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Post by *Faith* on Jul 21, 2020 13:54:45 GMT -5
Thornclaw... wanted to be deputy? Yeah, no. He was never a cat on my list. Would've been hilarious if this was the reason he joined the DF, though. Still. He could be a little nicer about it. To Thornclaw Squirrelflight is still their deputy, not Lionblaze. And that they no longer have a leader to guide them.
Thornclaw is holding Squirrelflight responsible for what the impostor did? Seriously? This reminds me of ShC holding Tawnypelt responsible for what happened despite it not even being her fault.
Wow, Flipclaw. In the article about DK, it was stated that some cats were starting to question what it means to be a Clan cat verses a loner, rogue or kittypet. Seems like Flipclaw might have started this. Snaptooth, Flywhisker and Thornclaw want to leave with Flipclaw. Speaking of which, it seems like they are hinting at Flipclaw and Flywhisker possibly being mates. Lionblaze is looking at his kits with a pleading look in his eyes, while Bristlefrost looks horrified at the thought of her brother leaving. And Blossomfall looking at her mate with a disbelieving stare. Though Thornclaw did say he would return to say goodbye if he does decide to permanently leave.
And now Graystripe is also leaving. I understand why Squirrel feels betrayed because Gray told her that she can count on him to support her. But not bothering to come back if he doesn't return in a moon? Yeah, I'm pretty sure Graystripe is going to die.
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Post by *Faith* on Jul 21, 2020 13:56:02 GMT -5
Poor Squirrelflight. The younger cats are all refusing to listen to her. Thornclaw is just narrowing his eyes. Wasn't Squirrelflight recommended TC leader until they get Bramblestar back? Sheesh, folks. You could at least listed to her. Thornclaw is even saying that Squirrel isn't their leader because Bramble was chosen by StC and Squirrel was in exile. But what do you expect? Berrynose is dead and Bristlefrost doesn't even want the position.
So... Graystripe never wanted to be leader because of what happened when Fire and Sand were away in FQ. Yet, he stayed deputy because of a promise he made to his best friend.
Well, that scene with Graystripe talking to Millie was heartbreaking. :c
Dustpelt and Brackenfur being best friends. Considering how upset Brackenfur was over Dustpelt`s death in BrS, this doesn`t surprise me.
Plumstone and Thriftear are so... *starts laughing hysterically* All this over a mouse.
So Plumstone is defending Squirrelflight, but Thriftear doesn't like her as leader.
Plumstone, is that any way to talk to your grandfather? The fight between Plumstone and Thriftear reminded me of the fight between Whorlpelt and Strikestone in Tawnypelt's Clan XD but their fight was over Whorlpelt putting a thorn in Strikestone's nest. Other scenes reminded me of Tawnypelt's Clan too, like everyone disrespecting Squirrelflight, like everyone disrespected Tawnypelt. I thought that scene was in Lost Stars? Didn't Dovewing be the one to break it up?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 14:01:56 GMT -5
The fight between Plumstone and Thriftear reminded me of the fight between Whorlpelt and Strikestone in Tawnypelt's Clan XD but their fight was over Whorlpelt putting a thorn in Strikestone's nest. Other scenes reminded me of Tawnypelt's Clan too, like everyone disrespecting Squirrelflight, like everyone disrespected Tawnypelt. I thought that scene was in Lost Stars? Didn't Dovewing be the one to break it up? Oh, it might have been, I don't remember, I just remember them fighting, because Whorlpelt put a thorn in Strikestone's nest. I think it was in Lost Stars now that I think of it.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jul 21, 2020 14:02:26 GMT -5
The fact they DIDN'T forget about Millie and finally gave us a explanation how she died made me happy, she's not left in the dust over Silverstream after all it seems (Instead it's clear more than ever he loves them BOTH a lot and equally). But still... ouch, imagine watching your wife die from basically her old age making her weaker and sicker and then realizing and accepting the fact you will, in fact outlive her rather than die with her... that cut me deep man...
I wonder if they saved exposing how she died specifically for the SE so that it feels more personal instead of a random footnote from an outside PoV. If that's the case, it was a clever idea to do so and it did it's job of hurting, especially that IMAGINARY CONVERSATION HE HAD WITH HER LIKE... OUCH???
