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Post by *MorningGlory* on Oct 20, 2016 1:15:00 GMT -5
I feel like this rule isn't quite grasping the idea of equal-ism. Even with this rule we are shoving beliefs into the faces of people who don't share those beliefs. I'm not saying to continue the hate but even something as simple as "All rps must be same-sex friendly" is discrimination against those who genuinely don't want it.
At least give us the opportunity to say yes and no.
I have a cat rp and was asked if someone could have a trans cat. I had to tell them no because honestly.. how does a cat become trans? That doesn't mean I'm against trans, a trans cat is impossible in the real world
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 1:18:30 GMT -5
I agree with you all the way, MorningGlory. I think this will make some forumers leave . .
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Post by *MorningGlory* on Oct 20, 2016 1:19:26 GMT -5
I agree with you all the way, MorningGlory. I think this will make some forumers leave . . People are already complaining that forum-wide activity is dropping. This will make it drop like a stone |
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Oct 20, 2016 1:20:27 GMT -5
Because they can't exclude people? Honestly, I'd rather have people leave who are willing to exclude people because of their beliefs. It also works vice versa where they themselves can't be excluded, either. |
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Post by *MorningGlory* on Oct 20, 2016 1:23:22 GMT -5
If you're absolutely unwilling to make a character fit with the rules of one rp then maybe you shouldn't be on that rp. There are plenty of rps that allow it.
But not allowing the owner of the rp to have a choice in the matter isn't fair. Equal rights means that I can't force my beliefs upon you and you can't force yours upon me but we both still respect that the other has a different belief and we compromise.
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Post by Sand on Oct 20, 2016 1:24:51 GMT -5
I'll ask the rest of staff then.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Oct 20, 2016 1:25:31 GMT -5
It's still discriminatory, though. No matter how you look at it. It's a rule now. If people don't like it, they can kindly leave. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 1:25:45 GMT -5
Like MorningGlory said, this is shoving a very big subject down people's throats.
I think or I'm pretty sure someone was banned already for saying they were against LGBT people, though didn't say anything rude to them?
I don't know. I have mixed feelings about the whole thing, and I really don't think this is right at all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 1:26:32 GMT -5
I can see both sides, tbh
there's no fighting in fanclans over it, and the issues has only been brought up twice before
as long as the owner of the rp accepts and acknowledges that people arent going to join because of it, then I dont see a problem with it, but this is my personal opinion as a member, not a mod
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Oct 20, 2016 1:29:21 GMT -5
By excluding people, you're shoving your beliefs down someone's throat as well. Better to include everyone than not, don't like it? Leave. I don't get why we still need to fight over this. |
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Post by *MorningGlory* on Oct 20, 2016 1:29:47 GMT -5
I just wanted to express my concerns. Thank you, Mods, for allowing me to do that and for taking it into consideration. I want everyone to be happy here
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Post by Sand on Oct 20, 2016 1:30:06 GMT -5
Remember, it's just not LGBT. There are other topics and groups that apply to this rule, it is not only about LGBT. There are other groups that have the same problem if you haven't noticed.
I don't want to argue on this thread, so PM and include all staff if you have a huge problem with it. The rule is officially being implemented and if we need to make changes, we will.
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Post by *MorningGlory* on Oct 20, 2016 1:35:01 GMT -5
How about a vote? We can implement this rule but how about we vote on whether or not we allow rp owners to choose whether they want same sex characters?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 1:45:13 GMT -5
Roswell oh my God.
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Post by SnowStorm on Oct 20, 2016 1:46:43 GMT -5
I'm sorry to bud in here but isn't what the Warrior Series is about? Cats with nine lives? This was made by Erin Hunter, the people who started this whole Fandom! To ban that on what we're basing this entire site on just doesn't make sense to me.
