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Post by fire on Oct 12, 2020 14:01:40 GMT -5
What's your opinion on this couple, and do you wish there were others like it? What do you think made it great, and what might've been bad about it? I know it's one of the more popular Warriors ships. I like that the relationship had development and the cats cared for each other, and the drama wasn't over the top either, which was good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 14:38:50 GMT -5
why did they had only one litter?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 14:43:01 GMT -5
Best main character pairing. I love them
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Post by fire on Oct 12, 2020 14:43:57 GMT -5
why did they had only one litter? Good question. But then ThunderClan would definitely be overrun with Firekin.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Oct 12, 2020 15:04:51 GMT -5
I see a lot of people hating on this ship. Sandstorm started out as a bully. She didn't like Fireheart or believe he had a place in ThunderClan due to his kittypet status. He mostly disregarded her. We don't see many of their on-page interactions in the books. But then something changes in Fire and Ice when Fireheart saves Sandpaw's life. Perhaps she realized she owed him her life or something stirred inside her. When Dustpaw consistently teases him, she stops joining in. And I appreciate this. It shows that she's changing and beginning to think of Fireheart in a new way. In this book, she becomes much friendlier to him, with kind words shared and that whole cute scene in the snow. By Rising Storm, it's clear that Sandstorm likes him, and Fireheart begins to feel the same way.
By the Darkest Hour, the two are mates.
Through The Prophecies Begin, these two really learn to love and care for each other. Their relationship is mature and they are united in their decisions. They have developed so much from the first series. I love Fire x Sand, and it's one of my favorite ships.
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Post by 🆉🅴🅻🅳🆁🅸🆂 on Oct 12, 2020 15:13:35 GMT -5
FirexSand is my favorite ship in the entire Warriors universe. A close second is BluexOak.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Oct 12, 2020 15:24:05 GMT -5
I enjoy their ship very much. Definitely an OG ship.
I still wish they had a second litter consisting on a tom though. Imagine a cute little brother to Leaf and Squirrel!
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Post by fire on Oct 12, 2020 15:26:15 GMT -5
FirexSand is my favorite ship in the entire Warriors universe. A close second is BluexOak. Yeah, I like BluexOak too, even though some don't because they think it was rushed, which it was. I still think it's a good ship and they just really loved each other, even if they didn't see each other much.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Oct 12, 2020 15:53:39 GMT -5
top tier pairing. well written and developed. very healthy after firestar's SE and they stay like that til the very end.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 17:13:12 GMT -5
this is literally the only bully to lovers ship i like. its that well written and theyre that sweet with each other.
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Post by Brindlefern on Oct 12, 2020 18:30:59 GMT -5
OTP, I've mentioned all the reasons many times of why I love this ship to where I'd be repeating myself to say it again. They're just... SO damn good.
I wish they had that second litter. I wanted them to have a SON like just one and if I have to do the duty myself I will GIVE THEM ONE.
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FirexSand
Oct 12, 2020 20:40:12 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 20:40:12 GMT -5
why did they had only one litter? Good question. But then ThunderClan would definitely be overrun with Firekin. What’s wrong with that?
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Oct 12, 2020 20:40:14 GMT -5
OTP for just... all the reasons listed above. <3
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FirexSand
Oct 12, 2020 20:41:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 20:41:08 GMT -5
I enjoy their ship very much. Definitely an OG ship. I still wish they had a second litter consisting on a tom though. Imagine a cute little brother to Leaf and Squirrel! i second this
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Oct 12, 2020 20:41:18 GMT -5
Good question. But then ThunderClan would definitely be overrun with Firekin. What’s wrong with that? It would mean more inbreeding, which is already a problem. ThunderClan has too many cats descended from Firestar already.
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Post by fire on Oct 12, 2020 20:42:37 GMT -5
Good question. But then ThunderClan would definitely be overrun with Firekin. What’s wrong with that? Lack of variety
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 12, 2020 20:52:22 GMT -5
I love them.