If they keep it up for the rest of the SE, it might be the saddest. On the sorta bright side, it seems my fears are now over.
Not fond of the Squirrelflight slander though. For fricks sake guys you just want her to have a hard time every book, it's getting old and frustrating at this point. Stop swinging your hate B*ner at Squirrelflight and treating her like the next Rowanstar. Just kill her already if you're gonna shit on her so much. Also Thunderclan's looking a lot like AVoS Shadowclan rn. I honestly can't wait for Graystripe to leave if it'll mean getting away from Thunderclan's bullshit. Also why the F are they suddenly badmouthing Firestar, claiming he gone back to being a kittypet??? I thought he long since proved himself to them??????
Also uh... Windclan border??? This IS Forest territory in the THEN section right? There IS NO WINDCLAN BORDER. FOURTREES is BETWEEN the two clans!
Anyways after that Existential Crisis and the whole "You're gone if you're not back by a moon" thing Graystripe is definitely dying.
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Post by vectoring34 on Jul 21, 2020 14:12:37 GMT -5
Rowanstar watching Squirrelflight deal with ungrateful clanmates
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 14:13:50 GMT -5
vectoring34What movie is this from?
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Post by *Faith* on Jul 21, 2020 14:13:58 GMT -5
Yes, the first in-universe confirmation that Willowpelt is Graystripe's mother. Though, Whitestorm isn't his father which is a shame. Actually, it's noted that it feels like the Clan might have forgotten that Willowpelt was also his mother.
One-eye is still alive. I wonder if we'll see how she died. She was already gone by the time TNP started.
So Dustpelt thinks Firestar left to become a kittypet again, but Ferncloud doesn't want to believe it. Also, baby Shrewkit and Spiderkit!
Cloudtail, don't talk about your uncle like that! And Ashfur is getting me all riled up.
So, they want Graystripe to pick a deputy. Also, Ashfur wants Dustpelt to be named. Apparently there are cats who believe that he should've been named deputy instead of Graystripe. Not surprising that some cats aren't happy with Graystripe being made deputy because of what happened with RC. But in a way, this was actually Whitestorm's idea as he was dying.
See, Brambleclaw is already a warrior. So why is he an apprentice in the allegiances?
Yikes! Now there is a cat yowling with fear and anguish. The preview just had to end there?!
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Post by vectoring34 on Jul 21, 2020 14:17:37 GMT -5
The Ballad of Buster Scruggs
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 14:22:14 GMT -5
The Ballad of Buster Scruggs Thanks!
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Post by ~Ƈαммι-`ღ´- on Jul 21, 2020 14:25:40 GMT -5
Ashfur dropped his pigeon on the pile and turned to Graystripe with a sneer. “At least we have two fewer mouths to feed. I hope Firestar and Sandstorm are enjoying their kittypet treats.”
“Once a kittypet, always a kittypet,” Ashfur muttered. “If he were on an important mission, he wouldn’t have had to hide it from the rest of the Clan.”
I’m so peeved at these lines. I mean, what the heck?? It’s out of character for Ashfur to be disrespecting Firestar like that.
Watch, this entire book will be lamenting on how Ashfur was always a jerk, that it’s no wonder he turned evil, completely retconning his previous character development as a sweet tom before ..... because obviously villains in Warriors can’t be complex. xP Yeaaa, this part really ticked me off x.x
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Post by Owl on Jul 21, 2020 14:37:32 GMT -5
Ashfur dropped his pigeon on the pile and turned to Graystripe with a sneer. “At least we have two fewer mouths to feed. I hope Firestar and Sandstorm are enjoying their kittypet treats.”
“Once a kittypet, always a kittypet,” Ashfur muttered. “If he were on an important mission, he wouldn’t have had to hide it from the rest of the Clan.”
I’m so peeved at these lines. I mean, what the heck?? It’s out of character for Ashfur to be disrespecting Firestar like that.
