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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 18:17:14 GMT -5
I am really excited for this book now! They have Nectarsong listed as a queen, Rainfur and Petalnose's bloodline is going to live on! I wonder who her mate is? I think it's awesome that they're giving more attention to the background characters, it's interesting, and I like that they confirmed some family relationships, like Willowpelt being Graystripe's mother, I wonder who his father is? And Frostfur and Ravenpaw being siblings, but Ravenpaw and Dustpelt weren't mentioned as siblings. Speaking of Dustpelt, it's cool how he and Brackenfur were best friends. It also seems like they might be hinting at Flywhisker x Flipclaw okay but to be real I’m really sick of the descendants of Firestar and Cloudtail getting together. They’re COUSINS and seeing how much emphasis they put on Cloudtail’s descendants being Firestar’s kin in OotS I can’t believe that they keep missing this- IvyFern, SparkLark, SorrelDew, now potentially FlipFly....what about Stormcloud, the ThornXBlossom kits, or literally any of Daisy’s kin? Whyyyyy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 18:20:32 GMT -5
I am really excited for this book now! They have Nectarsong listed as a queen, Rainfur and Petalnose's bloodline is going to live on! I wonder who her mate is? I think it's awesome that they're giving more attention to the background characters, it's interesting, and I like that they confirmed some family relationships, like Willowpelt being Graystripe's mother, I wonder who his father is? And Frostfur and Ravenpaw being siblings, but Ravenpaw and Dustpelt weren't mentioned as siblings. Speaking of Dustpelt, it's cool how he and Brackenfur were best friends. It also seems like they might be hinting at Flywhisker x Flipclaw okay but to be real I’m really sick of the descendants of Firestar and Cloudtail getting together. They’re COUSINS and seeing how much emphasis they put on Cloudtail’s descendants being Firestar’s kin in OotS I can’t believe that they keep missing this- IvyFern, SparkLark, SorrelDew, now potentially FlipFly....what about Stormcloud, the ThornXBlossom kits, or literally any of Daisy’s kin? Whyyyyy. I could not agree more! It seems like anyone who isn't directly related to Lionblaze or Cinderheart in ShadowClan doesn't even matter anymore. They should just smush the clans into two clans and rename them FireClan and TigerClan.
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Post by alphayamergo on Jul 21, 2020 18:38:07 GMT -5
Man, most of FQ!ThunderClan is just wildly out of character, but let's all relish in how wonderful Cinderpelt is.
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Post by The One and Only Moongaze on Jul 21, 2020 19:11:08 GMT -5
thunderclan is being destroyed the other clans need to help them
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 21, 2020 19:29:25 GMT -5
Why are all of the FernIvy kits all A+++
Like man, development, and screentime for a whole litter? That's pretty nice.
Also, I'm surprised at Fly x Flip, I guess they'll be a thing eventually.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jul 21, 2020 19:49:40 GMT -5
I am really excited for this book now! They have Nectarsong listed as a queen, Rainfur and Petalnose's bloodline is going to live on! I wonder who her mate is? I think it's awesome that they're giving more attention to the background characters, it's interesting, and I like that they confirmed some family relationships, like Willowpelt being Graystripe's mother, I wonder who his father is? And Frostfur and Ravenpaw being siblings, but Ravenpaw and Dustpelt weren't mentioned as siblings. Speaking of Dustpelt, it's cool how he and Brackenfur were best friends. It also seems like they might be hinting at Flywhisker x Flipclaw okay but to be real I’m really sick of the descendants of Firestar and Cloudtail getting together. They’re COUSINS and seeing how much emphasis they put on Cloudtail’s descendants being Firestar’s kin in OotS I can’t believe that they keep missing this- IvyFern, SparkLark, SorrelDew, now potentially FlipFly....what about Stormcloud, the ThornXBlossom kits, or literally any of Daisy’s kin? Whyyyyy. To be fair, when you look at the list, they're so interbred there are very few cats NOT related to Firestar.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 19:51:34 GMT -5
okay but to be real I’m really sick of the descendants of Firestar and Cloudtail getting together. They’re COUSINS and seeing how much emphasis they put on Cloudtail’s descendants being Firestar’s kin in OotS I can’t believe that they keep missing this- IvyFern, SparkLark, SorrelDew, now potentially FlipFly....what about Stormcloud, the ThornXBlossom kits, or literally any of Daisy’s kin? Whyyyyy. To be fair, when you look at the list, they're so interbred there are very few cats NOT related to Firestar. thunderclan? no. jakeclan
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jul 21, 2020 19:54:06 GMT -5
Something else. They keep mentioning Stemleaf's death, and everyone's reactions to it, so I'm a little surprised that no one mentioned Berrynose's and Rosepetal's, and the reactions of the cats close to them. Like Molewhisker, he was Berrynose's son and Rosepetal's apprentice.
I'm thinking that Nectarsong's mate might be Dewspring, since he seems to be pretty important in SkyClan right now, or Kitescratch. Though, it could be Quailfeather, but I doubt it, he's never gotten a line that I can remember.
