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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2022 15:50:26 GMT -5
While I see where you're coming from, I don't think it's fair to judge the reasons why people ship these kinds of ships. After all, it is their own opinion. im not commenting on any one person specifically. i'm just speaking about a general fandom trend that makes me uncomfortable. i've seen on threads (with prompts such as "what are all your warrior ships?") where numerous people will have these huge lists and it's 90% female characters who have any sort of bond. people do it with male friendships too. it's a little creepy. also... i can't say i agree with the idea that it's unfair in principio to judge someone's ships. there's plenty of valid reasons to cast judgement on "mere opinions", namely the problematic foundation on which they might rest. Yes, some opinions can be problematic, but this isn't one of those times. There's nothing problematic about thinking two fictional characters would be cute together.
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Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Jul 30, 2022 21:04:55 GMT -5
im not commenting on any one person specifically. i'm just speaking about a general fandom trend that makes me uncomfortable. i've seen on threads (with prompts such as "what are all your warrior ships?") where numerous people will have these huge lists and it's 90% female characters who have any sort of bond. people do it with male friendships too. it's a little creepy. also... i can't say i agree with the idea that it's unfair in principio to judge someone's ships. there's plenty of valid reasons to cast judgement on "mere opinions", namely the problematic foundation on which they might rest. Yes, some opinions can be problematic, but this isn't one of those times. There's nothing problematic about thinking two fictional characters would be cute together. while casually shipping 2 specific characters isn’t problematic by itself. The unmistakable trends aligned with much of shipping culture in fandoms has many underlying problematic foundations. And when people present ship lists that are almost exclusively lesbian or gay, or some other specific orientation. I wouldn’t say that’s entirely coincidental, especially when including characters that are confirmed hetero or some other orientation that conflicts with their HC’s. It starts to appear more fetishy rather than actual analysis of a fictional that brought forth their conclusions. And the arguments accompanied by the person is often uncomfortable and even disturbing. I seen plenty of people argue that “This female character has a suspiciously high number of female friends, therefore they must be lesbian!….. they must be lesbian? What are they implying?, that heterosexuals are incapable of having a same sex friendships, or if they do, their actually a closeted lesbian/gay person? Or like how Saint Ambrosef pointed out, that platonic relationships are somehow inferior. All which are problematic and rather prejudice opinions. And such arguments aren’t uncommon either. There’s definitely valid reasons to pass judgement on some shipping culture. And arguing that there isn’t does seem kind of like a deflection tactic to me, although that’s just my impression. And I’m not commenting that anyone here specifically ships HollyxIvy for bad reasons, or even critiquing the ship myself. Merely pointing out that people do, and for other ships(more commonly non-hetero ones) ship them for uncomfortable and/or objectively bad reasons, and it should be addressed or scrutinized when necessary. Not to devalue non-Hetero ships either. There are some genuinely good ones out there.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 30, 2022 21:55:22 GMT -5
im not commenting on any one person specifically. i'm just speaking about a general fandom trend that makes me uncomfortable. i've seen on threads (with prompts such as "what are all your warrior ships?") where numerous people will have these huge lists and it's 90% female characters who have any sort of bond. people do it with male friendships too. it's a little creepy. also... i can't say i agree with the idea that it's unfair in principio to judge someone's ships. there's plenty of valid reasons to cast judgement on "mere opinions", namely the problematic foundation on which they might rest. Yes, some opinions can be problematic, but this isn't one of those times. There's nothing problematic about thinking two fictional characters would be cute together. i didn't say there was a problem with that
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2022 22:07:35 GMT -5
Yes, some opinions can be problematic, but this isn't one of those times. There's nothing problematic about thinking two fictional characters would be cute together. while casually shipping 2 specific characters isn’t problematic by itself. The unmistakable trends aligned with much of shipping culture in fandoms has many underlying problematic foundations. And when people present ship lists that are almost exclusively lesbian or gay, or some other specific orientation. I wouldn’t say that’s entirely coincidental, especially when including characters that are confirmed hetero or some other orientation that conflicts with their HC’s. It starts to appear more fetishy rather than actual analysis of a fictional that brought forth their conclusions. And the arguments accompanied by the person is often uncomfortable and even disturbing. I seen plenty of people argue that “This female character has a suspiciously high number of female friends, therefore they must be lesbian!….. they must be lesbian? What are they implying?, that heterosexuals are incapable of having a same sex friendships, or if they do, their actually a closeted lesbian/gay person? Or like how Saint Ambrosef pointed out, that platonic relationships are somehow inferior. All which are problematic and rather prejudice opinions. And such arguments aren’t uncommon either. There’s definitely valid reasons to pass judgement on some shipping culture. And arguing that there isn’t does seem kind of like a deflection tactic to me, although that’s just my impression. And I’m not commenting that anyone here specifically ships HollyxIvy for bad reasons, or even critiquing the ship myself. Merely pointing out that people do, and for other ships(more commonly non-hetero ones) ship them for uncomfortable and/or objectively bad reasons, and it should be addressed or scrutinized when necessary. Not to devalue non-Hetero ships either. There are some genuinely good ones out there. Yeah ok that makes sense now that I think about it. I'll eat crow on this one. I still don't think there's anything inherently bad about shipping characters with little canon interaction, shipping characters who are good friends, etc. But I understand where the problems can come from.
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