Watch, this entire book will be lamenting on how Ashfur was always a jerk, that it’s no wonder he turned evil, completely retconning his previous character development as a sweet tom before ..... because obviously villains in Warriors can’t be complex. xP yeah, this really doesn't make much sense to me. for one thing, firestar was already a pretty well established warrior of thunderclan by the time ashfur was old enough to form proper memories and opinions. ashfur witnessed firestar (as deputy!) helping to flush out the dogs that caused his mother's death. i can't see ashfur using the kittypet insult towards firestar.
and now that i'm reading all of this, damn, thunderclan got away with a ton of mockery towards their leader. they were giving avos shadowclan a run for their money. i can't see a riverclan, skyclan, or windclan warrior getting away with badmouthing their leader like this without getting a lot of weird stares from their clanmates.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 14:38:16 GMT -5
I’m calling it right now, Gremlin is Moonlight’s mother. They released an article about the Clans and The Sisters at the same time as the excerpt. The article talks a lot about the similarities / differences between The Sisters and the Clans, and it even says at the end “Perhaps, through him (Tree) the more merciful ideas of both groups can be brought together to change the Clans for the better.” To me this sounds like we’ll 100% see the Sisters again in this book, and maybe Tree will go with Graystripe. I think Moonlight is Gremlin’s kit because you don’t just put a character in a prologue like that and say she’s pregnant for no reason, especially one we’ve never seen before. It would be really interesting if this was true, especially because the book goes back and forth between past and present, and since BloodClan was shown again it would be really cool if we saw the Sisters again and found out Moonlight is a BloodClan descendant.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 14:44:21 GMT -5
Something else. They keep mentioning Stemleaf's death, and everyone's reactions to it, so I'm a little surprised that no one mentioned Berrynose's and Rosepetal's, and the reactions of the cats close to them. Like Molewhisker, he was Berrynose's son and Rosepetal's apprentice.
I'm thinking that Nectarsong's mate might be Dewspring, since he seems to be pretty important in SkyClan right now, or Kitescratch. Though, it could be Quailfeather, but I doubt it, he's never gotten a line that I can remember.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 21, 2020 14:50:38 GMT -5
I’m calling it right now, Gremlin is Moonlight’s mother. They released an article about the Clans and The Sisters at the same time as the excerpt. The article talks a lot about the similarities / differences between The Sisters and the Clans, and it even says at the end “Perhaps, through him (Tree) the more merciful ideas of both groups can be brought together to change the Clans for the better.” To me this sounds like we’ll 100% see the Sisters again in this book, and maybe Tree will go with Graystripe. I think Moonlight is Gremlin’s kit because you don’t just put a character in a prologue like that and say she’s pregnant for no reason, especially one we’ve never seen before. It would be really interesting if this was true, especially because the book goes back and forth between past and present, and since BloodClan was shown again it would be really cool if we saw the Sisters again and found out Moonlight is a BloodClan descendant. from what ive read it sounds like the sisters had been an established traditions for a few generations at least, so that theory would work better if moonlight was her granddaughter or something
if that is confirmed, that would mean that Bellaleaf, Wrenpaw, Needleclaw, and Rootspring are related
EDIT: if Snake is the father, anyways
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Post by *Faith* on Jul 21, 2020 14:53:11 GMT -5
@terra , Gremlin could be Moonlight's mother. I was thinking that she was related to Ivytail of ShC just because they have the exact same pelt colour. Though Ivytail wasn't introduced as an apprentice until The Sight. I really do hope we meet her kits, because I actually really like Gremlin from what little we've seen of her so far.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 14:56:47 GMT -5
I really like her too, I just like the idea that Moonlight could be related to her, maybe not her daughter but maybe grand-daughter . But I think we’ll 100% see Gremlin again in the “then” chapters, or maybe even as a ghost in the present
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Post by Cloverƒall on Jul 21, 2020 14:58:47 GMT -5
Graystripe, poor guy. Outlived both his wives.
