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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Sept 19, 2016 19:13:47 GMT -5
This was posted on her Facebook ~12 hours ago.
"I'm loving all the debate that Susi's list of Missing/Invisible Cats has conjured up! We will never all agree, which is absolutely fine. My favourite thing about my fans is that you are so brilliant at coming up with your own stories for the cats. It is such an honour that my characters feel so real to you that they have an existence beyond the printed page. Thank you!
As for what we believe in terms of kittypet heaven, well, I think one brief glance at religious beliefs around the world shows that there are lots of different interpretations. My vision of StarClan and feline afterlife will be a tiny bit different from everyone else's. I can't say I'm the only person who is "correct", that would be ridiculous!
So please keep debating the characters and stories, and coming up with your own ideas. The only thing I ask is that you respect other people's ideas, and are always, always kind. There's really no need to create bad feeling over something as insubstantial as a fictitious ***** cat!"
Sooo basically a little kid is now making decisions for Warriors. And people continue to wonder why series sales are decreasing.
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Post by Darkshine Laufeyson-Barnes on Sept 19, 2016 19:18:01 GMT -5
Um, Su is not a little kid. She's been a dedicated fan of the books for several years. I've talked to her before.
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Post by Bramblestar on Sept 19, 2016 19:19:19 GMT -5
Little kids are who the series is aimed at. Getting them involved with the storyline and authors is great. It probably makes their day, I know it would have made mine when I was younger.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 19, 2016 19:20:56 GMT -5
I thought people already knew that Vicky knew and trusted Su to give out information on the series since it's referenced on her FB twice.
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Sept 19, 2016 19:26:50 GMT -5
Little kids are who the series is aimed at. Getting them involved with the storyline and authors is great. It probably makes their day, I know it would have made mine when I was younger. Getting them involved is possible without letting them write the series. If the Erins wanted to do that, then they might as well put a Creative Commons license on the series and let everyone and anyone write for it. |
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Post by Bramblestar on Sept 19, 2016 19:32:41 GMT -5
Little kids are who the series is aimed at. Getting them involved with the storyline and authors is great. It probably makes their day, I know it would have made mine when I was younger. Getting them involved is possible without letting them write the series. If the Erins wanted to do that, then they might as well put a Creative Commons license on the series and let everyone and anyone write for it. But, it's just clearing things up that were never fully explained in the books. Nobody is writing anything, there's no harm done. If you don't like how it was explained then just ignore it, nobody is forcing you to believe it. |
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Post by tiger beetle on Sept 19, 2016 19:33:05 GMT -5
I vote that I get to confirm things next
edit: Bramblestar--while I get that, this isn't "I think probably this!" it's what's now canon, and while you* can ignore canon to make aus and fanfictions and stuff, it doesn't change what the official canon is unless an Erin (or I guess Su too) retracts it…declaring it noncanon because you don't like it doesn't hold in discussions about the series (you can debate when the books contradict themselves, but not when there's been 1 thing officially stated, you know?)
*general you here, not YOU you
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Post by 𝕡𝕖𝕡𝕡𝕖𝕣𝕞𝕚𝕟𝕥 on Sept 19, 2016 19:36:02 GMT -5
Smh.
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Post by mEmE on Sept 19, 2016 19:43:15 GMT -5
Well rest in peace, unless they come up wit better idea than being filled with hatred. I can't help but see the Dark Forest as a bunch of wannabes.
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Sept 19, 2016 19:54:15 GMT -5
Getting them involved is possible without letting them write the series. If the Erins wanted to do that, then they might as well put a Creative Commons license on the series and let everyone and anyone write for it. But, it's just clearing things up that were never fully explained in the books. Nobody is writing anything, there's no harm done. If you don't like how it was explained then just ignore it, nobody is forcing you to believe it. It's not a rumor any more; Vicky has pretty much confirmed that this girl's stuff about the DF is now canon. A fan creating canon like that just shows author laziness, in my opinion. |
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Post by Amber on Sept 19, 2016 20:04:16 GMT -5
But, it's just clearing things up that were never fully explained in the books. Nobody is writing anything, there's no harm done. If you don't like how it was explained then just ignore it, nobody is forcing you to believe it. It's not a rumor any more; Vicky has pretty much confirmed that this girl's stuff about the DF is now canon. A fan creating canon like that just shows author laziness, in my opinion. I agree with this completely. Don't rely on the fans to confirm things unless you, a.ka. the author, has at the very least thought over it. The fans don't know what exactly the author is thinking. the fans have no idea what the author thinks is true and what is not. what makes it worse is Vicky has created the DF where it was obvious evil cats go. Now it seems anyone can go there if they have strong, negative feelings or if they're crazy. That's basically saying, "Hey kids, if you are sad/depressed/have hate what has happened, the you are going to Hell." and that's not something kids should connect together. And as a quick note, I'm not saying that just because some fan "confirmed" something does it mean kids will think about things that way. (Excuse the language, sorry about that) |
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Post by *Faith* on Sept 19, 2016 20:11:49 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Su's not a little kid.