Makes total sense only Stemleaf's death is getting mentioned since it's Graystripe's SE and Stemleaf was his grandson
We have a Daisy novella coming up that will likely touch on her feelings about Rosepetal and Berrynose, I'm sure
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jul 21, 2020 20:08:01 GMT -5
There's a thing called a "wander" now, huh? I wonder how cats came to call it that and if it'll come up more.
And since this is a Cherith book, I'm really looking forward to it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 20:09:54 GMT -5
Jayfeather and Alderheart hiding in the shadows of the medicine den while TC falls apart at the seams: (Every 5 minutes I think of a new meme I love these threads)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 20:12:34 GMT -5
Something else. They keep mentioning Stemleaf's death, and everyone's reactions to it, so I'm a little surprised that no one mentioned Berrynose's and Rosepetal's, and the reactions of the cats close to them. Like Molewhisker, he was Berrynose's son and Rosepetal's apprentice.
I'm thinking that Nectarsong's mate might be Dewspring, since he seems to be pretty important in SkyClan right now, or Kitescratch. Though, it could be Quailfeather, but I doubt it, he's never gotten a line that I can remember.
Makes total sense only Stemleaf's death is getting mentioned since it's Graystripe's SE and Stemleaf was his grandson
We have a Daisy novella coming up that will likely touch on her feelings about Rosepetal and Berrynose, I'm sure Oh yeah, that does make sense! I forgot about Daisy getting a novella.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jul 21, 2020 20:13:37 GMT -5
Jayfeather and Alderheart hiding in the shadows of the medicine den while TC falls apart at the seams: (Every 5 minutes I think of a new meme I love these threads)I feel bad for Graystripe tho
He's looking at them like 'plz help' and then Jayfeather snarks
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 20:21:07 GMT -5
Jayfeather and Alderheart hiding in the shadows of the medicine den while TC falls apart at the seams: (Every 5 minutes I think of a new meme I love these threads)I feel bad for Graystripe tho
He's looking at them like 'plz help' and then Jayfeather snarks He's being smart, he knows that if he tries to intervene Thornclaw will rip into him hard because he's also Firekin with a high rank lmao I would pay to see a Jay/Thorn argument in full
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jul 21, 2020 20:21:57 GMT -5
I feel bad for Graystripe tho
He's looking at them like 'plz help' and then Jayfeather snarks He's being smart, he knows that if he tries to intervene Thornclaw will rip into him hard because he's also Firekin with a high rank lmao I would pay to see a Jay/Thorn argument in full I feel like they'd just snark at each other in circles while Graystripe is off to the side having an existential crisis about his place in the clan
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Post by Numquam on Jul 21, 2020 21:24:44 GMT -5
I find it a little weird for then-Thunderclan to be slandering Firestar and Sandstorm. Maybe I'm misremembering but I thought Fireheart/star had proved himself countless times that he's a loyal warrior and that Thunderclan had learned to stop doubting him for his kittypet roots (even Dustpelt and Longtail, two of Firepaw/Fireheart's biggest bullies in the beginning of first arc). Seeing Cloudtail join in on it felt extra weird.
It was also a little weird seeing Ashfur being so harsh since the beginning. Again, maybe I'm misremembering but I thought we didn't see Ashfur being a jerk until the Squirrelflight/Brambleclaw drama? I always assumed he had respect for his leader at least before that drama.
It's a really nice nod seeing Greystripe remember who some of these cats are related to lol
The thought of him having a conversation with an imaginary Millie is heartbreaking :c
It was nice to see the Erins acknowledge how the cats in power these days are all Firestar's kin. I wonder if this means there'll be any changes in the future for Thunderclan leadership, and the Code in general. I'm not sure who would be a good leader though that isn't related to Firestar currently. I wish non-Firestar-kin would have bigger roles in general and do more.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jul 21, 2020 21:27:59 GMT -5
I find it a little weird for then-Thunderclan to be slandering Firestar and Sandstorm. Maybe I'm misremembering but I thought Fireheart/star had proved himself countless times that he's a loyal warrior and that Thunderclan had learned to stop doubting him for his kittypet roots (even Dustpelt and Longtail, two of Firepaw/Fireheart's biggest bullies in the beginning of first arc). Seeing Cloudtail join in on it felt extra weird.
It was also a little weird seeing Ashfur being so harsh since the beginning. Again, maybe I'm misremembering but I thought we didn't see Ashfur being a jerk until the Squirrelflight/Brambleclaw drama? I always assumed he had respect for his leader at least before that drama.
It's a really nice nod seeing Greystripe remember who some of these cats are related to lol
The thought of him having a conversation with an imaginary Millie is heartbreaking :c
It was nice to see the Erins acknowledge how the cats in power these days are all Firestar's kin. I wonder if this means there'll be any changes in the future for Thunderclan leadership, and the Code in general. I'm not sure who would be a good leader though that isn't related to Firestar currently. I wish non-Firestar-kin would have bigger roles in general and do more. Yeah. I don't think the Firekin issue can be fixed. At LEAST 75% of the clan is related to Firestar and almost every developed character is related to him.