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Post by Fireleap on Jul 21, 2020 14:59:58 GMT -5
I haven't looked through the thread so somethings may have already been mentioned My thoughts: 1.) Did they just forget about Woodpaw? 2.) I wonder who Nectarsong's mate is. I hope it's Quailfeather or Kitescratch, but it'd be cool if Harrybrook or Macgyver had kits. 3.) I don't even need to know anything about her, Gremlin is my new favorite cat. 4.) Seeing Snake again is interesting, that means we'll likely see Ice again and maybe Ravenpaw/Barley/Violet too. I'm still really hoping we'll see Princess, or at least Smudge and Hattie. 5.) Gremlin's kits are probably either Bone's or Ice's. 6.) Fury seems intimidating. I think she could make a really good villain. 7.) Gremlin's probably going to help out ThunderClan. 8.) Finally, we get confirmation on what happened to Millie. It's also nice to see him grieve Stemleaf. 9.) Frostfur and Ravenpaw being acknowledged as siblings? I'm surprised. 10.) Squirrelf light. First error I've caught, maybe it'll be fixed when it's printed. 11.) Thornclaw, Thriftear, and Plumstone have a point, even if it was put rudely. The Clans seem caught up in the past, and I'm glad the nepotism is being noticed in ThunderClan. 12.) “What’s the point of ancestors who only turn up when it suits them?” 13.) “If our ancestors have abandoned us,” Flipclaw was saying now, “why bother following traditions they invented? We don’t even live in the forests they were born in. We can make up our own codes to suit our new life beside the lake.” Lilyheart stared at him with wide eyes. “Do you really think the warrior code should change?” Flipclaw shrugged. “I don’t know what I think. But isn’t StarClan’s absence a perfect opportunity to work out what we believe?” I really hope TBC continues with this. It's time for a change in Warriors. 14.) Snaptooth and Flipclaw are growing on me. 15.) Thunder Clan. Second error. 16.) So they do remember that Graystripe knew about SkyClan before AVoS. I might be wrong, but I don't think they ever mentioned it in AVoS which always irked me. 17.) Ashfur and Mousefur have a point about Graystripe not being the best fit for deputy. I don't think Dustpelt would've been a good choice though. 18.) I understand where ThunderClan is coming from when they think that Firestar's gone back to being a kittypet but it still annoys me to read about. 19.) I hope Graystripe will interact with his half-siblings.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 21, 2020 15:03:33 GMT -5
Given the timing, I wonder if the fox story will at least be referenced, or even seeing Graystripe's talk with Feathertail from his PoV.
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Post by sylveon on Jul 21, 2020 15:04:11 GMT -5
Man, thunderclan is really giving me ShadowClan avos vibes. This book has me sad so far, I relate to Graystripe so much. This ISNT the same clan it was back then, and I'm glad the series is acknowledging it. ThunderClan has gone to hell.
Also, them arguing over the leadership bloodline is just echoing fandom discourse, big oof
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Post by Cloverƒall on Jul 21, 2020 15:05:30 GMT -5
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Post by ~Ƈαммι-`ღ´- on Jul 21, 2020 15:12:18 GMT -5
My thoughts while reading: • How do cats know what a Gremlin is? I’m wondering if she’s brachycephalic like a Persian or exotic shorthair, otherwise that’s a pretty rude name for a cat who isn’t hairless o.o’ • Very interesting that we’re seeing BloodClan again! • Anyone else already worried for Gremlin and her babies? • I’ve never been a fan of Millie because she’s practically a Silverstream look-alike, but Graystripe imagining how she’d be responding to all that’s going on was pretty bittersweet ;u; • Wait, Graystripe thinks about how the elders don’t need to do any warrior work but then he doesn’t bat an eye when Brackenfur turns up and says he went to hunt? XD • Geez... guess Plumstone’s cool-sounding name has turned her into a diva. • K, Thornclaw is being very rude but I’d still like to thank him dearly for calling out the nepotism! Sheesh tho, I’m getting flashbacks to my old wolf RP... -.-• “[...]as if a deliberate choice had been made to exclude other cats.” Yep, a choice by the editors. • “A Clan can’t live without its ancestors’ guidance . . .” This thinking is a major reason I got tired of reading Warriors. Spirits forcing destinies and frequently meddling in the physical world infuriates me. • ouo FlipXFly anyone? • Oof... so those ‘wanderers’ have one moon to decide. Giving Graystripe one moon to complete his journey. I feel like this really ups his chance of dying, especially if he visits the Tribe and Stormfur’s fam before heading to the old forest and Moonstone. • Aww, Cinderpelt <3 • Stop demonizing pre!PO3 Ashfur, stop demonizing pre!PO3 Ashfur, frickiNG STOP IT.• Hrm. If it weren’t for the WindClan scent in that rabbit fur, my first guess would be some trick from BloodClan... Are the editors demonizing Mudclaw in this book too? • Aw shoot who’s dying? O.o’
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Post by *Faith* on Jul 21, 2020 15:19:37 GMT -5
My thoughts while reading: • How do cats know what a Gremlin is? I’m wondering if she’s brachycephalic like a Persian or exotic shorthair, otherwise that’s a pretty rude name for a cat who isn’t hairless o.o’
• Very interesting that we’re seeing BloodClan again!