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Post by shortstop on Oct 20, 2016 5:29:35 GMT -5
I think that same-sex relationships in every RP should be allowed, because even if the owner has their own beliefs, no one is asking them to make LGBT characters, right? they can have all the straight characters they want. The only group being discriminated against is the LGBT community, as they can't make their own character. One on ones are different, each person should be able to make their own rules in those because it is about their own interests and beliefs, but groups? no.
it's easy for a straight person to say, "no lgbt" because they're not the ones being excluded. if you can't exist in the same roleplay with LGBT people than thats kind of sad, how do you handle going to school?
that's my two cents, anyways, but everyone should tread lightly.
also, christians? keep in mind that this rule should help you guys as well, as it doesn't tolerate hate speech towards any group. that includes you
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Post by Gengar on Oct 20, 2016 6:57:45 GMT -5
If you're absolutely unwilling to make a character fit with the rules of one rp then maybe you shouldn't be on that rp. There are plenty of rps that allow it. But not allowing the owner of the rp to have a choice in the matter isn't fair. Equal rights means that I can't force my beliefs upon you and you can't force yours upon me but we both still respect that the other has a different belief and we compromise.  ➳equal rights means equal rights. It means both parties have freedom of speech, so of course they can say whatever they like about how laws affect them or political parties function. Not shoving your belief onto someone doesn't automatically give them equal rights. That's not what that means. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 7:06:50 GMT -5
Like I said, I wouldn't delete it. The RP would be discriminating if it said: "no LGBT characters" unless there was a good enough reason that it would not be deleted for such as what you said for an African RP. that seems like it could be a bit too open ended, but I don't know how you could change it since there are always special cases ): is lgbt character "banning" discrimination though? They're not disallowing LGBT individuals to join, just disallowing anyone to make LGBT characters. of course banning LGBT characters is completely unnecessary and untrue to nature, since homosexuality specifically is shown in virtually every species known so far. plus when making RPs with animals that can reason as people, disallowing people qualities is kinda ridiculous. I feel like this rule isn't quite grasping the idea of equal-ism. Even with this rule we are shoving beliefs into the faces of people who don't share those beliefs. I'm not saying to continue the hate but even something as simple as "All rps must be same-sex friendly" is discrimination against those who genuinely don't want it. At least give us the opportunity to say yes and no. I have a cat rp and was asked if someone could have a trans cat. I had to tell them no because honestly.. how does a cat become trans? That doesn't mean I'm against trans, a trans cat is impossible in the real worldare you saying talking cats are possible in the real world? hmm. If you're absolutely unwilling to make a character fit with the rules of one rp then maybe you shouldn't be on that rp. There are plenty of rps that allow it. But not allowing the owner of the rp to have a choice in the matter isn't fair. Equal rights means that I can't force my beliefs upon you and you can't force yours upon me but we both still respect that the other has a different belief and we compromise.Asking people to include other people isn't infringing on any rights whatsoever. It's basic kindergarten learning goals (: If your "belief" infringes on the rights or general well-being of others it's a terrible belief and no one should be expected to tolerate it or you. How do you compromise here? It's either "we get our way" or "you get your way". Unless you stop complaining about it long enough to realize it's already at a compromise - LGBT+ characters will be allowed unless you have a good reason not to allow them. That's your compromise. |
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Post by sɪʟᴠᴇʀᴏᴡʟ ☾ on Oct 20, 2016 8:17:15 GMT -5
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Oct 20, 2016 8:29:39 GMT -5
I really think this should just go the free trade route. I.e., allow clan leaders to exclude certain characters as they will, but they will suffer the social consequences of it. If someone doesn't agree with the clan's individual rule on the matter, they don't have to join. Do you really want to force someone you know does not agree with your beliefs to accept you? I think both parties would be unhappy. The victimn would constantly know that the clan leader doesn't accept them personally, even if they must legally.
It's easier to let people choose for themselves on the matter Give members and option to choose to support the clans they want-- if they think a clan is too discriminatory (for any group), then they can refuse to join and therefore not support it.