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Post by mEmE on Sept 19, 2016 20:23:33 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Su's not a little kid. In a sense it is a metaphor, then again, there is no age on the internet anyways |
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Post by kinkajou on Sept 19, 2016 20:32:06 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Su's not a little kid. She sure thinks like one |
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Post by kinkajou on Sept 19, 2016 20:32:53 GMT -5
Um, Su is not a little kid. She's been a dedicated fan of the books for several years. I've talked to her before. When you talked to her did she say things as ridiculous as she is now |
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Post by Bramblestar on Sept 19, 2016 20:44:03 GMT -5
I vote that I get to confirm things next edit: Bramblestar--while I get that, this isn't "I think probably this!" it's what's now canon, and while you* can ignore canon to make aus and fanfictions and stuff, it doesn't change what the official canon is unless an Erin (or I guess Su too) retracts it…declaring it noncanon because you don't like it doesn't hold in discussions about the series (you can debate when the books contradict themselves, but not when there's been 1 thing officially stated, you know?) *general you here, not YOU you Well, I never understood that any of this mattered so much to people. Everyone who was mentioned is dead or gone in the series... nothing about the new books was spoiled. If people care about something being canon and/or explained officially then why don't they like this? From what I've heard, when the authors say things themselves, they still sometimes get it wrong. I would think a dedicated fan could do a better job and that is what has happened hasn't it? |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 19, 2016 20:52:52 GMT -5
I vote that I get to confirm things next edit: Bramblestar--while I get that, this isn't "I think probably this!" it's what's now canon, and while you* can ignore canon to make aus and fanfictions and stuff, it doesn't change what the official canon is unless an Erin (or I guess Su too) retracts it…declaring it noncanon because you don't like it doesn't hold in discussions about the series (you can debate when the books contradict themselves, but not when there's been 1 thing officially stated, you know?) *general you here, not YOU you Well, I never understood that any of this mattered so much to people. Everyone who was mentioned is dead or gone in the series... nothing about the new books was spoiled. If people care about something being canon and/or explained officially then why don't they like this? From what I've heard, when the authors say things themselves, they still sometimes get it wrong. I would think a dedicated fan could do a better job and that is what has happened hasn't it? I think what's gotten everyone so riled up here is that there was never any indication that these cats deserved the Dark Forest, so it seems really random, even if their reasons are going to be explained soon. The wording that Su used for why Brightflower and Lilywhisker went to the Dark Forest was especially vague and almost comes off as going into headcanon territory. Vicky is also being helped by a fan of the series, and while this is nice, I've already seen people saying that maybe Su is using this and Vicky's forgetfulness to her advantage. That's what I've been seeing, anyway. |
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Post by Bramblestar on Sept 19, 2016 21:02:37 GMT -5
Well, I never understood that any of this mattered so much to people. Everyone who was mentioned is dead or gone in the series... nothing about the new books was spoiled. If people care about something being canon and/or explained officially then why don't they like this? From what I've heard, when the authors say things themselves, they still sometimes get it wrong. I would think a dedicated fan could do a better job and that is what has happened hasn't it? I think what's gotten everyone so riled up here is that there was never any indication that these cats deserved the Dark Forest, so it seems really random, even if their reasons are going to be explained soon. The wording that Su used for why Brightflower and Lilywhisker went to the Dark Forest was especially vague and almost comes off as going into headcanon territory. Vicky is also being helped by a fan of the series, and while this is nice, I've already seen people saying that maybe Su is using this and Vicky's forgetfulness to her advantage. That's what I've been seeing, anyway. I think people should at least give this person a chance, though if it's true that she is abusing this then that's absolutely wrong. Is there any evidence that she is taking advantage, though? She's just trying to be helpful from what it sounds like. Maybe on the dark forest thing she said, (which I haven't seen for myself) it wasn't really clear what the authors themselves thought so she decided to be vague because of that. One could argue that's better than just throwing out a very detailed reply that isn't open to any interpretation. It just appears that everyone is jumping to conclusions, is what I'm saying. |
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Post by kinkajou on Sept 19, 2016 21:06:23 GMT -5
