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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 3:10:24 GMT -5
Also like if you're cishet I'm.. not going to listen to your opinion on using the rainbow flag as a "support" one. Thanks. LOL anyway, as for my opinion (non-specific to the post im quoting), i don't have any issue with it nor do i see much of an issue with it (besides it maybe causing confusion) but that can be fixed easily with a "I support LGBT" or something like that when you hover over the banner.
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Post by Cheyenne on Jun 6, 2017 3:49:19 GMT -5
If you're referring to people wanting straight flags/sashes then it's probably because they were introduced this month so the topic is still very fresh. As stated above, I haven't seen a single straight cis person who wanted to "hijack" our pride month. All I've seen are people who would also like to take pride in themselves or show support for us and I have no problem with that. Also, I genuinely don't understand what you mean by "pride." Could you please clarify a bit more? If they really wanted to "show support" for us they'd let us have a single month. Every "straight pride/ally" flag is essentially just "I desperately want to seem like I'm a good ally!! Give me points for doing the bare minimum!!" And I'm not gonna clarify when you keep on using the term yourself. Why explain something you clearly already know about. Also.. "pride in themselves"... can the straights just shut up for once fjdksfjksd Well...I don't mean to barge in but showing their support isn't standing on the sidelines. Some people are actually trying to help. Like, my friend is straight but she has two dads. I think that she can support it. Same goes for people who somewhat get what it's like to be LGBT+. Obviously they'll never fully understand what it's like, but they aren't stupid...they aren't completely oblivious. Also like Aku said, I don't see any harm in it. They aren't taking away our pride month...... Honestly, I haven't seen anyone who's desperate for attention...if you have then please share. I want to kick their behind if there are.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 5:57:06 GMT -5
No it's my pleasure! Never challenge the master of sarcasm} But I must show my gratitude! Your gratitude is nothing compared to my thankfulness for your gratitude.
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Post by argyle lechuga on Jun 6, 2017 8:04:25 GMT -5
why y'all gotta ruin everything smh
i wanna clear a few things up bc some ppl seen confused. pls actually read the whole post instead of taking out only the words that fit whatever message ur trying to push in ur post.
at no point did i say that allies shouldnt be showing that they r allies. if you read my post i clearly said that i respect allies, they just might need to find a different way of showing support than taking a symbol of the group they are supporting. i never said they should just not show support in general.
also a lot of you are like "hey LGBT people should be treated equally, not specially!" and i agree one hundred percent. but this pride month. pride. as in showing and being empowered by who you are. that is not special rights that is, for one month, having the same rights as everyone else.
if this makes me sound like im upset it's bc i am upset. im ashamed that some of you, regardless of sexuality, made this into a fight by ignoring the opinions of others.
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Post by pastelpills on Jun 6, 2017 9:55:57 GMT -5
I agree.
I apologize if I sounded forceful, my problem isn't with the month - I like the idea of LGBT+ having a month for themselves.
I'm just saying that cishet people have just as much right to express themselves as LGBT+. Not in June, but in general.
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Post by John 3:16 on Jun 6, 2017 10:12:00 GMT -5
i kinda disagree, and am gonna repeat a lot of things said earlier in other posts.
although yes, i can see where you are coming from, and yes, cishet people can express themselves each day and every month because they are the majority of the population and will likely stay that way, BUT, as stated before, the rainbow flag has kinda been a universal sign of support since it was created in the late 70s. i think that if there isn't a straight ally flag, allies should be able to show their support but at least putting a footnote in their signature or something saying they're not queer. i don't see anything wrong with doing that, and even though yes this is a pride month it's not an excuse to push away our straight allies. excuse my bad english skillz lol
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Post by Brindleface on Jun 6, 2017 10:28:21 GMT -5
I only disagree with this because, however surprising, it seems like straight people are actually the minority on these forums, or it's 50/50, unless people are using the sashes just because (not counting the rainbow one). This makes it specifically excluding to straight people, aka, anyone without a flag and/or a rainbow one. Also, going along with what I said above about people possibly feeling left out, a rainbow isn't a specific color combo/pattern, so even though in this case it's meant to show something semi-specific, I think anyone has a right to put a rainbow on their profile if they have the opportunity ^^' Also I find it a little rude when some people (not anyone specifically) say that "this isn't the month to be proud if you're straight" or "you get the other eleven months". We are all (probably) kids or young adults on here. I don't think it's fair nor encouraging to value some over the others based on their sexuality or otherwise, which is what I've found this has turned into. Now straight people are being looked down upon on here, not even allowed to participate in something a good portion of the forums is partaking in. I think if anything, what everyone, not just on here, should move towards is valuing everyone during months like this. I think "Sexuality Pride Month" or something similar is a much better way to bring awareness and attention, rather then excluding the very people who may not support you. That really won't get you anywhere.
