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Post by Chicken on Apr 8, 2024 0:04:54 GMT -5
They're the same cat, Splashtail is just Hawkfrost reincarnated. Think about it, BristleFROST, FROSTpaw, it's all been leading up to this But Bristlefrost and Frostpaw were alive simultaneously at one point. I like the theory, though. I don't mean Bristle and Frost are him reincarnated, just that their names are signs pointing to it
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Post by Purdyisbestboi on Apr 8, 2024 5:35:58 GMT -5
Look at this meme somebody posted on the wiki Discord lolol Im just wondering what an old woman is doing in the presumably high school yearbook.
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Post by Purdyisbestboi on Apr 8, 2024 5:37:35 GMT -5
They're the same cat, Splashtail is just Hawkfrost reincarnated. Think about it, BristleFROST, FROSTpaw, it's all been leading up to this But Bristlefrost and Frostpaw were alive simultaneously at one point. I like the theory, though. Maybe they pulled a devils arithmetic, and Bristlefrost just possessed Frostkit.
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Post by Katanaheart on Apr 8, 2024 8:51:08 GMT -5
Look at this meme somebody posted on the wiki Discord lolol Im just wondering what an old woman is doing in the presumably high school yearbook. Teachers can also be present based on grade level within the yearbook, typically near the very end of the list. Hawkfrost just looks much cooler with this design while Splashtail looks like a more boring Tigerclone with less muscle. The downsides of being a dark brown tabby in warrior cats.
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Post by Katanaheart on Apr 8, 2024 18:09:50 GMT -5
Quoting isn’t working for some reason. But yes, Hawkfrost is typically the least Tiger-clone looking. With the art that was posted and his wiki Sprite makes Splashtail look more like a Tigerclone anyway. (His base allegiance description just describe him as a brown tabby so he should be lighter than a Tigerclone but he still looks dark brown in art, to me.)
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 8, 2024 18:13:17 GMT -5
Quoting isn’t working for some reason. But yes, Hawkfrost is typically the least Tiger-clone looking. With the art that was posted and his wiki Sprite makes Splashtail look more like a Tigerclone anyway. (His base allegiance description just describe him as a brown tabby so he should be lighter than a Tigerclone but he still looks dark brown in art, to me.) Ah I figured, I'll be honest, I can't help but be confused when people saying Splashtail is the "cooler" or "better" Hawkfrost. His name is silly, his behavior is cartoony villain territory, and even his design is very... boring. Like I get wanting to prop him up, but I personally don't think he compares to the bigger hitters in the series. At most he's more like Slash, but has less impact than Darktail. I'm kinda just gonna chalk it up to him being the "newest" villain, so he's more of a rave right now. But I do find it interesting, that when compared to Icewing, most prefer her over him it would seem.
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Post by Katanaheart on Apr 8, 2024 18:20:14 GMT -5
Quoting isn’t working for some reason. But yes, Hawkfrost is typically the least Tiger-clone looking. With the art that was posted and his wiki Sprite makes Splashtail look more like a Tigerclone anyway. (His base allegiance description just describe him as a brown tabby so he should be lighter than a Tigerclone but he still looks dark brown in art, to me.) Ah I figured, I'll be honest, I can't help but be confused when people saying Splashtail is the "cooler" or "better" Hawkfrost. His name is silly, his behavior is cartoony villain territory, and even his design is very... boring. Like I get wanting to prop him up, but I personally don't think he compares to the bigger hitters in the series. At most he's more like Slash, but has less impact than Darktail. I'm kinda just gonna chalk it up to him being the "newest" villain, so he's more of a rave right now. But I do find it interesting, that when compared to Icewing, most prefer her over him it would seem. I feel if Splashtail was swapped for Fognose, we’d have a more interesting design for a villain at least. But her name invokes less terror than her brother’s. (Same with Curlfeather’s as well.)