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Post by Fernsong on Oct 12, 2020 21:19:31 GMT -5
I love this ship, but I also wish they had a son lol
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 12, 2020 23:05:42 GMT -5
Easily the most overrated ship in the series, with the most stereotypical tropes you'd find in media. It was utterly unlikable at the start, and then suddenly becomes a thing after Sand is saved by Fire. I don't care for, "You saved me so now I like you" ships much, especially with main pairings because it feels like lazy writing. Not to mention Firestar is utterly oblivious to Sand's sudden feelings, and doesn't even recognize them until it's pointed out to his face. After the first series they both lose the majority of their personality and they're just "there" until OotS. Imo Sandstorm had a better personality as an elder after Firestar died. And it also annoyed me that in order for this ship to happen, Dust and Sand's friendship had to be thrown aside in favor of it. Yeah, I don't care for this ship, nor like it.
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Post by Rainfire on Oct 13, 2020 3:27:15 GMT -5
SO GOOD
My favorite pairing involving a main series protag.
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Post by metsfan09 on Oct 13, 2020 6:25:02 GMT -5
One of the best ships in the series. In my opinion Sandstorm is super underrated and deserves more attention and Firestar is one of my favorite characters. Their chemistry together is great and I’m sad they didn’t have another litter.
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Post by Goldy from Dappleclan on Oct 13, 2020 9:12:00 GMT -5
Easily the most overrated ship in the series, with the most stereotypical tropes you'd find in media. It was utterly unlikable at the start, and then suddenly becomes a thing after Sand is saved by Fire. I don't care for, "You saved me so now I like you" ships much, especially with main pairings because it feels like lazy writing. Not to mention Firestar is utterly oblivious to Sand's sudden feelings, and doesn't even recognize them until it's pointed out to his face. After the first series they both lose the majority of their personality and they're just "there" until OotS. Imo Sandstorm had a better personality as an elder after Firestar died. And it also annoyed me that in order for this ship to happen, Dust and Sand's friendship had to be thrown aside in favor of it. Yeah, I don't care for this ship, nor like it. Gotta agree, I wish Fire/Sand received more attention and development outside of the first series. I've never cared for this ship either mostly because I haven't been given a reason to care. Sorta always wondered if Fire would have been better off with Spotted after all, if she'd been a warrior instead.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Oct 13, 2020 9:28:01 GMT -5
Given the fact that inbreeding happens anyways, I don't get why it's so bad. Everyone is related to everyone in the series and there appear to be no health concerns because of it.
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Post by sparkstrike on Oct 13, 2020 12:27:46 GMT -5
Favorite pairing in the entire series. Their relationship is so well developed and feels natural compared to other romances we've seen in the series, and I like both of their kits. Squirrelflight is my favorite character after all. I wish they had a second litter, it would have been nice to see more kits from them.
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Post by fire on Oct 13, 2020 13:40:19 GMT -5
Easily the most overrated ship in the series, with the most stereotypical tropes you'd find in media. It was utterly unlikable at the start, and then suddenly becomes a thing after Sand is saved by Fire. I don't care for, "You saved me so now I like you" ships much, especially with main pairings because it feels like lazy writing. Not to mention Firestar is utterly oblivious to Sand's sudden feelings, and doesn't even recognize them until it's pointed out to his face. After the first series they both lose the majority of their personality and they're just "there" until OotS. Imo Sandstorm had a better personality as an elder after Firestar died. And it also annoyed me that in order for this ship to happen, Dust and Sand's friendship had to be thrown aside in favor of it. Yeah, I don't care for this ship, nor like it. I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree. It's not something that happens suddenly. Sandpaw realizes that Fireheart might not be as bad as she thought he was, and slowly begins to feel less antagonistic towards him, and starts to try to want to be his friend. She didn't immediately like him either, that was also something that was developed. As for them being pushed to the background, just because they didn't have drama or any noticeable scenes doesn't mean they lost their personality. Their moments just aren't on-screen anymore because it isn't their story. And Dustpaw and Sandpaw's friendship was something that only benefited the two of them, and negatively affected Fireheart, Graystripe, and Ravenpaw. Besides, I'm pretty sure they make up so...