Sorry if this sounds argumentative, I'm not looking for an argument and won't reply here again if someone responds to this in an aggressive way.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 10:41:10 GMT -5
in my opinion having a rainbow flag as an ally is okay (specifying ur an ally in ur sig) having a straight ally flag is not
straight allies especially don't need their own flag right now. they only have to deal with the lgbtq people on here having these things for a month and then im pretty sure theyll be gone.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 6, 2017 11:07:02 GMT -5
I'm still questioning my own identity so i can't really speak for either side and I personally don't care if straight allies get a flag or not, but I think I see where both sides are coming from. Straight allies don't feel included in a month for a group of people they're showing support to, while the LGBT community feel like the straight allies are trying to take away attention from of month that's meant for the LGBT community. There's also the argument that straight allies may not even deserve a flag at all since they haven't suffered like the LGBTQ+ community has, at least in terms of orientation anyway and it may also be seen as inappropriate, especially on this particular month.
I'm neutral on the whole thing, but like I said, I think I see where both sides are coming from.
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Post by argyle lechuga on Jun 6, 2017 11:40:45 GMT -5
i don't get the whole "straight people feel left out" thing. it's not like ppl r choosing their sexuality? like that's how ppl r born, it's not like an exclusive club where u gotta have a minimum income of 275k and know a head of government in order to get in. and even though it may seem like straight people are a minority on this forum this is a forum. lgbt+ pride is not a concept created by this forum it is a real world event, with the world being a place where lgbt+ people are minorities. a straight person saying they feel excluded by lgbt+ pride is like a christian saying they feel left out during hanukkah. it doesn't make sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 11:57:33 GMT -5
i'd rather they have something in their signature but ehh
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Post by Showers on Jun 6, 2017 12:02:52 GMT -5
straight ace/aros included
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Post by argyle lechuga on Jun 6, 2017 12:21:34 GMT -5
straight ace/aros included woah what pls expand
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 12:28:07 GMT -5
I just want at least one month to my little gay self. I don't wanna see any "good uwu ally" straighties for once. ... why does noone else acknowledge how rude this is?
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Post by Yoshimi on Jun 6, 2017 12:55:00 GMT -5
there's already a straight pride flag. it's just very, very see-through. invisible, even Just Googled it. It does exist. It's just some monochrome stripes
Result also gave me this. WTF?
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Post by argyle lechuga on Jun 6, 2017 12:56:09 GMT -5
I just want at least one month to my little gay self. I don't wanna see any "good uwu ally" straighties for once. ... why does noone else acknowledge how rude this is? bc it's not rude? pls explain
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 12:58:18 GMT -5
... why does noone else acknowledge how rude this is? bc it's not rude? pls explain ... i wont bother but have a good day
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Post by Cheyenne on Jun 6, 2017 13:15:00 GMT -5
there's already a straight pride flag. it's just very, very see-through. invisible, even Just Googled it. It does exist. It's just some monochrome stripes
Result also gave me this. WTF?
I saw that when I looked up the straight pride flag, too. I honestly have no words for it... Heck, I'm not even sure what it's supposed to mean...
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Post by Yoshimi on Jun 6, 2017 13:17:33 GMT -5
Just Googled it. It does exist. It's just some monochrome stripes
Result also gave me this. WTF?
