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Post by Brindleface on Jun 6, 2017 13:47:56 GMT -5
In my opinion it's the same as having a month about being proud if you're English, Spanish, Mexican, Chinese and Japanese, ect., and include all races but one in it. And I believe Christians have Christmas instead, unlike in this situation. Also I was only relating it to this forum because, like I said before, these are young, impressionable people who are being excluded in a forum and world-wide event. It's easy enough to avoid it if you feel left out or uncomfortable in real life, which I believe is why no schools or the like would do anything like this... Black pride month is a thing my dude. straight pride month is every month. if u feel left out bc ppl r celebrating who they r that's kinda :/ ur school point doesn't make sense to me since a lot of ppl who r opening lgbt+ in high school r bullied. and tons of schools have lgbt+ clubs anyways so idk what ur trying to say I know, and like said on the original discussion of this topic when it was announced, I agree it is also a bit unfair, but the point is that they're not excluding one, they're only including one, which is how most of these celebrations usually go. And, contrary to the apparently popular belief, no, straight pride is not every month. It's not like a "whenever they aren't celebrating and being proud of themselves we'll start being proud of ourselves." It doesn't work like that. Using your example from before, it's like saying every day of the year besides Hanukkah is Christmas. It just doesn't work unless it's actually a thing and people are celebrating it. And clubs are different. Again, if it makes you uncomfortable and feel excluded, you can easily avoid it. It's not like the club goes around it a big group glaring at straight people or giving them thumbs up or anything else all day. And I don't mean that to be rude or relate something like that to this, just to say that people can be ignorant if they choose, or, more appropriately, aren't allowed to be included. ^^'
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Post by argyle lechuga on Jun 6, 2017 13:54:25 GMT -5
Black pride month is a thing my dude. straight pride month is every month. if u feel left out bc ppl r celebrating who they r that's kinda :/ ur school point doesn't make sense to me since a lot of ppl who r opening lgbt+ in high school r bullied. and tons of schools have lgbt+ clubs anyways so idk what ur trying to say I know, and like said on the original discussion of this topic when it was announced, I agree it is also a bit unfair, but the point is that they're not excluding one, they're only including one, which is how most of these celebrations usually go. And, contrary to the apparently popular belief, no, straight pride is not every month. It's not like a "whenever they aren't celebrating and being proud of themselves we'll start being proud of ourselves." It doesn't work like that. Using your example from before, it's like saying every day of the year besides Hanukkah is Christmas. It just doesn't work unless it's actually a thing and people are celebrating it. And clubs are different. Again, if it makes you uncomfortable and feel excluded, you can easily avoid it. It's not like the club goes around it a big group glaring at straight people all day. And I don't mean that to be rude or relate something like that to this, just to say that people can be ignorant if they choose, or, more appropriately, aren't allowed to be included. ^^' what i mean by "straight pride month is every month" is that on a normal day-to-day basis most lgbt+ people cannot show society that they are who they are without fear of being subjected to intolerance. straight people do not have to deal with this. lgbt pride month is a time when lgbt people act the same way as straight people do in society. straight people do not need a banner flat bc in day to day life it's assumed by society that everyone is straight. that's why it is not intolerant of lgbt+ people to have flags. and if u r still against this it's only a month man. then the LGBT community will stop being as openly visible in society and everything can go back to the heteronormative way it was before.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 13:54:34 GMT -5
I just want at least one month to my little gay self. I don't wanna see any "good uwu ally" straighties for once. ... why does noone else acknowledge how rude this is? yeah ur one of the straighties i dont wanna see this month bye lol if me saying I don't wanna see any straight people who constantly clamor that they're good allies just to get "good points" this month is rude, then imagine how rude it is when people call me, a lesbian, slurs just because I'm a wlw.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 13:59:10 GMT -5
... why does noone else acknowledge how rude this is? yeah ur one of the straighties i dont wanna see this month bye lol if me saying I don't wanna see any straight people who constantly clamor that they're good allies just to get "good points" this month is rude, then imagine how rude it is when people call me, a lesbian, slurs just because I'm a wlw. Calm down, being rude isn't gonna solve this. Look, I'm a lesbian too, and I find the "begging for straight pride flags" a little annoying but being rude never solved anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 13:59:45 GMT -5