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Post by Hollyfall on Apr 8, 2024 22:03:11 GMT -5
Quoting isn’t working for some reason. But yes, Hawkfrost is typically the least Tiger-clone looking. With the art that was posted and his wiki Sprite makes Splashtail look more like a Tigerclone anyway. (His base allegiance description just describe him as a brown tabby so he should be lighter than a Tigerclone but he still looks dark brown in art, to me.) Ah I figured, I'll be honest, I can't help but be confused when people saying Splashtail is the "cooler" or "better" Hawkfrost. His name is silly, his behavior is cartoony villain territory, and even his design is very... boring. Like I get wanting to prop him up, but I personally don't think he compares to the bigger hitters in the series. At most he's more like Slash, but has less impact than Darktail. I'm kinda just gonna chalk it up to him being the "newest" villain, so he's more of a rave right now. But I do find it interesting, that when compared to Icewing, most prefer her over him it would seem. Obviously I can't speak for everyone on it, but between the two I find Splashtail the more compelling and better written. I didn't really enjoy Hawkfrost that much (granted, I don't hate him, just wasn't a fan of his characterization) and found it obvious he was a villain from the start. Splashtail's was a little more ambiguous, and his character thus far seems to be a mix of genuine ambition and a misguided attempt to make his Clan strong again. I can see the argument for the less-than-intimidating name and him being like a cartoon-esque villain, though personally I don't agree with it and don't bother me that much. There's examples of it in the series as well. At the end of the day I just prefer Splashtail and find him handled better. It's fine if people like Hawkfrost more though, of course. Not trying to start an argument, just my two cents.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 8, 2024 23:20:52 GMT -5
Ah I figured, I'll be honest, I can't help but be confused when people saying Splashtail is the "cooler" or "better" Hawkfrost. His name is silly, his behavior is cartoony villain territory, and even his design is very... boring. Like I get wanting to prop him up, but I personally don't think he compares to the bigger hitters in the series. At most he's more like Slash, but has less impact than Darktail. I'm kinda just gonna chalk it up to him being the "newest" villain, so he's more of a rave right now. But I do find it interesting, that when compared to Icewing, most prefer her over him it would seem. Obviously I can't speak for everyone on it, but between the two I find Splashtail the more compelling and better written. I didn't really enjoy Hawkfrost that much (granted, I don't hate him, just wasn't a fan of his characterization) and found it obvious he was a villain from the start. Splashtail's was a little more ambiguous, and his character thus far seems to be a mix of genuine ambition and a misguided attempt to make his Clan strong again. I can see the argument for the less-than-intimidating name and him being like a cartoon-esque villain, though personally I don't agree with it and don't bother me that much. There's examples of it in the series as well. At the end of the day I just prefer Splashtail and find him handled better. It's fine if people like Hawkfrost more though, of course. Not trying to start an argument, just my two cents. Just my thoughts, not an argument: Hawkfrost wasn't supposed to be a "hidden" twist villain of any sort. He is a misguided character who walked down the darker path and was supposed to be a parallel to Bramblestar's character. Bramble wanted to stay by Hawk's side, and hope for the good of their relationship, as brothers. But in the end, Hawkfrost preferred his father's ideals, and even Bramble was swayed by them at one point. I don't think the story made any attempt to hide he was evil or anything, because that wasn't the direction of his character in the first place. The struggle of them grappling with their father's influence was the point of their arcs, Bramble chose Firestar, but Hawk chose Tiger, and in the end, Bramble couldn't save his brother. Then later, in OotS, Hawk becomes the perfect foil to Ivypool's character, thus continuing the cycle, but eventually, just like Bramble, Ivypool in the end chose StarClan over the Dark Forest. On the other hand... if I had to compare Splashtail, to a more known villain trope, maybe Hans from Frozen? I just don't think the execution was there. And there was a character that had better potential of being a villain over him. In the case with Splashtail, the character would be Curlfeather, or even Berryheart. Splashtail is supposed to be a "twist" villain, but even he became very obvious because of how he was behaving around Frostpaw. To me, the twist that Curlfeather manipulated her daughter since she was a kit, is more of a twist imo. I thought Splashtail was interesting at first but the way they're handling him now is a bit too on the nose and too cartoony. The fact that he's just casually blurting out information when he's not in safe areas as well makes it even easier to tell how predictable he is. And the only reason he's still in leadership, isn't because he's smart, it's because the rest of RiverClan is desperate, and the other clans are being incompetent. Regardless of them thinking he has 9 lives, nothing is stopping a bunch of cats from just beating him up and imprisoning him, similarly with Brokenstar, and he at least was a strong fighter. Splashtail's only feats right now is catching a deputy off guard, attacking an apprentice off guard, and killing one of his own warriors off guard.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Apr 9, 2024 9:14:43 GMT -5
Just adding my own personal two cents, I personally have a hard time taking Splashtail seriously as a villain. And it's not because of his name or age or anything like that; it's because of the way he is written. As far as villains go, he's just "okay". Interesting in theory but a bit lackluster in execution.
