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Post by Card against Humanity on Mar 17, 2017 12:18:22 GMT -5
i didnt even read most of this thread but i wanted to say that theres still plenty of meaningful music being made today. i myself am guilty of being cynical towards my peers as well but if you just look a little beyond what is put in front of you there are great artists still making music today todays society isnt even that far removed. the progress has been mostly good. you didnt live in that era so you can only look back with rose tinted lenses, but i doubt that youd really want to live there. if you want some 50s style clothes, wear them. if you want to be "classy", be classy. people today can seem impatient, entitled, and shallow, but the only way to make a difference is to refuse to be that way... ^ this. all of this. I agree that a lot of music nowadays isn't very meaningful but that doesn't mean new meaningful music doesn't exist?? like I listen to a lot of older music [mostly rock lol] but there's a lot of good newer music too. you just shouldn't go looking for it in the Top 40 or w/e because popular music isn't MEANT to be super deep or meaningful, its just supposed to be easy to listen too.
and yeah a lot of people like to go on about how older society was just sO MUCH BETTER but those people are looking at society through rose-tinted lenses. I mean, would anyone in this generation want to live In a society where there's no computers or video games, movies are still being shot in black and white, and tv barely exists? not to mention all the racism, sexism, homophobia, etc
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Post by alfred on Mar 17, 2017 12:21:04 GMT -5
i suppose what Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ is trying to say(and i could totally be wrong here so pardon me) but is having the benefits of the 20s-50s without any of the consequences? so that could still include a lot of what you prefer about today's standards as well. it also just really depends on what sort of aesthetic you prefer in fashion, reading, music, etc etc. like Sanders said, it's all subjective.
so, you'd still want the technological advances, generally accepting society, and mostly stable economy of today's standards. just with a flair of that era's aesthetic. something most might find modest and slightly more reliable.
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Lesbian
falconfire
currently watching/reading/playing: haikyuu, avatar: the last airbender, animal crossing new horizon
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Post by falconfire on Mar 17, 2017 13:46:23 GMT -5
1920's=Swing 2020's=Electroswing i mean, yeah, electro swing is a thing right now, and it's pretty fun imo who needs to wait for the 2020s
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Mar 18, 2017 23:08:02 GMT -5
like Frank Sinatra again who were immensely popular without having to strip naked, do drugs, and/or commit a crime. OKAY BUT FRANK SINATRA WAS MAFIA THO.But that just makes him a (classy) badass.
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Mar 18, 2017 23:12:33 GMT -5
i didnt even read most of this thread but i wanted to say that theres still plenty of meaningful music being made today. i myself am guilty of being cynical towards my peers as well but if you just look a little beyond what is put in front of you there are great artists still making music today todays society isnt even that far removed. the progress has been mostly good. you didnt live in that era so you can only look back with rose tinted lenses, but i doubt that youd really want to live there. if you want some 50s style clothes, wear them. if you want to be "classy", be classy. people today can seem impatient, entitled, and shallow, but the only way to make a difference is to refuse to be that way... ^ this. all of this. I agree that a lot of music nowadays isn't very meaningful but that doesn't mean new meaningful music doesn't exist?? like I listen to a lot of older music [mostly rock lol] but there's a lot of good newer music too. you just shouldn't go looking for it in the Top 40 or w/e because popular music isn't MEANT to be super deep or meaningful, its just supposed to be easy to listen too.
and yeah a lot of people like to go on about how older society was just sO MUCH BETTER but those people are looking at society through rose-tinted lenses. I mean, would anyone in this generation want to live In a society where there's no computers or video games, movies are still being shot in black and white, and tv barely exists? not to mention all the racism, sexism, homophobia, etc
I mean, I know that there are lots of meaningful songs still out there today. My main issue is that (most) people just seem to care about whether or not they can dance to it nowadays, which explains today's Top 40. I just want a culture that celebrates meaningful lyrics instead of trashy lyrics with a good beat. I find it very hard to relate to songs that are about partying and sex, because those two things are not things that I regularly partake in or am emotionally attached to. Of course the "older society" had issues, but their music/movies/T.V. was more... meaningful, I guess? Even country, which was once the leading genre in meaningful lyrics, is now basically pop music with a twang.