I saw that when I looked up the straight pride flag, too. I honestly have no words for it... Heck, I'm not even sure what it's supposed to mean... Im pretty sure it means nothing. It's probably made by a kid from 4chan trying to be edgy.
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Post by dashingshadows on Jun 6, 2017 13:17:36 GMT -5
Just Googled it. It does exist. It's just some monochrome stripes
Result also gave me this. WTF?
I saw that when I looked up the straight pride flag, too. I honestly have no words for it... Heck, I'm not even sure what it's supposed to mean... It's from imgur, it's a joke repost as the original post was titled "Let's just offend everyone at once!"
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Post by Darryl on Jun 6, 2017 13:27:12 GMT -5
In my opinion... I can understand why others want a flag. They're colorful and expressive, and it kinda sucks that you can't have one because you weren't born a certain way. I know it's pride month and all. Now I can see why people would have a problem with using the rainbow flag. I myself, back when I thought I was straight, had a rainbow colored flag over my avatar on facebook to show I support it. I didn't really care/think about the fact that people would assume I'm gay. I would just explain to them that I'm not. You can also just put it in your signature.
I don't really understand why a gay person would get mad if you use the rainbow flag. It literally stands for the lgbtqa+ thing as a whole, and if their signature says support, then why would you be offended?
Don't act like putting it in your signature is a lot of effort, please. It's not. There's no need to create a whole new flag because you don't want to explain to people that you're just an ally with the flag as support.
The whole ''having a pride flag is giving us more privelege, that's not equality'' is just kinda wrong imo. I have a flag showing something I might be hated for and in some countries even killed. Sure, it sucks that you can't have something extra and colorful on your profile, but alright... I don't feel like it's right to complain about it like that.
Also, everyone's opinion should be respected/listened to, whether you're an ally or lgbtqa+ . Don't ignore someone for what they are and just go ''I'm not even going to bother reading this becausethey are ___, will have this and that as an opinion and I don't care/disagree either way.'' It doesn't work like that, that's just rude. We're all humans, lgbt or not, and have opinions, and that's what debating things like this is for.
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Post by Brindleface on Jun 6, 2017 13:32:56 GMT -5
i don't get the whole "straight people feel left out" thing. it's not like ppl r choosing their sexuality? like that's how ppl r born, it's not like an exclusive club where u gotta have a minimum income of 275k and know a head of government in order to get in. and even though it may seem like straight people are a minority on this forum this is a forum. lgbt+ pride is not a concept created by this forum it is a real world event, with the world being a place where lgbt+ people are minorities. a straight person saying they feel excluded by lgbt+ pride is like a christian saying they feel left out during hanukkah. it doesn't make sense. In my opinion it's the same as having a month about being proud if you're English, Spanish, Mexican, Chinese and Japanese, ect., and include all races but one in it. And I believe Christians have Christmas instead, unlike in this situation. Also I was only relating it to this forum because, like I said before, these are young, impressionable people who are being excluded in a forum and world-wide event. It's easy enough to avoid it if you feel left out or uncomfortable in real life, which I believe is why no schools or the like would do anything like this...
