeather, Lionblaze, Hollyleaf, Alderheart and Sparkpelt, as well as their kits. Every cat descended from Firestar wouldn't exist and considering their importance in later prophecies, obviously a lot would change. I suppose Jay's Wing and Lion's Roar would be reborn in other kits. If keeping with Firestar kin, then perhaps through Cloudtail or even somehow Princess? Or Scourge's daughter lol.Ivypool might even be part of the three then?
Oh right, depending on when it will happen SilverGray may not happen either so no Feathertail and Stormfur (I believe in the fic I read they were born because FireGray happened after Silverstream's death). No Blossomfall, Briarlight and Bumblestripe either (well at least DoveBumble can't happen then) unless Graystripe is unfaithful to Firestar during his journey to the lake with Millie. Graystripe's capture would extra dramatic of course (Firestar already said that if it weren't for the Clan he would've waited forever). I wonder, would Firestar have made Graystripe deputy again upo his return in this case? And if so, would that affect Brambleclaw's loyalty? Also, Ashfur wouldn't have done anything either. So, perhaps then maybe Brambleclaw and Hawkfrost would plan the trap together?
As to the Clan's reaction, I remember that in the short TNP bit the Clan seemed a bit uncomfortable whenever Firestar and Graystripe showed affection for each other but other then that they accepted it. Which would be the case I think. I mean whether a tom has no mate or a tom for a mate is basically the same anyway.
Quite interesting really how much this 'what if' would change. Every time something new pops up.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jun 4, 2018 16:03:23 GMT -5
*Snip, but I read it all* It really is amazing (And crazy) how much would change if even the slightest thing in canon is different.
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Post by Rainshadow on Jun 5, 2018 12:28:18 GMT -5
*Snip, but I read it all* It really is amazing (And crazy) how much would change if even the slightest thing in canon is different. Especially anything messing with Firestar's direct bloodline. Other changes too but it's the most obvious there, I suppose.
I don't think folks wouldn't approve tbh, ya know, unless you're Harper Collins and ever overly protective parent in existance. But not counting that... In the case of canon? I doubt these cats would give a dang if it happened anyways. They're cats. I mean those two are so close bonded you'd probably think they were together anyways. I myself wouldn't mind. Though I'd personally rather GrayFireSand any day of the week because I ain't picking between 'what-if' or canon. Haha. Choosing GrayFireSand is almost the same as choosing canon anyway ;p
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Post by mapleshade86 on Jun 5, 2018 18:48:18 GMT -5
A lot of characters would never have been born, like Leafpool, Squirrelflight, Stormfur, Jayfeather, etc.
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 12, 2018 23:01:47 GMT -5
New one up!
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 13, 2018 7:04:28 GMT -5
Or, ya know, he could get a surrogate queen.
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Post by suicunetobigaara on Jun 14, 2018 20:53:30 GMT -5
I am not sure if Ashfur would want to run away like Crowfeather did, but it would likely result in the same way if he did. Ashfur would be overly pushy, and I think it might take some time before Leafpool stands up for herself and ends it, especially since they are in the same clan. I am unsure if Ashfur would go... quite the way he did as he was with Squirrelflight, since Leafpool doesn't move on and just stays in her role. He might vow to be mates with her in Starclan and keep creepily staring at her, or he might accept the clan needs a medicine cat and be fine. If he goes a similar direction as he did with Squirrelflight, he might target Firestar like he did before, and Squirrelflight herself, just to hurt Leafpool. I am not sure how he would react if he found out Lionblaze, Jayfeather, and Hollyleaf are his (this is if Leafpool has those three with Ashfur), but he would likely be proud and his possible lack of rejection might mean Hollyleaf doesn't kill anyone, but I am sure Ashfur (if he is mad at Leaf) would foster their hatred towards her. If he isn't mad a her, he might want to get to know Lion, Jay and Holly. In any scenario, I don't see Leafpool leaving her Medicine Cat position for long. She would always pick Thunderclan over love. You put a instead of at. -GP I blame my phone.