... why does noone else acknowledge how rude this is? yeah ur one of the straighties i dont wanna see this month bye lol if me saying I don't wanna see any straight people who constantly clamor that they're good allies just to get "good points" this month is rude, then imagine how rude it is when people call me, a lesbian, slurs just because I'm a wlw. alright well be sure to have a great day and i apologize for being straight and supporting the lgbt+ community at the same time. my fault.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 14:00:12 GMT -5
yeah ur one of the straighties i dont wanna see this month bye lol if me saying I don't wanna see any straight people who constantly clamor that they're good allies just to get "good points" this month is rude, then imagine how rude it is when people call me, a lesbian, slurs just because I'm a wlw. alright well be sure to have a great day and i apologize for being straight and supporting the lgbt+ community at the same time. my fault. ok bye
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 14:01:50 GMT -5
yeah ur one of the straighties i dont wanna see this month bye lol if me saying I don't wanna see any straight people who constantly clamor that they're good allies just to get "good points" this month is rude, then imagine how rude it is when people call me, a lesbian, slurs just because I'm a wlw. Calm down, being rude isn't gonna solve this. Look, I'm a lesbian too, and I find the "begging for straight pride flags" a little annoying but being rude never solved anything. Okay I respect you but. yawn I'm getting tired of this
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 14:03:01 GMT -5
Calm down, being rude isn't gonna solve this. Look, I'm a lesbian too, and I find the "begging for straight pride flags" a little annoying but being rude never solved anything. Okay I respect you but. yawn I'm getting tired of this someone literally just sent me a pm saying I'm a bully because of this and I don't know why
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 14:04:11 GMT -5
Okay I respect you but. yawn I'm getting tired of this someone literally just sent me a pm saying I'm a bully because of this and I don't know why I'm laughing did they really.. like who is it. You're not "bullying" me jkkfldjflsdk
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 14:05:05 GMT -5
someone literally just sent me a pm saying I'm a bully because of this and I don't know why I'm laughing did they really.. like who is it. You're not "bullying" me jkkfldjflsdk no it wasn't about you, it was about Lunawish, who I haven't even talked to. Someone called me a bully for something I didn't do.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 14:06:12 GMT -5
I'm laughing did they really.. like who is it. You're not "bullying" me jkkfldjflsdk no it wasn't about you, it was about Lunawish, who I haven't even talked to. Someone called me a bully for something I didn't do. @ person who called Vic a bully... I AM THE BULLY NOW. FEED ME YOUR HATE PMs.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 14:07:03 GMT -5
no it wasn't about you, it was about Lunawish, who I haven't even talked to. Someone called me a bully for something I didn't do. @ person who called Vic a bully... I AM THE BULLY NOW. FEED ME YOUR HATE PMs. I'm so confused right now...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 14:08:18 GMT -5
@ person who called Vic a bully... I AM THE BULLY NOW. FEED ME YOUR HATE PMs. I'm so confused right now... Me too tbh. Like how do you get us two mixed up..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 14:08:53 GMT -5
me waiting for that "bully" pm
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Post by December on Jun 6, 2017 14:09:03 GMT -5
Aren't we going to mention that support is automatically assumed? Anyone who doesn't support lgbt+ should have left by now after seeing all these pride flags. It's really not necessary to show your support through the flag because we know. If you want something purely for the rainbow then you can easily put a rainbow picture anywhere on your profile. So when you put nothing on your profile everyone will already know you're a straight ally.
That being said, let's get real.
If you're going to complain about equality and that straight people don't get a flag then please remember that lgbt+ people are literally getting murdered for being who they are. Don't complain about lgbt+ people being more than equal to cishets when they are still very much below equal right now. Lgbt+ needs recognition so people might just start seeing them as human beings, only then we can work towards equality. This flag is just a small part to show we are proud of being lgbt+ in this lgbt+ specific month, it'll be over in a month. If you as a straight person feel left out because you weren't born a certain way then try and think how the rest of the year must feel for lgbt+ people. I feel this, but also, lmao, homophobes haven't been driven off this site. Not by a long shot. Most of them are feeling as comfy here as they always have, probably.