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Post by Alpha on Mar 18, 2017 23:27:08 GMT -5
You guys are having the intellectual conversation that we were never supposed to have!!1!1!
Honestly, I like our modern culture. Though there's things that really bother me, I'm mainly chill with it.
About music and TV: I really dislike the styles of music from the 20's through the 50's, and TV wasn't very good back then. I don't watch too much TV nowadays, but there is some quality television. The styles of modern music(actually, anything from the 60's and younger) are more appealing to me.
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Post by Tigerkit on Mar 18, 2017 23:34:51 GMT -5
...Wasn't the music of the (especially twenties) twenties to fifties music where the most important part was the danceable beat and the lyrics were all about sex and stupidity? EDIT: Also who cares about lyrics lmao
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Mar 18, 2017 23:47:28 GMT -5
Tigerkit Um no And that's exactly my point. No one cares about lyrics anymore. Might as well just take out the words.
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Post by Tigerkit on Mar 18, 2017 23:50:34 GMT -5
Who cares about lyrics ever lmao. I think the vocals are just another instrument. The lyrics should serve the song, they don't have to make sense. I've never understood liking the lyrics of the song but not the song itself I still like songs with lyrics though because words still sound cooler than scatting
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Mar 18, 2017 23:55:37 GMT -5
Tigerkit Because the lyrics help us relate to the song.
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Post by Tigerkit on Mar 18, 2017 23:56:45 GMT -5
Isn't music about the music
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Mar 18, 2017 23:59:35 GMT -5
Tigerkit Music is about what it means to the individual. Lyrics add to the meaning by telling a verbal story that people can relate to.
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Post by Tigerkit on Mar 19, 2017 0:01:53 GMT -5
Whatever works for you man
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Post by Tigerkit on Mar 19, 2017 0:24:50 GMT -5
I am referring to the rhythm yes. Wasn't very clear, sorry. And I was thinking more about R&B and blues (is that redundant?) than jazz for thirties-to-fifties music I was completely wrong about the twenties though now I think about it, sorry
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 0:30:41 GMT -5
Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ i honestly couldn't agree more. Everything was so much simpler back then! People, the majority at least, had an honor code. Good men were chivalrous and literal gentlemen and most women were modest. Things were built for substance not style. The world was safer, music was awesome, many families were closer and not separated. People were responsible. Plus, young guys in uniform around WWI and WWII were downright hot. I mean, whew, War Horse and Captain America: First Avenger ruined me in that respect. Seb Stan Tom Hiddleston in uniform kills me it can't be a coincidence they're in the same movies I don't think it was simpler per se, but throughout the ages humans have had this tendency to romanticize the past. It's like, I don't understand everyday life of the 40's like how my great grandma understands it. I have a general idea, but I have not gone through the motions of life in that decade like she has. And while I love the aesthetic of the era, I would not go back, if only based on her stories about being a young woman at the time... How her brother died in World War II and how she had family members on both sides of the war. How she got married at 18 to a man she knew for less than 6 months because it was expected of her. The young hot guys in uniform went to war knowing they may not come back and their mothers had to wait in limbo for their sons to return. Families were closer because divorce wasn't acceptable and no one talked about issues at home with people outside the home, plus it was socially acceptable to send "problematic" family members who could ruin a family's image away for good. Pop culture romanticizes life, and movies and music are the predominate window to past decades. Times are different now, but I don't think it's fair to say that the 40's were better.
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Heterosexual
✶Jaysong✶
What do you mean it's *checks watch * July
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Post by ✶Jaysong✶ on Mar 19, 2017 0:56:57 GMT -5
@slothfood personally, I feel like romanticizing the past is a good way for people in this era to learn to appreciate it better. If the history of our country was ALL gloom and doom people might now want to nesecarrily learn about it or from it, which would be horrible. The greatest lessons are in our past.