I vote that I get to confirm things next edit: Bramblestar--while I get that, this isn't "I think probably this!" it's what's now canon, and while you* can ignore canon to make aus and fanfictions and stuff, it doesn't change what the official canon is unless an Erin (or I guess Su too) retracts it…declaring it noncanon because you don't like it doesn't hold in discussions about the series (you can debate when the books contradict themselves, but not when there's been 1 thing officially stated, you know?) *general you here, not YOU you Well, I never understood that any of this mattered so much to people. Everyone who was mentioned is dead or gone in the series... nothing about the new books was spoiled. If people care about something being canon and/or explained officially then why don't they like this? From what I've heard, when the authors say things themselves, they still sometimes get it wrong. I would think a dedicated fan could do a better job and that is what has happened hasn't it? You'll find that people here are very passionate about fictional cats |
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Post by Bramblestar on Sept 19, 2016 21:09:44 GMT -5
Well, I never understood that any of this mattered so much to people. Everyone who was mentioned is dead or gone in the series... nothing about the new books was spoiled. If people care about something being canon and/or explained officially then why don't they like this? From what I've heard, when the authors say things themselves, they still sometimes get it wrong. I would think a dedicated fan could do a better job and that is what has happened hasn't it? You'll find that people here are very passionate about fictional cats Welp, guess I keep forgetting that... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 21:10:04 GMT -5
I vote that I get to confirm things next edit: Bramblestar--while I get that, this isn't "I think probably this!" it's what's now canon, and while you* can ignore canon to make aus and fanfictions and stuff, it doesn't change what the official canon is unless an Erin (or I guess Su too) retracts it…declaring it noncanon because you don't like it doesn't hold in discussions about the series (you can debate when the books contradict themselves, but not when there's been 1 thing officially stated, you know?) *general you here, not YOU you Well, I never understood that any of this mattered so much to people. Everyone who was mentioned is dead or gone in the series... nothing about the new books was spoiled. If people care about something being canon and/or explained officially then why don't they like this? From what I've heard, when the authors say things themselves, they still sometimes get it wrong. I would think a dedicated fan could do a better job and that is what has happened hasn't it? People are upset because two characters who never did anything wrong were sent to the Dark Forest for reasons that are completely ridiculous. Brightflower for being reasonably upset after her kittens were murdered, and Lilywhisker for being forced to retire after an accident. Neither of those things make either cat evil, but they are still being punished for feeling emotions that every character in the book has experienced before. Not to mention, we have already seen that StarClan is forgiving of situations like this. Bluestar, Cinderpelt, Ashfur, Flametail, and countless other cats went through the same situation as these two and all ended up in StarClan. But when a queen is driven to grief over her children's death and nothing more, she is somehow on the same level as a cat like Tigerstar or Brokenstar, who actually commited terrible crimes. It would be like if one day I decided Briarlight would go to the Dark Forest when she died, because she was sad about being paralyzed, so it is now canon because I said so. It makes no sense and is unfair. |
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Post by Bramblestar on Sept 19, 2016 21:12:53 GMT -5
Well, I never understood that any of this mattered so much to people. Everyone who was mentioned is dead or gone in the series... nothing about the new books was spoiled. If people care about something being canon and/or explained officially then why don't they like this? From what I've heard, when the authors say things themselves, they still sometimes get it wrong. I would think a dedicated fan could do a better job and that is what has happened hasn't it? People are upset because two characters who never did anything wrong were sent to the Dark Forest for reasons that are completely ridiculous. Brightflower for being reasonably upset after her kittens were murdered, and Lilywhisker for being forced to retire after an accident. Neither of those things make either cat evil, but they are still being punished for feeling emotions that every character in the book has experienced before. Not to mention, we have already seen that StarClan is forgiving of situations like this. Bluestar, Cinderpelt, Ashfur, Flametail, and countless other cats went through the same situation as these two and all ended up in StarClan. But when a queen is driven to grief over her children's death and nothing more, she is somehow on the same level as a cat like Tigerstar or Brokenstar, who actually commited terrible crimes. It would be like if one day I decided Briarlight would go to the Dark Forest when she died, because she was sad about being paralyzed, so it is now canon because I said so. It makes no sense and is unfair. Can someone please just post the actual statement so I can read it myself, or point me in the direction where it is? I don't understand this well enough. |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 19, 2016 21:15:42 GMT -5
