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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jun 7, 2022 14:23:58 GMT -5
Guess who now has a warrior name? Volewhisper! This is the name he has on the family tree. Oh really? Good for him! But he did not get that name during EfSh, or did he?
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Post by Cloudstorm on Jun 7, 2022 14:38:19 GMT -5
Okay. That ending is perplexing, and genuinely infuriating me right now. So originally Nightpelt was unable to be given his nine lives, because Brokenstar was still alive, and only leader can actively have Starclan adorned lives at a time, and they couldn’t revoke lives either(old news, but just to reference) also couldn’t chose who became the next leader(while they could send signs/prophecy’s/messages etc displaying who they advocate for, but ultimately was the clans decision in the end). As of River it’s revealed that Starclan has the capability to demote leaders and revert their lives(retcon, but whatever). Now their telling us that Starclan can’t demote leaders and revert lives in a book that’s pretty safe to say was written with all the changes happening to the code/ Starclan at the end of ALiTM and transitioning into ASC already conceived, and I would think would be maintained in continuity going forward, including this graphic novel. But not only that, but now apparently their giving approval and praise to Brokenstar’s reign and conduct as leader? Not fully, but some. When originally Brokenstar was proclaimed to have been a curse that should have never been born. So their partially retconning and rewriting parts of the narrative, but not completely?, and it kind of leaves Starclan sounding contradictory and hypocritical. Is this a mishap with the new continuity? Or did they purposefully write it that way to make Starclan look like a bunch of hypocritical idiots?. Or are they insinuating that Starclan’s powers canonically changes overtime and expands? And that them being able to revert lives back from leaders is a new skill they possess now?. Frankly my cerebellum is getting whiplash from thinking about it.
Anyway, still excited to get the book tomorrow and read it myself. And thanks for posting. It’s possible that the rules are different in different situations. With Rowanclaw, maybe StarClan revoked his lives because he specifically asked them to, and gave up his leadership. Here, Brokenstar has not asked for his lives to be removed, or for his leadership to be revoked. This may be how StarClan justified their decision. Still hypocritical, but at least sort of makes sense. except the Victoria and Cherith confirmed that Starclan strictly couldn’t revoke lives( albeit that was 06’, and the rules have drastically changed since then). There’s the possibility that their now implicating that they’ll only do it under certain circumstances, or like Vectoring said, self-imposed rules that their only now lifting. Either or, it still has some contradiction and hypocrisy to it. When everything written regarding Brokenstar and Nightpelt was written under the guidelines that Starclan didn’t possess the ability to revoke lives from leaders. And now their saying they possibly always could, but just refused too. Makes it all funky imo.
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Post by Rainfire on Jun 7, 2022 15:12:56 GMT -5
Hey, thanks for making this thread!
I have a little question: Was there any mention of Foxheart in this book at all? Asking because she was Night's mentor and I love her so I always hope for content of her, however small. I would look back through the whole thread myself, but I don't want the book to be too spoiled for me ;.;
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jun 7, 2022 15:52:40 GMT -5
Hey, thanks for making this thread! I have a little question: Was there any mention of Foxheart in this book at all? Asking because she was Night's mentor and I love her so I always hope for content of her, however small. I would look back through the whole thread myself, but I don't want the book to be too spoiled for me ;.; Yes, there was! On the first page of this thread in the starting summary by Hollyfall: Nightpelt, horrified again, demands to know why they're going there. Littlepaw and Volepaw explain that as part of their warrior assessment, they need to learn how to kill rats. Nightpelt says rats are dangerous, and remembers how Foxheart died to them, coldly snarking that the rats "never gave Foxheart a chance, did they?"
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Post by Hollyfall on Jun 7, 2022 16:01:51 GMT -5
Thank you for sharing this! Could you post any of the scenes with Cinderkit, Thornkit, Brightkit, and Brackenkit in them? Here you go! The only other scenes with them are minor appearances at ShadowClan's camp.
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Post by Hollyfall on Jun 7, 2022 16:04:33 GMT -5
Thank you once again for making this spoiler thread and sharing what happens in EfSh with us, Hollyfall ! On the topic of you potentially posting some actual pictured scenes from the book, I would love to see the Clawface scene of him and the LionFrost kits as well as the ThunderClan patrol including "sleepy stoner" Runningwind, if that is possible? Of course! Here's Runningwind (I think this is our first official art of him too? lmao) And the TC patrol:
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Post by Hollyfall on Jun 7, 2022 16:08:44 GMT -5
Hey, thanks for making this thread! I have a little question: Was there any mention of Foxheart in this book at all? Asking because she was Night's mentor and I love her so I always hope for content of her, however small. I would look back through the whole thread myself, but I don't want the book to be too spoiled for me ;.; Basically what Whispermoon said, but here's the scene where Nightpelt remembers her:
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jun 7, 2022 16:09:28 GMT -5
Thank you once again for making this spoiler thread and sharing what happens in EfSh with us, Hollyfall ! On the topic of you potentially posting some actual pictured scenes from the book, I would love to see the Clawface scene of him and the LionFrost kits as well as the ThunderClan patrol including "sleepy stoner" Runningwind, if that is possible? Of course! Here's Runningwind (I think this is our first official art of him too? lmao) And the TC patrol: Thank you for posting these! Dang, Runningwind really looks kind of sleep deprived with this design. I like Darkstripe's swirly stripes in the background though and Whitestorm seems so majestic in just those two panels of him.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jun 7, 2022 16:21:54 GMT -5
Thank you for sharing this! Could you post any of the scenes with Cinderkit, Thornkit, Brightkit, and Brackenkit in them? Here you go! The only other scenes with them are minor appearances at ShadowClan's camp. All of the LionFrost kits just look so adorable in these panels <3 But what is up with Clawface having those mad eye bags all of a sudden (it almost looks like dark brown eyeshadow), did he have those in the excerpt as well? I honestly can't remember. It does make him look more menacing, especially in the context of this scene right after having killed Spottedleaf and kidnapping the kits.