I don't think the main concepts of our ideas of history should be based off of one single thing or idea. For example, I wasn't implying that ALL families were together because they were happy or that ALL things about the era were perfect. Such as polio, diseases, the wars, those were bad things, but there were good things too, just like there are some good things now. I was listing the pros in reference to the post I read, which was the first one. I merely skipped over the three pages.
I also want you to understand that I wasn't implying that soldiers were shallow or in it for the glory or whatever you thought I meant because that's not it. I read back on it and realize I might have worded it correctly but I'm also quite offended that you think I'm that shallow. I'd like to point out that I was making a comment based off of movie actors from fictional story lines and I get that you don't know me that well, but I make jokes about my favorite movies and such from time to time in posts. I do, in fact, realize, the sacrifices of soldiers, being a daughter of the many wars of America and I'd also like to point out that there are men and women doing the same thing in present day and are forgotten because of petty political issues because people can't agree to respect each others beliefs. I don't like to snap on my colored TV and see headline after headline of news chronicling suicides, murders, abuse and world terror any more than other people so I don't think it's fair to say that modern times are better than the 40s either. I'd rather have my country fighting together, united against a greater cause than people killing each other while fighting each other. Times might not be completely worse but they definitely aren't better.
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Post by alfred on Mar 19, 2017 1:06:19 GMT -5
@slothfood pretty much hit the nail on the head there.
while there are things to be admired about the 20s-50s, home life was tough and society, brutal. we're exiting the first world war, entering the depression, and passing through the second world war in that span of time. life was remarkably cruel for a ton of people then. so, we don't want to go back in time, per se, we just want a little of that romanticized image in our modern day lives. their fashion and appeal, none of the negative aspects that millions endured then.
if anything, we could possibly hope for a resurgence of that era's pop culture, their aesthetic. like trends, i guess. they come and go and come again. who knows, that era's fashion and music could make a return sometime in our future.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 1:11:59 GMT -5
I'd probably enjoy the simplicity. I don't know maybe I'm biased cause I'm extremely overwhelmed right now with having to meet 200+ new people each semester, move to a completely new state this summer with a crazy different culture, and really really REALLY getting annoyed with how rude people are these days- or at least openly rude, in the old days they'd hide it or be passive aggressive at most- being in a farm town in the middle of nowhere, only knowing 100-200 people your entire life, and comfortably knowing how to act and respond to someone in every situation sounds incredibly appatizing and tempting.
But I like in-in-out so I'd never be able to leave this time period ^^'
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halo
The Chapel of TayLORD Swift
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Post by halo on Mar 19, 2017 1:19:06 GMT -5
Cupcakke's Deepthroat is a better written song than anything by The Beatles
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Post by alfred on Mar 19, 2017 1:21:51 GMT -5
@slothfood personally, I feel like romanticizing the past is a good way for people in this era to learn to appreciate it better. If the history of our country was ALL gloom and doom people might now want to nesecarrily learn about it or from it, which would be horrible. The greatest lessons are in our past. i couldn't agree less. by romanticizing things, you're glossing over the details that made history what it was and is today. you're not learning anything, you're simply playing house in another era's strifes and turmoil. history is gloom and doom. it has its goods days, sure, but it's largely defined by the struggles, wants and desires of the people that lived it. when you ignore that, you miss so much and start to appreciate those breaks of sunshine just a tad less than before.
