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23/12/03—19/09/21 (thank you madie)
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Post by ratman on Aug 24, 2023 7:32:35 GMT -5
honestly this.....seems like a really boring rehash of dotc so far :/ I guess we have to vote for a cat who doesn’t need a SE next time. At least if we do that we won’t have a story that fill in the blanks in an unsatisfying manner or a boring SE. I didn’t really read the chapter spoilers. I just skimmed through them tbh because nothing in particular got my attention. theyre just being lazy about it >_> they easily couldve written a decent chunk of park life and him growing up, a wee bit of dotc stuff, then a good decent chunk of something post mfv. its ridiculous how lazy they are with the ses lately.
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Post by کیوان on Aug 24, 2023 8:02:00 GMT -5
I feel that with the rehashing SE’s, the Erins haven’t gotten a full grasp of pacing. In Onestar’s book, I felt that they were dropping the watermelon to grab the sesame seed. For example, why is Onewhisker’s time in the cave so much more important than his meeting Fireheart in hiding?
I personally don’t actually mind the inclusion of DoTC material as long as it shows how RiverClan would get to its current place; I just wish the events chosen were a little more fine-tuned. Better than the entire arc being about the Park cats like we originally hypothesized.
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Post by stupidflower on Aug 24, 2023 8:40:22 GMT -5
Honestly I think we should wait until we know all the spoilers to give concrete judgements. Idk how amazing the book could be in only 18 more chapters, but who knows? Then again, maybe I should lower my expectations.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Aug 24, 2023 13:41:07 GMT -5
I think the reason that at least a large chunk kf this book is a rehash is that they didn’t really have a strong original story for Riverstar to begin with, but they needed to write a whole SE in order for the last few chapters to tie into the ongoing main arc.
Basically I’m pretty sure this SE is just a backdoor for Frostpaw’s plot in ASC, and it’s showing.
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 24, 2023 15:10:04 GMT -5
I think the reason that at least a large chunk kf this book is a rehash is that they didn’t really have a strong original story for Riverstar to begin with, but they needed to write a whole SE in order for the last few chapters to tie into the ongoing main arc.
Basically I’m pretty sure this SE is just a backdoor for Frostpaw’s plot in ASC, and it’s showing. Honestly, that much became obvious to me when the blurb for Thunder came out and other people were commenting on the possibility as well. Alot of the SEs we've gotten lately have been used to support whatever's going on in this or that arc, so this isn't too surprising. But even for a rehash (and one for one of my favorite arcs at that), I'm just disappointed it isn't telling us anything new about Riverstar—be it his life or personality—that we didn't already know before, besides him having been in love with Flutter, I guess. This will almost certainly be relevant to the plot later, the problem is waiting for most of the book to be over before we actually get there.
Like I said, I don't think an SE on Ivypool or Mistystar would've been much better, but all this does make me wish the poll had been for a graphic novel or novella (minus Mistystar as an option, of course) instead. Sure, we might've not gotten Riverstar's nine lives ceremony, but at least we wouldn't have gotten a near complete rehash of an entire arc, either.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Aug 24, 2023 15:52:57 GMT -5
I guess we have to vote for a cat who doesn’t need a SE next time. At least if we do that we won’t have a story that fill in the blanks in an unsatisfying manner or a boring SE. I didn’t really read the chapter spoilers. I just skimmed through them tbh because nothing in particular got my attention. theyre just being lazy about it >_> they easily couldve written a decent chunk of park life and him growing up, a wee bit of dotc stuff, then a good decent chunk of something post mfv. its ridiculous how lazy they are with the ses lately. This is genuinely why I wanted Ivypool to win, there was plenty of new territory they could have explored with her character, since she was out of focus for so long, and also because it would have given us some look at clan life in between the series, or going forward. I kinda figured most of Riverstar's story would be a rehash, or start as one.
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 24, 2023 16:15:15 GMT -5
And that's AFD and POS all wrapped up. Next up, MFV. It's very interesting to see that there were more cats in RiverClan that just weren't in the allegiances. Mist is still there when RC if formed and we also have Croak and Hollow. I'm glad we get to see Dappled Pelt and Shattered Ice joining. and now we have Kite and her three kits. I'm guessing Trout Fur and Snow Tail are two of them. Not sure if they are older or if Pine and Drizzle are older. Can't wait for the nine lives ceremony.
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 24, 2023 16:21:39 GMT -5
Quick question: Who is Kite's third kit? I'm assuming Trout Fur and Snow Tail are two of them. Also, does the book give us genders and descriptions? At least one of them is a tom.