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Post by Brindleface on Jun 6, 2017 14:10:02 GMT -5
I know, and like said on the original discussion of this topic when it was announced, I agree it is also a bit unfair, but the point is that they're not excluding one, they're only including one, which is how most of these celebrations usually go. And, contrary to the apparently popular belief, no, straight pride is not every month. It's not like a "whenever they aren't celebrating and being proud of themselves we'll start being proud of ourselves." It doesn't work like that. Using your example from before, it's like saying every day of the year besides Hanukkah is Christmas. It just doesn't work unless it's actually a thing and people are celebrating it. And clubs are different. Again, if it makes you uncomfortable and feel excluded, you can easily avoid it. It's not like the club goes around it a big group glaring at straight people all day. And I don't mean that to be rude or relate something like that to this, just to say that people can be ignorant if they choose, or, more appropriately, aren't allowed to be included. ^^' what i mean by "straight pride month is every month" is that on a normal day-to-day basis most lgbt+ people cannot show society that they are who they are without fear of being subjected to intolerance. straight people do not have to deal with this. lgbt pride month is a time when lgbt people act the same way as straight people do in society. straight people do not need a banner flat bc in day to day life it's assumed by society that everyone is straight. that's why it is not intolerant of lgbt+ people to have flags. and if u r still against this it's only a month man. then the LGBT community will stop being as openly visible in society and everything can go back to the heteronormative way it was before. But how is this month any different? It's not like this month it's illegal to be intolerant. On the original thread, my main point was always that everyone should be proud of whatever they are, all the time. If we're going to have pride months, they should be for everyone. And in my opinion we should have times to celebrate who we are. All I want is equality for all, but you don't get that by excluding the very people you're hoping for support from. Did anyone who started this think where it would take them in five, ten, twenty years? Straight people who were against it still would be, it would still be a hetero normative society, and all they would have is a month where for some reason they're braver or stronger than the rest of the year.
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Post by The Narrator on Jun 6, 2017 14:11:41 GMT -5
@ordinarymagician listen, this is no strictly personal attack but I just want to put this out there;
Please don't go around not ''wanting to see any straighties'', it's immature and doesn't help at all. I get that it's pride month, but everyone is human. You should respect someone's opinion, no matter their gender or sexuality. If you can't do that, then don't be surprised if they don't respect yours back. That won't solve anything. I also want to remind you that 'straighties' is not the term, straight trans people exist and are still lgbt+ If you want to be immature so badly then use 'Cishet'. This is also towards everyone else reading this, respect each other. That's the whole principle of this month. Cishets say they are allies because they want to show support and they can do that without a flag by simply respecting lgbt+ people.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 14:15:09 GMT -5
@ordinarymagician listen, this is no strictly personal attack but I just want to put this out there;
Please don't go around not ''wanting to see any straighties'', it's immature and doesn't help at all. I get that it's pride month, but everyone is human. You should respect someone's opinion, no matter their gender or sexuality. If you can't do that, then don't be surprised if they don't respect yours back. That won't solve anything. I also want to remind you that 'straighties' is not the term, straight trans people exist and are still lgbt+ If you want to be immature so badly then use 'Cishet'. This is also towards everyone else reading this, respect each other. That's the whole principle of this month. Cishets say they are allies because they want to show support and they can do that without a flag by simply respecting lgbt+ people. ok i will go be a baby elsewhere
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Post by Darryl on Jun 6, 2017 14:16:00 GMT -5
Also, for everyone here, if you're getting tired of arguing, please don't go straight up /NO PUN INTENDED/ to being rude towards people, mocking them, or trolling them. Stop for a while, do something else. Until you're ready to make a polite response. Just try to imagine you're that person for a few seconds. Arguing isn't just stating that you're right five-hundred times until they get it. It's like the dress, you both see completely different things and you can't see why the other person would see it another way. Think before you send something, though.
I know this has nothing to do with me, but it's my opinion and advice upon reading this thread. I can't tell you what to do, but if you want someone to consider what you just said, definitely don't post it a salty way and then not expect a salty response. Hate is gasoline.