If they hadn't killed Stemleaf, he could have been a good option for leader...but Spotfur survived instead (who is FINE, but we have so many LionCinder kits)
And then they killed off Rosepetal, who was an experienced warrior. Berrynose is gone.
The only non-Firekin have almost no development/are too old
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Post by soulheart on Jul 21, 2020 22:35:35 GMT -5
So, I like that they’re actually referencing/sort of addressing the nepotism issue going on in Thunderclan, but it kind of feels pointless/fan service because we know this book is going to eventually tell us Firestar made the correct choices yadayada it wasn’t intentional blahblahblah. There is also (as always) the issue of StarClan, and yet again I feel this book is going to continuously drive in the narrative that you need religion in order to be morally correct and it’s wrong to think otherwise. Again, I like that they’re at least acknowledging the problems with starclan, but again it feels contrived because ultimately we know the “lesson” or conclusion the characters will inevitably come to is to continue to have faith in the flawed religious structure because no one has any valid form of identity outside of religion. It’s also kind of disappointing that essentially the plot line of a divided clan over leadership being torn apart from avos is essentially being copy pasted here with the endless arguments but with thunderclan. I’m used to the erins changing certain characters years later as they see fit, but a recycled plot doesn’t sit right with me here. I’m hoping we’ll be getting back to the supernatural stuff with the ghosts and possession stuff later though, because for me personally, that was the most interesting part of tbc.
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Jul 21, 2020 22:37:59 GMT -5
I wish some would would yell out,”Knock off the disrespect before we end up like Shadowclan.”
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 22, 2020 0:00:43 GMT -5
after time to digest the excerpt, a few additional thoughts:
i expect that the neopotism line may very well be foreshadowing. maybe both bramblestar and squirrelflight will die (in some bad "i cant live without you" ending) so lionblaze becomes leader, and he'll be super conscious of not picking a close relation because of the argument with thornclaw. otherwise, this comment seems unncessary unless it comes back to haunt in some manner.
the flashback thunderclan cats go from "firestar probably abandoned us to be a kittypet again" in one moment to "firestar would teach windclan a lesson because he's a great leader!" the next. where's the consistency? do they have faith in firestar or not? i'm getting mixed messages
on top of that, what exactly do they think firestar would do differently than graystripe there? they know he's not the type to suddenly launch an attack over one (possibly) stolen rabbit. the only other thing besides that that you can do is watch the border carefully in case it happens again.
this is what i mean when i say the drama feels contrived. the characters are dumbed down/made to say stupid stuff in order to create conflict. which is fine on occasion, or if just one character did it, because people think/do stupid stuff sometimes. but when the majority of conflict is based on every cat but the protag being infuriatingly dumb, it's super frustrating as the reader. they feel like superficial characters rather than actual personalities with reasonable critical thinking. and this has been happening for like two arcs now.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jul 22, 2020 0:28:46 GMT -5
Rowanstar is once again mentioned as a molly in the allegiances for some reason.
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Post by wftl1980 on Jul 22, 2020 2:44:52 GMT -5
This one’s going to need at least one box of tissues. Poor Graystripe.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 22, 2020 9:46:15 GMT -5
Rowanstar is once again mentioned as a molly in the allegiances for some reason. my guess is that they copy/pasted the allegiances from FQ
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Post by Neekwanakwaki (Cloud) on Jul 22, 2020 11:31:55 GMT -5
*Hurt by Johnny Cash intensifies*
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Post by Cloverƒall on Jul 22, 2020 12:40:05 GMT -5
Honestly, it makes sense for Ashfur to be a jerk before. It's gonna take a lot more than a breakup to turn you insane.
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Post by *Faith* on Jul 22, 2020 13:18:49 GMT -5
Rowanstar is once again mentioned as a molly in the allegiances for some reason. my guess is that they copy/pasted the allegiances from FQ Actually, Rowanclaw wasn't even in the FQ allegiances. Same with Cedarheart and Tallpoppy.
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Post by *Faith* on Jul 22, 2020 13:20:15 GMT -5
Speaking of allegiances, One-eye isn't listed yet she still makes an appearance in chapter 3.
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Post by *Faith* on Jul 22, 2020 13:20:45 GMT -5
I really wonder what the manga will be.
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Post by Jaysnow on Jul 22, 2020 13:22:30 GMT -5
I really wonder what the manga will be. I wouldn't mind a story that is about when Graystripe returns to ThunderClan and he finds out Brambleclaw is now the deputy. Since the mangas don't seem to be exclusively in the present anymore.
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Post by Spinestar on Jul 22, 2020 13:23:24 GMT -5
I really wonder what the manga will be. It’s gonna be him reuniting w his family in StarClan
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