• Anyone else already worried for Gremlin and her babies?
Maybe she was born a kittypet and that was the name her Twolegs gave her, after the movie? Idk. I just want to see more of her. And yes, I am worried about her and her kits. I hope they'll be alright.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 15:24:28 GMT -5
~Ƈαммι-`ღ´-Oh gosh, I hope they're not demonizing Mudclaw even more than they already have. Watch them be like, "Oh, you thought Onestar was bad? Mudclaw was way worse! He steals prey, kits, and has had twenty-seven half-clan relationships!" I think it'd be cool if they did the opposite, and painted him in a better light, while still keeping his fierce and protective of WindClan personality. As for Ashfur, dang, they're laying it on thick.
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Post by fireflylanes on Jul 21, 2020 15:31:12 GMT -5
pov: ur son just died, ur daughters being a diva, ur husband is acting like an idiot, ur friend just died, and now ur father and husband are leaving you
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Post by mimikyutie on Jul 21, 2020 15:31:39 GMT -5
My thoughts while reading: • How do cats know what a Gremlin is? I’m wondering if she’s brachycephalic like a Persian or exotic shorthair, otherwise that’s a pretty rude name for a cat who isn’t hairless o.o’
• Very interesting that we’re seeing BloodClan again!
• Anyone else already worried for Gremlin and her babies?
Maybe she was born a kittypet and that was the name her Twolegs gave her, after the movie? Idk. I just want to see more of her. And yes, I am worried about her and her kits. I hope they'll be alright. Isn't the usual thing to name a pet after that movie Gizmo though?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 16:24:50 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I'm still shook over Thornclaw's rant. It's a stretch ik, but maybe it's foreshadowing that someone who's not a Firestar descendant will get a position of power?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 21, 2020 16:39:17 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I'm still shook over Thornclaw's rant. It's a stretch ik, but maybe it's foreshadowing that someone who's not a Firestar descendant will get a position of power? Maybe. Let's see, if that's the case, then here are the options of cats who aren't related to Firestar, either by blood or through other means, and have trained an apprentice.
Thornclaw Mousewhisker Poppyfrost Bumblestripe (unless you count his relationship with Dovewing) Blossomfall Molewhisker Cherryfall Eaglewing Twigbranch (unless you count her as Alderheart's foster daughter) Finleap
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Post by vectoring34 on Jul 21, 2020 16:48:13 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I'm still shook over Thornclaw's rant. It's a stretch ik, but maybe it's foreshadowing that someone who's not a Firestar descendant will get a position of power? Maybe. Let's see, if that's the case, then here are the options of cats who aren't related to Firestar, either by blood or through other means, and have trained an apprentice.
Thornclaw Mousewhisker Poppyfrost Bumblestripe (unless you count his relationship with Dovewing) Blossomfall Molewhisker Cherryfall Eaglewing Twigbranch (unless you count her as Alderheart's foster daughter) Finleap That's a pretty weak batch of candidates. Of the lot, only Molewhisker and Cherryfall have any argument of becoming leader, and it's not exactly a very good one in their support either.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 16:52:23 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I'm still shook over Thornclaw's rant. It's a stretch ik, but maybe it's foreshadowing that someone who's not a Firestar descendant will get a position of power? Maybe. Let's see, if that's the case, then here are the options of cats who aren't related to Firestar, either by blood or through other means, and have trained an apprentice.
Thornclaw Mousewhisker Poppyfrost Bumblestripe (unless you count his relationship with Dovewing) Blossomfall Molewhisker Cherryfall Eaglewing Twigbranch (unless you count her as Alderheart's foster daughter) Finleap Oh god, imagine Finleap becoming leader, Mr. I'll Ditch My Clan and Family For a She-Cat I Knew For a Few Moons. XD
I'd hardly be surprised though.
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