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Oct 14, 2020 10:37:09 GMT -5
I don't really care about cliché tropes, they can be great if written well. Both cats, even with difficulties, proved to be a very healthy and loving couple, and gave both characters a very great character developement. This pairing is my top favorite in the entire series.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Oct 14, 2020 11:46:05 GMT -5
Easily the most overrated ship in the series, with the most stereotypical tropes you'd find in media. It was utterly unlikable at the start, and then suddenly becomes a thing after Sand is saved by Fire. I don't care for, "You saved me so now I like you" ships much, especially with main pairings because it feels like lazy writing. Not to mention Firestar is utterly oblivious to Sand's sudden feelings, and doesn't even recognize them until it's pointed out to his face. After the first series they both lose the majority of their personality and they're just "there" until OotS. Imo Sandstorm had a better personality as an elder after Firestar died. And it also annoyed me that in order for this ship to happen, Dust and Sand's friendship had to be thrown aside in favor of it. Yeah, I don't care for this ship, nor like it. I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree. It's not something that happens suddenly. Sandpaw realizes that Fireheart might not be as bad as she thought he was, and slowly begins to feel less antagonistic towards him, and starts to try to want to be his friend. She didn't immediately like him either, that was also something that was developed. As for them being pushed to the background, just because they didn't have drama or any noticeable scenes doesn't mean they lost their personality. Their moments just aren't on-screen anymore because it isn't their story. And Dustpaw and Sandpaw's friendship was something that only benefited the two of them, and negatively affected Fireheart, Graystripe, and Ravenpaw. Besides, I'm pretty sure they make up so... ^ ive never understood the critique that sandpaw instantly fell for fireheart because he saved her life. it was always clear to me she was like "oh shit this dude who i constantly pick on saved my life, maybe i should re-evaluate how mean i am". and dustpaw and sandpaw's friendship wasn't thrown aside. dustpaw refused to stop being a jerk so sandpaw matured without him.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 14, 2020 14:40:27 GMT -5
Easily the most overrated ship in the series, with the most stereotypical tropes you'd find in media. It was utterly unlikable at the start, and then suddenly becomes a thing after Sand is saved by Fire. I don't care for, "You saved me so now I like you" ships much, especially with main pairings because it feels like lazy writing. Not to mention Firestar is utterly oblivious to Sand's sudden feelings, and doesn't even recognize them until it's pointed out to his face. After the first series they both lose the majority of their personality and they're just "there" until OotS. Imo Sandstorm had a better personality as an elder after Firestar died. And it also annoyed me that in order for this ship to happen, Dust and Sand's friendship had to be thrown aside in favor of it. Yeah, I don't care for this ship, nor like it. I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree. It's not something that happens suddenly. Sandpaw realizes that Fireheart might not be as bad as she thought he was, and slowly begins to feel less antagonistic towards him, and starts to try to want to be his friend. She didn't immediately like him either, that was also something that was developed. As for them being pushed to the background, just because they didn't have drama or any noticeable scenes doesn't mean they lost their personality. Their moments just aren't on-screen anymore because it isn't their story. And Dustpaw and Sandpaw's friendship was something that only benefited the two of them, and negatively affected Fireheart, Graystripe, and Ravenpaw. Besides, I'm pretty sure they make up so... It is suddenly though, or at least in an incredibly SHORT time span. Sandstorm was antagonistic towards Firestar until half way through book two. She only stopped bullying him because of him saving her. And then literally in the same book she sharing tongues with him, and suddenly making a full 180, even Dust was shocked by it. By the next book, in FoS, she's practically sleeping right next to him in the den not long after becoming a warrior. Her feelings were obvious, the only one that didn't realize it was Firestar himself, which is why you don't really get any ship confirmation for them until the final book. It's a stereotypical trope that's been rehashed a million times in media, and seeing it done with the main pairing of the first series felt dry and boring. And yes, they do lose their personality over time, they become dull cardboard pieces in the background after the first series. Sandstorm plays little to any relevancy until OotS, and even Firestar at least got some focus because of the DF battle and being the fourth cat. The most personality Sandstorm has shown on screen in a long time was literally when she was an elder and had a significant relationship with her grandson before dying. Also just saying Dust and Sand made up doesn't hold any weight tbh, the same with just saying that Fire and Sand's moments were off-screen. If anything that makes it look even worse, because it comes off as straight up lazy writing.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 14, 2020 14:45:52 GMT -5
I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree. It's not something that happens suddenly. Sandpaw realizes that Fireheart might not be as bad as she thought he was, and slowly begins to feel less antagonistic towards him, and starts to try to want to be his friend. She didn't immediately like him either, that was also something that was developed. As for them being pushed to the background, just because they didn't have drama or any noticeable scenes doesn't mean they lost their personality. Their moments just aren't on-screen anymore because it isn't their story. And Dustpaw and Sandpaw's friendship was something that only benefited the two of them, and negatively affected Fireheart, Graystripe, and Ravenpaw. Besides, I'm pretty sure they make up so... ^ ive never understood the critique that sandpaw instantly fell for fireheart because he saved her life. it was always clear to me she was like "oh shit this dude who i constantly pick on saved my life, maybe i should re-evaluate how mean i am". and dustpaw and sandpaw's friendship wasn't thrown aside. dustpaw refused to stop being a jerk so sandpaw matured without him. Suddenly and instantly are two different words. Suddenly means for something to happen quickly and unexpectedly, and that's exactly what happened with Sand and Fire's 180 change in relationship. While instantly means for something to happen at once, or immediately, that's something that falls more with a relationship like Clear Sky and Storm. My qualms with Dust ad Sand was that after she got goo-goo eyed with Fire she pretty much stopped having an on-screen friendship with Dust in favor of Fire. If she didn't approve of the way he behaved, that's fine, but it would have at least been more meaningful, and better written if she had been shown talking to him properly about it. Which never happens. She just straight up starts disregarding him and ghosting him, which easily had the opposite effect on Dust's progression as a character for some time.