like you said, our greatest lessons are in our past but to truely understand and respect those lessons, you've got to read and observe history without restriction. that means recognizing the hard things but also learning to love the good that's come out of it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 1:23:32 GMT -5
Holy smokes, what's happened? I don't really see anything flamey here, which is cool, but Donut wasn't really attacking anyone? I get a sense that a lot of people here feel personally attacked by what they said... and I highly highly highly doubt that that's what Donut intended :c
Correct me if I'm wrong - and that everyone's cool... but I'm just looking at this entire thread and while a lot of it is decent discussion... I just can't help but get the feeling that people are getting offended way too easily at this. Ok, sure, Donut said something that's quite unpopular in today's age, but surely we can, after 3 pages of debating, just say "ok, that's interesting that you feel that way, I don't feel that way because this and this and this, now have a nice day"?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 1:25:10 GMT -5
✶Jaysong✶ for the record, I don't think of you as shallow. I barely come across you and I haven't really formed an opinion on you. I may have disagreed with your original post, but I haven't thought negatively of you as an individual. I'm cynical, and sometimes unecessarily so. Your most recent post strikes me as optimistic, and while I don't understand optimism, I respect it. Anyway, thanks for clearing up your standpoint. The clarification helps me understand where you are coming from :)
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Post by alfred on Mar 19, 2017 1:31:26 GMT -5
@wnterheart i don't know. i feel like this has been a decent discussion. no one's traded insults yet so that's a plus. this has been fun, though. i really enjoy talking about this stuff and you guys are definitely giving me a lot to think about. c:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 1:35:01 GMT -5
alfred Aww, that's good. I haven't looked at this thread too thoroughly so I wouldn't know specifics. I'm glad it's a good discussion for some people. I just felt too many people were taking the "I wish I lived in the 20s" as literally "I wish I lived in racism and homophobia", which of course is probably not what they meant.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 6:44:16 GMT -5
I dunno about you, but intense racism, sexism, and homophobia isn't really my thing.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Mar 19, 2017 7:36:55 GMT -5
^ this. all of this. I agree that a lot of music nowadays isn't very meaningful but that doesn't mean new meaningful music doesn't exist?? like I listen to a lot of older music [mostly rock lol] but there's a lot of good newer music too. you just shouldn't go looking for it in the Top 40 or w/e because popular music isn't MEANT to be super deep or meaningful, its just supposed to be easy to listen too.
and yeah a lot of people like to go on about how older society was just sO MUCH BETTER but those people are looking at society through rose-tinted lenses. I mean, would anyone in this generation want to live In a society where there's no computers or video games, movies are still being shot in black and white, and tv barely exists? not to mention all the racism, sexism, homophobia, etc
I mean, I know that there are lots of meaningful songs still out there today. My main issue is that (most) people just seem to care about whether or not they can dance to it nowadays, which explains today's Top 40. I just want a culture that celebrates meaningful lyrics instead of trashy lyrics with a good beat. I find it very hard to relate to songs that are about partying and sex, because those two things are not things that I regularly partake in or am emotionally attached to. Of course the "older society" had issues, but their music/movies/T.V. was more... meaningful, I guess? Even country, which was once the leading genre in meaningful lyrics, is now basically pop music with a twang. You do have a point, but its not like pop music from the past wasn't made to be danced to? Pop music has never been incredibly meaningful, because its not SUPPOSED to be meaningful. That's not exclusive to this generation
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Post by Sanders on Mar 19, 2017 10:21:21 GMT -5
^ this. all of this. I agree that a lot of music nowadays isn't very meaningful but that doesn't mean new meaningful music doesn't exist?? like I listen to a lot of older music [mostly rock lol] but there's a lot of good newer music too. you just shouldn't go looking for it in the Top 40 or w/e because popular music isn't MEANT to be super deep or meaningful, its just supposed to be easy to listen too.