The main problem for me is that I feel like we get a lot of "telling" over "showing" with Splashtail's villainy. We keep being told in the narrative that he's this mastermind manipulator capable of swaying a whole clan, but the only time he's convincingly portrayed as manipulative is at the beginning of the arc with Frostpaw. Any other time he's depicted as beguiling, it never seems convincing to me personally; like it works on other characters but I don't get why other than the plot needs it to. (This is related to a broader issue I have with this series where every character is unrealistically dumb AF in order to move the story forward, but I am not gonna go down that rabbit hole right now).
Anyways, it just feels like the narrative is constantly trying to impress upon the audience in explicit terms, "Isn't Splashtail sooo evil? Look at the evil things he does! Look how manipulative he is!" not hard to be manipulative when everyone else is dumb as a rock but i digress. Whereas I feel like with Hawkfrost, the reader was able to understand he was up to no good just by presenting the evidence. He would manipulate other characters without the narrative later being like, "See that? He just manipulated someone!" The writing just felt more subtle to me. Also Hawkfrost in WOC was really good.
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Post by Chicken on Apr 9, 2024 13:55:45 GMT -5
Just adding my own personal two cents, I personally have a hard time taking Splashtail seriously as a villain. And it's not because of his name or age or anything like that; it's because of the way he is written. As far as villains go, he's just "okay". Interesting in theory but a bit lackluster in execution. The main problem for me is that I feel like we get a lot of "telling" over "showing" with Splashtail's villainy. We keep being told in the narrative that he's this mastermind manipulator capable of swaying a whole clan, but the only time he's convincingly portrayed as manipulative is at the beginning of the arc with Frostpaw. Any other time he's depicted as beguiling, it never seems convincing to me personally; like it works on other characters but I don't get why other than the plot needs it to. (This is related to a broader issue I have with this series where every character is unrealistically dumb AF in order to move the story forward, but I am not gonna go down that rabbit hole right now). Anyways, it just feels like the narrative is constantly trying to impress upon the audience in explicit terms, "Isn't Splashtail sooo evil? Look at the evil things he does! Look how manipulative he is!" not hard to be manipulative when everyone else is dumb as a rock but i digress. Whereas I feel like with Hawkfrost, the reader was able to understand he was up to no good just by presenting the evidence. He would manipulate other characters without the narrative later being like, "See that? He just manipulated someone!" The writing just felt more subtle to me. Also Hawkfrost in WOC was really good. I agree with this, at least with how I'm interpreting this. Splashtail being a villain kinda makes the rest of RiverClan + cats in other clans who support him look like idiots, do they really believe that a below 2 year old cat who never had an apprentice was chosen by StarClan to be leader of a falling apart clan? Are they really afraid of one cat? With Bramblestar and the imposter it's a bit different since Bramblestar was already an established leader, but Splashtail? Just band together and kill the guy, power in numbers
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