Also, is it just me or does Cinderkit look much lighter than in her previous comic appearances (such as GA and RP)? But hey, I love how much character these four have in just a few pictures. Brackenkit is the silent but strong type here, Brightkit doesn't back down or give up, Thornkit is aggressive despite being injured and Cinderkit is judging Clawface hard for his life choices.
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Post by *Faith* on Jun 7, 2022 16:26:06 GMT -5
Guess who now has a warrior name? Volewhisper! This is the name he has on the family tree. Oh really? Good for him! But he did not get that name during EfSh, or did he? I didn't see any ceremony for him in any of the spoiler post for the book.
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Post by Hollyfall on Jun 7, 2022 16:27:26 GMT -5
What are your general thoughts on the book? Overall? a 7/10. It made me like Nightstar quite a lot more and appreciate his development into a leader-figure. Despite his disability, he goes above and beyond to instill confidence in those he cares about, does his best to prevent needless violence, and above all else, is a very caring cat. For what it's worth, I'd say he's a pretty good leader. Probably would have been one of the best if he didn't have the misfortune of being screwed over by StarClan. While I'm aware Nightpelt was the central character, I would have appreciated some more development from the other elders or side characters. That's not to say there wasn't, as we saw Clawface get some actual depth, and others like Cinderfur and Volepaw got some personality. It was interesting to see some more insight into Brokenstar's regime as well; I'm genuinely surprised he had so many supporters and wasn't overthrown sooner, to be honest. The story itself feels more like Nightpelt's story as opposed to a band of elders and outcasts planning to overthrow their leader, which is the vibe I had from the beginning. A little disappointing for me personally, but it also did wonders for Nightpelt's likability and own character development. The story of overthrowing Brokenstar wasn't as interesting; probably because this is a plot shown in the very first book, so I'm not really as invested into it as, say, a first time reader. Not that it was bad of course, but it feels like it's in the same vein as Winds of Change in that we already know what happens in the end, so I'm not truly invested as much into these characters? I don't know how much of that makes sense. In the end though, I really enjoyed this book! ShadowClan's my favourite Clan and I loved seeing Nightstar's perspective and character development. Lovely art from James as always as well!
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Post by Hollyfall on Jun 7, 2022 16:28:52 GMT -5
Oh really? Good for him! But he did not get that name during EfSh, or did he? I didn't see any ceremony for him in any of the spoiler post for the book. He didn't. He returned to the camp after Brokenstar and his followers were driven out as an apprentice, and I presume he returned to his apprentice duties.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jun 7, 2022 16:35:12 GMT -5
Oh really? Good for him! But he did not get that name during EfSh, or did he? I didn't see any ceremony for him in any of the spoiler post for the book. Okay then, I see. Maybe he'll get a brief mention somewhere with his warrior name in the series if this ShadowClan era is ever revisited again in an SE or Novella. Perhaps he just might get briefly mentioned in an article about Nightstar on the official website instead though. Who knows.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jun 7, 2022 19:24:41 GMT -5
WHOOO VOLEWHISPER GOT A WARRIOR NAME! I'm so happy to learn he lived to receive one. ❤️ Thank you so much for posting these, Hollyfall! It was great to see more of ShadowClan.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Jun 7, 2022 20:53:28 GMT -5
Who was in the patrol to save the ThunderClan kits again?
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jun 7, 2022 20:57:32 GMT -5
Who was in the patrol to save the ThunderClan kits again? Looks like Firestar, Graystripe, Whitestorm, Runningwind, and one other cat?
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Post by Rainfire on Jun 7, 2022 21:03:03 GMT -5
BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ HollyfallThank yall for telling me, and thank you Hollyfall for posting the scene! I'm so glad Foxheart was mentioned at least once, and I'm thrilled that we technically(?) have our first piece of official art of her, even if it is just a silhouette! I'll take whatever I can get lol Thanks again!
