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Post by Poppysong on Nov 17, 2023 14:58:13 GMT -5
Which mother is the worst? They are both pretty bad, but I think I'm going to have to go with Curlfeather. What kind of mother manipulates their own daughter for power?
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Post by Purdyisbestboi on Nov 17, 2023 15:02:57 GMT -5
Curlfeather. Something tells me that her act of love when she died was really a last-ditch effort to not go to the Dark Forest when she realized she was going to die.
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Post by pepperflake on Nov 17, 2023 15:52:40 GMT -5
Curlfeather by far. She lied and manipulated. At least Berryheart is doing it all for her kits even if it is for a twisted reason.
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Post by کیوان on Nov 17, 2023 16:03:21 GMT -5
Whereas Berryheart struggled to finesse Sunbeam, Curlfeather finessed the audience. That’s not something a mom should do.
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Post by wickedbroccoli on Nov 17, 2023 20:48:59 GMT -5
At least with Berryheart we know why she’s doing what she’s doing and what caused her to think the way she does. Has she taken it way too far? Oh, for sure, but there are valid reasons for her behavior. Curlfeather, on the other hand, we have no insight to why she did what she did beyond the assumption of her wanting power. But for how she treated her daughter is horrid. Berryheart’s actions are at least coming from a twisted sense of love since it’s shown she does love her kits, whereas with Curlfeather, how can we be sure she truly loved her children?
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Post by Wolfdawn 𖦹 on Nov 18, 2023 2:52:09 GMT -5
Curlfeather for sure!
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Post by Nettle on Nov 18, 2023 4:08:05 GMT -5
I don't know either cats but from what I've read Curlfeathet lol
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Post by ! (Ġray) ! on Nov 18, 2023 4:36:06 GMT -5
A 'which mother is worse' poll without rainflower on it???
Times have changed...
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Post by Nettle on Nov 18, 2023 4:58:06 GMT -5
A 'which mother is worse' poll without rainflower on it??? Times have changed... First thing I thought was to vote Rainflower ((Edit: Rainflower and Crookedstar actually made up in Starclan!))
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 18, 2023 9:58:50 GMT -5
I mean, I’d rather have a racist mom that causes problems but at least I know she loves me and is in part speaking from her own trauma, then a mom who would murder, lie, and manipulate in order to make herself a political leader.
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*Ravenpaw*
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*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Nov 18, 2023 19:34:12 GMT -5
Curlfeather
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Post by {Azure} on Nov 18, 2023 21:59:13 GMT -5
berryheart by far
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Nov 19, 2023 0:54:21 GMT -5
I love Curlfeather. I really do. Her appearing in Frostpaw's vision and saying she'd die a thousand times just to ensure her daughter's safety solidified my opinion of her. She knew she'd lost - she knew it was her last chance to ever see her daughter again. It was a heartbreaking and tragic scene, it was amazing. But that does not make her a good mother. She manipulated her infant daughter's future just so she could be in a position of power. Let me reiterate that; she used her daughter's future as a role in her illegal plot to gain power.
And again, I don't hate her. She's honestly a favourite character of mine right now. I'm not sure if this is the correct word, but would it make sense to call her morally ambiguous?
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Nov 19, 2023 0:56:20 GMT -5
I'm curious why you think that. Sure, Berryheart is bad, but Curlfeather plotted a murder and manipulated her daughter's future, right? At least Berryheart's plans were just to kick out Tigertwo and the new ShadowClan members, there was no murder involved and she didn't try to force Sunbeam to help her. And even if she did, at least Sunbeam would've known that she was participating in it. Frostpaw had no idea that her mother was using her.
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Nov 19, 2023 1:00:30 GMT -5
((Edit: Rainflower and Crookedstar actually made up in Starclan!)) When did that happen?
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Post by Nettle on Nov 19, 2023 5:33:53 GMT -5
((Edit: Rainflower and Crookedstar actually made up in Starclan!)) When did that happen? Idk I saw it on a tiktok lol
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Slightdapple
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Post by Slightdapple on Nov 19, 2023 9:22:10 GMT -5
Curlfeather.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 19, 2023 9:23:38 GMT -5
Idk I saw it on a tiktok lol I believe it was confirmed by one of the Erins, so it’s Word of God.
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Bisexual
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BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ
Villain Enjoyer
Finally reading Wind!
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Nov 19, 2023 12:51:42 GMT -5
Curlfeather. Sis is on a different level and I can respect that in terms of villainy.
Poor Frostpaw though...
We shall see if Berryheart outdoes her in terms of being a bad mother and villain in the last two ASC books (since she is mentioned in the Wind blurb to not be done with her scheming just yet despite her exile) but I somehow doubt it.
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Post by 🌸🐥silvermoon2🐥🌸 on Nov 19, 2023 17:17:07 GMT -5
Curlfeather definitley. I can't believe what she did to Frostpaw, it was horrible. I feel so bad for Frostpaw, she doesn't deserve this.
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Post by sorrelheart909 on Nov 19, 2023 20:02:08 GMT -5
Curlfeather by far, she used her daughter and possibly worse, Berryheart isn't the best but at least she seems to have more of a reason even though it is not an excuse for all of her actions
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Nov 20, 2023 5:17:56 GMT -5
Idk I saw it on a tiktok lol Yeah that's probably why, warrior cats tiktok just spreads misinformation
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Nov 20, 2023 5:19:16 GMT -5
Idk I saw it on a tiktok lol I believe it was confirmed by one of the Erins, so it’s Word of God. Eh, I don't think so. If it's confirmed by the Erins out-of-book then it's probably not canon, they aren't really allowed to do that
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 20, 2023 17:05:07 GMT -5
I believe it was confirmed by one of the Erins, so it’s Word of God. Eh, I don't think so. If it's confirmed by the Erins out-of-book then it's probably not canon, they aren't really allowed to do that …. they do that all the time tho. wdym “theyre not allowed to do that”
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Post by oatwhisker on Nov 20, 2023 17:05:11 GMT -5
curlfeather by far- but i love her!! she's so delightfully evil, what a problematic queen
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Nov 20, 2023 23:10:20 GMT -5
Eh, I don't think so. If it's confirmed by the Erins out-of-book then it's probably not canon, they aren't really allowed to do that …. they do that all the time tho. wdym “theyre not allowed to do that” As in, they can't actually confirm lore. They can say it's confirmed, but it never actually is. Take the whole Su Susann thing for example. Vicky treated it as canon and then it turned out it wasn't actually all along.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Nov 21, 2023 2:04:06 GMT -5
I chose Berryheart because her whole personality screams narcissist to me. That scene were she publicly berates Sunbeam hurts man, I've been through that personally my whole life. So she rubs me wrong a lot worse than Curlfeather for personal reasons. But Curlfeather is still a pos for what she did to Frostpaw.
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