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Post by danilynnea on Aug 24, 2023 17:27:49 GMT -5
My question is does Riverstar ever take a mate and have kits. Be interesting to know he has descendants many years later.
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Post by brightheartt on Aug 24, 2023 17:34:31 GMT -5
My question is does Riverstar ever take a mate and have kits. Be interesting to know he has descendants many years later. What if Frostpaw is his direct descendant. What do we do then?
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Post by kingfoot on Aug 24, 2023 17:39:10 GMT -5
this isn't as much related to Riverstar's Home but more to ASC, I think that the cats of the park are going to show up and somehow bring back Riverclan.
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Post by kingfoot on Aug 24, 2023 17:39:54 GMT -5
this isn't as much related to Riverstar's Home but more to ASC, I think that the cats of the park are going to show up and somehow bring back Riverclan.
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Post by brightheartt on Aug 24, 2023 17:56:03 GMT -5
this isn't as much related to Riverstar's Home but more to ASC, I think that the cats of the park are going to show up and somehow bring back Riverclan. Wind Blurb Spoilers (seriously don’t read this if you don’t want Thunder spoiled) Its already confirmed that Nightheart goes on the journey with Frostpaw and brings park cats back with him to ThunderClan
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#add8e6
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*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Aug 24, 2023 19:45:59 GMT -5
!!! That cover's beautiful! Oh man, it's mostly a rehash of my least favorite arc? Wow. Are these editors taking notes from Stephenie Meyer? (jk)
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Post by Sphinxwhisker on Aug 24, 2023 19:59:22 GMT -5
Quick question: Who is Kite's third kit? I'm assuming Trout Fur and Snow Tail are two of them. Also, does the book give us genders and descriptions? At least one of them is a tom. Trout Fur and Snow Tail are Tom’s. And the thirds a She-cat named Willow Stream.
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 24, 2023 20:04:16 GMT -5
Quick question: Who is Kite's third kit? I'm assuming Trout Fur and Snow Tail are two of them. Also, does the book give us genders and descriptions? At least one of them is a tom. Trout Fur and Snow Tail are Tom’s. And the thirds a She-cat named Willow Tail. Thanks! So they reused Willow Tail's name? Interesting choice. No wonder these kits weren't in the allegiances of Moth Flight's Vision. There would've been two Willow Tail's. Just kidding. They probably weren't even thought up yet. But I am convinced the reason they got rid of the RC Mintfur was because there was another Mintfur in SkC. You never know.
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Post by Sphinxwhisker on Aug 24, 2023 20:06:33 GMT -5
*Faith* My phone auto corrected. The She-cat’s named Willow Stream. Sorry for the typo
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 24, 2023 20:13:13 GMT -5
*Faith* My phone auto corrected. The She-cat’s named Willow Stream. Sorry for the typo Ah, okay. Thanks! Willow Stream is a super pretty name and definitely fitting for a RC cat. So is Trout Fur. Snow Tail doesn't have a name that relates to the river or fish. But his name is super cute.
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Post by stupidflower on Aug 24, 2023 20:20:07 GMT -5
Willow Stream and Snow Tail are super cute names!
Trout Fur is... certainly a name as well.
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Post by Sphinxwhisker on Aug 24, 2023 23:34:35 GMT -5
Chapter 18. Riverstar’s Nine Lives Ceremony. River Ripple marveled the cliffs of the Moonstone towering above him. He now understood what had drawn Moth Flight there. River Ripple was hesitant to follow Dappled Pelt into the tunnel. But Dappled pelt beckoned him with urgency, so he pushed his anxiety aside and ventured after her. River found it hard to believe that when Wind Runner had been terminally wounded. That Moth Flight brought her to the moonstone, and she’d been brought back to life. Now with nine lives. Night had misgivings, but wished him luck on his venture. Dappled Pelt navigated them through the tunnels, assuring him they’d reach the moonstone soon.
Once they arrived, Dappled pelt instructed him to touch the stone with his nose. The cave vanished before him, as he opened his eyes to find himself in a hollow. Cats if Starclan sparkled before him. He recognized Storm, Hawk Swoop and Falling feather. Gray Wing stepped forward. River’s throat tightened as he relates he’d missed him. Gray Wing assured he’d hadn’t left him, and thanks him for all his help, then asks if he’s ready to receive his lives. River declares he is.