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Post by fire on Oct 14, 2020 15:21:44 GMT -5
I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree. It's not something that happens suddenly. Sandpaw realizes that Fireheart might not be as bad as she thought he was, and slowly begins to feel less antagonistic towards him, and starts to try to want to be his friend. She didn't immediately like him either, that was also something that was developed. As for them being pushed to the background, just because they didn't have drama or any noticeable scenes doesn't mean they lost their personality. Their moments just aren't on-screen anymore because it isn't their story. And Dustpaw and Sandpaw's friendship was something that only benefited the two of them, and negatively affected Fireheart, Graystripe, and Ravenpaw. Besides, I'm pretty sure they make up so... It is suddenly though, or at least in an incredibly SHORT time span. Sandstorm was antagonistic towards Firestar until half way through book two. She only stopped bullying him because of him saving her. And then literally in the same book she sharing tongues with him, and suddenly making a full 180, even Dust was shocked by it. By the next book, in FoS, she's practically sleeping right next to him in the den not long after becoming a warrior. Her feelings were obvious, the only one that didn't realize it was Firestar himself, which is why you don't really get any ship confirmation for them until the final book. It's a stereotypical trope that's been rehashed a million times in media, and seeing it done with the main pairing of the first series felt dry and boring. And yes, they do lose their personality over time, they become dull cardboard pieces in the background after the first series. Sandstorm plays little to any relevancy until OotS, and even Firestar at least got some focus because of the DF battle and being the fourth cat. The most personality Sandstorm has shown on screen in a long time was literally when she was an elder and had a significant relationship with her grandson before dying. Also just saying Dust and Sand made up doesn't hold any weight tbh, the same with just saying that Fire and Sand's moments were off-screen. If anything that makes it look even worse, because it comes off as straight up lazy writing. Saint Ambrosef literally said the reason as to why Sandstorm pulled a 180. And even then, before she started sharing tongues or sleeping next to Fireheart, she showed signs of nervousness and awkwardness when Dustpelt continued to bully him. The first signs of friendship was when she was put on patrol with Fireheart by themselves, which she then decided to show her friendship and break the awkwardness between them. And so what if she caught feelings quickly? It happens. She got saved by him and started to think, "Hey, maybe this guy isn't so bad after all." Over the next moons, she reflects to herself that she should open up more to Fireheart and starts being friends with him. As far as the trope being stereotypical, so what? That doesn't mean the ship is bad and should immediately be written off. And even though they fade into the background, I highly doubt they lose all their personality from then on (at least not Sandstorm). Then again, I haven't read too far beyond TPB yet so... Sandstorm having no relevancy doesn't make their ship bad, so I don't see what you were going for there. And as far as Dust and Sand, and the off-screen moments, I'm very confused as to how that's lazy writing. Sure, for the moments, they could've included one or more on-screen, but just because they have a low-key relationship doesn't make them a bad ship. They're happy with each other, which is actually one of the things a good ship should be. The last thing I have to say is that Dust and Sand's friendship (from what we saw) mainly relied on bullying Fireheart, so I don't understand why that's a huge detractor. Dustpelt insisted on being a prick, and Sandstorm didn't want to be, so naturally they grew apart. They both knew what the issue was without having to explain it to each other. They might've been good friends before, and that's all well and good, but Dustpelt was a prick until he got with Ferncloud. Dustpelt after TPB was solid.
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