I think what's gotten everyone so riled up here is that there was never any indication that these cats deserved the Dark Forest, so it seems really random, even if their reasons are going to be explained soon. The wording that Su used for why Brightflower and Lilywhisker went to the Dark Forest was especially vague and almost comes off as going into headcanon territory. Vicky is also being helped by a fan of the series, and while this is nice, I've already seen people saying that maybe Su is using this and Vicky's forgetfulness to her advantage. That's what I've been seeing, anyway. I think people should at least give this person a chance, though if it's true that she is abusing this then that's absolutely wrong. Is there any evidence that she is taking advantage, though? She's just trying to be helpful from what it sounds like. Maybe on the dark forest thing she said, (which I haven't seen for myself) it wasn't really clear what the authors themselves thought so she decided to be vague because of that. One could argue that's better than just throwing out a very detailed reply that isn't open to any interpretation. It just appears that everyone is jumping to conclusions, is what I'm saying. Yes, I suppose that's true. And there's no proof she isn't abusing her power, but then again, there's no proof that she is, either. Really, we can't know for sure. Still, again, it seems odd that those specific cats would be picked to go to the Dark Forest without there being any indication whatsoever that they belonged there. And if you haven't read the information for yourself, here's the link. m.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10154703033017454&id=29566467453&__mref=message_bubble |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 21:16:03 GMT -5
Bramblestar"I'm finally back with an answer! I had to check some cats with Vicky first so I won't make a misstake. So here they come: ~StarClan~ Amberleaf, Appledawn, Archeye, Ashheart, Aspenfall, Beetlenose, Birdsong, Brackenfoot, Bristlekit, Cedarpelt (RiverClan), Cloudrunner, Dawncloud, Dawnbright, Deerleap, Doespring, Echomist, Fallowtail, Featherstorm, Finchflight, Flailfoot, Flamepelt, Flykit, Frogleap, Frogtail, Grasskit (Son of Sunfish), Hareflight (Mate of Mistmouse), Hickorynose, Lakeshine, Larksplash, Leafshine, Lilystem, Littlekit (Daughter of Nettlespot), Mallowtail, Meadowslip, Mistmouse, Morningkit, Mosspaw (Son of Featherstorm), Mousewing, Mudclaw (Mate of Lizardstripe), Mudthorn, Nettlespot, Newtspeck, Nutwhisker, Owlfur, Petaldust, Pigeonpaw, Piketooth, Plumclaw, Poolcloud, Rabbitkit (Daughter of Palebird), Redclaw, Reedfeather, Reedtail, Rippleclaw, Rowanberry, Runningnose, Ryestalk, Scorchwind, Sedgecreek, Shadepelt (From season 1), Skyheart, Softwing, Sorrelpaw (Daughter of Meadowslip), Stagleap (Son of Hareflight), Sunfish, Splashkit, Tanglewhisker, Timberfur, Toadskip, Vixenkit, Voleclaw, Wetfoot, Whiteberry, Wolfstep, Wrenflight ~Nowhere~ Algernon, Bess, Domino, Fleck, Hal, Jake, Jay, Magpie, Marmelade, Mist, Mitzi (The loner in CP), Nutmeg (TR), Piper, Pixie, Quince, Reena (Daughter of Bess) , Reena (Sister of Bess)), Soot, Sparrow, Wee Hen ~Dark Forest~ Blizardwing, Brightflower, (Was filled with hate because she thought Yellowfang killed Mintkit and Marigoldkit. She died before the cats found out it was Brokenstar.) Deerfoot, Lilywhisker, (She got injured shortly after she became a warrior. Her hindleg was smashed and she had to go straight to the elders. She was furious of her fate to sit around for years unable to help. She is a bit like Briarlight with her broken back, but she wasn't able to settle her mind with her fate.) Marshcloud, Stumpytail, Tangleburr That's it! So MANY cats. But I also want to mention that none of that is mentioned in the books jet, so people won't get confused not to find crazy Dark Forest-Storys about the cats above. Vicky and I made their residences just jet, but they are cannon. Tell me if I forgot someone!"
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Sept 19, 2016 21:16:45 GMT -5
Whether what she says is canon is still up for debate. The only thing we know about her is that she is helping Vicky and that Vicky trusts her interpretations. Whether you judge her as a credible source or not is up to you. If you don't trust what she is saying, you don't have to count it as canon. What she is saying only affects the characters that had minor appearances in the books. It doesn't even affect the story or detract form the experience of reading the books. While I would like an expansion on the cats that are now in the Dark Forest, I don't think that the things that Su says is really worth making a big deal about.
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Post by kinkajou on Sept 19, 2016 21:18:39 GMT -5
Wait a second
It says Jake went nowhere right? Does kittypet StarClan count as "nowhere", or did he just instantly fade because he doesn't believe in anything? Because that second option wouldn't make sense, since he took Tallstar to StarClan and they visit each other sometimes...
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 19, 2016 21:28:39 GMT -5
It's official. I'm not picking up a book written by Vicki. Ever, not even out of the Warriors series.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 19, 2016 21:42:37 GMT -5
Um, Su is not a little kid. She's been a dedicated fan of the books for several years. I've talked to her before. |
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Post by darkforestwarrior on Sept 19, 2016 21:48:12 GMT -5
what I take issue with is reading the actual reason Brightflower went to the Dark Forest
So...she didn't go to StarClan because she was not mentally well? Meanwhile cats like Bluestar and Ashfur, both of who experienced hate followed by mental instability, go to StarClan? Also doesn't this send a terrible message, that if you're mentally ill you're a bad person?
All of that ON TOP of having no indication that these cats belonged there. Yikes....
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