It works the same way currently in the American market. It's the store owner's right to be a racist ass, but he'll pay for it because people will not want to shop at a racist's store. Same method applies here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 8:46:03 GMT -5
I really think this should just go the free trade route. I.e., allow clan leaders to exclude certain characters as they will, but they will suffer the social consequences of it. If someone doesn't agree with the clan's individual rule on the matter, they don't have to join. Do you really want to force someone you know does not agree with your beliefs to accept you? I think both parties would be unhappy. The victimn would constantly know that the clan leader doesn't accept them personally, even if they must legally.
It's easier to let people choose for themselves on the matter Give members and option to choose to support the clans they want-- if they think a clan is too discriminatory (for any group), then they can refuse to join and therefore not support it.
It works the same way currently in the American market. It's the store owner's right to be a racist ass, but he'll pay for it because people will not want to shop at a racist's store. Same method applies here. |
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Oct 20, 2016 8:51:26 GMT -5
I don't get why we're still debating on this? It's anti-discriminatory. Let's leave it alone. |
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Post by *MorningGlory* on Oct 20, 2016 9:00:14 GMT -5
I really think this should just go the free trade route. I.e., allow clan leaders to exclude certain characters as they will, but they will suffer the social consequences of it. If someone doesn't agree with the clan's individual rule on the matter, they don't have to join. Do you really want to force someone you know does not agree with your beliefs to accept you? I think both parties would be unhappy. The victimn would constantly know that the clan leader doesn't accept them personally, even if they must legally.
It's easier to let people choose for themselves on the matter Give members and option to choose to support the clans they want-- if they think a clan is too discriminatory (for any group), then they can refuse to join and therefore not support it.
It works the same way currently in the American market. It's the store owner's right to be a racist ass, but he'll pay for it because people will not want to shop at a racist's store. Same method applies here. That's exactly what I've been saying! If I had a no lgbt rule on my Rp I will not get butthurt if someone doesn't join because of it. I am not forcing my beliefs I am just stating that no, I dont want it on my rp. I personally have nothing against lgbt groups but I dont want it on my rp. |
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Oct 20, 2016 9:03:12 GMT -5
It's still discriminatory. I'd just stop, Morning. |
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Post by *MorningGlory* on Oct 20, 2016 9:08:48 GMT -5
And forcing an rp owner to change their rules isn't? That's not how it works.
The forums can be pro lgbt while still giving the members rights to say they dont want it on their rp. There are many rps that allow it and some that don't and there are quite a few rps that don't allow straight characters. Are the ones that only allow lgbt going to get deleted too?
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Oct 20, 2016 9:48:43 GMT -5
They literally just said they'd get a warning to change their rules. You act like it's one way and it's not.
It's not discriminatory for the forums to make someone change their rules because it hurts multiple people. Don't like it? Leave or deal with it. You act like your religion is being attacked when it's not. It goes both ways. Anti-straight role-plays now has to allow straights. In fact, those role-plays were made in response to anti-lbgtq+.
LGBTQ+ are constantly made to feel like they aren't being welcome. You're helping their argument by arguing against this rule. It's official now. If this doesn't work, then anything will be banned and religious cats/people like YOU will be excluded from role-plays. |
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Post by Sand on Oct 20, 2016 9:51:10 GMT -5
I'll reply later, am too tired right now.
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Post by *MorningGlory* on Oct 20, 2016 9:57:07 GMT -5
I'm not arguing against the rule or my religion. I'm not arguing at all,in fact I'm completely calm.
I support the lgbt community. But that doesn't mean I want to be forced to change my rules.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Oct 20, 2016 10:01:43 GMT -5
Not wanting them in your role-play isn't supporting them. You are indeed arguing against it by trying to get it changed. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 10:04:50 GMT -5
I feel like this rule could possibly be abused, but hopefully not. I'm just tired of drama on here so I'll be glad if this works
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