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Post by *Faith* on Jun 7, 2022 21:17:50 GMT -5
Who was in the patrol to save the ThunderClan kits again? In ITW the cats were Firepaw, Graypaw, Whitestorm, Darkstripe, Runningwind, Willowpelt and Mousefur. I don't know if Yellowfang counts, but she was living in TC at this point.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jun 8, 2022 17:11:11 GMT -5
Here you go! The only other scenes with them are minor appearances at ShadowClan's camp. All of the LionFrost kits just look so adorable in these panels <3 But what is up with Clawface having those mad eye bags all of a sudden (it almost looks like dark brown eyeshadow), did he have those in the excerpt as well? I honestly can't remember. It does make him look more menacing, especially in the context of this scene right after having killed Spottedleaf and kidnapping the kits.
Also, is it just me or does Cinderkit look much lighter than in her previous comic appearances (such as GA and RP)? But hey, I love how much character these four have in just a few pictures. Brackenkit is the silent but strong type here, Brightkit doesn't back down or give up, Thornkit is aggressive despite being injured and Cinderkit is judging Clawface hard for his life choices. Cinderkit definitely looks lighter imo. Usually she was portrayed as a pretty dark shade of gray.
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Post by Hollyfall on Jun 8, 2022 19:00:38 GMT -5
All of the LionFrost kits just look so adorable in these panels <3 But what is up with Clawface having those mad eye bags all of a sudden (it almost looks like dark brown eyeshadow), did he have those in the excerpt as well? I honestly can't remember. It does make him look more menacing, especially in the context of this scene right after having killed Spottedleaf and kidnapping the kits.
Also, is it just me or does Cinderkit look much lighter than in her previous comic appearances (such as GA and RP)? But hey, I love how much character these four have in just a few pictures. Brackenkit is the silent but strong type here, Brightkit doesn't back down or give up, Thornkit is aggressive despite being injured and Cinderkit is judging Clawface hard for his life choices. Cinderkit definitely looks lighter imo. Usually she was portrayed as a pretty dark shade of gray. Might just be James's choice to better illustrate facial expressions. He's done that before with darker-coloured cats such as lightening their canon pelt design or giving them lighter muzzles. Shrewtooth in the SkyClan trilogy, for example.
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Post by ivysaur on Jun 9, 2022 9:20:09 GMT -5
Thank you for sharing everything! I like Nightpelt so it was great to see his story but I swear, every time StarClan shows up I get more mad. StarClan never makes sense and this just made me remember how annoyed I was about Nightpelt's missing lives when reading the first arc.
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Post by Cheetahstar on Jun 11, 2022 20:33:40 GMT -5
*points at the tag under my avatar* Starclan is THE WORST
DHFKJHDF Like omg they are SO UNLIKEABLE??
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Post by Bristleflight-bristlefrost! on Jun 12, 2022 9:12:17 GMT -5
Thank you for sharing everything! I like Nightpelt so it was great to see his story but I swear, every time StarClan shows up I get more mad. StarClan never makes sense and this just made me remember how annoyed I was about Nightpelt's missing lives when reading the first arc. ya like it is so stuped and we can all see it if they can say no to nightstar then why not to brokenstar and tigerstar as well. Also when pinestar left sunstar still became leader even though s!Ty starclan only gave him 8. Also don't get me started on how they treated squirrelflight and leafpool.
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Post by rabbit on Jun 13, 2022 20:42:55 GMT -5
*points at the tag under my avatar* Starclan is THE WORST DHFKJHDF Like omg they are SO UNLIKEABLE?? In the first series, they were vague and ominous, then they slowly morphed into something the complete opposite of that. Writers cannot go back on that now making StarClan look totally incompetent when denying Nightstar any lives when Brokenstar was likely on his last anyway. I really want to know why StarClan gave Brokenstar nine lives in the first place. Edit: StarClan is bigbrain, makes Brokenstar leader so it can craft the greatest leader in years, Firestar, and one up the Dark Forest in Omen of the Stars.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 13, 2022 20:57:50 GMT -5
were any shadowclan family tree info revealed or no? i like my family tree headcanons but i was hoping this comic would give little hints or something to who r the parents/father of who, etc.
i cant wait to get this comic
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Post by Hollyfall on Jun 13, 2022 21:07:05 GMT -5
were any shadowclan family tree info revealed or no? i like my family tree headcanons but i was hoping this comic would give little hints or something to who r the parents/father of who, etc. i cant wait to get this comic Sadly, not really. The only revelation is that Volepaw didn't really die and lived on to become a warrior. This was more character focused and about overthrowing Brokenstar. I feel your pain though.
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Post by rabbit on Jun 13, 2022 21:41:24 GMT -5
were any shadowclan family tree info revealed or no? i like my family tree headcanons but i was hoping this comic would give little hints or something to who r the parents/father of who, etc. i cant wait to get this comic
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 13, 2022 22:41:19 GMT -5
rabbit oooh thanks for pics. i'll be looking through the cats now!
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Post by rabbit on Jun 14, 2022 4:13:40 GMT -5
You’re welcome.
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Jun 14, 2022 4:47:47 GMT -5
Question to those who read EfShC, is it worth buying?
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