Gray Wing then grants him a life with Clarity and perspective. As the hot sensation fades, Quiet Rain steps forward and gives a life for Kindness and humility, that he show compassion to every cat he meets. Moon Shadow then steps forward, With his life is granted patience. Storm follows next, expressing gratitude for being the stepping stone to connecting to the living, before bestowing the life of a wise, nurturing heart to encourage his clan, and one day his kits. He blinked wondering if that’d mean he’d be reunited with Flutter someday.
Next in line is Jackdaw’s Cry, who gives a life with resilience, to endure when others fall. Hawk Swoop takes his place, and gives a life with initiative, to always lead and not follow. Rivers about to usher thanks, when another cat steps forward. Rainswept Flower touched his head, then granted a life of honesty, that he can ensure others will trust him with their lives. Frost takes her place, and bestows a life with fairness, to deal with friends as kin.
As the sensations faded, River wondered if that was every life. But another cat stepped forward. Grief pierced him as Flutter stood before him. Flutter begins that she’s sorry, and was killed by a monster. River forces back a wail as he laments he should have been there to save her, and should be living the life they planned. River felt now his dream was gone, his heart would never heal. Flutter proclaims it’s her destiny to be there, to grant his last life.
River cries he doesn’t want it, nor her to be dead. She reaches forward, and hesitantly accepts his final life. Flutter gives him life with courage, to stand beside his clanmates against whatever, no matter how defeated he feels. River feels the grief being driven from his heart, and fills with determination. He opens his eyes and gazes as Flutter purrs softly. He he purred, grateful to see her finally. And although they’d lost the life they’d planned. Their separation had ended. Gray Wing then instructs him to take Night as his deputy, to give him strength when he has none. Riverstar’s belly tightened from the prospect of his new responsibility, but lifted his chin, promising he’d face it. Starclan chanted his name, Flutters echoing the loudest. It was time for him to return to Dappled Pelt, and Find Night waiting outside, to journey back home.
Now some thoughts on the book. Obvious spoilers, so be advised.
I’m not exactly sure how to feel about this book. The ending was pretty underwhelming. While it showed promise to pick up during the latter half….. it really didn’t. I’d give this book at best a low 6/10… probably leaning towards 5/10. There are the some highlights. But they are far and few in-between. And unfortunately brought down by rather repetitive, and some cases homogenized chapters/scenes that could be copy paste from a previous chapter. And while it doesn’t do anything particularly bad, or have horrible writing. It also doesn’t do much particularly well either. And the Story/plot treads some very familiar/recent roads. As River’s Story Arc bears many similarities to Violetshine/Twigbranch and Rootspring’s(minus the coming of age part, being he’s already an adult from the beginning)Story arcs, so there’s really no bonus points for originality.
This book literally seems to serve the sole purpose of developing Riverstar’s character/inserting his perspective into every major event from DoTC, and appeasing hardcore DOTC/Riverstar fans, and not much else. But hey, maybe some people will be satisfied with that, and if that floats people’s boats, more power to them. My biggest surprise is the book doesn’t attempt to tie into ASC. As I thought it would be a relevant read. However, one can easily skip this book and not miss out on anything relevant to ASC.
Unless it turns out that Frostpaw is a descendant of Riverstar(yes, he does find another mate and have kits) and they attempt some symbolic type comparison between the situation in Modern Riverclan to an event that occurs at the ending of Riverstar’s SE. but even than it’d be superficial, and wouldn’t make it a necessary tie-in read.
Overall this book perfectly embodies the phrase “Same Sh*t, different disc” to a T.
And that will likely be everything for tonight as I have a long day tomorrow, and had a tiresome day. I’ll post more tomorrow(TW: traveling chapters incoming😉) and will finish up the rest over the weekend. G’night all.
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 24, 2023 23:44:49 GMT -5
The ceremony is what I was looking forward towards the most! Aww, RIP Flutter! And I'm guessing Riverstar ends up having kits with Night since she seems to make the most sense now that his first love is dead. After what happened with the Shadows, I'm actually glad he ends up having kits someday.
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 24, 2023 23:56:56 GMT -5
Yay, I'm so glad to see Riverstar's nine lives ceremony. Aw, poor Flutter. :c RIP. But at least we know she's in StC. I honestly don't mind Riverstar gaining a mate and kits. I can't wait to see how many kits he has. Since Windstar and Skystar both still have descendants alive (implied in Skystar's case), then it would make me extremely happy if Riverstar does as well. Thunderstar is Skystar's son, so it would still count as Skystar's descendants. That would make Shadowstar the only founder with no descendants. That makes me sad.