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Post by Card against Humanity on Jun 6, 2017 13:34:32 GMT -5
i mean, this is a very complicated topic, but I do kind of agree at the same time? as an ally I feel kind of weird using the rainbow flag, bc It feels like the flags should just be for people who are lgbt so allies don't take away their spotlight
idk. maybe there should be an ally flag or something? that might not be a good idea either
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Post by argyle lechuga on Jun 6, 2017 13:37:10 GMT -5
i don't get the whole "straight people feel left out" thing. it's not like ppl r choosing their sexuality? like that's how ppl r born, it's not like an exclusive club where u gotta have a minimum income of 275k and know a head of government in order to get in. and even though it may seem like straight people are a minority on this forum this is a forum. lgbt+ pride is not a concept created by this forum it is a real world event, with the world being a place where lgbt+ people are minorities. a straight person saying they feel excluded by lgbt+ pride is like a christian saying they feel left out during hanukkah. it doesn't make sense. In my opinion it's the same as having a month about being proud if you're English, Spanish, Mexican, Chinese and Japanese, ect., and include all races but one in it. And I believe Christians have Christmas instead, unlike in this situation. Also I was only relating it to this forum because, like I said before, these are young, impressionable people who are being excluded in a forum and world-wide event. It's easy enough to avoid it if you feel left out or uncomfortable in real life, which I believe is why no schools or the like would do anything like this... Black pride month is a thing my dude. straight pride month is every month. if u feel left out bc ppl r celebrating who they r that's kinda :/ ur school point doesn't make sense to me since a lot of ppl who r opening lgbt+ in high school r bullied. and tons of schools have lgbt+ clubs anyways so idk what ur trying to say
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Post by argyle lechuga on Jun 6, 2017 13:38:18 GMT -5
i mean, this is a very complicated topic, but I do kind of agree at the same time? as an ally I feel kind of weird using the rainbow flag, bc It feels like the flags should just be for people who are lgbt so allies don't take away their spotlight idk. maybe there should be an ally flag or something? that might not be a good idea either there is an ally flag, but it's the straight pride flag with a rainbow A on it which is kinda problematic since it's based in the straight pride flag
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Post by Card against Humanity on Jun 6, 2017 13:39:31 GMT -5
i mean, this is a very complicated topic, but I do kind of agree at the same time? as an ally I feel kind of weird using the rainbow flag, bc It feels like the flags should just be for people who are lgbt so allies don't take away their spotlight idk. maybe there should be an ally flag or something? that might not be a good idea either there is an ally flag, but it's the straight pride flag with a rainbow A on it which is kinda problematic since it's based in the straight pride flag wait there's a straight pride flag??
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Post by argyle lechuga on Jun 6, 2017 13:40:42 GMT -5
there is an ally flag, but it's the straight pride flag with a rainbow A on it which is kinda problematic since it's based in the straight pride flag wait there's a straight pride flag??
ye it's only used by like extreme homophobes
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Post by December on Jun 6, 2017 13:40:48 GMT -5
I just want at least one month to my little gay self. I don't wanna see any "good uwu ally" straighties for once. ... why does noone else acknowledge how rude this is? Because it's true.
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Post by The Narrator on Jun 6, 2017 13:42:53 GMT -5
Aren't we going to mention that support is automatically assumed? Anyone who doesn't support lgbt+ should have left by now after seeing all these pride flags. It's really not necessary to show your support through the flag because we know. If you want something purely for the rainbow then you can easily put a rainbow picture anywhere on your profile. So when you put nothing on your profile everyone will already know you're a straight ally.
That being said, let's get real.
If you're going to complain about equality and that straight people don't get a flag then please remember that lgbt+ people are literally getting murdered for being who they are. Don't complain about lgbt+ people being more than equal to cishets when they are still very much below equal right now. Lgbt+ needs recognition so people might just start seeing them as human beings, only then we can work towards equality. This flag is just a small part to show we are proud of being lgbt+ in this lgbt+ specific month, it'll be over in a month. If you as a straight person feel left out because you weren't born a certain way then try and think how the rest of the year must feel for lgbt+ people.
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Post by argyle lechuga on Jun 6, 2017 13:45:18 GMT -5
Aren't we going to mention that support is automatically assumed? Anyone who doesn't support lgbt+ should have left by now after seeing all these pride flags. It's really not necessary to show your support through the flag because we know. If you want something purely for the rainbow then you can easily put a rainbow picture anywhere on your profile. So when you put nothing on your profile everyone will already know you're a straight ally.
That being said, let's get real.
If you're going to complain about equality and that straight people don't get a flag then please remember that lgbt+ people are literally getting murdered for being who they are. Don't complain about lgbt+ people being more than equal to cishets when they are still very much below equal right now. Lgbt+ needs recognition so people might just start seeing them as human beings, only then we can work towards equality. This flag is just a small part to show we are proud of being lgbt+ in this lgbt+ specific month, it'll be over in a month. If you as a straight person feel left out because you weren't born a certain way then try and think how the rest of the year must feel for lgbt+ people. thank u so much this was worded a lot better than what i said about this issue i like this post a lot thank u
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