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Ṣanɗypaw™
The Shiny User
🎵Guess that's just the way it goes, easy come, easy go🎵
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jul 25, 2020 19:43:54 GMT -5
Hopefully they were taken in by some other Twoleg.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jul 25, 2020 19:55:31 GMT -5
I imagine they were eventually adopted by someone
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 21:39:33 GMT -5
im re-reading TROS right now and i just realized that that tabby rogue is supposed to be brokenstar Yep. This ends up creating two timelines, the TROS timeline and the Barley's backstory timeline, due to the fact that Barley has to come to the forest BEFORE Brokenstar. Wait it is? I don’t see it listed on the wiki. Do you have a picture of the page?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 21:45:20 GMT -5
Yep. This ends up creating two timelines, the TROS timeline and the Barley's backstory timeline, due to the fact that Barley has to come to the forest BEFORE Brokenstar. Wait it is? I don’t see it listed on the wiki. Do you have a picture of the page? barley went to the forest to flee bloodclan, but brokenstar appeared in the city and was chased off by scourge before bloodclan even formed. he briefly appeared in ys, which was before brokenstar was chased out of shadowclan, hence the plothole.
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Post by vectoring34 on Jul 25, 2020 21:49:52 GMT -5
Yep. This ends up creating two timelines, the TROS timeline and the Barley's backstory timeline, due to the fact that Barley has to come to the forest BEFORE Brokenstar. Wait it is? I don’t see it listed on the wiki. Do you have a picture of the page? It's a tabby with a messed up tail coming from the forest. It's not straight up said to be Brokenstar, but it's a very particular set of traits that makes him near enough a dead ringer for Brokenstar. Unless there was some other broken-tailed tabby in the forest at this time, it has to be him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 21:51:06 GMT -5
Wait it is? I don’t see it listed on the wiki. Do you have a picture of the page? It's a tabby with a messed up tail coming from the forest. It's not straight up said to be Brokenstar, but it's a very particular set of traits that makes him near enough a dead ringer for Brokenstar. Unless there was some other broken-tailed tabby in the forest at this time, it has to be him. Interesting! I never noticed
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 22:03:12 GMT -5
It's a tabby with a messed up tail coming from the forest. It's not straight up said to be Brokenstar, but it's a very particular set of traits that makes him near enough a dead ringer for Brokenstar. Unless there was some other broken-tailed tabby in the forest at this time, it has to be him. Interesting! I never noticed *cries in no flat muzzle*
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 25, 2020 22:34:29 GMT -5
Interesting! I never noticed *cries in no flat muzzle* i mean this manga was published long before YS, which i believe is the first book to describe brokenstar as inheriting his mother's flattened face.
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Post by Smokyyy on Jul 25, 2020 23:47:15 GMT -5
depends on what kind of owners they had. they were old enough to be neutered/spayed by that point, so they might not even be able to have offspring. then again, the warriors universe is overflowing with irresponsible cat owners, so... their owners abandoned them. i just checked the wiki and i forgot that scourge turned them away from all of bloodclan, so scratch what i said about them sticking around, oops. i wouldnt be surprised if they did make socks or ruby have kits just to make scourge relevant again in graystripe's SE. Gremlin ends up being one of their kits....
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Post by Cloverƒall on Jul 26, 2020 13:03:08 GMT -5
Honestly I don't understand why they get so much hate. Scourge's backstory is anything but traumatic. "Oh no, Tiny got bullied for being shrimpy when he was a kit!! Totally excuses being a serial killer!!". They were like, what? Equivalent to a five-year-old? They do, most likely, feel sorry about it. Or they just forgot. I dunno. Since when was Scourge a serial killer? And I really doubt they were 5 years old mentally given Tiny survived just fine on his own after a beating from Tigerpaw. Probably more apprentice aged than anything else. Didn't word it correctly, Scourge is similar to a terrorist group leader, but my point is, they do most likely feel guilty about it; they were dumb apprentices/kits picking on Tiny. If they don't feel remorse, then, yes, they are horrible cats. I just never really found Scourge's backstory as "traumatic" as people put it to be. He wasn't really being abused, just shunned. He made assumptions throughout the whole book, "Mommy doesn't love me as much!" despite there being little evidence to prove so. I always found him to be boring.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 26, 2020 13:40:56 GMT -5
Since when was Scourge a serial killer? And I really doubt they were 5 years old mentally given Tiny survived just fine on his own after a beating from Tigerpaw. Probably more apprentice aged than anything else. Didn't word it correctly, Scourge is similar to a terrorist group leader, but my point is, they do most likely feel guilty about it; they were dumb apprentices/kits picking on Tiny. If they don't feel remorse, then, yes, they are horrible cats. I just never really found Scourge's backstory as "traumatic" as people put it to be. He wasn't really being abused, just shunned. He made assumptions throughout the whole book, "Mommy doesn't love me as much!" despite there being little evidence to prove so. I always found him to be boring. his littermates were mean but that's just what started his insecurity, which was reflected in pretty much every cat he met (forest cats, other kittypets, street strays, etc). his trauma was almost dying by Tigerpaw as a kit. it was this feeling of being at someone's complete mercy, reinforced by people always underestimating him, that gave him this vicious desire to ensure he was always on top. i don't think most people argue this justifies any of his actions (no amount of trauma ever does), but his journey from Tiny to Scourge makes a lot of sense to me. victim often internalize their trauma and project it onto others in order to make themselves feel safer/cope, that's why child bullies usually come from broken homes. he's a perfect example of the cycle of abuse.
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Post by Cloverƒall on Jul 26, 2020 13:44:04 GMT -5
Didn't word it correctly, Scourge is similar to a terrorist group leader, but my point is, they do most likely feel guilty about it; they were dumb apprentices/kits picking on Tiny. If they don't feel remorse, then, yes, they are horrible cats. I just never really found Scourge's backstory as "traumatic" as people put it to be. He wasn't really being abused, just shunned. He made assumptions throughout the whole book, "Mommy doesn't love me as much!" despite there being little evidence to prove so. I always found him to be boring. his littermates were mean but that's just what started his insecurity, which was reflected in pretty much every cat he met (forest cats, other kittypets, street strays, etc). his trauma was almost dying by Tigerpaw as a kit. it was this feeling of being at someone's complete mercy, reinforced by people always underestimating him, that gave him this vicious desire to ensure he was always on top. i don't think most people argue this justifies any of his actions (no amount of trauma ever does), but his journey from Tiny to Scourge makes a lot of sense to me. victim often internalize their trauma and project it onto others in order to make themselves feel safer/cope, that's why child bullies usually come from broken homes. he's a perfect example of the cycle of abuse. I guess that does make more sense, but Scourge just never appealed to me as a villain. He's the cat equivelant of an e-kid.
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