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Post by Rainshadow on Jun 16, 2018 2:49:18 GMT -5
Jake joining WindClan is one of my fav 'What if' scenario's! I guess the changes would depend on when he joins. If he joins at the same time Talltail returns to WindClan it could potentially mess with the Firestar bloodline again and thus have a huge impact on the entire series. (I am not certain about the time frame for Tallstar's Revenge but I assume Rusty couldn't have been conceived by then?). If Rusty had been conceived by then, then I think WindClan would be even more friendly towards him, which might reflect badly on Tallstar. Tallstar is already biased when it comes to Firestar but if his own Clan notices he's favouring ThunderClan because his mate's son is there then I can imagine that would bring trouble. Maybe some cats will claim he doesn't have WindClan's needs as his top priority anymore and is thus unfit to be leader? Maybe Deadstar could happen and Tallstar becomes Talltail again? But then, Deadstar would not be able to receive all his lives of course. I don't think Tallstar would make Jake his deputy and if he did try, then I think Jake would kindly decline the honour.
As for Jake joining WindClan itself: I think, considering WindClan's history with the visitors at that time + Talltail vouching for him, his acceptance would go perhaps smoother than Firestar's. The other Clans would look down on it tho, no doubt, but if Jake proves himself then it might indeed make things easier for young Firepaw to be accepted.
The scenario I have in mind of when Jake joins WindClan is actually not when Talltail returns home but later on. Jake seemed to love his housefolk so unless something happened to them, I doubt he'd be inclined to leave. But I can imagine if his owner died or otherwise becomes unable to take care of Jake that then Jake would seek out Talltail and Talltail would, of course, never send his dear friend away. If this happened when Tallstar was already leader, it would definitely raise some questions as I think he never really told anyone about Jake (except maybe Barkface) no-one would understand why Tallstar was so eager to have this random kittypet join them. They'd be even more surprised when they become mates (for them, completely out of the blue).
I wonder if Jake would take on a new name? I don't think Tallstar would force him to do so but his Clanmates would expect it, I think. But would Jake be willing to give up the name his beloved housefolk gave him? Hmm, I think he might be reluctant to do so but would allow it to make things easier for Tallstar. Besides, if Tallstar will be the one giving him his new name, he wouldn't mind as much. Tallstar would probably name him something super beautiful or sappy or something xd (Or just something like Blaze-, Flame-, Fire-(lol))
Also, Tallstar would train Jake personally, if only so they get to spent more time alone together. Of course, I can imagine this would not be to the liking of some but hey Bluestar personally trained Firepaw as well so he could pull it off too.
Sorry if this was a bit incoherent and rambly but I could go on really. Like I said, I love this 'What if' a LOT.^^
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 18, 2018 22:40:03 GMT -5
New one up!
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Post by alphayamergo on Jun 18, 2018 22:56:43 GMT -5
what do you mean, 'what if'
I guess Squirrelflight would have gotten pregnant a lot earlier and Jayfeather, Hollyleaf and Lionblaze would have been hers biologically.
I don't think Leafpool would ever leave her position as medicine cat permanently, no matter who she might fall in love with, and I suspect Mothwing wouldn't either. So they might be especially close, but I think mostly there would just be lots of mutual pining.
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Post by Firestorm on Jun 19, 2018 14:56:31 GMT -5
IMO, Leafpool was in love with Mothwing (remember how many times Leafpool noted how pretty or beautiful Mothwing was?), and probably still is. She maybe even got with Crowfeather just to try and convince herself that she was straight.
If they had gotten together, I could easily see them in a lasting secret relationship. They would maybe both feel bad for still breaking the code twice -- med cats and different Clans -- but they would say things like, "it's okay because we're medicine cats; we're outside the warrior code" and they'd say they're just close because they're both med cats. Mothwing maybe wouldn't even feel bad due to her lack of faith. Everyone knows they've always been good friends, so I don't think anyone would question it. They'd totally go off on secret meetings all the time, and no one would really have a reason to be suspicious. Just good ol' medicine cat business.
What if all this had happened before Leafpool got with Crowfeather? The Three wouldn't have been born, at least not as we know them. I guess it would have been up to Squirrelflight and Whitewing to have The Three (Sparkpelt, Dovewing, & Ivypool maybe). If Leafpool and Mothwing got together after The Three were born, I can see Leafpool confiding the truth in Mothwing, and then otherwise things probably would have happened as they did in the books.
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