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Post by December on Jun 6, 2017 14:17:12 GMT -5
How I'm sleeping rn knowing that WCF "allies" who have never done more than slap a rainbow banner on their profile are walking away: ![](https://thumb.ibb.co/bGKF0v/image.jpg)
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Post by argyle lechuga on Jun 6, 2017 14:23:51 GMT -5
what i mean by "straight pride month is every month" is that on a normal day-to-day basis most lgbt+ people cannot show society that they are who they are without fear of being subjected to intolerance. straight people do not have to deal with this. lgbt pride month is a time when lgbt people act the same way as straight people do in society. straight people do not need a banner flat bc in day to day life it's assumed by society that everyone is straight. that's why it is not intolerant of lgbt+ people to have flags. and if u r still against this it's only a month man. then the LGBT community will stop being as openly visible in society and everything can go back to the heteronormative way it was before. But how is this month any different? It's not like this month it's illegal to be intolerant. On the original thread, my main point was always that everyone should be proud of whatever they are, all the time. If we're going to have pride months, they should be for everyone. And in my opinion we should have times to celebrate who we are. All I want is equality for all, but you don't get that by excluding the very people you're hoping for support from. Did anyone who started this think where it would take them in five, ten, twenty years? Straight people who were against it still would be, it would still be a hetero normative society, and all they would have is a month where for some reason they're braver or stronger than the rest of the year. i get what ur saying definitely. everyone should be equal, having a month doesn't make people equal. but ur ideal "everyone celebrates their own differences all the time" just isn't what is happening in the world right now. pride month brings awarenesses and it gives an outlet to people who are different from the norm to celebrate that difference. ideally we wouldnt need a pride month bc everyone is already proud. but so many young lgbt+ children do things like self harm or suicide bc they are ashamed of who they are. it will take generations to fix this. but in this generation pride months shows them that there is a whole world of other ppl like them and that they are valid. that's why pride is important.
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Post by argyle lechuga on Jun 6, 2017 14:26:34 GMT -5
and as an add on to what i said it is important that allies are part of the supportive community, but they can do this without taking the symbol of that community ie pride flags
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Post by The Narrator on Jun 6, 2017 14:41:01 GMT -5
How I'm sleeping rn knowing that WCF "allies" who have never done more than slap a rainbow banner on their profile are walking away: ![](https://thumb.ibb.co/bGKF0v/image.jpg) So this is exactly what Darryl just made a post above about and advised against. But you continue to flat out ignore it, not caring about someone else's opinion and then expecting people to accept and agree with yours, even though you posted it in the most trolling way you could. Seriously you should be happy they show some support and not mock them for it. Good job. Everyone thinks you are very powerful.
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Post by December on Jun 6, 2017 14:43:23 GMT -5
How I'm sleeping rn knowing that WCF "allies" who have never done more than slap a rainbow banner on their profile are walking away: ![](https://thumb.ibb.co/bGKF0v/image.jpg) So this is exactly what Darryl just made a post above about and advised against. But you continue to flat out ignore it, not caring about someone else's opinion and then expecting people to accept and agree with yours, even though you posted it in the most trolling way you could. Seriously you should be happy they show some support and not mock them for it. Good job. Everyone thinks you are very powerful. ![](https://thumb.ibb.co/mNFKtF/image.jpg)
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Post by The Narrator on Jun 6, 2017 14:44:58 GMT -5
So this is exactly what Darryl just made a post above about and advised against. But you continue to flat out ignore it, not caring about someone else's opinion and then expecting people to accept and agree with yours, even though you posted it in the most trolling way you could. Seriously you should be happy they show some support and not mock them for it. Good job. Everyone thinks you are very powerful. ![](https://thumb.ibb.co/mNFKtF/image.jpg) You're a child
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Post by 🎃❅❖.Şp໐໐kฯຟiຖ໓.❖❅🎃 on Jun 6, 2017 14:45:10 GMT -5
*Grabs popcorn* Best flamewar in a while. that was a flame war to you?
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Post by 𝕊’𝕞𝕠𝕣𝕖 on Jun 6, 2017 14:46:28 GMT -5
OOC How is this still going on guys? Let's let this thread rest or at least be civil, pls.
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Post by December on Jun 6, 2017 14:46:48 GMT -5
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Post by December on Jun 6, 2017 14:47:52 GMT -5
In all seriousness, though, my Complex Thoughts™ about the LGBT Community™ are a few pages back. If you're such an adult, I presume you can click the previous page button without a problem?
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