and yeah a lot of people like to go on about how older society was just sO MUCH BETTER but those people are looking at society through rose-tinted lenses. I mean, would anyone in this generation want to live In a society where there's no computers or video games, movies are still being shot in black and white, and tv barely exists? not to mention all the racism, sexism, homophobia, etc
I mean, I know that there are lots of meaningful songs still out there today. My main issue is that (most) people just seem to care about whether or not they can dance to it nowadays, which explains today's Top 40. I just want a culture that celebrates meaningful lyrics instead of trashy lyrics with a good beat. I find it very hard to relate to songs that are about partying and sex, because those two things are not things that I regularly partake in or am emotionally attached to. Of course the "older society" had issues, but their music/movies/T.V. was more... meaningful, I guess? Even country, which was once the leading genre in meaningful lyrics, is now basically pop music with a twang. i just can't get behind the idea that because music is good to dance to that it's somehow not good or is a lesser music? idk i honestly can't listen to anything that doesn't have a nice beat behind it. like most of lana del rey's stuff is a giant snorefest. music that is slow or if the artist sings too slow or a combination, i just honestly can't listen to. and also not being able to relate to a song doesn't mean it can't have meaning. again i bring up Rockabye by Clean Bandit which, as far as i understand, is about single moms. i don't have a single mom. i am not a single mom. yet that song really speaks to me. i also don't go out clubbing or anything and yet i still enjoy and relate to like. Ke$sha's music. i love listening to songs that i can dance to and they need to have a good beat. but that doesn't mean those songs can't have meaningful lyrics. im going to look through the top 40's and tell you songs that i think have meaning and are popular right now. this is ryan seacrest's top 40 so you know it's popular (in america) 1. Shape of you - Ed Sheeran 5. Scars To Your Beautiful - Alessia Cara (not abt love/sex/partying) 9. Mercy - Shawn Mendes 10. All Time Low - Jon Bellion 12. Rockabye - Clean Bandit (not abt love/sex/partying) 15. Chained To The Rhythm - Katy Perry (not abt love/sex/partying) 22. Starving - Hailee Steinfeld 30. Million Reasons - Lady Gaga 38. Cheap Thrills - Sia and most of these are still songs that i can dance to (the exception being million reasons which is more of a love ballad) but they also still have meaningful lyrics to me. and there could be more on there but i haven't even heard some of the songs on the top 40's chart. also i picked ones i like. also lyrics don't make a song meaningful. a song can be just music and still make you feel something. i listen to a lot of chill edm and it still makes me feel something even though there aren't any lyrics. the fun part is imagining what the song is supposed to mean when you hear it. not being told. when ed sheeran sings "the club isn't the best place to find a lover" im like oh we were at the club and now we're going to the bar to find a lover. because he told me that. when i listen to Memories - Petit Biscuit, im not told what the song is about or even what to feel. i get to make my own connections to the song. it creates a new meaning for me personally that might not be the same connection that someone else makes. and i find that to be more special than relating to lyrics that may or may not be personal to the artists themselves. i mean why do people still listen to classical music and play classical music nowadays? it doesn't have meaningful lyrics with centuries old wisdom in it. and yet everybody knows at least a handful of classical songs. they're still very well used and recognizable. but why? there's no lyrics. it's just music. are those songs not meaningful? and my last point ill bring up, i made a picture book for my girlfriend and each picture was accompanied by lyrics from songs (modern day) that held meaning for me in our relationship. so ill just list the songs here as well as accompanying lyrics is applicable. Vibes - Tove Lo: "Dreamer tripping on your highs/ these vibes/ i feel them oh" Tell Her You Love Her - Echosmith: "Tell her she's lovely/ Always tell her the truth/ When she says she loves you/ Tell her you love her too" Memories - Petit Biscuit Senses - Cheat Codes ft. Lostboycrow: "I don't know if you could tell/ but my senses where overwhelmed/ by you" That's My Girl - Fifth Harmony: "You've been down before/ you've been hurt before/ you got up before/ you'll be good to go/ good to go" Favourite Colour - Carly Rae Jepsen: "I'm bright baby blue/ falling into you/ falling for each other" Higher - Carly Rae Jepsen: "You take me higher than the rest/ oh everybody else is second best" Overwhelming - Jon Bellion: "And every single little thing about her is so/ overwhelming" i mean i know you have something different that means more to you than love and sex and partying. but those songs are meaningful and not trashy. Starving by Hailee Steinfeld is a very meaningful song to me. and it's about sex. just because it's not something you can relate to doesn't make it a lesser song. and just because people like to dance doesn't mean that they are trash either. i wouldn't even call 24K Magic by Bruno Mars trash (unironically). and that song makes absolutely no sense to me. i still love it. and it is just a good song.
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Post by ƤαƖƖαѕ ✧ on Mar 19, 2017 10:46:39 GMT -5
I mean.... no it wasn't... ...It wasn't safe at all...]
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