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 25, 2023 0:01:42 GMT -5
Yay, I'm so glad to see Riverstar's nine lives ceremony. Aw, poor Flutter. :c RIP. But at least we know she's in StC. I honestly don't mind Riverstar gaining a mate and kits. I can't wait to see how many kits he has. Since Windstar and Skystar both still have descendants alive (implied in Skystar's case), then it would make me extremely happy if Riverstar does as well. Thunderstar is Skystar's son, so it would still count as Skystar's descendants. That would make Shadowstar the only founder with no descendants. That makes me sad. I will forever be mad that Shadowstar doesn't have any descendants, not even distant, unless it eventually gets revealed Sun Shadow left behind a pregnant mate, but I doubt it.
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Post by کیوان on Aug 25, 2023 0:07:30 GMT -5
Someone did point out that while DoTC is portrayed to be the “start of it all” book, a large number of the cast ends up dying without starting a family. That made me think about what the Clans were cooking between DoTC and TPB. As we see, learning to let go of Flutter does play into River Ripple’s arc. Whether he chooses to stay single or seek love is another question. Not a lot of cats from RiverClan at the ceremony, but at the end of the day, River Ripple is a Clan cat, whether he likes it or not. Is there really not much of a tie-in to ASC? Perhaps ASC itself will include something that prompts us to look at Riverstar’s book and say “oh, that checks out.”
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Post by Mistybreeze on Aug 25, 2023 0:48:17 GMT -5
Aw, rip Flutter. But I had a feeling she was a goner. She was the last reason River really had to potentially return to the Park. Now it'll definitely be just a quick mission.
I'm looking forward to seeing RiverxNight. As soon her dead mate and kits were mentioned, I knew he was going to end up with her. It's a used trop in Warriors, but one I never tire of reading.
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Post by brightheartt on Aug 25, 2023 2:16:37 GMT -5
I gotta know who gives him his last life, because it's gonna be important.Before I inevitably get proved wrong I wonder if maybe they will pull a plot twist and have it revealed that Arc or Flutter died and they give him his last life Can’t believe that was actually right. I’m disappointed Flutter was literally just there to be a love interest and die, she didn’t even get any lines while she was alive
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Bisexual
#FF00EC
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BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ
Villain Enjoyer
Finally reading Wind!
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Aug 25, 2023 3:16:55 GMT -5
This is why I wanted an Ivypool SE... Or heck even the Mistystar one (even though she already had a novella and I dislike her as a character at this point) in terms of the other two voting options on last year's Super Edition poll. Just kidding but not really at this point lol (I voted for Riverstar on the poll). For real though, this book feels a tad disapponting so far even just from the spoiler thread(s). Just like Onestar's Confession from last year, I will not be purchasing the hardcover edition and instead am going to wait for the paperback (speaking of which, this reminded me to order OC as a paperback soon since it comes out on the same day as Riverstar's Home iirc). Disappointed but not surprised that Riverstar apparently ends up with a mate and kits (probably will indeed be Night). I've said it multiple times but this really does mean now that Shadowstar is the only leader without any (known) descendants (unless her nephew Sun Shadow had some hidden kits somehow). I was hoping that Skystar, Windstar and Thunderstar would be the only founders with kits while both Shadowstar and Riverstar stay mateless and kitless (by choice). I might start shipping Riverstar with Shadowstar out of spite jk (on top of me still shipping him with Gray Wing).
Maybe Frostpaw will indeed be revealed as a Riverstar descendant. I know some people really want that and guess it could make for a cool reveal.
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Asexual
🩶Silverspark🩶
how do I keep getting money?!
Pronouns: She/her or cat pronouns
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Post by 🩶Silverspark🩶 on Aug 25, 2023 10:53:52 GMT -5
I love Riverstar I’m dying to get it
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 25, 2023 17:17:46 GMT -5
Hm, the founders got their nine lives in greenleaf. MFV ended in leaf-fall. Then we skip leaf-bare and go to newleaf for TE. According to the events timeline, TE also took place during greenleaf. SL is a bit confusing to me timeline wise. The events timeline has this book take place in leaf-fall, though I'm not sure how the wiki exactly knows when after TE it takes place. But with so much timeskip, I wonder when the rest of this SE takes place.
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Asexual
#07B04C
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Ṣanɗypaw™
The Shiny User
🎵Guess that's just the way it goes, easy come, easy go🎵
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Aug 25, 2023 17:26:26 GMT -5
Where does it say that Riverstar ends up with a mate and kits? I must have missed that part.
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